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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby AshishA » 08 Aug 2020 04:52

Suraj ji, the left intelligentsia is trying it's level best to influence the young gen. Netflix, Amazon Prime and co are now their latest attempts to influence the young gen. But the biggest asset they have is their hold on Universities.

For example, a friend was a hardcore Modi supporter in school. But when he went to IIM Indore on a integrated course, he changed. And now he is one of those Anti CAA -liberal out to defeat non-existent fascism. So by talking to him I could realise the profs and the students there had a huge impact on him. Same is the case with some of my friends in law. We absolutely need to purge the commie presence in universities to free the young minds from the shackles put by commie-islamist-congi nexus. Along with that we must change the NCERT books that are still brainwashing children.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 08 Aug 2020 05:07

AshishAcharya wrote:...

Thank you KLN Murthy ji for those kind and encouraging words which I think I don't deserve.
...


You do know, I am sure, that the essence of dharma is that no one is the arbiter of what they "deserve." Only thing that counts in dharma is duty.

Just teasing you, a little.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sudarshan » 08 Aug 2020 07:18

AshishAcharya and all others, this is a fascinating discussion, but in the wrong thread. I've taken the liberty of copying the posts to the Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, etc. thread.

Please continue there:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6525&start=2684

P.S.: I think that might be the most that my post count has jumped in a day :P.

Oh, meant to ask: who is Nita, and who is Nita's husband?

EDIT: Thanks Ambar ji.
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 08 Aug 2020 07:36

Nita is Nita Ambani and her husband is Mukesh Ambani.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 10:28

https://twitter.com/KanchanGupta/status ... 0491473920
72% say PM @narendramodi has handled the #Covid19 economic crisis well -- 24% say outstanding; 48 per cent say good.

43% say PM Modi has handled economy better than 'economist' PM Manmohan Singh. 45% say it's same.

Anchor says he is "bewildered", looks shattered. #India
https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/1 ... 5578604544
Who handled the economy better - PM Narendra Modi or Manmohan Singh? This is what #MOTN2020 survey shows. @ShamikaRavi
, Sr Fellow of Brookings Institute, decodes the findings.
#MOTN2020 LIVE at http://bit.ly/IT_LiveTV
(@RahulKanwal & @sardesairajdeep)

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 10:33

As expected, the "intrusion" on the LAC is not going to hit Modi at home.

https://twitter.com/KanchanGupta/status ... 1249568768
With a national approval rating of 78% Prime Minister @narendramodi
breaches the record of Prime Minister Narendra Modi. #India

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby schinnas » 08 Aug 2020 12:01

Post August 5, Modiji's approval ratings would be 80%. Even those who dislike him would grudgingly admit in private that they would prefer Modi to lead the country during this time of pandemic and border tension than clowns like Rahul.

Only those totally consumed with hatred are against Modi during this time. Even the clueless youth who earlier were against CAA now see why it was the right thing to do.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 12:22

https://twitter.com/KanchanGupta/status ... 8366603266
69% approve PM @narendramodi handling of #China aggression.
90% support boycott of Chinese goods.
67% willing to pay more for 'Made in India' goods.
91% support banning Chinese apps.

Mood of the Nation #India

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 12:38

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/KanchanGupta/status/1291774690491473920
72% say PM @narendramodi has handled the #Covid19 economic crisis well -- 24% say outstanding; 48 per cent say good.

43% say PM Modi has handled economy better than 'economist' PM Manmohan Singh. 45% say it's same.

Anchor says he is "bewildered", looks shattered. #India
https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/1 ... 5578604544
Btw, the question on handling of economy when pitted against the 'economist' PM Manmohan Singh is the cruel-est blow.

45% say it's same, therefore out of the remaining 55%, 43% rate Modi's handling better as compared to 12% who back Mammohan Singh! That's quite a blow to Mammohan Singh and to our illiberal liberandus! Also shows why Mammohan card is not working anymore.

Btw, this is the impact of Modi's schemes for the bottom of the pyramid mangos who have usually left to fend for themselves. Modi was smart to capture and consolidate their imagination. I also heard some bitching offline about the free basic ration distribution for about 800 million people in these COVID time but it was humanly the right thing to do and it also comes with political dividends.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 12:52

Our intellectuals still are unable to see what is staring them in the face ... Modi has delivered enough on the ground to have the confidence of the masses but especially amongst the poorest of the poor. Who is closer to the ground realities than them?

https://twitter.com/iindrojit/status/12 ... 5543820288
Indrajit Kolkata | ইন্দ্রজিৎ @iindrojit

Clearly there is a huge disconnect between people's perception about Modi and the reality on the ground.

#IndiaToday #MOTN2020

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby amar_p » 08 Aug 2020 13:24

People perceive the Modi Govt at the Centre to be, in general :
- Scams & scandals free
- Low on nepotism and influence peddling
- Having some sense of responsibility and accountability
- Greater degree of fairness than previous Govts.
- and Terrorist attack/threat free

Plus the Covid crisis has been thrust upon us, and the Govt is doing what it can to deal with it.

After decades of having Govt's that were quite the opposite on the above, aam aadmi and aurat are willing to indulge the Govt on its uneven efficiency and the administrative machinery's ingrained corruption to some degree. Thats what these surveys are reflecting what the leftie commentators do not want to admit.

4 years from now people's expectations will (and should) evolve, people will expect all the above to endure PLUS increased efficiency and transparency PLUS improvement on many more HDI indicators like education, healthcare, environment, justice system, policing, urban & rural planning, culture and heritage...etc.

Satisfying a democratic people's expectations is like high jumping, the bar gets higher and higher. Right now, India's people recognise this Govt is starting to jump without toppling the bar, and they are supportive.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby banrjeer » 08 Aug 2020 13:41

perhaps not the right thread but its inspirational:
https://twitter.com/Beebagr_Baluch/stat ... 90787?s=20

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby AshishA » 08 Aug 2020 14:03

Isn't BJP under Modi, the only party which actually takes its election manifesto seriously? For others, it's thrown in the dustbin as soon as the election gets over irrespective of the results of the election.

So when people will vote in 2024, they will keep in mind that BJP is the only party that gets work done. Others don't. Hence, if BJP will want absolute majority in 2024, it will get it.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 15:39

pankajs wrote:Btw, this is the impact of Modi's schemes for the bottom of the pyramid mangos who have usually left to fend for themselves. Modi was smart to capture and consolidate their imagination. I also heard some bitching offline about the free basic ration distribution for about 800 million people in these COVID time but it was humanly the right thing to do and it also comes with political dividends.
pankajs wrote:Our intellectuals still are unable to see what is staring them in the face ... Modi has delivered enough on the ground to have the confidence of the masses but especially amongst the poorest of the poor. Who is closer to the ground realities than them?

My understanding is borne out by analysis of the India Today poll data.
https://twitter.com/LogicalHindu_/statu ... 0377363457
Interesting analysis from the mood of the nation poll . @narendramodi and @BJP4India is now most popular amongst the subalterns castes where English is not their first language.

It’s an tectonic shift in the image of BJP which was referred as Brahmin / Baniya Party .
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 08 Aug 2020 16:04

Essentially crowd that hasn't been brainwashed and touched by EJ education centers. However, that's still not a big window. May be two more elections. Number of new govt schools aren't there to compete with EJ schools popping up everywhere. NEP is just out to tackle some of this but only time will tell. More young kids are presently going through this brainwashing programs than before and with enemy's adjustments dialled in over last six years. And sending of kids to this brainwashing schools is across all castes that is able to put together money. The collective wealth is going to enemies through chinese products, EJ education centers, entertainment industry, etc. Very little is reaching to dharmic forces. Heck, if one wanted to give money to dharmic forces, it's a tough task to even find and identify them across the spectrum from animal protection to education to Ayurveda to environment protection to legal protection.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 16:10

Not really ...

While the EJ education remains the biggest risk to Indic civilization, it is not the determining factor so far even amongst the EJ educated mangos as is borne out by the fact that Modi has the trust of the majority urban educated masses too.

While EJ education system remains potent it can be countered. However, is better to invest money/effort to build an Indic education system than spend time/effort/money in counter. Counters are very expensive.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 16:17

Also, something just occurred to me revisiting snippet on the data posted previously ..

Modi's support amongst the SC/ST remains quite strong leading me to believe that India still is at a stage that large scale alienation has not happened yet except in some pockets.

This should NOT be a reason for complacency BUT to redouble our efforts to ring-fence the most venerable .. which Modi has done knowing-ly or un-knowing-ly by pushing to take care of basic needs at the bottom of the pyramid.

The above is one reason why I have always supported Modi's effort to expand the delivered of the basics to the bottom of the pyramid including the latest scheme to deliver basic food to ~800 million till November. Our grain stores are anyway overflowing, money already spent, the food rotting and a bumper crop in the offering.
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 08 Aug 2020 16:20

What I'm referring to is generation coming out to vote in next 8 years. EJ schools have expanded in last six years and are still constantly expanding. Number of kids per household are down and anyone with little bit of money has managed to put their kids into English medium schools. If I were to go by English medium as a metric from that highlighted post then I'm concerned. One simply can't tell me that collecting vacuuming of money into hands of enemies isn't a concern.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 08 Aug 2020 16:56

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/KanchanGupta/status/1291782578366603266
69% approve PM @narendramodi handling of #China aggression.
90% support boycott of Chinese goods.
67% willing to pay more for 'Made in India' goods.
91% support banning Chinese apps.

Mood of the Nation #India


this will truly upset the hans. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 08 Aug 2020 17:03

Modi is definitely earning brownie points with handling of LAC and LoC. Now just need to have more and more open debates about handling of borders in the past compared to today. The debate that must have been going on in each military household and spilling over to nearby non military households.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Prem Kumar » 08 Aug 2020 18:02

Manmohan's handling of the economy was a disaster, notwithstanding the mythical status built around his credentials. That Modi is viewed as only a few percentage points better than him is rather lukewarm. But I'd tend to agree with that general sentiment. The FMs have been serial lukewarm types.

Other than that, Modi's approval ratings are great, as they should be

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 08 Aug 2020 18:16

It probably matters in which manner the question was asked about economy. Common man may interpret economy to be something that he doesn't understand and give answer based on TV reports. If asked in terms of an indicator associated to him, then answer could be different.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby schinnas » 08 Aug 2020 18:33

Post August 5, Modiji's approval ratings would be 80%. Even those who dislike him would grudgingly admit in private that they would prefer Modi to lead the country during this time of pandemic and border tension than clowns like Rahul.

Only those totally consumed with hatred are against Modi during this time. Even the clueless youth who earlier were against CAA now see why it was the right thing to do.

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Postby KL Dubey » 08 Aug 2020 18:54

Prem Kumar wrote:Manmohan's handling of the economy was a disaster, notwithstanding the mythical status built around his credentials. That Modi is viewed as only a few percentage points better than him is rather lukewarm. But I'd tend to agree with that general sentiment. The FMs have been serial lukewarm types.

Other than that, Modi's approval ratings are great, as they should be


This "comparison" with MMS is probably thrown in by India Today as a fig leaf. In the next election no muthafawka is going to reach the voting booth with Modi-MMS comparison in mind. The actual statistic (also posted by "pankajs") of Modi's handling of economy is 24% outstanding and 48% good, that's a 72% approval rating and that too in Covid times.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 08 Aug 2020 19:06

pankajs wrote:The above is one reason why I have always supported Modi's effort to expand the delivered of the basics to the bottom of the pyramid including the latest scheme to deliver basic food to ~800 million till November. Our grain stores are anyway overflowing, money already spent, the food rotting and a bumper crop in the offering.


I believe most Hindus do not like EJ brainwashing and submit to it mainly when in distress or extreme poverty. By working towards ensuring people's basic welfare (roti, kapda, makan + sandaas, iskool, health insurance, bank account) Modi is laying the foundation to cap, roll back, and eliminate EJs from India. No amount of Hindutva and ghar vapasi can succeed when Hindoos are too weak to think about anything except basic needs.

The greens require a different approach. These guys are essentially running a parallel social structure focused on multiplication and demographic change. TT, CAA, JK full annexation were the much-needed first blows, next we need NRC implementation, UCC, ban on remittances from 'gelf', etc. Covid has been helpful in the latter regard, with gelf states telling Indians to leave. Goremint should ensure these people are absorbed in Indian economy and not really allowed to go back.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 20:14

Watch ... Mood of the Nation Survey on Indian Today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm_jz-mllEc
How Modi Govt Handled China?; 69% Indians Say India Gave Befitting Reply | Mood Of The Nation 2020


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMuo9GKVO90
Mood Of The Nation Opinion Poll Live With Rajdeep Sardesai & Rahul Kanwal | India Today Live TV

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Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 20:34

He is referring to the 2nd graph ..

https://twitter.com/rajeev_mp/status/12 ... 2887161859
So only 15% of India thinks @RahulGandhi makes sense n other 85% say his statements are Lies (baseless allegations) or Desperate attmpts to seek attn (Publicity stunts) or Ignored.

Epic achievement for a 50 yr old “young” dynast

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Postby pankajs » 08 Aug 2020 20:42

More evidence of bench fixing @ the Supreme court of India. Very serious. Hope the CJI gets to the bottom of this.

https://twitter.com/utkarsh_aanand/stat ... 1576794113
Officials in the #SupremeCourt Registry are in dock over listing the petition by Prashant Bhushan, N Ram & Shourie before a bench led by Justice DY Chandrachud on 10th while similar matters were pending before Justice Arun Mishra.

Explanations have been sought for flouting rules

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Postby Ambar » 08 Aug 2020 20:50

I am very very surprised 'India Today' did not manipulate the poll numbers when they saw that the poll data does not fit with their agenda. Ofcourse the other explanation is they are trying to portray an image of "neutrality" to steal TRP from Republic.

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Postby Vips » 08 Aug 2020 21:51

Aroon Purie knows it is counter productive to antagonize the BJP too much. As it is he is skating on thin ice. He knows 2024 is in the bag for BJP (Inauguration of the Ram temple will be complete in 3 to 3.5 years and so will be 3-6 months before the election) and hence is trying to show his neutrality.

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Postby VKumar » 08 Aug 2020 22:04

The role and neglect of Modi government in non resolution of NSEL scam is a blot on its record. ₹5600 crores from 13000 investors is stuck since 2013, including ₹800crores of MMTC.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 08 Aug 2020 22:14

Good thing about it is that Dharmics also know who didn't participate from sports and entertainment industry.


AltNews ‘editor’ makes a hitlist of the Bollywood actors who tweeted in support of Ram Mandir after Bhoomi Pujan
https://www.opindia.com/2020/08/altnews ... mi-poojan/
Alt News, the self-proclaimed ‘fact-checking’ website has been relentless in cyber stalking, doxxing, and spinning instances of communal crimes that are perpetrated by a specific community has now against indulged in a blatant display of Hinduphobia. One of the editors of AltNews, Pooja Chaudhuri, has now resorted to character assassination and targeted harassment of Bollywood actors who chose to publicly profess their religious views.

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Postby vera_k » 08 Aug 2020 22:30

An Indian royal was shot dead by police in broad daylight. Now, 35 years later, his killers have been jailed

Surprisingly well reported story about an an encounter killing in Rajasthan, alleged to have been ordered by the then chief minister. Also has detail on legal tactics used to slow down court cases for decades.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby isubodh » 08 Aug 2020 22:44

Ambar wrote:I am very very surprised 'India Today' did not manipulate the poll numbers when they saw that the poll data does not fit with their agenda. Ofcourse the other explanation is they are trying to portray an image of "neutrality" to steal TRP from Republic.

It also gives opportunity to slowly taper it down with time and show that popularity is declining.

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Postby IndraD » 08 Aug 2020 23:48

it is to throw compliance in BJP supporters. Old strategy

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Gyan » 08 Aug 2020 23:58

This media poll is to influence Modi and persuade him not to escalate with China. Might be a false flag operation paid for, by China

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby amar_p » 09 Aug 2020 00:25

If anything, the poll shows that people massively TRUST Modi's ABILITY and SINCERITY to make the right decisions in different spheres, its less about this specific policy or that particular stance.

It should only boost the confidence of the PM to be decisive in his approach, and not worry about any domestic fall out. Be it regarding China or the economy or anything else.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 09 Aug 2020 00:56

Vips wrote:Aroon Purie knows it is counter productive to antagonize the BJP too much. As it is he is skating on thin ice. He knows 2024 is in the bag for BJP (Inauguration of the Ram temple will be complete in 3 to 3.5 years and so will be 3-6 months before the election) and hence is trying to show his neutrality.


very recently he was bu&&ered good and proper by the powers that be and these are the very same powers that be that this aloopoori mutt is so contemptuous about.

apparently, for this aloopoori, lessons have been learned, at least temporarily after all that dirty dancing.

he has seen the tide turn against people like him

turdesai is playing the assigned role of a joker in this dark comedy that is playing out on the tv screens now

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Suraj » 09 Aug 2020 01:01

Would anyone be willing to trawl the history of these opinion poll results since 2014 ? Or even prior ? Links to the results and stories from each would be spectacular. It would be really interesting to see how the numbers have been over the years, both figures from individual agencies and a poll-of-poll if such a thing is possible.


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