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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kittoo » 12 Feb 2020 01:09

Can Sbajwa ji enlighten why Sikhs would consolidate against Hindus and support Muslims? Maybe a few, sure, but it doesnt seem plausible that they all collectively have forgotten the true nature of Islamists. I thought Khalistan was mostly pipe dream of NRI sikhs and had very little support in India itself.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby LakshmanPST » 12 Feb 2020 01:31

IndraD wrote:
Rony wrote:In this elections there was a clear Muslim and Sikh communal consolidation in favor of AAP and against BJP. It was Hindus who did not consolidate and did not vote on identity issues. Your theory here applies only to Hindus and not for Muslims or Sikhs or other groups.

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I will stick my neck out and say there is undercurrent of Khalistan support cementing many sikhs for kejriwal.


I can confirm the Sikh angle... It is not only Khalistani support, even non-Khalistani Sikhs support AAP...
I'm not generalizing it to all Sikhs, but every Sikh I met till date hates RSS... And all these Sikhs I met have a Superiority complex of Sikh religion being 'better' than Hinduism... This was a root cause for their hatred of RSS...
Also, they have a deep hate against Modi... There are lot of Sikhs in my office, including my direct Boss, and every one of them hates Modi...
They see Modi as someone who 'humiliated' and brought down a fellow Sikh PM Manmohan Singh... Infact, this is the reason why there was no Modi-wave in 2014 in Punjab...
Many Sikhs in Delhi were Congress supporters and all of them moved towards AAP after 2013 since supporting 'corrupt' Congress didn't sound good... And few BJP supporters also shifted to AAP coz. BJP sounded Communal...

Today Sikhs in Delhi are core vote bank of AAP along with Left Liberal-Hindus... Muslims keep moving between Cong & AAP... And Virtue-Signalling 'development' Hindus keep moving between BJP & AAP...

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby hanumadu » 12 Feb 2020 01:34

The state of Delhi seems to have little to no agricultural expenses unlike other states which have to provide for irrigation, electricity subsidies, loan waivers and what not. No wonder AK can give a lot of stuff free. The share of agriculture in state GDP is 2% compared to 14% all India. The percapita of Delhi is also higher than all other states except Goa.

BJP can give the same free stuff that AK is giving without affecting other aspects of governance

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby hanumadu » 12 Feb 2020 01:46

FYI

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 12 Feb 2020 02:22

Most supporters of Tajinder Pal Singh Bagga are Hindus. Sikhs not so much. Just like most viewers of Tarek Fatah are Hindus. Muslims not so much.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby hanumadu » 12 Feb 2020 02:29

Sikhs are 3% of Delhi population. They are not the cause of BJP defeat. And even if most of them voted for AAP, lets not term them Khalistanis without any basis because obviously an overwhelming portion of Hindus voted for AAP too. Free stuff won the elections.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby IndraD » 12 Feb 2020 02:32

Sikhs r 7% in Delhi

Q came to mind cos I saw a few Sikh blue tick holders congratulating Kejri as next demi god CM https://twitter.com/MajDPSingh/status/1 ... 06209?s=20
disturbingly this is from army back ground . AK has routinely berated army, asked for proof on surgical strike!

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Feb 2020 02:45

P. Chidambaram @PChidambaram_IN · 7h

The Delhi vote is close to an All India vote than to a state-specific vote. Because Delhi is a mini India.



Prasanna Viswanathan @prasannavishy · 2h

Assuming 'Mini-India' Delhi is a good barometer of all India mood, Con party lost deposit in 67 out of 70 seats and polled a grand 4% vote share.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Raveen » 12 Feb 2020 03:18

chetak wrote:




SOmeone should congrtualte PC in that case, cause Khangress will register a 0 in the LS election by his rationale
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Raveen » 12 Feb 2020 03:19

hanumadu wrote:FYI

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Sorry, this is junk - there is no 100% reduction of electric bill, there is a 100% 'someone else will pay for this later' in the electric bill. How much electricity does Delhi generate to mandate the price at which it is sold?

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby hanumadu » 12 Feb 2020 03:29

IndraD wrote:Sikhs r 7% in Delhi

Q came to mind cos I saw a few Sikh blue tick holders congratulating Kejri as next demi god CM https://twitter.com/MajDPSingh/status/1 ... 06209?s=20
disturbingly this is from army back ground . AK has routinely berated army, asked for proof on surgical strike!


Its 3.4% according to census for the state of Delhi.
http://censusindia.gov.in/2011census/C-01.html

Just like there are Hindus who support AAP for their own benefits, so there are Sikhs. No need to attribute other motives to them, IMO. Mind you BJP won with overwhelming majority only few months back in the LS polls.

BJP should have given the subsidies and finished off AAP once and for all.

Another view going around is AK managed the first five years and finances are in dire straits and its effects will be more visible this term.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 12 Feb 2020 03:30

hanumadu wrote:Sikhs are 3% of Delhi population. They are not the cause of BJP defeat. And even if most of them voted for AAP, lets not term them Khalistanis without any basis because obviously an overwhelming portion of Hindus voted for AAP too.


The argument is not that only Sikhs are responsible for BJP defeat. The argument is unlike Hindus who did not consolidate on identity and voted AAP because of freebies, Muslims and Sikhs consolidated on identity issue and voted against BJP. For them their vote is more about "against BJP" rather than "for AAP". When commentators see this election and attribute AAP win to freebies, they are seeing only through Hindu prism and correct only from that perspective. For Muslims, Sikhs and other groups their anti-BJP vote in this election is more ideological than freebies. Muslims and Sikhs would have voted AAP even if there are no freebies. In LS elections too, Muslims and Sikhs voted AAP. Its just that then Hindus consolidated and voted BJP.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby hanumadu » 12 Feb 2020 03:34

Raveen wrote:


Sorry, this is junk - there is no 100% reduction of electric bill, there is a 100% 'someone else will pay for this later' in the electric bill. How much electricity does Delhi generate to mandate the price at which it is sold?


What's your point? Most of us on the forum understand it, but that's not the issue, is it? The person casting his vote thinks he is getting it free and that decided the election.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby hanumadu » 12 Feb 2020 03:42

Rony wrote:
hanumadu wrote:Sikhs are 3% of Delhi population. They are not the cause of BJP defeat. And even if most of them voted for AAP, lets not term them Khalistanis without any basis because obviously an overwhelming portion of Hindus voted for AAP too.


The argument is not that only Sikhs are responsible for BJP defeat. The argument is unlike Hindus who did not consolidate on identity and voted AAP because of freebies, Muslims and Sikhs consolidated on identity issue and voted against BJP. For them their vote is more about "against BJP" rather than "for AAP". When commentators see this election and attribute AAP win to freebies, they are seeing only through Hindu prism and correct only from that perspective. For Muslims, Sikhs and other groups their anti-BJP vote in this election is more ideological than freebies. Muslims and Sikhs would have voted AAP even if there are no freebies. In LS elections too, Muslims and Sikhs voted AAP. Its just that then Hindus consolidated and voted BJP.


Unless there is solid ground for such a belief that Sikhs are anti BJP, there is no point in spreading such a belief which will only exacerbate the misunderstandings. My personal interactions with Sikhs is limited but from social media, I don't see any hostility towards BJP. If anything, most are in favour of BJP. I would at least like to see voting percentages over a few elections to say that Sikhs don't vote BJP.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby V_Raman » 12 Feb 2020 03:47

a complete BJP vs others - BJP might lose all the time. They need allies...

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 12 Feb 2020 04:33

hanumadu wrote: Unless there is solid ground for such a belief that Sikhs are anti BJP, there is no point in spreading such a belief which will only exacerbate the misunderstandings. My personal interactions with Sikhs is limited but from social media, I don't see any hostility towards BJP. If anything, most are in favour of BJP. I would at least like to see voting percentages over a few elections to say that Sikhs don't vote BJP.



Before 2015 Muslims and Sikhs voted Congress or BSP. Now they are AAP vote bank. AAP is the new Congress.

2015 assembly elections results.

77% Muslims, 57% Sikhs voted AAP

The religious minorities of Delhi have emerged the most ardent supporters of the Aam Aadmi Party. Muslims and Sikhs, who had largely stayed away from the AAP in 2013 thus denying it a majority, voted massively for it this time.


2019 LS post poll survey

2019 LS post poll Analysis from Lokniti

Only 8% of Muslim voters nationally ended up voting for the BJP, the same as last time. Christians and Sikhs too largely kept away from the BJP. Among Christians, 11% voted for the party. Among Sikhs, the number was the same (the Akali Dal, the BJP’s ally, got 20%). This lack of enthusiasm for the BJP among the minority communities is also evident in the party not being able to perform too well in minority-concentrated States like Kerala, Punjab and Goa.


More on 2019 LS in Punjab . Punjab from 1966 when it became a separate state to till now never had a Hindu CM. Not even once even when Akali-BJP formed govts

Why Punjab's Sikh Majority Shunned Modi’s Hindutva to Give Congress Eight Seats.


Right or wrong, Sikhs (not including exceptions) never identified with Hindutva like Hindus or Jains did and as such were never a strong supporters of BJP, whether in Punjab or Delhi. But the reverse is true. Hindutva minded Hindus respect Sikhs a lot more than leftist Hindus.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Philip » 12 Feb 2020 05:49

Lakshman,I have some v.close Sikh friends of considerable standing who fully support Modiji and CM Yogi. It's wrong to say that all Sikhs are against the BJP and the RSS.Not too long ago the BJP and Akalis were allies! The Badals messed up governance which brought back Capt. Singh to power. Now the AAP will try and make a resurgence in the Punjab as an alternative to the Cong. If the Cong. falter, the AAP will make inroads. Here again local issues will be the key factors. I continue to say, the BJP must concentrate solidly about the economy and push tangential issues on nationalism to the background. A thriving India economically will be unstoppable at the national level and a strong factor at state elections for well-run BJP states. Those not so well-run will facc trouble as we saw in Rajasthan and M.P.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby hanumadu » 12 Feb 2020 06:24

Rony wrote:
hanumadu wrote: Unless there is solid ground for such a belief that Sikhs are anti BJP, there is no point in spreading such a belief which will only exacerbate the misunderstandings. My personal interactions with Sikhs is limited but from social media, I don't see any hostility towards BJP. If anything, most are in favour of BJP. I would at least like to see voting percentages over a few elections to say that Sikhs don't vote BJP.



Before 2015 Muslims and Sikhs voted Congress or BSP. Now they are AAP vote bank. AAP is the new Congress.

2015 assembly elections results.

77% Muslims, 57% Sikhs voted AAP

The religious minorities of Delhi have emerged the most ardent supporters of the Aam Aadmi Party. Muslims and Sikhs, who had largely stayed away from the AAP in 2013 thus denying it a majority, voted massively for it this time.



Your link shows that Sikhs voted overwhelmingly for BJP and its allies In 2014 and 2015.
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First of all, most of the Sikh vote is in Punjab. BJP is the smaller ally of SAD there. The fight is primarily between other parties. We cannot take any vote as for BJP or against BJP.

Rony wrote: 2019 LS post poll survey

2019 LS post poll Analysis from Lokniti

Only 8% of Muslim voters nationally ended up voting for the BJP, the same as last time. Christians and Sikhs too largely kept away from the BJP. Among Christians, 11% voted for the party. Among Sikhs, the number was the same (the Akali Dal, the BJP’s ally, got 20%). This lack of enthusiasm for the BJP among the minority communities is also evident in the party not being able to perform too well in minority-concentrated States like Kerala, Punjab and Goa.



Same issue again - BJP and its allies got 31% vote. By no means a rejection of BJP. It is a reflection of SAD than BJP. Again, what is the point of using the figures that include Punjab where BJP is only a minor ally.

Here is a more relevant figure from the same article

Sikhs who wanted Modi govt to return (29) vs Sikhs who did not waht Modi govt to return (55)


Not exactly in favour of BJP, but not totally against it either.


Rony wrote:More on 2019 LS in Punjab . Punjab from 1966 when it became a separate state to till now never had a Hindu CM. Not even once even when Akali-BJP formed govts

It's a Sikh majority state when the two major parties are Sikh parties. It is to be expected a Sikh will be CM.


Rony wrote:Why Punjab's Sikh Majority Shunned Modi’s Hindutva to Give Congress Eight Seats.


Right or wrong, Sikhs (not including exceptions) never identified with Hindutva like Hindus or Jains did and as such were never a strong supporters of BJP, whether in Punjab or Delhi. But the reverse is true. Hindutva minded Hindus respect Sikhs a lot more than leftist Hindus.


No need to quote a wire article and you of all people. They would love to create a rift between Hindus and Sikhs. If Sikhs are having reservations about Hindutva, we should find out the reason and assuage them. There are enough Sikhs who vote BJP not to term them anti BJP.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Gerard » 12 Feb 2020 06:47

AAP chief owes party's win to Lord Hanuman
Following the landslide victory in the bitterly contested Delhi Assembly elections, AAP’s chief Arvind Kejriwal, accompanied by his family and Deputy Chief Minister Manish Sisodia, paid obeisance to the famous Hanuman temple near Connaught Place on Tuesday.

After winning the election, Kejriwal said the party’s landslide victory in the Capital is a blessing of Lord Hanuman.

“It is Tuesday and Hanuman ji has blessed us. Around two crore people of Delhi will make the city beautiful,” said Kejriwal.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 12 Feb 2020 07:45

hanumadu wrote: Your link shows that Sikhs voted overwhelmingly for BJP and its allies In 2014 and 2015.

In 2015, Sikhs voted only 34% for BJP while voting 57% for AAP. They overwhelmingly voted for AAP in 2015 not for BJP.

First of all, most of the Sikh vote is in Punjab. BJP is the smaller ally of SAD there. The fight is primarily between other parties. We cannot take any vote as for BJP or against BJP. Same issue again - BJP and its allies got 31% vote. By no means a rejection of BJP. It is a reflection of SAD than BJP. Again, what is the point of using the figures that include Punjab where BJP is only a minor ally

Does that not prove that in a Sikh majority state, a party associated with Hindus and Hindutva always have to play second fiddle and have no chance of capturing power ? Which is fine with me but this goes against the narrative that Sikhs have nothing against BJP or Hindutva, no ? How is this different from the short lived BJP's alliance with PDP in Kashmir ? Not comparing the policies of SAD with PDP here but the electoral prospects of BJP in both states is comparable in terms of its primary votebank in those states- which is exclusively Hindu.
Not exactly in favour of BJP, but not totally against it either.

55% of Sikhs then did not want Modi as PM. Thats more than half which qualifies to put them under 'against'. The for is only 29%. So most Sikhs are either against or 'dont care/dont know' category.
It's a Sikh majority state when the two major parties are Sikh parties. It is to be expected a Sikh will be CM.

Why it has to be "expected' by default ? India has a Sikh PM when both ruling and opposition were majorly Hindu majority parties. So subconsciously you agree that unlike Hindus, Sikhs ( just like Muslims or Christians) wont accept anyone other than from their own religious group to head their states where they are in majority.
If Sikhs are having reservations about Hindutva, we should find out the reason and assuage them. There are enough Sikhs who vote BJP not to term them anti BJP.

If Sikhs are against Hindutva, then they are anti-BJP too which is what i was saying. we can argue about reasons but that it exists is a fact.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 12 Feb 2020 07:48

Muslims didn't vote for BJP after taking free LPGs, ₹2.5 lakh for pakka homes, ₹5 lac ayushman Bharat, Jan dhan, etc etc.

Hindus voted for a communist for 200 units of electricity.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Nikhil T » 12 Feb 2020 07:58

Rony wrote:Most supporters of Tajinder Pal Singh Bagga are Hindus. Sikhs not so much. Just like most viewers of Tarek Fatah are Hindus. Muslims not so much.


Glad that Tej Bug-ga was defeated. He ran a vile Twitter campaign with heavy dose of fake news videos that voters eventually didn't care for.

Also, the posts criticizing Kejriwal's freebie culture ignore the Rs 6000 handout to farmers ahead of GE 2019 and the regularization of illegal colonies that were built on public land ahead of 2020 Delhi elections. Similarly, it was the Akali-BJP Govt that first introduced free electricity for farmers in Punjab in 1997. So freebies have been part of election promises for long - this didn't start with Kejriwal.

Even so, freebies, when done right (e.g. sent directly to the citizen without any intermediaries), are a good way to spend money for a Govt.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rony » 12 Feb 2020 08:24

Nikhil T wrote:
Rony wrote:Most supporters of Tajinder Pal Singh Bagga are Hindus. Sikhs not so much. Just like most viewers of Tarek Fatah are Hindus. Muslims not so much.


Glad that Tej Bug-ga was defeated. He ran a vile Twitter campaign with heavy dose of fake news videos that voters eventually didn't care for.


Dint know there are people in this nationalist forum who dont like Bagga. Khalistanis are not a fan of him either.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Feb 2020 09:12

First

Making it a Hindu vs Sikh is not right. If Delhi is 80% Hindus, then only 50% Hindus votes for BJP. Better to get the equations right with this segment than go looking for culprits elsewhere.

Yes, there are Khalisthanis who have a lot of superiority complex but that is a discussion for some other day and thread.

Second
When GOI does Kartarpur corridor or lobby with Saudia to increase quota for Haj, GOI's motivation is more than politics. Why is that difficult to understand? BOTH of these were claimed as "major achievements" of the current GOI in the presidential address and I myself had posted the bit.

Now, extend that logic to other schemes for minorities. IF one can understand the logic for the above two, one can extend the same logic for other minority schemes in India.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Feb 2020 09:13

Rony wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:
Glad that Tej Bug-ga was defeated. He ran a vile Twitter campaign with heavy dose of fake news videos that voters eventually didn't care for.


Dint know there are people in this nationalist forum who dont like Bagga. Khalistanis are not a fan of him either.
People of all shades are on the forum and that by itself shouldn't be an issue.

Kujli too ran a campaign on "heavy dose" of fake news but voters bought it in their wisdom.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Yagnasri » 12 Feb 2020 09:33

Yes. PAAPis won with massive margins. One more thing - BJP gained at the cost of PAAPis and PAApis retained their vote share from the votes gained from INC. It is the wholesale transfer of votes from INC to PAAPis that gave PAAPis massive edge. Look at the INC % votes difference from 2019 to 2020. It is inconceivable that a party which ruled the Delhi for 15 of the last 21 years can not even get 9-10% it got in its last defeat in 2015 now.

PAAPis were created by BIF as a B team of INC before 2014 and were expected to divide anti INC vote. That has failed badly and in 2015 INC facilitated their massive win and the same thing it continued in 2020.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Raveen » 12 Feb 2020 09:52

Nikhil T wrote:
Rony wrote:Most supporters of Tajinder Pal Singh Bagga are Hindus. Sikhs not so much. Just like most viewers of Tarek Fatah are Hindus. Muslims not so much.


Glad that Tej Bug-ga was defeated. He ran a vile Twitter campaign with heavy dose of fake news videos that voters eventually didn't care for.

Also, the posts criticizing Kejriwal's freebie culture ignore the Rs 6000 handout to farmers ahead of GE 2019 and the regularization of illegal colonies that were built on public land ahead of 2020 Delhi elections. Similarly, it was the Akali-BJP Govt that first introduced free electricity for farmers in Punjab in 1997. So freebies have been part of election promises for long - this didn't start with Kejriwal.

Even so, freebies, when done right (e.g. sent directly to the citizen without any intermediaries), are a good way to spend money for a Govt.



Hmm freebies for people who produce versus fart bags that consume not the same. Again, 1/2 of Delhi is illegal, that isn't a dole but a pragmatic approach.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Nikhil T » 12 Feb 2020 10:33

Rony wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:
Glad that Tej Bug-ga was defeated. He ran a vile Twitter campaign with heavy dose of fake news videos that voters eventually didn't care for.


Dint know there are people in this nationalist forum who dont like Bagga. Khalistanis are not a fan of him either.


Then you must not be following this thread, sir. There are some who are not fans of CAA, NRC etc too (including me, in fair disclosure). If you follow Teetar, you’ll see BRF posters who differ in their political opinion vs the prevailing opinion you see on this thread. Then again, ex CNS Arun Prakash is as vocal against some of recent Right Wing nonsense as he can as an ex Chief. Same with Shiv Aroor, one of the better defense journalists. Doesn’t make any of us less of a nationalist as compared to anyone else on BRF. Also doesn’t mean that differing political opinions among nationalists don’t exist.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Feb 2020 10:45

After Delhi, it’s 'Mission Bengaluru' for AAP



After Delhi, it’s 'Mission Bengaluru' for AAP


BENGALURU: A massive victory in the national capital, that too in the face of BJP’s formidable election-fighting machinery led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah, has come as a big morale booster for the Aam Aadmi Party that is looking to expand its footprints outside Delhi. Now, its focus is on the IT City Bengaluru.

“Delhi results have given new hope and enthusiasm to AAP workers across the country and sent a message that you can win elections purely based on good work. Our focus is now on winning Bruhat Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike (BBMP) elections this year,” AAP state co-convener and BBMP campaign in-charge Shanthala Damle told TNIE. Immediately after the results were announced, AAP workers in Bengaluru and other parts of the state hit the streets and celebrated by distributing sweets.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vikas » 12 Feb 2020 10:56

Are there any statistics to show that more Muslims participate in electoral process than Hindus. How can one find voting percentage of Hindus vs Muslims ?

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Feb 2020 11:13

Nikhil T wrote:
Rony wrote:
Dint know there are people in this nationalist forum who dont like Bagga. Khalistanis are not a fan of him either.


Then you must not be following this thread, sir. There are some who are not fans of CAA, NRC etc too (including me, in fair disclosure). If you follow Teetar, you’ll see BRF posters who differ in their political opinion vs the prevailing opinion you see on this thread. Then again, ex CNS Arun Prakash is as vocal against some of recent Right Wing nonsense as he can as an ex Chief. Same with Shiv Aroor, one of the better defense journalists. Doesn’t make any of us less of a nationalist as compared to anyone else on BRF. Also doesn’t mean that differing political opinions among nationalists don’t exist.


the upsurge of the right is virtually a global phenomenon that has been brought about by scorched earth policies of the loony left that dominated the discourse as well as the narrative for years with no skin in the game.

arun prakash and shiv aroor are mere grains of sand just like the rest and their opinions are as valuable or as useless as personal ideologies wish to make it.

the two are neither influencers nor opinion makers of any great repute and have as much sway on the national polity as strays in the night barking at the passage of a long caravan do.

beyond a very limited audience which in itself is powerless, the two are virtually unknown so quoting them seems counterproductive.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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https://twitter.com/AsimAli6/status/1219072917104779265
Asim Ali @AsimAli6

Prediction for Delhi elections: AAP winning a landslide, at least 60 seats. The biggest indicator is that the BJP campaign, strangely, hasn't even taken off, less than 3 weeks to the election. No involvement of the top leadership. Not the sign of a party which thinks it can win.
https://twitter.com/Suyash75/status/1227184390121435136
Suyash Bharadwaj @Suyash75

If in just 20 days of roaring campaign, BJP FORCED AAP to adopt a centrist/secular stance as compared to their hardcore Islamist stance of past and beat a super Islamist Congress to pulp, what could they do in 3-6 months of campaign in West Bengal?

Now ...
1. BJP wasn't in the campaign but for the last 2-3 weeks.
2. BJP did NOT highlight many of the sickular shenanigans of kujli e.g. Governmental payment to the Maulvis but not to temple priests.
3. BJP did not hammer kujli's denial of permission to prosecute "tukde tukde" Khaniya Kumar.
and may more ...

It is as if BJP woke up in the last 2-3 weeks and realized that they need to win Delhi. That is not how elections are won i.e. by default.
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Feb 2020 11:17

pankajs wrote:First

Making it a Hindu vs Sikh is not right. If Delhi is 80% Hindus, then only 50% Hindus votes for BJP. Better to get the equations right with this segment than go looking for culprits elsewhere.

Yes, there are Khalisthanis who have a lot of superiority complex but that is a discussion for some other day and thread.

Second
When GOI does Kartarpur corridor or lobby with Saudia to increase quota for Haj, GOI's motivation is more than politics. Why is that difficult to understand? BOTH of these were claimed as "major achievements" of the current GOI in the presidential address and I myself had posted the bit.

Now, extend that logic to other schemes for minorities. IF one can understand the logic for the above two, one can extend the same logic for other minority schemes in India.

"more than politics" to be read as "more than vote getting politics". It is politics all right but of a different kind and with a different motivation. Any extra vote is bonus.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Feb 2020 11:22

Gerard wrote:AAP chief owes party's win to Lord Hanuman
Following the landslide victory in the bitterly contested Delhi Assembly elections, AAP’s chief Arvind Kejriwal, accompanied by his family and Deputy Chief Minister Manish Sisodia, paid obeisance to the famous Hanuman temple near Connaught Place on Tuesday.

After winning the election, Kejriwal said the party’s landslide victory in the Capital is a blessing of Lord Hanuman.

“It is Tuesday and Hanuman ji has blessed us. Around two crore people of Delhi will make the city beautiful,” said Kejriwal.


Does it mean anyone who voted for AAP is a "Hanuman Bhakt" and believes in worshiping in his deity form? I think whenever this is brought up it should be asked since a lot of Secular s are mocking BJP on this?

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Nikhil T » 12 Feb 2020 12:14

chetak wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:
Then you must not be following this thread, sir. There are some who are not fans of CAA, NRC etc too (including me, in fair disclosure). If you follow Teetar, you’ll see BRF posters who differ in their political opinion vs the prevailing opinion you see on this thread. Then again, ex CNS Arun Prakash is as vocal against some of recent Right Wing nonsense as he can as an ex Chief. Same with Shiv Aroor, one of the better defense journalists. Doesn’t make any of us less of a nationalist as compared to anyone else on BRF. Also doesn’t mean that differing political opinions among nationalists don’t exist.


the upsurge of the right is virtually a global phenomenon that has been brought about by scorched earth policies of the loony left that dominated the discourse as well as the narrative for years with no skin in the game.

arun prakash and shiv aroor are mere grains of sand just like the rest and their opinions are as valuable or as useless as personal ideologies wish to make it.

the two are neither influencers nor opinion makers of any great repute and have as much sway on the national polity as strays in the night barking at the passage of a long caravan do.

beyond a very limited audience which in itself is powerless, the two are virtually unknown so quoting them seems counterproductive.


Arun Prakash and Shiv Aroor are not of “great repute” and are like “strays barking in the night”. Okay, got it. :roll:

The known experts and chanakyas haven’t really covered themselves in glory this election.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby LakshmanPST » 12 Feb 2020 12:34

hanumadu wrote:Sikhs are 3% of Delhi population. They are not the cause of BJP defeat. And even if most of them voted for AAP, lets not term them Khalistanis without any basis because obviously an overwhelming portion of Hindus voted for AAP too. Free stuff won the elections.


I guess this is not directed to me...
But for the record, I only said that most Sikhs support AAP, never said that they support Khalistan... They are main votebank of AAP atleast in Delhi and this is based more on BJP-hatred than any ideology...

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby pankajs » 12 Feb 2020 13:06

Unending drama from Tauheen bagh ...

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1227207522072682496
ANI @ANI

Delhi: Protesters at Shaheen Bagh observe 'silent protest' today. They hold placards reading 'we don't support any party'.
Ya ..

WATCH the embedded video.
https://twitter.com/AMIT_GUJJU/status/1 ... 0419751936

From the mouth of a kattar Sickular ... BJP has forced "sickular & liberandu" beepul to accept that talking about Ram/Hinduism is NOT kaamooonaaaal! :shock: Who would have thunk! Has AAP become kamoonal or has BJP become seekoolar?
https://twitter.com/YRDeshmukh/status/1 ... 7827070977
Yashwant Deshmukh @YRDeshmukh

Mil gaya mil gaya mila gaya... Gazab @ashutosh83B bhai gazab. You said what no other guy from the other side of spectrum ever dared to say it upfront.

Old Monk is on me. Cheers.
Deshmukh jee could not believe such a thing was stated on live TV and this is his acknowledgement gift to the person concerned .. not me.
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Yagnasri » 12 Feb 2020 13:12

Since there is no biryani they are unable to speak. Hence silent protest.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Feb 2020 13:12

While can question Indian Military integrity by stating that Surgical strikes were false- and many ex forces, family members are ok with thier intergrity being questioned, the PM a psychopath- it is just the media coverage which blinds people. Complete silence on how after BJP lost Jharkand, Maoists beheaded 7 tribals since the parties they favoured won elections, political murders in TN, Delhi all whitewashed.

Inconvenient murders, rapes crimes are completely whitewashed by media is one of the reasons we dont have a fair debate in this country.

Anyway JNU stunt where they are recovered from supposedly dangerous injuries within a few days has paid off.


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