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Postby saip » 12 Apr 2020 06:39

May be he was jilted by her? I did not see anything wrong in what she said. Just a comparison between how India is handling and how US mishandling. What he does not know is in the USA such things are common and are protected under First Amendment of the US Constitution. May be that illiterate idiot does not understand it. 'See you in court' claim at the end shows how asinine he is. If it is criminal complaint the DA has to take action This will not see the light of day. Otherwise ALL TV channels except the fair and balanced FOX will be in trouble and alltheir Anchors would be in jail by now.

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Postby saip » 12 Apr 2020 07:59

Even coming to the USA he would not give up his caste. Talk of kettle calling pot black.

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Postby Deans » 12 Apr 2020 10:13

pankajs wrote:I don't like this humanitarian business. Better would have been to supply HCQ on commercial basis to all and extend soft loan to the needy. With extremely friendly countries, we could have assured them of turning the soft loan into aid at a later date.


My understanding is that companies are supplying HCQ on a commercial basis, the way they always have. They needed Govt clearance (after the export ban) to sell, which GOI has done on a humanitarian basis. The pricing of the drug is pretty much established.

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Postby chetak » 12 Apr 2020 10:53

from the same paper, in today's edition. :mrgreen:


A Bangalore based Tablighi Jamaat member has issued legal notices to five media outlets, including the BCCL, the parent body of Times of India and Times Now, demanding immediate withdrawal of a defamatory article that linked the Jamaat to terror outfits. The article published on the Times Now website on April 1, 2020, states that the Jamaat has ties with Pakistan based Harkat ul Mujahideen, al Qaeda and Lashkar e Taiba, among others.

Taking an exception to such an article Bangalore based HafeezullaKhan, through his lawyers Aslam Razvi and Arif Pasha of Prime Law Associates, sent legal notices to BCCL, Outlook, IANS, Prokerala (website), Daiji World (Kerala based website) and are also in the process of sending legal notices to New Indian Express and journalist S Gurumurthy.


Tablighi Jamaat - its other, evil side



Tablighi Jamaat - its other, evil side

Global security experts call it the antechamber of fundamentalism, claim it is used to nurse and indoctrinate terrorists.


03rd April 2020
By S Gurumurthy


Except intelligence officials, national security experts and the wary among police officials, not many Indians would have heard of the name Tablighi Jamaat [TJ] before the explosive Nizamuddin coronavirus episode gave it the publicity it studiously avoided. On the face of it, TJ’s six principles suggest Islamic piety in its extreme. But that is merely its cosmetic exterior, inviting the innocent and idealistic young Muslims into an ideological line that ultimately turns them as terrorists. The less known and dangerous side of the century-old TJ began unfolding the world over since 2001, but not in India.

Nursery and gateway to terror

“TJ is another system driver and integral element of Islamist Violent Non-State Actors’ internal dynamics; in many cases it has acted as nursery for indoctrinating Islamist terrorists,” writes Dr Farhan Zahid, a Pakistani counter-terrorism and security expert, in his analysis titled “Tablighi Jamaat and its links with terrorism” [Foreign Analysis March 2015 Centre Francais de Reserche Sur le Renseignement]. Dr Farhan says, TJ “in a way plays the role of recruiter and sympathiser [for terrorism]. TJ’s congregation allows radical elements worldwide to meet and discuss violent activities and provide them with the best opportunity to coordinate”. Adding “many of its followers have dual and overlapping membership with jihadist groups”, Dr Farhan cites references and says “TJ has now been considered as a ‘gateway to terrorism’.


WATCH | Quarantine is not against Islamic laws: Tablighi Jamaat Chief Maulana Saad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vmtW3BicQg






Terror record in Europe, US

Dr Farhan says since 2001, traces of links have been found between TJ and Islamists involved in acts of terror. Shoe bomber Richard Reid who attempted a trans-Atlantic airline bombing [2001], Jose Padilla who tried dirty bomb manufacturing [2002] in New York city, Barcelona terror plot [2008] and the arrest of American Taliban John Walker in Afghanistan [2001] were all linked to TJ. Its French Muslim recruits were found involved in planning attacks by the Portland Seven and the Lackawanna Six in the US.In his analysis titled “Tablighi Jamaat: Jihad’s stealthy Legions” in Middle East Quarterly [Jan 8, 2016] Alex Alexiev writes that as 80 per cent of Islamist extremists have come from Tablighi ranks and the French intelligence calls TJ the ‘antechamber of fundamentalism’. In his investigative story titled “French Islamic group offers rich soil for militancy’ in The New York Times [April 29, 2005] Craig Smith lists Zacarias Moussaoui [charged in the US 9/11 terror]; Herve Djamel Loiseau, who died fleeing the 2001 American bombardment of Tora Bora in Afghanistan; Djamel Beghal, an admitted Al-Qaeda member, who was convicted in 2005 for plotting to blow up the US Embassy in Paris, as TJ terror activists of French origin. Freth Burton and Scott Stewart, writing in an analysis titled “Tablighi Jamaat: An Indirect Line to Terrorism” in the Stratfor Global Intelligence Security Weekly, say that 12 out of the 14 men arrested in a pre-emptive raid on a mosque in Barcelona for plotting to attack targets belonged to TJ, adding that TJ’s name figured in the 2005 London underground bombings in which 52 people died and also in the attempted bombings in London, Glasgow and Scotland. Assistant FBI Director [US] Michael Heimbach says that TJ has significant presence in the US, and Al-Qaeda was found to have recruited TJ adherents [New York Post Dec 27, 2015].

Turned Pak into terror hub

The book titled On The Abyss — Pakistan After the Coup [Harper Collins Publishers India 2000] authored mainly by Pakistani scholars, diplomats and writers, says that the largely Barelvi Islamic Pakistan, which accepted local variations, including Dargah worship and Sufi traditions, had been hijacked by Deobandi ideology through Tablighi Jamaat, the result of which was the growth of militancy. Khaled Ahmed, former diplomat and editor of Friday Times in Pakistan writes in On The Abyss: “Because of the rise of Deobandi militias…. the [Punjab] province is rapidly losing its Barelvi temperament.” What the authors had prophesied came true in the very next year when Pakistan was found involved in 9/11 attack on the US. Over the years, Pakistan has come to be known as the global terror hub. Says Dr Farhan, “Several mainstream Islamist violent non-state actors have taken their roots from TJ’s indoctrination and on the platform provided by TJ missionaries. It is the Deobandi ideology of TJ which provides potential jihadists a crucial link.”During the 1980s and 1990s, TJ became the recruiter of Islamist radicals for the Afghan war. Dr Farhan points out that Harkat-ul Jihad-al-Islami [HuJI] was formed by former TJ members Qari Saifullah Akhtar and Fazal ur Rahman Kalil along with others. From the HuJI platform emerged other jihadist outfits - Harkat-ul-Mujhahideen [HuM] Jaish-e-Mohammed [JeM], Sipah-e-Sahaba [SSP] and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi [LeJ]. All of them stand declared as terror outfits.

Terror merchant

An India Abroad News Service report on April 1, 2020 titled “Tablighi Jamaat shares links with terror outfits”, said: “As per WikiLeaks, some of the 9/11 al-Qaeda suspects detained by the US in Guantanamo Bay had stayed in the Tablighi Jamaat headquarters in Nizamuddin West, New Delhi, years ago. Tablighi Jamaat was also suspected to be involved in the burning of 59 Hindu kar sevaks in 2002 in Godhra, Gujarat, which led to mass communal rioting in the state. According to India’s intelligence and security expert, late B Raman, TJ in Pakistan and Bangladesh gained adverse attention for association with Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and members of the International Islamic Front formed by Osama bin Laden in 1998. Quoting Pakistani newspaper reports from the 1990s, Raman pointed out that the trained cadre of jihadi terrorist organisations like HuM obtained visas by posing as preachers of Tablighi Jamaat and went abroad to recruit young Muslims for terror training in Pakistan. Since millions of TJ proselytisers travel around the world, TJ also developed a large following in Chechnya and Dagestan areas of Russia, Somalia and other African countries. Raman wrote that intelligence agencies of these countries suspected that terror organisations based in Pakistan were using the cover of TJ preaching for creating sleeper cells in different countries. As a result, TJ was black-listed and its preachers denied visas.”
B Raman, one of the most brilliant R&AW officers, passed away in 2013.

In Sri Lanka, too

In a piece titled “The road to Sri Lanka Carnage” on Rediff.com, the well-known security analyst Praveen Swami linked Mohammad Muhsin Nilam, a Sri Lankan, to Zahran Hashim who was responsible for the Colombo bombings. Also known as Abu Shuraya, Nilam was killed in Raqqa, the ISIS capital. Nilam’s story is key to understanding the networks thought to be responsible for the carnage in Colombo. Swami says that Tablighi Jamaat had begun to grow roots among Sri Lankan Muslims from the early 21st century. Swami says, “Educated in Sharia law at Islamabad’s International Islamic University, an institution where Osama bin Laden’s mentor Abdullah Azzam once taught, Nilam had encountered with the Tablighi Jamaat. In 2011, when Nilam returned to his home in Kandy in Sri Lanka, he first worked as part-time Urdu instructor at Colombo University.

When he was principal of a school in Galewala, he played a key role in Zahran’s group. Then, in 2014, feigning to go on a pilgrimage with his six children, pregnant wife, and ageing parents, he took them to Turkey and disappeared across the border into Syria. He posted in his Facebook post: “We will kill every man, woman, child, Shia, Sunni, Zoroastrians, Kurds, Christians.” Nilam had recruited for ISIS 36 Sri Lankans, maybe 100, including his friend, Thauqeer Ahmed Thajudeen. Sri Lanka Thowheed Jamaat and Tablighi Jamaat have identical goals and their interests converge. Tamil Nadu Thowheed Jamaat is the mentor of Sri Lanka’s National Thowheed Jamaat, which delivered the bombs in Sri Lanka. There is no Thowheed Jamaat outside India and Sri Lanka.

Now, the climax

And now the climax, for the unwary. Where was this noble-looking evil born? India. Who founded it? Indian. Name? Maulana Mohammed Illyasi. When? In 1920s. Where is its global headquarters? Nizamuddin West Delhi! The place of its annual meet in which hundreds of Tablighis from Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, China and other coronavirus hotspots participated. The outbreak was astonishingly in control in India till Nizamuddin exploded as a grave and dangerous national threat. TJ with its headquarters in India now functions in some 80 countries with some 80 million adherents.

In a 173-page paper titled “Tablighi Jamaat: Wolf in sheep’s skin [Sept 9, 2018; released to media again after the Nizamuddin episode] Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, a Zionist and multi-award-winning anti-jihadist journalist and a counterterrorism specialist, unravels the massive following of JT and its terror connections the world over. Thousands of TJ teachers from within and outside assemble in India and that is what they did in Nizamuddin. Is it just to memorise the six noble principles or as Dr Farhan says “to discuss and coordinate terror activities”, will never be known in India, as no government has the guts to enter any mosque, thanks to the way secularism is understood in our politics.Unless this limit is breached and the menace is outlawed, innocent Muslims attracted by its cosmetic exterior of Koran cannot be saved from becoming carriers of Kalashnikovs and makers and throwers of lethal bombs. Let the courts decide whether TJ’s right to mentor terror in India also constitutes minority right, as is so far being understood.

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The author is a commentator on political and economic affairs

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Apr 2020 12:24

we need policemen like this in India

watch video



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Postby chetak » 12 Apr 2020 12:36

The POTUS could very well be talking about our own Indian presstitutes and soldout "journos" :mrgreen:


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When the Failing @nytimes or Amazon @washingtonpost writes a story saying “unnamed sources said”, or any such phrase where a person’s name is not used, don’t believe them. Most of these unnamed sources don’t exist. They are made up to defame & disparage. They have no “source”...
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Postby chetak » 12 Apr 2020 15:11

soros and other BIF funded journos are again ranting against India using local paid stooges and presstitutes including sold out "scientists"

CJ Werleman@cjwerleman
400 scientists have said there is no evidence to support the claims that a Jamaat event at Nizamuddin Markaz in Delhi was responsible for the continued rise in covid-19 cases in India.



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Coronavirus: The ‘scientists’ who have given clean chit to Tablighi Jamaatis for being super spreaders in India had also demanded withdrawal of CAA


The ISRC, by its own admission is a group curated by one Reeteka Sud, who is associated with NIMHANS, Bengaluru and comprises of not only scientists, but also journalists, engineers and ‘social scientists’. Essentially, a group which has given itself a name which sounds like an authority on coronavirus in India comprises of people who may not really know much about it after all.

Further digging into the voluntary group of scientists which now also includes journalists for some reason revealed that many of these same scientists had demanded withdrawal of Citizenship Amendment Act, which fast-tracked Indian citizenship for the persecuted religious minorities in three neighbouring Islamic countries, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

While it is called ISRC (Indian Scientist's response to COVID) making it sound like a panel of experts on COVID, it has non-biology, medical background scientists, journalists, "Social Scientists. The halo of "Scientists" is retained to maintain political relevance pic.twitter.com/UG1XqNnfdx

— saket साकेत ಸಾಕೇತ್ (@saket71) April 11, 2020


As pointed out by Saket, the same group had claimed that ‘careful exclusion’ of Muslims from the list of persecuted minorities in Islamic countries would ‘strain the pluralistic fabric of India’. It is imperative to note here that the Muslims of these three neighbouring countries can apply for Indian citizenship under existing laws. The CAA was specifically only for the persecuted religious minorities in three neighbouring Islamic countries. It did not affect citizenship procedure for anyone else and neither did it affect citizenship status for Indian Muslims.

Scientist Aurnab Ghose is signatory on both Kashmir matter and CAA, part of this group. Ditto Gautam Menon of Ashoka University. Rahul Siddharthan. To me with such background and political letters, seem dubious. Nothing on creating anything to fight #Covid_19india

— saket साकेत ಸಾಕೇತ್ (@saket71) April 11, 2020

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chetak wrote:soros and other BIF funded journos are again ranting against India using local paid stooges and presstitutes including sold out "scientists"

CJ Werleman@cjwerleman
400 scientists have said there is no evidence to support the claims that a Jamaat event at Nizamuddin Markaz in Delhi was responsible for the continued rise in covid-19 cases in India.



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Coronavirus: The ‘scientists’ who have given clean chit to Tablighi Jamaatis for being super spreaders in India had also demanded withdrawal of CAA


The ISRC, by its own admission is a group curated by one Reeteka Sud, who is associated with NIMHANS, Bengaluru and comprises of not only scientists, but also journalists, engineers and ‘social scientists’. Essentially, a group which has given itself a name which sounds like an authority on coronavirus in India comprises of people who may not really know much about it after all.

Further digging into the voluntary group of scientists which now also includes journalists for some reason revealed that many of these same scientists had demanded withdrawal of Citizenship Amendment Act, which fast-tracked Indian citizenship for the persecuted religious minorities in three neighbouring Islamic countries, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

While it is called ISRC (Indian Scientist's response to COVID) making it sound like a panel of experts on COVID, it has non-biology, medical background scientists, journalists, "Social Scientists. The halo of "Scientists" is retained to maintain political relevance pic.twitter.com/UG1XqNnfdx

— saket साकेत ಸಾಕೇತ್ (@saket71) April 11, 2020


As pointed out by Saket, the same group had claimed that ‘careful exclusion’ of Muslims from the list of persecuted minorities in Islamic countries would ‘strain the pluralistic fabric of India’. It is imperative to note here that the Muslims of these three neighbouring countries can apply for Indian citizenship under existing laws. The CAA was specifically only for the persecuted religious minorities in three neighbouring Islamic countries. It did not affect citizenship procedure for anyone else and neither did it affect citizenship status for Indian Muslims.

Scientist Aurnab Ghose is signatory on both Kashmir matter and CAA, part of this group. Ditto Gautam Menon of Ashoka University. Rahul Siddharthan. To me with such background and political letters, seem dubious. Nothing on creating anything to fight #Covid_19india

— saket साकेत ಸಾಕೇತ್ (@saket71) April 11, 2020


Chetakji- these paid "scientists" should be volunteered to house these tablighis and isolated. What is the point of having disaster/emergency laws if we can't use them. Every day we put police, first responders, volunteers at risk for these "scientists" or TJs it is unethical. Apologies to everyone for the rant

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kaivalya » 12 Apr 2020 18:55

Our cops being super responsible and gentle during the whole time. Here tourists are made to write "I am sorry" 500 times because the tourists got restless and started to walking around

https://i.redd.it/tu6ydwplqbs41.png

These FLICs made such a hue and cry about migrants getting sprayed. Now every city and market is planning and working on spraying everyone. It has been a couple of weeks...I wish YANji publishes a report on those 1.5 lakh people and their isolation status. If most of them are doing good, they are in a better place than say being super worried in dharavi ( even after kujliwals shady plausible deniability move )

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Postby Sachin » 12 Apr 2020 19:35

Kaivalya wrote:Our cops being super responsible and gentle during the whole time. Here tourists are made to write "I am sorry" 500 times because the tourists got restless and started to walking around

To be frank; COVID-19 threat has actually helped in a very good image make over for the most abused (in every one's minds) department in India; the police. Pretty much in every state the police have risen to occassion and have been strict as well as helping the needy. In Kerala, the actual 'angels' who have been keeping the virus at bay would be the police and the health department. The tourists too required some good punishment if they tried to act too cocky.

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Postby syam » 12 Apr 2020 19:39

Sachin garu, how is the situation in kerala? Everyone wondering how they are registering very few when every single source dominated areas in country are exploding with cases left and right.

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Postby shaun » 12 Apr 2020 19:40

to counter these BIF forces , long term planning required with full covert , soft and hard retaliation , after 70 years of independence still the slave mentality of many Indians , makes them believe the Lies being peddled by white skins !! complicating the situation are the Childrens of Macaulay!..i Can understand some people make a living writing nonsense but what motivates these so called "scientists" and " scholars " ????

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Postby arvin » 12 Apr 2020 20:13

syam wrote:Sachin garu, how is the situation in kerala? Everyone wondering how they are registering very few when every single source dominated areas in country are exploding with cases left and right.


Not a fan of present commie govt, but this time kerala govt got it right to flatten the curve. I will believe the numbers. Most of the cases were due to gulf and euro returnees and they infecting close family members. It helped that international flights ceased on march 22 and full lockdown in march 25. Kasargod and kannur which were the worst infected appears to have stabilized now.
Today only 2 cases were reported.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_co ... _in_Kerala

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Postby Ambar » 12 Apr 2020 20:54

Sachin wrote:To be frank; COVID-19 threat has actually helped in a very good image make over for the most abused (in every one's minds) department in India; the police. Pretty much in every state the police have risen to occassion and have been strict as well as helping the needy. In Kerala, the actual 'angels' who have been keeping the virus at bay would be the police and the health department. The tourists too required some good punishment if they tried to act too cocky.


+1000. The Indian Police has been much maligned, abused, disrespected for decades and wrongly so. There are undoubtedly shortcomings and corruption in law enforcement but that's more on the people in administration than the police personnel who in 40 degrees heat do 12 to 14 hr a day duty dealing with unruly, undisciplined people. The only reason this lockdown has been mostly successful in keeping 1.3 billion people inside in a country as big,poor and complex as India is because of our Police and no one else. They have managed with cane sticks and plastic batons without having to resort to guns no matter how hostile some people were. We have seen images of police helping the poorest of the poor, giving food, water, helping stray animals and birds, we have also seen police come up with creative and innovative ways to educate people about the dangers of this pandemic. Unfortunately,we have also witnessed police being spit upon, cursed, pelted with stones and bricks, tried getting run over by a truck and their hands chopped (yes, in Punjab), and yet do their duty. I truly hope people will remember these days in future when they deal with the Police and not forget that they are the first and last line of defense that stops our societies and our country from falling into chaos.

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Postby Kaivalya » 12 Apr 2020 21:00

^^^

It is is just hard to believe the kerala numbers because they dont seem to have a hard contact tracing process or isolation statistics. For example

Tamil nadu just cleared 58,000 odd people from isolation today. There are still close to 40,000 people in isolation. There 80 lakh people under the lockdown etc. Today's count of 106 is related to 16 international travel/TJ etc and 90 related to the 16. Even this data is not enough to say whether general transmission is occurring or not. For reasons known only to administration, they dont provide all data ( even though they provide more data than other states in my opinion )

To add from a personal perspective- Downstairs neighbor has been put under isolation for 28 days after returning from dubai, we have been surveyed in the door to door reachout in Chennai etc. Maybe some BRFite from kerala, wb can allay our fears

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Postby Ambar » 12 Apr 2020 21:16

North Kerala was the hotbed of corona last month mostly because it has a huge "single source" population. North Kerala lacks medical facilities and relies heavily on hospitals in angalore city,Karnataka. This is the reason why Kerala govt. went to the supreme court asking Karnataka to unblock the highways. Yesterday we saw images of mile long queues in Kerala where people lined up to buy meat for easter. I'll take Kerala's numbers and the slick whattsapp/FB propaganda with a heap of salt.

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Postby Gerard » 12 Apr 2020 22:03

Germany: Police attacked while enforcing social distancing measures
Police in Germany's financial capital Frankfurt were attacked by men with stones and iron bars while enforcing social distancing measures to stop the spread of coronavirus, authorities said on Saturday. In a statement, police said officers stopped their car when they saw a large group of people in the street on Friday who were blatantly ignoring lockdown rules.

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Postby Kaivalya » 12 Apr 2020 22:09

^^^
Update from TN - 8 Indonesian TJs including 4 women have been arrested because they broke the law violated lockdown and preached in a get together. TN wants to be sickular and stopped providing clarity on TJ ( Now they say - single source instead of TJ)

-only local tamil channels are reporting Indonesian tjs. Hence no references even from google chacha

Further to hizzoner's clear as mud directive that "tests should be free" , state government to compensate pvt labs and hospitals 100% for tests.

If nihangs can be arrested why not TJs...

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Postby pankajs » 12 Apr 2020 22:50

https://twitter.com/MIREXRD/status/1249022674761850883
Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores R.Dominicana @MIREXRD

India dona 200 mil tabletas de hidroxicloroquina para tratamiento del #COVID19

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I think they got the numbers wrong .. It just can't be 200 million. GOI itself has only blocked 100 million.

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Supporting our partners in the fight against #Covid19. Consignment of hydroxichloroquine from India arrived at Newark airport today.

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Postby Ambar » 12 Apr 2020 22:59

Soo interesting to watch the left eat one of its own ! Uber secularist patrakaar Rahul Kanwal saab did a show on coronavirus hotspots on 'India Today' TV and highlighted how madrassas/mosques are hiding people and creating public health crisis hotspots. That one report was enough for the islamo-fascists and their global left army to descend on Rahul Kanwal and tear him to shreds . Here's one such woke's tweet singing virtues of Germany while ignoring that 1. She and her fellow students remained inside and helped the authorities instead of hiding coronavirus cases like many "single source" peacefuls did and 2. No one spit, urinated, walked around naked in front of female nurses,escaped quarantine or attacked police like the peaceful jaamatis did in India.
https://twitter.com/Just_Screams/status ... 0398869505

Violins on television
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I live in a student housing complex in Germany. When the Covid-19 lockdown came almost everyone decided to stay put. It's mostly students from India, Pakistan, China on my floor w/ shared bathrooms and kitchen but German media isn't calling us "Corona hotspots"

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby jpremnath » 13 Apr 2020 02:29

Kaivalya wrote:^^^

It is is just hard to believe the kerala numbers because they dont seem to have a hard contact tracing process or isolation statistics. For example

Tamil nadu just cleared 58,000 odd people from isolation today. There are still close to 40,000 people in isolation. There 80 lakh people under the lockdown etc. Today's count of 106 is related to 16 international travel/TJ etc and 90 related to the 16. Even this data is not enough to say whether general transmission is occurring or not. For reasons known only to administration, they dont provide all data ( even though they provide more data than other states in my opinion )

To add from a personal perspective- Downstairs neighbor has been put under isolation for 28 days after returning from dubai, we have been surveyed in the door to door reachout in Chennai etc. Maybe some BRFite from kerala, wb can allay our fears


The contact tracing is quite robust. The health officials have significant experience with the 2018 Nipah outbreak where it was successfully executed to trace all the contacts of the first patient. Every PHCs in the state knows which houses have Gulf/foreign returnees and keeps check. I know because my house was contacted multiple times, even though i reached home in mid Feb...the instance where the tracing couldnt cope up was with the Kasargod cases, including the one where a smuggler was involved..and im pretty sure, he was not the only one from Kasargod who gave wrong info and left a suspect trail. It is reflected in the COVID numbers of Kasargod which is half of the total confirmed cases.

Kasargod and to a lesser extent north Kannur is heavily dependent on Mangalore for commerce and Healthcare. Kannur city and its southern part has plenty of good hospitals. The consecutive state governments, regardless of their political allegiance had ignored Kasargod over the decades and now with Karnataka blocking of the boundary have left egg on the govt's face. It has dented the left's position that the whole of Kerala has good healthcare coverage.

Leaving all this, you can trust the numbers coming out from Kerala. Even if they tried to hide something, it would be dug up by print media which is mostly anti-Left. Today's situation is 2 new cases and 36 recovered. Now the total active cases is around 194. But keep in mind that out of the 14,989 samples which has been sent for tests, they are still awaiting the results of 1,187. So the numbers could go up. And to top it around 1,16,941 people are under home quarantine, mostly people who arrived from abroad and those who were in touch with the previous confirmed cases. I will wait for one more week before claiming Kerala has the outbreak under control.

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Postby Kaivalya » 13 Apr 2020 05:03

jpremnath wrote:
Kaivalya wrote:^^^

It is is just hard to believe the kerala numbers because they dont seem to have a hard contact tracing process or isolation statistics. For example

Tamil nadu just cleared 58,000 odd people from isolation today. There are still close to 40,000 people in isolation. There 80 lakh people under the lockdown etc. Today's count of 106 is related to 16 international travel/TJ etc and 90 related to the 16. Even this data is not enough to say whether general transmission is occurring or not. For reasons known only to administration, they dont provide all data ( even though they provide more data than other states in my opinion )

To add from a personal perspective- Downstairs neighbor has been put under isolation for 28 days after returning from dubai, we have been surveyed in the door to door reachout in Chennai etc. Maybe some BRFite from kerala, wb can allay our fears


The contact tracing is quite robust. The health officials have significant experience with the 2018 Nipah outbreak where it was successfully executed to trace all the contacts of the first patient. Every PHCs in the state knows which houses have Gulf/foreign returnees and keeps check. I know because my house was contacted multiple times, even though i reached home in mid Feb...the instance where the tracing couldnt cope up was with the Kasargod cases, including the one where a smuggler was involved..and im pretty sure, he was not the only one from Kasargod who gave wrong info and left a suspect trail. It is reflected in the COVID numbers of Kasargod which is half of the total confirmed cases.

Kasargod and to a lesser extent north Kannur is heavily dependent on Mangalore for commerce and Healthcare. Kannur city and its southern part has plenty of good hospitals. The consecutive state governments, regardless of their political allegiance had ignored Kasargod over the decades and now with Karnataka blocking of the boundary have left egg on the govt's face. It has dented the left's position that the whole of Kerala has good healthcare coverage.

Leaving all this, you can trust the numbers coming out from Kerala. Even if they tried to hide something, it would be dug up by print media which is mostly anti-Left. Today's situation is 2 new cases and 36 recovered. Now the total active cases is around 194. But keep in mind that out of the 14,989 samples which has been sent for tests, they are still awaiting the results of 1,187. So the numbers could go up. And to top it around 1,16,941 people are under home quarantine, mostly people who arrived from abroad and those who were in touch with the previous confirmed cases. I will wait for one more week before claiming Kerala has the outbreak under control.


Thank you! 116k under home quarantine seems to be in the similar range as TN. If most of the self quarantine people with travel history are released in a week and remaining testing results are complete - Maybe 400 hiding TJs are the only red flags remaining for new spread. Praying that we come out of this lockdown necessity in a week and slowly start to think about normalcy

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Postby Sachin » 13 Apr 2020 09:26

syam wrote:Everyone wondering how they are registering very few when every single source dominated areas in country are exploding with cases left and right.

arvin wrote:Most of the cases were due to gulf and euro returnees and they infecting close family members. It helped that international flights ceased on march 22 and full lockdown in march 25. Kasargod and kannur which were the worst infected appears to have stabilized now.

Kaivalya wrote:It is is just hard to believe the kerala numbers because they dont seem to have a hard contact tracing process or isolation statistics.

In the case of KL, I am as confused as every one else :). But looks like attendance to the Tableeghi Jamaat (i.e the 'single source event') could have been very less from Kerala. And that many of the attendees may have reported about their travel and got home quarantined. As said above the first cases of COVID-19 were via NRKs who landed up in the state. But here again at least in one area these folks were cooperative and went for the treatments, which helped stopping the spread. In any area where the people have been uncooperative the spread has been high. It is in the Muslim dominant localities of Kasaragod and Kannur districts that the cases have been more. This is very similar to TN where it was the Tableeghi Jamaatis who messed up the state's entire plans.

We must also consider Kerala's land & population size. It would be way far below when compared to states like UP. So in the bigger states, the chances of more people getting infected is higher. Though we must appreciate GoKLs quick responses, we must also take into consideration factors like population, land size etc.

jpremnath wrote:Leaving all this, you can trust the numbers coming out from Kerala. Even if they tried to hide something, it would be dug up by print media which is mostly anti-Left.

I will not believe the bolded part :). From what I have observed pretty much every main stream publishing house in Kerala are very pro-commie government. If that is not the case they are also influenced by minority community organisations. So much so that the government is getting good support from these entities. In social media, and in main stream media (which I don't rely at all); the message being spread is that Kerala survived the COVID-19 overcoming anti-state central government policies. This is becoming like the "Gaulish village v/s Roman Empire" theme in Asterix comics. At least in social media chest thumping is all the more higher with declarations that the state would survive even if other neighbours like TN & KA etc block roads or reduce essential supplies (KL purchases every thing from these two states). Anti-Indian Union hatred is still being peddled among the population of Kerala.

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Postby shaun » 13 Apr 2020 09:50

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... 9838/...on a roll peddling nonsense ... since the start of this year ...from CAA , to delhi riots to present wuhan virus ... almost all major english print media showing their true colors ... need of the hour to make a list of such publications.

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Postby syam » 13 Apr 2020 11:29

Sachin wrote:In the case of KL, I am as confused as every one else :). But looks like attendance to the Tableeghi Jamaat (i.e the 'single source event') could have been very less from Kerala. And that many of the attendees may have reported about their travel and got home quarantined. As said above the first cases of COVID-19 were via NRKs who landed up in the state. But here again at least in one area these folks were cooperative and went for the treatments, which helped stopping the spread. In any area where the people have been uncooperative the spread has been high. It is in the Muslim dominant localities of Kasaragod and Kannur districts that the cases have been more. This is very similar to TN where it was the Tableeghi Jamaatis who messed up the state's entire plans.

We must also consider Kerala's land & population size. It would be way far below when compared to states like UP. So in the bigger states, the chances of more people getting infected is higher. Though we must appreciate GoKLs quick responses, we must also take into consideration factors like population, land size etc.

whenever some single-source related events happen in india, mallus are at forefront of every agitation. i mean violent versions of the agitations. the whole logistics part is handled by mallus. pardon me for being skeptical of their lesser involvement in some thing epic like jamat.

kasorgod and kannur both are hotbeds of radicals. how are they cooperating with officials? so many holes in their better-than-UP covid handling. it will be good if they are being honest about the situation. that wishful thinking might be clouding our minds from seeing the real picture.

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Postby Sachin » 13 Apr 2020 11:31

COVID-19: UAE plans 'strict restrictions' on countries reluctant to take back their nationals. (x-posted).
True colours of some of the 'magnanimous' Arab Sheikdoms are now coming out. GoKL may start throwing tantrums to force the hand of GoI.

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Postby arvin » 13 Apr 2020 12:25

Looks like the Jamaat has a poor membership in Kerala. I am seeing not more than 15 to 20 infections due to it out of current tally of 300+ in Kerala. Maybe due to IUML influence and to avoid a turf war, dont know.

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Postby pankajs » 13 Apr 2020 13:54

https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/1249304778296807424
Press Trust of India @PTI_News

12 people, including 11 who came in contact with Tablighi Jamaat members in Katghora town of Korba district, test positive for #COVID19 in Chhattisgarh; cases rises to 30: Official
https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1249307172128710663
iMac_too @iMac_too

Malegaon added 13 more #ChineseVirus positive cases today. Total 28 now

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Postby Yagnasri » 13 Apr 2020 14:03

arvin wrote:Looks like the Jamaat has a poor membership in Kerala. I am seeing not more than 15 to 20 infections due to it out of current tally of 300+ in Kerala. Maybe due to IUML influence and to avoid a turf war, dont know.


It is because no one is reporting the details now properly. The numbers coming from at least Mumbai, Kolkata and Cochin may have to be taken with some serious doubt.

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Postby Krita » 13 Apr 2020 14:46

syam wrote:
Sachin wrote:In the case of KL, I am as confused as every one else :). But looks like attendance to the Tableeghi Jamaat (i.e the 'single source event') could have been very less from Kerala. And that many of the attendees may have reported about their travel and got home quarantined. As said above the first cases of COVID-19 were via NRKs who landed up in the state. But here again at least in one area these folks were cooperative and went for the treatments, which helped stopping the spread. In any area where the people have been uncooperative the spread has been high. It is in the Muslim dominant localities of Kasaragod and Kannur districts that the cases have been more. This is very similar to TN where it was the Tableeghi Jamaatis who messed up the state's entire plans.

We must also consider Kerala's land & population size. It would be way far below when compared to states like UP. So in the bigger states, the chances of more people getting infected is higher. Though we must appreciate GoKLs quick responses, we must also take into consideration factors like population, land size etc.

whenever some single-source related events happen in india, mallus are at forefront of every agitation. i mean violent versions of the agitations. the whole logistics part is handled by mallus. pardon me for being skeptical of their lesser involvement in some thing epic like jamat.

kasorgod and kannur both are hotbeds of radicals. how are they cooperating with officials? so many holes in their better-than-UP covid handling. it will be good if they are being honest about the situation. that wishful thinking might be clouding our minds from seeing the real picture.

Same media that peddles that there are no poor in Kerala and no hunger deaths in Kerala are behind the Kerala exceptionalism propaganda. The media in Kerala; newspapers, channels and film field are infested with Antham commies and Che fans.
The propaganda of Kerala exceptionalism that was run during the floods got busted, when people realized that commie cheerleaders and commies are the only ones who recieved the promised compensation for the damages suffered during the floods. (I was witness to DYFI Gundaism in Allapuzha , when those scumbags with their women folk forcibly took the best clothes of the relief lot donated by Rotary club in a govt school, and an admin here banned me for stating the truth)
Kerala is ahead of many states in healthcare and education. But, calling oneself Scandinavian level in HDI is a big joke.
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Postby syam » 13 Apr 2020 16:45

alright, found some old report about single-source in mallu land,
According to Ashraf, the influence of Tablighi Jamaat in this part of the state can be cited as another reason for this amicable nature. “They are more into spiritual matters than other aspects of life. Though they don’t have much influence in the northern part, their role in the community in the south is significant. This also has contributed in a big manner to the peaceful atmosphere,” he said.

Unlike in the north, the ‘secular identity’ of the community members prevailed over that of their ‘Muslim identity’. Hence, a number of members of the community, representing various sectors such as literature, education, films, politics and judiciary, rose to the frontline of the mainstream. The south produced luminaries such as Vakkom Abdul Khadar Maulavi, Vaikom Muhammed Basheer, Prem Nazir, T A Majeed, Nafeesath Beevi, Fathima Beevi, P K Kunju, Thangal Kunju Musaliar and Mammootty.

“In the south, we cared much for public education as we had more avenues for it. This too resulted in the difference of the attitude towards the religious organisations though now there is a slow change. Contrary to their claim, the real reason for the splits in the organisations were not ideological but mostly the financial interests. The hardline stance is part of attempts to keep the cadre with them to promote the organisations and not the community,” said Ashraf.


i don't know what to make of this. northern kerala seems to be well set in their ways, tablighs couldn't penetrate them. we still have high cases in those districts from gelf fellows. on other hand, southern kerala seems to have significant number of tablighs. so far very little news about them. their neighbour district coimbatore has 119 cases so far with atleast 100 from single-source event.

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Postby schinnas » 13 Apr 2020 17:39

All the accomplishment of Kerala in basic healthcare and literacy and nutrition is common in most communist countries until their economy implodes then they become basket cases like Cuba. For reference Cuba claimed all that before their economy was destroyed

If not for tourism and remittances, Kerala would be on hard wicket economically.

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Postby Sachin » 13 Apr 2020 17:51

Mean while in a major blow to 'secularism & liberal-ism'. COVID-19: ‘Stay where you are,’ SC to Indians abroad.
The case here is a bit tricky though. Though the average Keralite peaceful and commie will say that they would be happy to be part of the UAE, the truth is that there is a fairly bad economic crisis there. Lots of firms have shut down shops, and the ministry focusing on employment of Emiratis are also now upping the ante. The net result is that there are lots of Indian orgin people who have been asked to go on long leave without pay, or have got their VISAs expired. GoKL wants the people willing to come back to Kerala to be flown out at India's cost but GoI may have other thoughts in mind. Mean while the usual groups in KL have already started the "Yeevil Moodi is not helping us in time of need". :(( whines.

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Postby chetak » 13 Apr 2020 19:21

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Postby schinnas » 13 Apr 2020 21:33

vijayk wrote:^^ we have to out these scums by writing blogs


They should be informed informally to not take their OCI / PIO for granted.

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Postby Kaivalya » 13 Apr 2020 22:29

schinnas wrote:
vijayk wrote:^^ we have to out these scums by writing blogs


They should be informed informally to not take their OCI / PIO for granted.



I tried to look up an equivalent of OfCom or FCC in India that regulates across mediums - it seems like there is still is not a central body governing nonsense peddled in various media other than self governance. I hope I am totally wrong about this

https://www.prsindia.org/hi/theprsblog/regulation-media-india-brief-overview

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Postby pankajs » 13 Apr 2020 22:43

Per iMac on twitter, pawarful shot down a proposal to deploy force (army) in Mumbai.

Akshay Patra has emerged as a platform for charity with many celebrities and companies boosting its capacity in these time of need. Actually it makes sense. It has the capacity and the reach plus the schools are closed.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1249320613812068357
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Sri Lanka made cremations compulsory for coronavirus victims on Sunday, ignoring protests from the country's minority Muslims who say it goes against Islamic tradition
http://u.afp.com/3ptE
What happened earlier was not a one off.

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Postby pankajs » 14 Apr 2020 03:04

mean-e-while

https://twitter.com/utkarsh_aanand/stat ... 7954487296
Utkarsh Anand @utkarsh_aanand

#SupremeCourt delivers its detailed judgment on #MadhyaPradesh floor test:

* Affirms Governor's decision to call for a floor test

* Says no impediment to Governor asking a CM to show majority when he has good reasons to believe so
Justice DY Chandrachud adds:

* Governor can exercise this power in a running assembly too

* SC rejects contentions by Kamal Nath, MP Congress that Governor can at best call for a session but not ask for a floor test in a running assembly

* SC relies on SR Bomma

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Postby pankajs » 14 Apr 2020 03:09

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1249543308143190016
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#Mumbai 4 new COVID19 positive cases and 1 death reported in Dharavi today. Till now, the total number of positive cases in Dharavi is 47, 5 deaths
#Maharashtra
https://twitter.com/iMac_too/status/1249575607089778688
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#ChineseVirus: Maharashtra may hand out anti-malaria drug as preventive med

Panic is setting in?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 113510.cms
Covid-19: Maharashtra may hand out anti-malaria drug as preventive med

IIRC, iMac had pointed out sometime back that NCP/CON have gone invisible as the Maharashtra numbers have soared leaving UT/Sena to deal with it.

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Postby Ambar » 14 Apr 2020 04:36

Uddav and his moronic son are busy paying PR firms to create glossy advertisements on how well Maharashtra administration is handling the crises. The PR firms must have hired a bunch of interns to run the Govt of Maharashtra account because they sent the same text and script to Bollywoodias, Cricketers, "intellects" and some corporate types to tweet. Their game was up when all the celebrities in unison ended up tweeting the exact same message near verbatim on the same day ! On the other hand in Mumbai as situation goes rapidly out of control, the government has put shamiyanas below flyovers and moved patients from government hospitals under the overpass so they can make space for covid cases !


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