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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 05 May 2020 23:44

V_Raman wrote:If suswamy can bring about Indo China reproachment - that will be biggest win!

As shiv used to say, if my aunt had a xxxx, she would be my uncle.

India and China have fundamentally inimical cultures, agendas and destinies. I can see a "detente", but what the hell is a "rapprochement" between India and China, and what will it look like? Beyond what is already there--India giving up on Taiwan, Tibet et al, buying billions of Chinese low-end crap, and ceding control to China in all the high-end, high-value sectors? Not to speak of mindspace? All in exchange for precisely nothing, other than arrogant imperialist swagger by Chinese?

What more do you think Swamy will accomplish with India-China, other than more giveaways by India? Maybe Arunachal, starting with Tawang? Sikkim?

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Postby KL Dubey » 05 May 2020 23:58

The last page or so is phaltu discussion on Swamy. Every 30-40 pages or so of the Poltoo thread has always had a "Swamy is a snake" type of discussion, so this one is nothing new.

I just want to stick to useful info, e.g. the National Herald case. It is still very much on. The next SC hearing has been postponed to May 16 for obvious reasons. Earlier date was Mar 17, then postponed to Apr 23, and now to May. Let us see what happens.

https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/law-and-order/national-herald-case-postponed-till-16-may.html

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Postby sanjaykumar » 06 May 2020 00:34

India wants China detente. China wants India a la dente.

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Postby KL Dubey » 06 May 2020 00:34

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Very intelligent and accomplished, even brilliant by many measures. Also, extremely competitive to the point of being pathologically vain and narcissistic. Addicted to, and driven by, being "given his rightful due" as the smartest and the best, will fight like hell and destroy anything and anybody, including national interests, to achieve this. Cannot tolerate for even one moment, someone else being "higher" than him.


I would not disagree. The best news of the day is that it is beyond any of our pay grades on BRF to worry about how to handle Swamy. Clearly, there are certain "all-powerful peeps" in BJP who want to use his services/qualities for now...and by corollary, may "un-use" him later as needed. I think he is seeking attention more than anything else. He got it from Modi a few years ago and has mostly kept mum after that. If he thinks India-China can be buddies, he is entitled to his opinion but nothing more than that is going to happen. I think he is too intelligent to risk being thrown in the Shourie-Jaswant-Yashwant scrap heap.

PS: Unlike many "unelectable" intellectuals with political ambitions, Swamy is a 3-time Lok Sabha MP and kept Janata Party alive till 2013. He is not a random guy.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Manish_Sharma » 06 May 2020 08:15

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This article needs to be shared across all circles of Modi supporters.
This article is a well documented case study of how India Today group has been presenting Dhongress President Chornia Kaandi as 'Saint Sonia since past 2 decades
Do READ, share and RT
https://twitter.com/bhs7rocks/status/12 ... 19712?s=19



I SUGGEST BRF READERS READ THIS ARTICLE ON BELOW LINK AS IT HAS VARIOUS "India today" COVERS showing how sonia has been promoted in last 2 decades, I am just copy pasting article here for record.

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/creati ... edia-house

Creating A Mythology Around ‘St Sonia’: A Case Study Of One Media House 

by Suhas
May 01, 2020, 9:32 pm

There are myths and there is mythmaking.

There are myths around many people from time immemorial where many people who interacted with some exceptionally gifted individual would bring out their own personal insights about them. Together, these insights would go onto create stories around the many famous people history has seen. This is organic myth-making.

Till now, the going was good, the UPA kept its winning streak. Come 2010, bad news started for the UPA.

So, you would expect some of the blame to be apportioned to the UPA chairperson, the person who is the puppet-master of Manmohan Singh.Is that what happened?

The biggest news breaks in 2010 were the CWG scam and the 2G scam. On India Today issues about those scams, let alone Sonia Gandhi, even Congress wasn’t there!

Later that year, when Jagan Mohan Reddy was sounding the bugle against Sonia Gandhi after having been pushed to a corner by her, India Todaydid a curious cover story on the equation between him and Sonia Gandhi.

All these years, when Y S Rajashekhar Reddy was around, Jagan’s growth did not pique the interest of this magazine. But it starts doing so only when he shows the temerity to take on Sonia Gandhi.

Also, look at the placement of Sonia as victim, by saying Jagan’s channel launched vituperative attacks on her. So, the subtext is, he deserves what is coming for him, for attacking ‘St. Sonia’.

In 2011, we find that rare India Today cover which is both negative and has Sonia Gandhi featured.

The clouds of doom looming large over the Congress are too undeniable even for India Today.Yet again, remember, whenever there is something negative, Sonia Gandhi is never alone, she always shares space with Manmohan Singh or someone else. Also, the attack is never against her, despite the well established fact that nothing happened in the government without her go-ahead.

However, by October 2011, there was a way to spin Sonia Gandhi out of all the negativity, by painting her as a victim. ‘How Ill Is Mrs Gandhi?’ is the title cover. After all, if she is so ill, she cannot be seen as responsible for the double digit inflation and astronomical scams unfolding in her government, can she?

In 2012, Sonia Gandhi is still a poor victim trapped in a corner by wily hinterland politicians Mulayam and Mamata. Again, a poor victim, nothing more.

In the same year, India Today says that UPA is losing India. It also says there’s a black mark due to coal scam as well as reports on Robert Vadra’s ‘unreal estate’.

But look at the covers. Who’s the UPA chairperson? Who was the number 1 when coal scam happened? You would never know.

Thankfully, they do mention whose son-in-law Robert Vadra is.

April 2014. The writing on the wall is clear. But who is the failure and the loser?

Manmohan Singh.

But hadn’t India Today called him Sonia’s PM? So, he was Sonia’s PM when things were good, but a lonely failure when things weren’t; Sonia Gandhi’s image protected no matter what.

But in 2015, with the loss firmly behind, blame particularly apportioned to everyone else but Sonia Gandhi, ‘Project St Sonia’ is back.

“Mother's mission: With Rahul still missing in action, Sonia Gandhi steps up to lead the Congress from the front. Will her firefighting salvage the party?”, says their synopsis.

The usage of mother’s mission to give a soft glow, the idea of her firefighting to show that she is a ‘fighter’, all are illustrative. When the mere mortals of the Congress cannot run the show, out comes ‘St. Sonia’.

Stories about Sonia Gandhi’s alleged scams begin to tumble out in 2016 with Agusta Westland. But it’s not about Sonia Gandhi’s involvement, but about BJP ‘targeting’ her.

India Today, in this edition, says it is decoding the BJP’s strategy to pin the blame for Agusta Westland scam on the Congress president.

The takeaway – blame is being pinned upon her. It’s just a BJP strategy. Poor ‘St. Sonia’ is being targeted for political vendetta.

Come March 2018, Sonia Gandhi features on India Today’s cover along with Hillary Clinton; after all, ‘St. Sonia’s’ true league is as a ‘global leader’ despite being reduced to 44 seats in India.

Look into this speech that Mr Aroon Purie gave at this conclave, in the presence of Sonia Gandhi, filled with words such as “Grand Old Party's Prime Protector” , “supreme leader”, “Mother Courage”, “ultimate negotiator”, “a sense of service, selflessness and sacrifice”.

Did you observe that in all these years, there were no covers regarding the sensational National Herald scam where Sonia Gandhi is ‘Accused Number 1’ and is out on bail?

This is how organised myth-making works.

In fact, while India Today was a trailblazer of sorts in building this halo around Sonia Gandhi, it wasn’t only India Today who did it. They just look like the leader of the pack.

For example, here is what Sevanti Ninan in The Hoot notes on the myth-making around Sonia Gandhi’s ‘renunciation’ of the PM post.

You have a government and ruling party with two power centres. It is truly extraordinary how little writing and comment there has been on this precedent. The press has been so caught up in playing up the renunciation story that is has been seduced into believing that it is the full story. And have we all lost our sense of perspective that we buy the Sonia Gandhi-Mahatma Gandhi comparison without realising how bizarre it is?

Further, Ninan writes, “On the day of her "renunciation" it [Hindustan Times] had an enormous picture of her with the headline, "Amazing Grace. " Over the top, to put it mildly. It also wrote an editorial titled "Turning it Down," roughly in the same vein as the Hindu’s editorial "Stunning Political Sacrifice." (May 19, both.)”

Sonia Gandhi was being compared to Mahatma Gandhi, can you imagine that?

As we saw above, this fawning start was only the beginning of gushing coverage of Sonia Gandhi over the last decade and a half, where she was made a saint above all politics and criticism.

Today, when she is criticised, no wonder that the same people would find it unacceptable.

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 06 May 2020 08:25

KLNMurthy wrote:

Also, in light of Lilo's post quoted here, it was quite likely that it was soon understood that his basic loyalties lay outside India's interests, no doubt "bought" by flattery and flattering appointments and emoluments.)


There's another post of Lilo ji, which I couldn't find where SuSu is advocating bringing Intelligence Agencies under oversight of parliamentary committees WHICH USA WANTS TO IMPLEMENT IN INDIA FOR LONG TIME.

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Postby Sachin » 06 May 2020 10:03

KLNMurthy wrote:I don't think any particular action by the government can be tagged as *the* one that caused the loss of control of the messaging.

My gut feeling is that COVID-19 bandobust is only going to increase the credibility of Modi & Co. One thing, the central government has clearly co-opted the states in making the bandobust scheme. So no state can blame the central government and escape; though many have tried doing that.

Where the central government perhaps should improve is on the matter of issuing government orders, circulars etc. The opposition "secular" parties generally are seen focusing on one thing; that is free money. Using the excuse of "poor people" the BIF is trying to bring up the money (and free this-or-that) aspects to what ever GoI is doing. That being kept in mind, the recent Indian Railway circular/orders were a disaster. If IR expected passengers to pay the fares; they should have told that in black and white. Same goes for the air fare for bringing people from the middle eastern sheikdoms etc. I will be very frank; many Indians still expect every thing under the sun to be given to them for free. Every man made or natural disaster only increase this feeling.

Bankrupt states like Kerala (and GoKL) is always whining about free money. Earlier they whined that KL state is ready to take back all its migrant population just if central government allows people to be flown in :roll:. Now that the flights are coming in; GoKL has got stumped. So now the new whine is the ticket costs have to be born by the central government. They are now not mentioning on how the state plans to quarantine the people who fly in. IR clarified that if any state government wants to bring back people of the state from other states, they should work out a financial deal with the railways. States like Orissa did it. Kerala has done nothing, when there are lots of Keralites stranded in places like Mahrashtra.

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Postby chetak » 06 May 2020 13:33

Manish_Sharma wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:

Also, in light of Lilo's post quoted here, it was quite likely that it was soon understood that his basic loyalties lay outside India's interests, no doubt "bought" by flattery and flattering appointments and emoluments.)


There's another post of Lilo ji, which I couldn't find where SuSu is advocating bringing Intelligence Agencies under oversight of parliamentary committees WHICH USA WANTS TO IMPLEMENT IN INDIA FOR LONG TIME.



bringing Intelligence Agencies under some form of oversight is a universal demand in democratic countries. Some countries do and many countries don't subscribe to this view.

regarding WHICH USA WANTS TO IMPLEMENT IN INDIA FOR LONG TIME.

please provide a link or context or statement from the US govt to substantiate this

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 06 May 2020 14:05

why is this urban naxal being given so much of leeway

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Postby Karan M » 06 May 2020 16:55

BJP/establishment is playing 400x chunkian earth-e-shaster chess with all its opponents by fooling them by not using state power, so they get confused and commit more crimes, so then BJP does nothing which is even more chunkian, earth-e-shaster and will allow Modi ji to go for jugular vein in 2034 after he gets 500 seats.

PS: yes i know court court matter onlee but of course TT is so doodh ka dhoola that this establishment couldnt find anything else either

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Postby vishvak » 06 May 2020 17:07

For the masses it is similar to that bollywood movie mother India where the bad boi is going to kidnap newly married woman and his momma shots him dead. Otherwise it stops at first line duniya me aaye he to jina hi padega and that's about it. Same for MJAkbar.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 06 May 2020 19:15

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/n ... 34252.html
Rajamata has spoken!!!
Listen all U dimwits :D

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 06 May 2020 19:19

Agreed that Namo gives interviews to select few Journos.
Does any Journo has the guts to interview either 'Rajmata' or the 'Yuvraj Ydhistrr'
And ask some serious questions about economy/revival of it/some number crunching etc
Love to the be 'Fly on the Wall' at such an interview and listen to the original stuff before editing and publishing :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby Ambar » 06 May 2020 20:47

Karan M wrote:BJP/establishment is playing 400x chunkian earth-e-shaster chess with all its opponents by fooling them by not using state power, so they get confused and commit more crimes, so then BJP does nothing which is even more chunkian, earth-e-shaster and will allow Modi ji to go for jugular vein in 2034 after he gets 500 seats.

PS: yes i know court court matter onlee but of course TT is so doodh ka dhoola that this establishment couldnt find anything else either


Once again it comes down to ecosystem or the lack of it. Congress has built and benefited from a western-islamist-leftist ecosystem for over 80 years and it is a 110 story tall building, the RW/nationalist ecosystem is still at the 2nd floor with scaffolding, unplastered, unpainted walls, brick and mortar lying all over..it will take time for an equally tall and powerful structure to be built. The conservative movement is quite old in europe and the US, but even there the right always seems to play catch up with the left. Those who control the voice, controls the narrative. Capture media and bollywood first and then go after the BIF politicians,islamo-supremacists,marxists etc.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby CRamS » 06 May 2020 22:04

Reading that disgusting tweet from Saba, one question popped up. Have Islamists like her, Shabana Azmi, Javed Akhtar etc spoken up against secessionist demands of KMs? Have they ever spoken in high decibel tones on Paki terror against India and in the Kashmir valley? Have they ever admonished Islamist scum in a fraction of the hateful tone they use to attack BJP, RSS, YoigiJi, ModiJi etc.

Not that I want them to, but one can gauge the ideology of people from what they don't say when compared with what they do say.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 06 May 2020 22:12

Is Saba Naqvi in any way related to the odious marxist-islamist Jawed Naqvi of the 'Dawn' fame ?

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Postby madhu » 06 May 2020 22:19

Ambar wrote:Is Saba Naqvi in any way related to the odious marxist-islamist Jawed Naqvi of the 'Dawn' fame ?

Saba being a shia why so much support to sunni? Is it not that she is digging her own grave...

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Postby suryag » 06 May 2020 22:20

One of the new lines of thought peddled by BIF(now that the truth about peace loving Ms is out, very chanakianly, they are now using the same Ms that they supported earlier to support breakage of the country) and their unwitting p-sec loving crowd recently is that Ms are gone case, this nation's faultlines are all there to see and it is an artificial construct of a nation that we are living in. Basically, I see all the warning signs of an impending high visibility clash coming up and mark my words this will slowly gain currency in the p-sec pasand media and peddled in different forms.

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Postby Prem » 06 May 2020 22:52

madhu wrote:
Ambar wrote:Is Saba Naqvi in any way related to the odious marxist-islamist Jawed Naqvi of the 'Dawn' fame ?

Saba being a shia why so much support to sunni? Is it not that she is digging her own grave...


AFAIK,His brother's daughter.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Ambar wrote:Is Saba Naqvi in any way related to the odious marxist-islamist :lol: :lol: Jawed Naqvi of the 'Dawn' fame ?

Ambarji I thought that was an Oxymoron :rotfl:
Either Marxist or an Islamist!!

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 07 May 2020 00:32

madhu wrote:
Ambar wrote:Is Saba Naqvi in any way related to the odious marxist-islamist Jawed Naqvi of the 'Dawn' fame ?

Saba being a shia why so much support to sunni? Is it not that she is digging her own grave...

Madhuji
Correct me if I am wrong : so is Owaisi!!
But that doesn't stop him being anti-India when it suits him!! :)

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 07 May 2020 01:06

Rsatchi wrote:
Ambar wrote:Is Saba Naqvi in any way related to the odious marxist-islamist :lol: :lol: Jawed Naqvi of the 'Dawn' fame ?

Ambarji I thought that was an Oxymoron :rotfl:
Either Marxist or an Islamist!!


Quite the contrary,the radical left and radical islam are natural allies. The former uses the later for its ability to create chaos and the later uses the former for intellectual cover. Javed Naqvi is a card carrying member of the communist party, there have been others like the poet Kaifi Azmi (Shabana's father) was also a prominent communist leader, Majrooh Sultanpuri was another one, and the famous paki poet Faiz Ahmad Faiz were all staunch communists and islamists at the same time.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 07 May 2020 01:25

Leftist Link Emerges In Palghar Sadhus’ Lynching, CPM Leader Accused Of Gathering Armed Mob: Report


by Swarajya Staff -

May 06 2020,

Leftist Link Emerges In Palghar Sadhus’ Lynching, CPM Leader Accused Of Gathering Armed Mob: Report


A leftist link has now emerged in the brutal lynching and murder of Sadhus in Maharashtra’s Palghar wherein a CPM gram panchayat member has been accused of gathering a mob and the modus operandi in the lynching was similar to that employed by Naxals, Times Now has reported.

Local tribals have also alleged that the youths in the region are being brainwashed by leftists.

As per the report, an FIR lodged in the matter by Son Police alleges that a local CPM gram panchayat member gathered a mob armed with sticks and stones to attack the Sadhus. The Gandchinchle village is said to be a leftist stronghold dominated by the the CPM.

The FIR also claims that roads were blocked by cutting trees and placing boulders which is a common Naxal modus operandi.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 07 May 2020 01:55

Rsatchi wrote:
madhu wrote:Saba being a shia why so much support to sunni? Is it not that she is digging her own grave...

Madhuji
Correct me if I am wrong : so is Owaisi!!
But that doesn't stop him being anti-India when it suits him!! :)


He is a sunni (of the sufi kind). These guys trace their ancestry to a character of the same name from some moth-eaten place in Yemen.

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Postby KJo » 07 May 2020 02:12

KL Dubey wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:Madhuji
Correct me if I am wrong : so is Owaisi!!
But that doesn't stop him being anti-India when it suits him!! :)


He is a sunni (of the sufi kind). These guys trace their ancestry to a character of the same name from some moth-eaten place in Yemen.


I am very skeptical about this ancestry stuff. Almost every peacefool I have talked to proudly claims to be a descendant of the Brophet. :roll: Yes, even Indian Peacefools. Many of the new converts needed some H&D infusion so they made up a story and appended Qureshi and Syed to their names and wallah! became related to the Brophet.

Most of them are experts at playing the double game. Abdullah Jr is always playing India against Pakistan until Modi/Shah cut him off at the knees. Mehbooba also. Owaisi is more chaaloo, he dramatically poses to be pro India so that his chamchas can point to incidents where he defended India but he in reality he wants to partition India into another Islamic state. They all are the same, just have different modus-operandi. And if you call their bluff, they use the words that goras are petrified about: "Islamophobic" or "Racist". Nowadins it is liberally thrown about on SM. If you question a peacefool, you are Islamophobic.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vayutuvan » 07 May 2020 03:18

Rsatchi wrote:Ambarji I thought that was an Oxymoron :rotfl:
Either Marxist or an Islamist!!

In fact the latest incarnation of these folks is Chrislamaoists, a trifecta of three fundamental religions. :rotfl:

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sanjaykumar » 07 May 2020 04:57

https://www.opindia.com/2020/05/hindu-d ... istianity/
A remarkable observation by a German.

In Germany we have an old saying that the Pope makes people stupid (and the King makes them poor).


But in India they believe the Pope makes one holy and the Christian king will definitely make them rich.


As I have said Western Christians are superior to third world Christians.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Manish_Sharma » 07 May 2020 07:46

Rsatchi wrote:
madhu wrote:Saba being a shia why so much support to sunni? Is it not that she is digging her own grave...

Madhuji
Correct me if I am wrong : so is Owaisi!!
But that doesn't stop him being anti-India when it suits him!! :)


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asaduddin_Owaisi

He is sunni according to wiki:
Owaisi was born in a Sunni Muslim family[5] to Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi and Najmunnisa Begum[6] on 13 May 1969. He comes from a political family of Hyderabad.[7] His grandfather Abdul Wahed Owaisi relaunched the political party Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen as All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen 18 September 1957. He also succeeded Qasim Razvi as the party president after he was released from prison.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KL Dubey » 07 May 2020 07:47

KJo wrote:I am very skeptical about this ancestry stuff.


I am not aware of the intricacies of such claims, but to me the question of ancestry and pedigree among such likes seems fundamentally laughable. Ancestry and pedigree stops the day you leave Sanatan Dharma, and will resume only when you regain it.

However, at least these guys are staunchly practising the ways of their claimed ancestors.

I am more wary of non-Hindoos in India who claim to be "moderates" or advertise their ancestry from some Hindoo caste or the other, but don't come back to the fold officially. What are they waiting for ? There are even some who claim they are "more Hindoo in lifestyle than most official Hindoos". What does that mean ? Its like showing up to a party in birthday suit and saying that's OK because you look better than most of the dressed people anyway.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 07 May 2020 10:53

Ambar wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:Ambarji I thought that was an Oxymoron :rotfl:
Either Marxist or an Islamist!!


Quite the contrary,the radical left and radical islam are natural allies. The former uses the later for its ability to create chaos and the later uses the former for intellectual cover. Javed Naqvi is a card carrying member of the communist party, there have been others like the poet Kaifi Azmi (Shabana's father) was also a prominent communist leader, Majrooh Sultanpuri was another one, and the famous paki poet Faiz Ahmad Faiz were all staunch communists and islamists at the same time.

Ambarji
Carrying a card means nothing.
It is just a cover!!
It is all 'Taqiyya'
So they are basically islamists!!!

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Aditya_V » 07 May 2020 11:55

Rather Hindus on the left are in employment of Radical Islam ISIS types- I think that would be accurate?

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vishvak » 07 May 2020 14:38

Firstly the pseudo secular know well that the exclusive ideologies are not going towards live and let live environment so all this make believe world of giving cover but it is our job not to get involved as heatheins pegeins at receiving end. And also not let international movements hijacked by interested parties doing their own kabila thing.
Aditya_V wrote:Rather Hindus on the left are in employment of Radical Islam ISIS types- I think that would be accurate?


More like minority in India specific few are majority outside which is missed basically but to say that leftists are in employment of radical islam would be incorrect. Perhaps results of who is financing newspapers, for example, which is also why we should be careful when economy progresses and not let religious orgs get involved.
There are even some who claim they are "more Hindoo in lifestyle than most official Hindoos".

In paki poonjab, the Sikhs are in no better shape despite Khalistan propaganda outside. More like reinterpretation to get footholds before next stage of holier than though. Like ganga jamuni culture perhaps.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 07 May 2020 14:55

^^^^^^^

per wiki


19th century German philosopher Karl Marx, the founder and primary theorist of Marxism viewed religion as "the soul of soulless conditions" or the "opium of the people". At the same time, Marx saw religion as a form of protest by the working classes against their poor economic conditions and their alienation.[1] In the Marxist–Leninist interpretation, all modern religions and churches are considered as "organs of bourgeois reaction" used for "the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class". Due to this, a number of Marxist–Leninist governments in the 20th century, such as the Soviet Union after Vladimir Lenin and the People's Republic of China under Mao Zedong, implemented rules introducing state atheism.


So in europe, christianity was the natural enemy of communism and so christianity became the focus of hatred of these lumpen commie hordes.

thus here in India, the commies found Hinduism and made it the prime target of their hatred as religion was the antithesis to their evolution as well as the propagation of their vile philosophy.

when communism spread in India, it sought out that natural enemy that dominated the local environment and landscape. By its very bigoted philosophy of class war, communism needs an enemy to rail against and so in India, over a period of time, it fine tuned its attack and cherry picked "patriarchy", "brahminism", "dravidians", "caste system", "manuwadi" etc and thecommies were instrumental in the complete whitewashing of the history of the violent islamic and xtian invasions and the associated brutal consequences of the inquisitions and genocides.

not surprisingly, they quickly found their Indian allies, with the very same anti Hindu hatred frame of mind from among their enemies outside of India: xtianity and islam.

India is the only country in the world where communism, xtianity and islam are closely aligned in their common hatred for Hinduism and so act in concert with one another to take down the Hindus.

The explosive revival of Hindutwa has completely blindsided all of them because it is a black swan.

Hindutwa has gone from a philosophy shyly and almost apologetically meandering around the rarefied outer fringes of sickular commie/xtian/islam dominated social context to a "right in your face", majority awakening narrative that has completely caught the BIF on the wrong foot

anybody who thinks that communism is not a religion are only fooling themselves.

communism has all the characteristics of the desert cults including the unquestioned and unquestionable infallibility of the supreme head and it has a single book just like the rest

Communists are equally guilty of forced conversions just like the other two

such an inglorious and unholy trinity exists nowhere else in the world as these three are usually at each other's throats in every other country

that's why all three hate Hindutwa as it poses an existential threat to their conversion and divisive activities.

all desert cults are politically aware and actively seek political power to push their agendas, just like communism does.

shaheenbagh is the first of a common fightback to reassert their lost prepotent power balance and domineering status of being able to set the dominant narrative

wherever in power, in places like KER, if you think about it carefully, it even has a pope just like it had popes' in bengal named jyothi basu and others, complete with the college of cardinals, the rascals of the politburo, and last but not least, not to mention their extraterritorial affiliations and loyalities.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ArjunPandit » 07 May 2020 16:34

https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 523822.ece
seems like some realignment is underway

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rsatchi » 07 May 2020 17:10

^^^
'At each stop he ( meaning Khalilzad), will urge support for immediate reduction in violence, yada yada'
so In Delhi will he ask us to stop hitting Pakis???
What reduction in violence can we offer???
And later he is going to Slumbad!!!
I think Pakis want Khan to ask Namo to give them breathing space and not keep the LOC hot!!!
Pretty sure there is some serious things going on at the border.
And Baba Banaras is off line to give any second hand tidbits!!! as well.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 07 May 2020 18:37

Now only GJ would get rid of mafia networks running for decades and helped spreading virus... Virus piggybacked on liquor in GJ long before other states. Too much for fake dry state.


Gujarat Principal Health Secretary Dr Jayanti Ravi, sidelined now, was once handpicked by Sonia Gandhi for NAC under UPA 1
https://www.opindia.com/2020/05/dr-jaya ... andhi-nac/

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 07 May 2020 18:42

Rsatchi wrote:^^^
'At each stop he ( meaning Khalilzad), will urge support for immediate reduction in violence, yada yada'
so In Delhi will he ask us to stop hitting Pakis???
What reduction in violence can we offer???
And later he is going to Slumbad!!!
I think Pakis want Khan to ask Namo to give them breathing space and not keep the LOC hot!!!
Pretty sure there is some serious things going on at the border.
And Baba Banaras is off line to give any second hand tidbits!!! as well.



zalmay Khalilzad is a pashtun snake oil salesman whom no one trusts and is an ameriki citizen.

be interesting to see what he is peddling this time around.

for sure, paki matters concerning India are mixed up somewhere in all this.

probably conveying trump sab's aadesh to Modi to go easy on niazi.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 07 May 2020 22:01

To those familiar with the region how bad is the situation in Vizag ? I truly hope its nowhere near as bad as Bhopal gas tragedy. Whatsapp is a true scourge of our times that spreads so much negativity through gory images of every tragedy.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 07 May 2020 23:41

Ambar wrote:To those familiar with the region how bad is the situation in Vizag ? I truly hope its nowhere near as bad as Bhopal gas tragedy. Whatsapp is a true scourge of our times that spreads so much negativity through gory images of every tragedy.


10 people died and around 1000 hospitalized


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