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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 12 Oct 2020 22:29

vera_k wrote:^ Article is silent about what use was permitted. It's possible that park use was permitted, which would be fine. OTOH, if industrial use was permitted, that not be appropriate. It seems the author of the article has a vested interest in allowing industrial use of the land via the metro project.


NGOs have become weaponized these days because of the liberals and fiberals supporting them locally as well as the uncounted funds flowing in for their BIF projects

ropers and rolers will not expend any resources for "park use" of the land.

they haven't shown their hand as yet and that only means that something devious is being planned.

just like the hans, rome raj has patience.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby hnair » 12 Oct 2020 22:43

Ambar wrote:. Tanishq is not the problem but jewelry companies like Jos Alukkas, Malabar Gold etc are a direct threat to national security.


The last one is scary and it’s MD is no way the man in control - he talks like a crackhead in person.

Tata House is as much an insider of Indian establishment as any. In fact they kind of hold a position of pride in the Indian national security pantheon since the TIFR strategic ecosystem was setup. The group had a pivotal role in many things we take pride in today, in strategic sector.

When Buddha smiled, Mrs Gandhi took along JRD to Pokharan and when Shakti shook the earth, PM Vajpayee took along Ratan Tata. When the a boom happens with a tri-cobalt device, I expect a Tata standing with the Indian PM of the day at the observation window looking at a shattered asteroid or something. In fact I suspect Ratan-sir is back because the younger gent was probably transforming it into an oiropean one and dilli got discomfort.

So darshan, easy on such posts - they had taken back the ad, once it came to their notice. Probably up for legal review, but it is more than what one can expect from other conglomerates.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Jarita » 12 Oct 2020 23:17

The Tata conglomerate of RD is not the Tata conglomerate of JRD. Look at the media houses they are invested in. They are squarely on the side of BIF forces. The only reason RD does not talk openly like Bajaj is because there is too much on him. Otherwise they are squarely part of the Congress ecosystem and with this generation, perhaps not of nationalist inclination.
The conglomerates are as much beneficiaries of the largesse of Indian state as the Indian state might have gained from them. They are what they are because of the cheap land resources, hard work and the blood and sweat of Bharat.
We make gods of these people in India. They are public servants and they owe this great civilization. As such, their betrayal is much greater than that of an average person.
Better take the Tata sheen off. Fool me once, fool me twice... this Tanishq episode is part of a long list.

India owes nothing to the Tatas. Stop putting them on a pedestal when they have struck blow after blow of late.
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby suryag » 12 Oct 2020 23:19

The Indian "Global times" newspaper now seems to have gone behind pay walll, so much for socialism


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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 13 Oct 2020 00:11

Ambar wrote:Tanishq pulls its so called "communal harmony" ad after internet outrage.

https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/tanishq ... -jihad-ad/

I am glad even if slowly but surely more and more people are identifying the subtle psychops on TV and in our movies.


Even the pull out will be used by left gangs and media to blame BJP

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby suryag » 13 Oct 2020 00:12

Classic psy ops tactics in putting these numbers to show BJP as the single largest party now JDU will.start sabotaging their alliance partner in a few seats

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Jarita » 13 Oct 2020 00:14

vijayk wrote:
Ambar wrote:Tanishq pulls its so called "communal harmony" ad after internet outrage.

https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/tanishq ... -jihad-ad/

I am glad even if slowly but surely more and more people are identifying the subtle psychops on TV and in our movies.


Even the pull out will be used by left gangs and media to blame BJP



Let them blame. Who cares? Let the whole friggin world blame. We should revel in that.
The sheer audacity is barf worthy. Coming on close heels, that Tamil movie rip-off with Akshay Kumar which has the same character mix up.

Coming soon, a Tanishq ad showing the descendent of Hol^&^(&*t victim lovingly escorted to her maternal home but a family that is descended from "N&*is". These are the kind of liberties they are taking. This is the scale of audacity.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 13 Oct 2020 00:22

Jarita wrote:The Tata conglomerate of RD is not the Tata conglomerate of JRD. Look at the media houses they are invested in. They are squarely on the side of BIF forces. The only reason RD does not talk openly like Bajaj is because there is too much on him. Otherwise they are squarely part of the Congress ecosystem and with this generation, perhaps not of nationalist inclination.
The conglomerates are as much beneficiaries of the largesse of Indian state as the Indian state might have gained from them. They are what they are because of the cheap land resources, hard work and the blood and sweat of Bharat.
We make gods of these people in India. They are public servants and they owe this great civilization. As such, their betrayal is much greater than that of an average person.
Better take the Tata sheen off. Fool me once, fool me twice... this Tanishq episode is part of a long list.

India owes nothing to the Tatas. Stop putting them on a pedestal when they have struck blow after blow of late.


I am genuinely curious if any large Indian conglomerate could survive by antagonizing the Congress ecosystem post independence . Congress controlled and to this day controls the bureaucracy, the judiciary, much of the media, the law enforcement and the money bags through PSU banks and financial institutes, for businessmen to be on the wrong side of such a powerful entity would be suicidal , especially so in the 50s to 90s. JRD Tata chose Ratan Tata, and there is nothing which would indicate the Tata family (or what remains of it today) would have benefited from breaking up India or working with India's enemies. From power generation, locomotives, airlines, minerals, military logistics to healthcare & education, Tata's contribution to India is unparalleled. Sure, they have also grown fabulously wealthy but that's capitalism.

If you really think Ratan Tata in his 80s now picked up the phone, instructed N Chandrasekaran to ask his Tanishq brand managers to produce a "love jihad" themed advertisement then there isn't much for me to say. Tata is a mega conglomerate with hundreds of companies and millions of employees, the chairman or people at the C-level dont overlook & approve the content of every ad from table salt to a 30 lakh rupee SUV. The Tanishq mischief seems to be handy work of a Bangalore based Tanishq marketing executive by name Mansoon Khan. Btw, Tata Sons created 'Rising Phoenix' trust fund days after 26/11 to help the employees and their families of Taj Hotel after the heinous attack. The fund is functional to this day helping Tata's employees get back on their feet and support their families. You'll only have to talk someone who's lived in Jamshedpur to know what Tata means to them.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 13 Oct 2020 00:32

^^ +1

There are too many BIF gangs who have been trained in jihad/destroy India/ridicule India systematically. All of this filth is now taking over media and want to inject venom into every possible scenario. They are focused on one and only one thing: Promote take over of Islam/Xnity and help break India. They don't waver on their goal. If Tata or someone who employed them fires or cuts off contract with that group, they may learn a lesson. But no one thinks thru these things.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Jarita » 13 Oct 2020 00:37

Why do you believe Indian's owe anything to the Tata conglomerate? Study how much land has been given to them for free. That the people in Jamshedpur are grateful to the Tata's is a reflection of the Indian mindset of "loyalty" rather than what Indian's owe to them. Ask the Tribal communities of the Eastern states what they feel about the Tata's and what they owe them.
The Tata family happened to be at the right place and at the right time. The opium trade and association with the British gave them the funds. Yes the first few generations did not betray the country but that speaks to our abysmally low expectations that those who benefitted from this country and in return gave something back (through public backing) are so venerated. There are other corporate families who may have not benefitted from such largesse of the congress system because they were too Hindu, too brown skinned and did not speak with a tony accent. India is not America. We are more similar to the far east in this regard.
I am not referring to a mere Tanishq ad. Please look at media like Quint etc and see how vitriolic they are. Look at that TISS. Look at the investments in the UK - if they can bail them out, why not Indian employees. A small time brand manager can only be emboldened if he is part of a wider ecosystem within the corp that encourages this. This is not a one off.
I understand your POV because my parents generation also has this mindset of veneration and speaking of people respectfully while glossing over civilizational crimes - it comes from a good place. Frankly the only allegiance we should hold is that too our civilization. Even a good family can turn rotten. Look at the products of army families.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby hnair » 13 Oct 2020 00:55

Jarita wrote:India owes nothing to the Tatas. Stop putting them on a pedestal when they have struck blow after blow of late.


Likewise, stop developing a McCarthy mentality! Seeing a commie under every chair and kicking off the chair from under its occupant is what the Indian-leftie wants off its opponents.

Condemning everything that survived the Congress years and in this case, trash something that actually did contribute substantially to wide range of Indian success stories. Does not seem a good idea. As an example, Thyssen-Krupp is still a revered German group, despite it developing some of the most devastating (and storied) weapons of both World Wars and allegations by Anglo-Saxons of Krupps being too close to the Reich and its grossly inhuman practices. Anyways, the Tatas have been far more apolitical than the Reliance bhais have been during that era.

And bringing in their religion is also counter productive - those guys are far more inward looking than even yehoodis and they dont even encourage marriage outside let alone love-jihad type evils. So dont respect them based on your personal beliefs, but dont pull them down needlessly, based on what, as Ambar pointed out, a fraction of their vast empire is doing. Those guys have been trolling china (and making tons of moolah) before it was considered cool, like a century and half before.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 13 Oct 2020 01:18



which is exactly as per the plan and here's hoping that they get a majority on their own.

hope that it comes through and they defang nitishwa for good :mrgreen:

does anyone happen to know if that tukde tukde naxal gangster kanhaiya kumar is standing this time or not.

hopefully, he gets to meet the same fate as the last time

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 13 Oct 2020 01:31

Remember the Iranian Sarkies brothers who built a hotel empire in the 19th century in South East Asia which includes properties like the famous Raffles Hotel in Singapore ? Despite being Iranians they wouldn't let any asians as guests into their luxury hotels, it was only for dining and accommodation of the europeans. Tatas built the Taj hotels where Asians, Europeans or any one with money was allowed entrance. If we are to talk about the tribal communities in eastern states and how Tatas stole their lands, then we may as well call the Singur agitation which led to Tata plant moving from WB to GJ a remarkable success for employment, development and environment to benefit the oppressed masses in Bengal. After all this hatred for big business is what the Bengali communists have been propagating for a century now. As for Tatas investments in some obscure online media portals like The Wire etc. a company with over 150 billion USD in market cap and million + employees will easily have thousands of managers with enough authority to move a 1 cr payment towards some media house.

hnairji, not only Thyssen-Krupp, Diamler Benz, BMW, Ford, IBM etc all had dealings with the nazis even after the war started. Heck VW and Diamler trucks were used to gas people to death. What's funny is that the Congress and its supporters never tire of tying Ambani and Adani to BJP and Modi, the truth is Ambani and Adani grew incredibly wealthy when Congress was in power, and the growth in their business has considerably slowed in the last 6 yrs. There are no big business houses in India that has survived after taking on the Congress ecosystem. There's an excellent interview of JRD Tata with Rajiv Mehrotra in the 80s, and JRD even with his trademark amicable, measured, sophisticated way of speaking lets slip his opinion on Nehru, Indira and Congress.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 13 Oct 2020 02:30

hnair wrote:
Jarita wrote:India owes nothing to the Tatas. Stop putting them on a pedestal when they have struck blow after blow of late.


Likewise, stop developing a McCarthy mentality! Seeing a commie under every chair and kicking off the chair from under its occupant is what the Indian-leftie wants off its opponents.

Condemning everything that survived the Congress years and in this case, trash something that actually did contribute substantially to wide range of Indian success stories. Does not seem a good idea. As an example, Thyssen-Krupp is still a revered German group, despite it developing some of the most devastating (and storied) weapons of both World Wars and allegations by Anglo-Saxons of Krupps being too close to the Reich and its grossly inhuman practices. Anyways, the Tatas have been far more apolitical than the Reliance bhais have been during that era.

And bringing in their religion is also counter productive - those guys are far more inward looking than even yehoodis and they dont even encourage marriage outside let alone love-jihad type evils. So dont respect them based on your personal beliefs, but dont pull them down needlessly, based on what, as Ambar pointed out, a fraction of their vast empire is doing. Those guys have been trolling china (and making tons of moolah) before it was considered cool, like a century and half before.


the tata's must be literally commissioning hundreds of such ads every year across their business empire.

so the tata guys slipped up on one of their ads and have now learned what to look out for. It's not such a big deal.

It's the ad agency that did this on the sly to push what they thought was subliminal cultural messaging and to reinforce subtly, the primacy of the invader's identity. It's easy to see how a smart ad guy would have pitched it one way and once approved by the client, gone out and shot it his jehadi way, with just a few subtle twists thrown in, oh so innocently, to make sure that the cultural superiority mesage came through.

assuming that the tata's didn't know, the ad agency would have known for sure because its their primary job to track customer trends and responsibility to adapt communication strategy to market preferences prevailing by being contextually sensitized and socially aware.

the ad per se is a routine one, aimed at a specific and hip target audience, the characters are all impossibily chocolatey and robot like, neutral toned, pastel colored, and fair. the ad is a slickly produced number where even the cockroaches, if shown, would be shown tastefully groomed, aspirationally non jarring and geographically non specific for wider audience appeal.

if this very ad ran in the US with an all white cast and a black pregnant bride, it would be slammed and white shamed for being culturally insensitive. There they would need the bride to be white and pregnant and the rest of the cast all black, especially after the BLM violence, which was probably their equivalent of shaheen bagh.

If shaheen bagh hadn't happened and their jinnah jehadi mask also hadn't slipped for all to see their bared yellowing fangs, this ad would have easily passed muster.

But, after shaheen bagh, cultural sensitives have heightened and offence is now far more easily taken. The once, "taken for granted customer" is saying we matter more, so sellers, behave yourselves.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 13 Oct 2020 02:40

jatka meat shops have started to come up in dilli.

This is one sure way to break the vice like grip of the halal mafia.

and about time too. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KJo » 13 Oct 2020 02:43

chetak wrote:if this very ad ran in the US with an all white cast and a black pregnant bride, it would be slammed and white shamed for being culturally insensitive. There they would need the bride to be white and pregnant and the rest of the cast all black, especially after the BLM violence, which was probably their equivalent of shaheen bagh.


I'm already noticing here in the US many ads featuring a white female married to a black male with a blackish kid and going about their lives. The messaging is subtle but clear. I don't see any change in the few ads with a black female and white male.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Jarita » 13 Oct 2020 03:18

^^^ Yes, however given Indian historical realities this ad is akin to an African American woman married into a plantation type family. Infact, closer still would be someone from one of the Native American tribes getting married into a scalper family.
For our population, our territory has been shrunk to a large reservation and constant cannibalistic demands are being made on our culture and resources.

On the Tatas, no one is disregarding JRD's contribution to India. They are indeed an institution and a nation is built on institutions such as these.
However, it is very fair to question the current generation. We don't have to pay continuous obeisance for years to come and turn a blind eye for some invisible debt. Please do not expect future Indian generations to think like that. I hope not. No more on this.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 13 Oct 2020 04:03

Jarita wrote:^^^ Yes, however given Indian historical realities this ad is akin to an African American woman married into a plantation type family. Infact, closer still would be someone from one of the Native American tribes getting married into a scalper family.

The complete example would be to say that she was getting married into a scalper family to eventually to be scalped or worse.

I believe the answer to this Tata issue is in Gita. Either you're on the side of dharma or you're not. No conglomerate excuse. Enemy doesn't allow such excuses on their side. Hindus are always eager to find a justification to let things pass. No lesson learned from Somnath.

So far heads haven't rolled at Tanishq so no judgement to make here. Actions taken so far seem to indicate that they expect sizable of their customer base to be islamists.

Islamists to Farsi community should be what Nazis are to Jewish.

Table turned and many Hindus would have lost their jobs by now from top to bottom.

Added later:
To go corporate way like in US, Tanishq should establish a fund for the victims of love jihad, commit funds to increase awareness of love jihad, etc.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Karan M » 13 Oct 2020 04:48

The ad coming at a time when two H kids got murdered for merely being friends with M girls is particularly odious. Also signals a very odious habit in the desi elite crowd to constantly peddle hokum and virtues to the heathen H crowd who apparently need to be civilized. Some amount of blowback is to be expected.

I'd also sell my B-shares, the gents who make the autorickshaws - that gent is picking way too many fights above his level, for no bloody reason. From that homeopathy silliness then the CV breakout in his factory, to now shooting his mouth off at every turn. His products are also not that great and have a heavy chunk of PRC import, relabel syndrome going on. Sooner or later will get smacked down.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 13 Oct 2020 05:09

Mansoor Khan formerly of Maxmus ad agency and now the 'Brand Manager' for Tanishq jewelry is the brains behind the ad. He has since disabled his twitter and Linkedin accounts. As for Bajaj, his family has been an integral part of the Cong-I ecosystem for decades now. Rahul Bajaj, the former Congress Rajyasabha MP, is known for his motormouth and has an opinion on everything, his son Rajiv only seems to have picked up where his dad left.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 13 Oct 2020 05:22

Ambar wrote:Mansoor Khan formerly of Maxmus ad agency and now the 'Brand Manager' for Tanishq jewelry is the brains behind the ad. He has since disabled his twitter and Linkedin accounts. As for Bajaj, his family has been an integral part of the Cong-I ecosystem for decades now. Rahul Bajaj, the former Congress Rajyasabha MP, is known for his motormouth and has an opinion on everything, his son Rajiv only seems to have picked up where his dad left.


First Red Label then Surf Excel now Tanishq. three companies, three different ad agencies/media managers and all synced on the same invader focused lines

the birds have come home to roost as the jehadis have become target focussed even in their office jobs.

the ummah have been into manipulative social engineering of the Hindus for decades now. especially the pakis, iranians and the saudis using their money as well as economic and religious muscle to brainwash the majority using bollywood and the masala media.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby V_Raman » 13 Oct 2020 05:53

Is it possible to get youtube links for these ads?

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rupesh » 13 Oct 2020 06:04

See below.


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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Jarita » 13 Oct 2020 11:02

On the matter of the Tanishq ad, it is easy to blame one Mansoor Khan but a TV ad is never a one person show. There is a whole creative team and levels and levels of approval. The first few names that come up are Ranjani Krishnaswamy - who talks about a progressive brand and is GM marketing. She is responsible for the template for the next 5 years. The external creative team is WYP brand solutions. They have a huge portfolio of clients ranging from Amazon to Tanishq. Watch their other campaigns.
One has to dig deeper into the Tanishq team.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sanjayc » 13 Oct 2020 12:08

Indian ad agencies are dens of anti-Hinduism, but manage to fly under the radar and quietly release subtle messaging about love jihad, create contempt for Hindu traditions / festivals, and show to Hindus that acceptance of Muslim festivals / traditions is a sign of intellectual sophistication, etc. Here is a specimen who is creative director of an ad agency in Mumbai.

‘I hate Hindus, wanted to spark communal tensions’

Read more at:
https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mum ... aign=cppst

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Jarita » 13 Oct 2020 17:35

People are missing the forest for the trees in the case of the Tanishq ad. The issue is not just about what would happen if the ad gender roles were reversed. The issue is much larger than that.
Heathens/ polytheists/ Hindus have been victims of genocide and resource grab for more than a thousand years. It is incredibly insensitive and malicious to create such messaging. It underlines and celebrates such losses because of the sheer asymmetry of suffering and loss in the last thousand years. You would not make an add of a Native American girl, a Yazidi girl, what is going on here. The argument cannot be if the shoe is reversed. The shoe cannot be reversed. It’s not equal. Imagine holocaust victims and SS family.
There is a whole body of people in marketing and media who have blatant Hindu hatred due to media, Education and Bollywood. It’s no different from a slave hating himself and eulogizing the master. This is the mentality we are dealing with. The slave has internalized the colonizer as a house nigger. Some of them due to weak civilizational foundation have internalized western ideas of freedom while ignoring that these don’t apply on groups like Hindus who have suffered so much genocide and cleansing.
Many Hindus who are asking for the the ad to be flipped around are also missing the point. Ad cannot be flipped around. Even if it is, irrespective of Islamic reaction, it shows the colonizer being accepted. It’s different.

In this hullaballoo about the present Tanishq ad people have missed another recent ad by Tanishq and under the auspices of the same creative group. This one was for Durga Puja. Mimi Chakraborty who is a politician acted as the symbol of Durga/ Bengal. The whole ad is glorious on the surface but is pretty much part of an electoral campaign for the existing regime. It's subliminal where this party represents Bengal, resilience of Bengal, oneness of Bengal. If anyone says that this creative group is not upto deliberate mischief, I've got Howrah bridge to sell you.
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Vips » 13 Oct 2020 17:46

The open agenda of Bollywood of insulting Hindus:

Bollywood’s latest Hinduphobic film - Laxmi Bomb - Questions and answers

Q: Why Laxmi bomb ? Why not Allah bomb? Or Jesus bomb ?
A: *Because, Bollywood can only make fun of Hindus, as Hindus are cowards and won’t mind even if you make fun of their mothers and wives* !!

Q: Why is Laxmi in the name of a film that is to be released around Diwali, the holiest festival for Hindus?
A: *The aim of the film is to cause maximum offence to Hindus to check out their tolerance levels. If this doesn’t prick them, the next film can be made even with scenes where Hindu gods are seen having sex and that will sell more* !!

Q: Why is the hero’s character a Muslim, Asif, when in the Tamil original, the hero was a Hindu?
A: *If the Hero is a Hindu, then none of the Pakistani Jihadis, who are the main patrons of Bollywood, will watch this film and so the producers will lose money* !

Q: When the hero’s name is Asif, why is the heroine’s name Priya? Why not Asifa or Mumtaz?
A: *If the actress’s screen name is Asifa, she cannot wear short skirts and deliver double meaning dialogues. So, it has to be Priya. Also, making inter-religious love story will promote Love Jihad, which will ensure rapid Islamisation of India* !

Q: Why mock transgenders in the whole film before a last-minute glorification?
A: Mocking transgenders is the favourite past time of Pakistanis and the Pakistani audience will love it. This is why! Their glorification at the end is to gain an award !!

Q: Why draw similarities between a ghost and Laxmi Mata?
B: *Bollywood Mullahs are already creating an image that Hindu gods are satanic and this film will reinforce that image ! This movie is produced by a Jihadi, Shabinaa Khan and their main target audience is Pakistan, India’s regressive neighbour where they make fun of Hinduism* .

#Boycottlaxmibomb

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 13 Oct 2020 18:32

sanjayc wrote:Indian ad agencies are dens of anti-Hinduism, but manage to fly under the radar and quietly release subtle messaging about love jihad, create contempt for Hindu traditions / festivals, and show to Hindus that acceptance of Muslim festivals / traditions is a sign of intellectual sophistication, etc. Here is a specimen who is creative director of an ad agency in Mumbai.

‘I hate Hindus, wanted to spark communal tensions’

Read more at:
https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mum ... aign=cppst



The problem is nothing will happen to this low life

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Primus » 13 Oct 2020 18:34

Jarita wrote:On the matter of the Tanishq ad, it is easy to blame one Mansoor Khan but a TV ad is never a one person show. There is a whole creative team and levels and levels of approval. The first few names that come up are Ranjani Krishnaswamy - who talks about a progressive brand and is GM marketing. She is responsible for the template for the next 5 years. The external creative team is WYP brand solutions. They have a huge portfolio of clients ranging from Amazon to Tanishq. Watch their other campaigns.
One has to dig deeper into the Tanishq team.


Indeed.

Anybody who has seen Paatal Lok will remember the clever manipulation and the messaging that is embedded in the series - from subliminal to 'in your face'. You would think the show was produced by Pakis. However, the key players are all Hindu and Brahmin - Kohli's wife being one. This level of self-loathing is astounding and I find it very hard to understand. It is frankly disgusting. I wrote a scathing review on IMBD but they wouldn't allow it.

What is even more disturbing to my mind is the fawning adulation some Hindus seem to have for such material - if you go by the reviews from Indians that is.

Truly, we are our own worst enemies.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 13 Oct 2020 19:09

Jewish won't allow any ad with swastika in it.
Blacks won't allow any ad with swastika in it.

Even though there's no connection. If one even tries to make a connection, it is not more than few decades.

Continual genocides of Hindus by islamists is an ongoing connection for 1000+ years.

No issue can be allowed to be passed for that there's no such slippages at conglomerates when it comes to Jewish and islamists when issuing ads. Would any such ad involving cartoon or aisha make it past due to oversight? Nazi and jewish?

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby m_saini » 13 Oct 2020 19:57

darshan wrote:Jewish won't allow any ad with swastika in it.
Blacks won't allow any ad with swastika in it.

Even though there's no connection. If one even tries to make a connection, it is not more than few decades.

Continual genocides of Hindus by islamists is an ongoing connection for 1000+ years.

No issue can be allowed to be passed for that there's no such slippages at conglomerates when it comes to Jewish and islamists when issuing ads. Would any such ad involving cartoon or aisha make it past due to oversight? Nazi and jewish?


That's simply because Hindus won't ever play victims.

Everyone here agrees that the american left doesn't like hindus because we don't play victims like the muslims or blacks or jews. Why then is it so surprising that there is no outrage when hindus are painted in bad colors?

Hindus either are victims or are not. You don't get to play both sides. I think this has been our main problem since forever, we've been playing the "dhobi ka kutta" from the days of NAM. You either should be powerful enough to not yourself be victimized, like the rolers, or you give in and play victim like the ropers.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 13 Oct 2020 20:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f51iAPa2SRU&feature=emb_title


Selective Tolerance: Saga of Delhi Riots 2020 by Ms Monika Arora



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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 13 Oct 2020 21:15

@Jarita

but something has happened to tanishq :mrgreen:

i don't think that their muslim media manager who has stage managed this love jihad ad fiasco this is going to escape unscathed or maybe even get to keep his job.

no boss is going to tolerate this sort of nonsense from some jehadi type of religiously bigoted, and cultural supremacist employee looking down so contemptuously on his majority customers.

A day after Tanishq ad controversy, Titan stock prices drop by 2.58 per cent


Titan, which owns the Tanishq jewellery brand, did not fare too well at the stock market on Tuesday. Its stock prices fell by 2.58% from Rs. 1,257.55 to Rs. 1,224.35. It was a day after Tanishq faced an outrage on social media due to its culturally insensitive ad glorifying Love Jihad.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Jarita » 13 Oct 2020 21:39

There is a whole class of media types who believe that this ad was about social harmony and amity while completely ignoring the asymmetry and atrocities suffered by Hindus. They see absolutely nothing wrong with "Yazidi girl marrying ISIS family". The ad is super cringeworthy, condescending and basically genocide apologia. It's horrendous.
It is sad that we have so many low IQ types in Indian media/ creative institutions but it cannot just be IQ. We push everyone in engineering and finance and this is the junk that remains. The junk imports all the ideas of the west and transplants them into India without sensitivity, context and without historical awareness.
A people who have been tortured, killed, enslaved, lost territory have to now face these rubbish glib ads. Especially when women and girls were especially the target for sex slavery and exploitation right from inception. Imagine showing a pregnant woman and putting chocolate syrup around it. It is normalizing the atrocities of 100's of years.
It can surely not just be IQ. It has to be a lot more mischief. This is even beyond the Romilla and gang. It's molding minds, showing a middle finger and a lot more.

Know their names. They are genocide apologists.
'Warning for other brands': Tanishq's removal of Hindu-Muslim ad sets a bad precedent

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/co ... 18743.html

A section of society has been labelling the ad for promoting #lovejihad while several others have slammed the 'haters' and appreciated the ad for its message of interfaith love and tolerance. Several leaders including Congress MP Shashi Tharoor, RPG Group's Chairman Harsh Goenka have supported the video.



On the hatred the brand is receiving on social media, social media and brand commentator Santosh Desai says: "What is happening is obvious, any mention of religious amity and show of love between the two communities is a red flag as it is against the dominant narrative."



Explaining the phenomenon, Siddharth Deshmukh, Senior Advisor and Adjunct Professor, MICA says that this phenomenon is explained best by Everett Rogers's theory of 'Diffusion of innovation". He says the market for each product is determined by its early adopters and innovators who then influence its value system.


The pressure cooker whistle becomes these poor ads," says Piyul Mukherjee, co-founder of a qualitative research agency Quipper.

She adds that Tanishq should have dug its heels in and stood by their idea instead of taking down the ad.



And on that note, what is with interfaith marriage to show religious harmony. What greater example of harmony can it be than religious Hindus and other coexisting in the same lane. The real test of religious harmony is when two sets of people with their own religious views can coexist while practicing and perpetuating. How does interfaith marriage help except for sublimating the heathens. Its a bug that is not even perpetuated in the west. It's being done deliberately in India.

This very sad twitter series was sent about how these conversions are almost always one sided. The hindu parents are always sidelined and have to compromise. This includes the two middle eastern religions. This is an outcome of the secularism bug that is being taught.

https://twitter.com/1967Vandana/status/ ... 8333380608
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Primus » 13 Oct 2020 21:42

m_saini wrote:
darshan wrote:Jewish won't allow any ad with swastika in it.
Blacks won't allow any ad with swastika in it.

Even though there's no connection. If one even tries to make a connection, it is not more than few decades.

Continual genocides of Hindus by islamists is an ongoing connection for 1000+ years.

No issue can be allowed to be passed for that there's no such slippages at conglomerates when it comes to Jewish and islamists when issuing ads. Would any such ad involving cartoon or aisha make it past due to oversight? Nazi and jewish?


That's simply because Hindus won't ever play victims.

Everyone here agrees that the american left doesn't like hindus because we don't play victims like the muslims or blacks or jews. Why then is it so surprising that there is no outrage when hindus are painted in bad colors?

Hindus either are victims or are not. You don't get to play both sides. I think this has been our main problem since forever, we've been playing the "dhobi ka kutta" from the days of NAM. You either should be powerful enough to not yourself be victimized, like the rolers, or you give in and play victim like the ropers.



I think the reason in America is not about playing victim, but having the political and economic clout to be able to dictate your terms. The Blacks have political and left support while the Jews have economic and in many places immense political and media support. Many years ago an ad for a new Vodka appeared in NYC where the hoardings said 'Christmas quality at Hanukka prices'. Within a few days the billboards were all taken down and the ads changed everywhere. Even the smallest perceived slight is not acceptable to the Jews.

Hindus are generally seen as too soft and too fragmented to be a threat, so anything goes. We are the 'lawaris' people - no demographic, political, economic, racial or religious clout. Things are changing gradually in India though and I am hopeful will continue to do so. The narrative is shifting albeit ever so slowly. Once India becomes as powerful as China, things will be different globally.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby m_saini » 13 Oct 2020 22:14

Primus wrote:I think the reason in America is not about playing victim, but having the political and economic clout to be able to dictate your terms. The Blacks have political and left support while the Jews have economic and in many places immense political and media support. Many years ago an ad for a new Vodka appeared in NYC where the hoardings said 'Christmas quality at Hanukka prices'. Within a few days the billboards were all taken down and the ads changed everywhere. Even the smallest perceived slight is not acceptable to the Jews.

Hindus are generally seen as too soft and too fragmented to be a threat, so anything goes. We are the 'lawaris' people - no demographic, political, economic, racial or religious clout. Things are changing gradually in India though and I am hopeful will continue to do so. The narrative is shifting albeit ever so slowly. Once India becomes as powerful as China, things will be different globally.


I somewhat disagree about the Blacks. They have the political and left support because they play victims to the southern redneck/confederates which the left uses to paint itself as morally superior. It leaves self-respect of black people in the gutter because it stops them from taking responsibility and the victimhood cycle continues perpetually. Jews do have the political and media clout and also the fact the entire legitimacy of ww2 rests with them being the victims.

Completely agree with the second part. We are too fragmented so anyone and everyone wash their hands in the flowing Ganga, so to say. This will change in probably the next 50 years or so but this also depends on having a Namo like gov at centre for the full time period.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 13 Oct 2020 22:21

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 13 Oct 2020 23:46

darshan wrote:If you're a dharmic corporation then you should be instilling dharmic and vedic trainings within the corporation. Nothing prevents corporations to come out and announce aid to love jihad victims and acknowledging love jihad. If you're not dharmic and with Hindus, then just come out and state it so instead of pulling akshay kumar on Hindus. Or patanjali sporting halal symbols.

How many islamists really represent the actual profits for this corporations? How much jaichand money are they earning that they are afraid of losing?


first, let's see a similar ad with a muslim bride in the midst of a Hindu family.

I bet you anything that no adman joker will dare to make it

ramdev and all the other MNCs operating in India have the halal label because of the markets they see for their products in the gelf and for other similar Indian made products.

I have not been able to locate even a single jatka meat shop or spot a hotel that openly says "we serve only jatka meat"

they all cater only to the halal trade which every nonvej Hindu willingly patronizes.

when a paki goes back home after his Indian trip, his bags are full of Indian consumer products which they all use but are unable to buy back home except in the black market at extortionate prices.

their profit comes majorly from the uncaring Hindus who think that it very uncool to question halal or even love jehad (until it happens to their own families :mrgreen: )
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kvraghav » 13 Oct 2020 23:50

Got so angry, cancelled booking of Tata harrier. Never again will I go with Tata. Once a fanboy of Tata but this is heights. Still seething with anger. Will wait for new xuv500. Now to get my 21k refund back.


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