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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ramana » 15 Oct 2020 03:25

Bokwas comment. If Tata is serving the nation they would never release rhat ad and by now would have dismissed him for causing 2700 crores drop in market price.

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Postby darshan » 15 Oct 2020 04:11

Media certainly has stayed quiet about this. Is it the list of clients keeping the media quiet?

Sawai Madhopur sex racket: Rajasthan Congress leader Poonam Chaudhary arrested
https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/sawai-m ... -arrested/
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In a First Information Report (FIR) registered on September 22, the minor girl alleged that she was entrapped into the sex racket by Congress’ Poonam Chaudhary, former BJP leader Sunita Verma and her aide Hiralal under the garb of providing a large sum of money. When the victim refused to obey their orders, they intimidated her and threatened public humiliation. Out of fear of bringing disrepute to her and her family, the minor girl was sexually exploited by several people. The victim also claimed that a total of 32-35 other minor girls were entrapped in the racket.
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As per the police, Poonam Chaudhary was the mastermind who entrapped the minor girl into the sex racket. She had later handed the victim to Sunita Verma, who would force the girl to meet her clients.
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Postby Ambar » 15 Oct 2020 05:18

CK Venkataraman is the current CEO of TITAN's jewelry business, one can message him on Linkedin or write to corpcomm@titan.co.in

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Postby chetak » 15 Oct 2020 06:09

darshan wrote:Media certainly has stayed quiet about this. Is it the list of clients keeping the media quiet?

Sawai Madhopur sex racket: Rajasthan Congress leader Poonam Chaudhary arrested
https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/sawai-m ... -arrested/
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In a First Information Report (FIR) registered on September 22, the minor girl alleged that she was entrapped into the sex racket by Congress’ Poonam Chaudhary, former BJP leader Sunita Verma and her aide Hiralal under the garb of providing a large sum of money. When the victim refused to obey their orders, they intimidated her and threatened public humiliation. Out of fear of bringing disrepute to her and her family, the minor girl was sexually exploited by several people. The victim also claimed that a total of 32-35 other minor girls were entrapped in the racket.
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As per the police, Poonam Chaudhary was the mastermind who entrapped the minor girl into the sex racket. She had later handed the victim to Sunita Verma, who would force the girl to meet her clients.
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a great deal of cooperation between the two parties at the lower levels complete with a corporate management structure.

it looks like both the principals were sleeping partners in this joint enterprise. :mrgreen:

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Postby Jarita » 15 Oct 2020 08:12

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That's just one person who was the director. There is a whole gaggle behind this. Another character is Ramel George who keeps make woke ad's only on Hindu festivals. It's very telling that none of his productions target ROL affairs.
https://www.thedrum.com/creative-works/ ... ont-matter
https://www.adforum.com/talent/41714389-ramel-george

But the biggest culprits are the marketing team at Tanishq and their genius partners at WYP (the ad agency). Without the two working in tandem this production is not possible. The copy has to be cleared by both parties. It's literally going to read like "A hindu girl married into a Muslim family is pleasantly surprised by a traditional godh bharai by her in-law. Tanishq bringing cultures and religions together, blah blah".
It is as blatant as that. WYP has to have approved it and then convinced the Tanishq team of how genius an idea it was/ or vice versa. It would have taken just one strong person to say that it's a rotten idea. The fact that it did not happen tells you how far the Tukde Tukde rot goes within Tanishq.
For those calling this an accident, it just cannot be. That this ad made it is good because it gives a glimpse of the BIF groups within these so called Indian conglomerates. They have formed a tight ecosystem and it starts with the boss.

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Postby OmkarC » 15 Oct 2020 09:44

Jarita wrote:

That's just one person who was the director. There is a whole gaggle behind this. Another character is Ramel George who keeps make woke ad's only on Hindu festivals. It's very telling that none of his productions target ROL affairs.
https://www.thedrum.com/creative-works/ ... ont-matter
https://www.adforum.com/talent/41714389-ramel-george

But the biggest culprits are the marketing team at Tanishq and their genius partners at WYP (the ad agency). Without the two working in tandem this production is not possible. The copy has to be cleared by both parties. It's literally going to read like "A hindu girl married into a Muslim family is pleasantly surprised by a traditional godh bharai by her in-law. Tanishq bringing cultures and religions together, blah blah".
It is as blatant as that. WYP has to have approved it and then convinced the Tanishq team of how genius an idea it was/ or vice versa. It would have taken just one strong person to say that it's a rotten idea. The fact that it did not happen tells you how far the Tukde Tukde rot goes within Tanishq.
For those calling this an accident, it just cannot be. That this ad made it is good because it gives a glimpse of the BIF groups within these so called Indian conglomerates. They have formed a tight ecosystem and it starts with the boss.



They were hoping for a Hindu reaction and they received it.. looks like they lost a few thousand crores in market cap due to this ad.. lot of bad press in the west, that enjoys lapping up these odd-ball stories of India.. the subtle issue of ads like these rationalizing love jihad is lost up on westerners who see this as a Black man/White woman meme, as they cannot understand the issue from an Indian context.

Perhaps next time rather than asking Tanishq to pull the Ad, we should focus our protests to augment it with the corollary and do a true equal-equal... i.e., in addition to a Hindu DIL, Muslim inlaws & husband, show a Muslim Daughter-in-law with shuttle-cock Burqa, get her Hindu Mother-in-law do a Godh Bharai according to islamic rituals (if there is anything like that) and her Hindu husband with blazing saffron Kurta and vermilion - all as one wholesome, happy family. Some governmental ad regulatory agency needs to be set up that can make these recommendations ? As long as BJP is in power, we are anyway an intolerant country with history of suppressing all minorities, what's stopping us from regulating such content and making them more communal (aka truly secular) ?

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 15 Oct 2020 10:05

chetak wrote:"the marriage of a Hindu female with a Muslim male is not a regular or valid (sahih) marriage, but merely an irregular (fasid) marriage" and as a consequence she cannot inherit from her Muslim husband.

I actually read the verdict given. The opinion related to valid and invalid marriages as per Muslim edicts/law books is there. But the verdict is actually in favour of the woman Valliyyama @ Sauda Beebi and her son (No. 1 Plaintiff). It was his other relatives who denied him a share of his father's property. The verdict reads - "In this view of the matter the trial court and the High Court were justified in concluding that the plaintiff is the legitamate son of Mohammed Illias and Valliyyama and is entitled to the property as per law. The High Court was also justified in modifying the decree passed by the trial Court and awarding the appropriate share in favour of plaintiff.". Note, the judge who signed the order is Mr. Justice Ramana.

sanjayc wrote:Saw this comment on You Tube

Which means that the campaign has hit the Tatas where it hurts :lol:. As I mentioned earlier, governments need not to do much to impose any form of 'secularism' (good or bad). All they need to enable is setting up of a level playing field. A lot of people then have the capability to take control over things and manage it efficiently. Under the earlier "progressive secular governments" (mainly Congress managed) the odds were heavily stacked against the Hindu community, and media advertisements were all used as force multipliers. Now that is getting changed and no business entity can take things for granted. If the Hindu community realise that they are still the biggest "customer base" in India, they will realise their power to make business entities do course corrections.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby m_saini » 15 Oct 2020 12:03

OmkarC wrote:
Perhaps next time rather than asking Tanishq to pull the Ad, we should focus our protests to augment it with the corollary and do a true equal-equal... i.e., in addition to a Hindu DIL, Muslim inlaws & husband, show a Muslim Daughter-in-law with shuttle-cock Burqa, get her Hindu Mother-in-law do a Godh Bharai according to islamic rituals (if there is anything like that) and her Hindu husband with blazing saffron Kurta and vermilion - all as one wholesome, happy family. Some governmental ad regulatory agency needs to be set up that can make these recommendations ? As long as BJP is in power, we are anyway an intolerant country with history of suppressing all minorities, what's stopping us from regulating such content and making them more communal (aka truly secular) ?


Saar you cannot win. If we focus our protests on doing an equal-equal, the lefty-loony ecosystem will just term it as "hindu nationalists harassing companies to make ads to suit their wetdreams". And like some other people said, it still doesn't change the underlying fact such ignorant ads don't take into account the centuries of abuse and genocide hindus had to suffer by the hands of ropers. it's like if the Nazis were making ads with jewish women and the jewish communities were arguing to make it equal-equal and make one with jewish man and nazi women.

Imo the best way to deal with such things is to celebrate this ad without making any noise. Announce an "inter-community harmony" award for the people responsible so everyone can know who they are and then quietly and decisively dismantle the entire company or hammer their stocks after a month or so. Find/invent any shady thing this company does and just go to town with it. Similarly, instead of boycotting bollywood movies and stars, go after the production houses who make everything possible and have plenty of black money flowing through.

Unless we set an example and go after the actual people involved, the twitter campaigns for boycotting or equal-equal won't do much. Compliance cannot be imposed everytime such things happen, people just have to know in their hearts what awaits.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 15 Oct 2020 18:34

Sachin wrote:
sanjayc wrote:Saw this comment on You Tube

Which means that the campaign has hit the Tatas where it hurts :lol:. As I mentioned earlier, governments need not to do much to impose any form of 'secularism' (good or bad). All they need to enable is setting up of a level playing field.

Hopefully the campaign continues past this Diwali. I'm sure that they will definitely try to bring their prices down to compete with local shops. Hindus need to be on their toes and not be like goldfish and forget things for few rupees. The main boss comes from the Parsi community that's introvert themselves about marriages and has stayed quiet. Explanation issued was nothing short of another slap in the same manner as the ad itself. If WhatsApp groups are of any indication, it's not only the stock valuation that Tata is losing by staying quiet and not taking any action.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 15 Oct 2020 18:57

I don't think that we have ever had a MEA like Jaishankar before. He tells it like it is. More power to him.

one wonders as to what set him off to call out the britshits.

wonder what the snooty, supercillious, bowler hatted, rolled up umbrella carrying britshit diplomat thinks of being so indelicately called out in public.

After all, a well brought up chappie does not mention such matters in public, what.

not done, old chap, simply not done, tally ho and all that, what. :mrgreen:

British looted $45 trillion from India in today’s value: Jaishankar


British looted $45 trillion from India in today’s value: Jaishankar


Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury,
ET Bureau, Oct 03, 2019,

Synopsis
Jaishankar also called for managing Indo-US divergences over India’s approaches to Iran and Russia.


NEW DELHI: External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar has asserted India suffered “humiliation” for two centuries under colonial rule and quoted a study stating that the wealth British took from India was close to $45 trillion in today’s monetary value.

“India had two centuries of humiliation by the West in its predatory form it came to India in the mid-18th century. An economic study tried to estimate how much British took out of India, it ended up at a number of $45 trillion in today’s value,” Jaishankar stated while delivering an address at noted think tank Atlantic Council in Washington DC on Tuesday.
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Postby KLNMurthy » 15 Oct 2020 19:01

Syed Rizwan Ahmed on the Tanishq Ad(youtube video)

Apparently Syed Rizwan Ahmed is the patriotic cousin of Naseeruddin Shah, who is, you know, not patriotic.

The video is about 15 or so minutes, and is in Hindi. Worth watching if you follow Hindi. Brief summary of my takeaway (I can't guarantee that this is not colored by my own leanings):

Muslims have no right to talk about Hindu trolls in the Tanishq case, as they are the original trolls. That said, Modi sarkar should clarify its position on inter-faith marriages: Prohibit inter-faith marriages altogether, or bring suitable amendments to the Special Marriage Act to keep out religious institutions. SRA would support that, but cannot support troll rule. We are a country ruled by law and that is what is at stake here.

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Postby sanjayc » 15 Oct 2020 19:03

What a nice change from childish Sushma Swaraj who made a fetish out of distributing visas on Twitter

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Postby KLNMurthy » 15 Oct 2020 19:10

sanjayc wrote:What a nice change from childish Sushma Swaraj who made a fetish out of distributing visas on Twitter

Err.. who are you referring to exactly? Can you give some context instead of posting random one-liners that make no sense?

And use civil language when talking about the deceased leader. Sushma Swaraj didn't "hand out" visas. There was a very small fraction of cases in which, upon receiving appeals on social media, she intervened directly on humanitarian grounds because time was of the essence.

You have some kind of weird problem with that?
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sanjayc wrote:What a nice change from childish Sushma Swaraj who made a fetish out of distributing visas on Twitter


its apparently still going on but it has stopped coming out on twitter.

a bjp MP who is also a dilli cricketer recommended one such paki family medical visa publicly on twitter and was roundly and very rightly ticked off for it.

After that this paki medical visa racket has gone underground.

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Postby Dileep » 15 Oct 2020 19:16

About marriages: In MBM, people can get married either by the religious mode or civil mode. If you don't do either, then you are not legally wed. Offsprings of 'not legally wed' couple still have right to alimony and inherit property. But inheritance to each other's property is not there, simply because the marriage is not legal. There is no real discrimination there. You can't have legal religious marriage between two different religions.

During my early years, there were "register marriages" (romanticized by movies, where the boy and girl run an obstacle course to reach the 'registrar office' while the out-laws try to capture them before they do). These were simply 'contracts to defeat the evil 'immoral traffic act' and legitimize the $ex. But this didn't really make the marriage legal. So, awareness of the "special marriage act" of 1954 was brought in, and couple were encouraged by the 'registrars' to go through the process. This process require a notice of intent to be published, calling for objections (because there may be conflicts of existing marriages etc) and wait for a month etc.

So, if you run the obstacle course and successfully reach the registrar office, you first do the 'legal $ex contract' and also file for the special marriage act process. If you are smart, you file the process in secret, and bribe the peon of the registrar office to pin the notice (there will be many) deep under a stack, so no one notices.

So, I see nothing wrong in the SC verdict. They did the right thing as per the law and also common sense.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 15 Oct 2020 19:17

chetak wrote:
sanjayc wrote:What a nice change from childish Sushma Swaraj who made a fetish out of distributing visas on Twitter


its apparently still going on but it has stopped coming out on twitter.

a bjp MP who is also a dilli cricketer recommended one such paki family medical visa publicly on twitter and was roundly and very rightly ticked off for it.

After that this paki medical visa racket has gone underground.

There is always a degree of political intervention in visa-granting, which is ultimately a subjective and arbitrary (that is to say, sovereign) decision. It happens with American visas, and any country's visas.

No need to beat up on India for that.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 15 Oct 2020 19:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu5vvsuSFpY&feature=youtu.be


Why Tanishq Ad Got Fervent Backlash, Multiple Discourse Factors Explained





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Tanishq advertisement that was withdrawn recently, after huge online outrage showed a pregnant Hindu daughter-in-law being led by her Muslim mother-in-law, to a surprise godbharai ceremony (baby shower).

The delighted but confused young woman turned to her mother-in-law and said, “but that’s not your tradition.” The mother-in-law lovingly replied that keeping daughters happy was a tradition in every home.

Isn’t that such a positive message?

That apart, the advertisement was visually appealing. There were beautiful women wearing gorgeous jewellery. The lighting and colours were soft and muted. And the overall mood was warm and harmonious.

So why were so many people upset? After all, this advertisement portrayed a fantasy, as most advertisements do. The story was not real. It was a vision of a wistful, blemish free world.

I believe that the outrage was the cumulative effect of multiple factors, many of which are interlinked.

The first problem was timing. Even a rookie in advertising knows that timing is everything. A brand needs to speak to the target audience when they are receptive.

This advertisement came at a time when people are still grappling with the tragedy of 20-year-old Rahul Rajput. The young man fell in love with a Muslim girl in Delhi, and was beaten to death by her family.

Similarly, in Karnataka, 24-year-old Laxmipathy was recently lured and strangled by a girl’s father, for the same reason.

The details of their brutal murders are still fresh in public memory. At such an emotionally fraught time, trying to sell a rosy story of inter-faith love was perhaps a miscalculation.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 15 Oct 2020 19:44

KLNMurthy wrote:
chetak wrote:
its apparently still going on but it has stopped coming out on twitter.

a bjp MP who is also a dilli cricketer recommended one such paki family medical visa publicly on twitter and was roundly and very rightly ticked off for it.

After that this paki medical visa racket has gone underground.

There is always a degree of political intervention in visa-granting, which is ultimately a subjective and arbitrary (that is to say, sovereign) decision. It happens with American visas, and any country's visas.

No need to beat up on India for that.


As a taxpaying kaffir, I have every right to object when scarce resources do not reach our own needy citizens but are splurged extravagantly and willfully wasted on non citizens for reasons that simply cannot be justified, especially not when the pakis are killing Indians almost on a daily basis.

a little less of the misplaced social discrimination and a little more of the unbiased treatment of our own citizens should be the priority under these difficult circumstances.

After all, the pakis chose to make their own beds in 1947 and so they should now uncomplainingly lie upon it or better still, seek help elsewhere.

we owe the pakis nothing.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 15 Oct 2020 20:55

It's amazing that non muslim refugees from pakistan can't get medical treatments but islamists pakis can get visas and get treatments. Even if they pay medical bills, it's not acceptable. It takes tons of investment to run medical system. One bill payment doesn't take care of it. At the very least, for every islamist from pakistan should be made to pay medical treatments of 10 nonislamist refugees from pakistan.

There's no such thing as showing kindness. Somnath.

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Postby darshan » 15 Oct 2020 21:10

Does Alang still bring value? Lot of human rights violations and environment destruction happens over there.
National Authority for Ships Recycling notified with its office in Gujarat
https://www.deshgujarat.com/2020/10/15/ ... n-gujarat/
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Under Ship Recycling Act, 2019, India has acceded to Hong Kong Convention for Ship Recycling under International Maritime Organization (IMO). DG Shipping is a representative of India in IMO and all the conventions of IMO are being enforced by DG Shipping.

National Authority of Ship Recycling will be set up in Gandhinagar, Gujarat. The location of the office will benefit the Ship Recycling yard owners situated in Alang, Gujarat which is home of Asia’s largest ship breaking and ship recycling industry in the world.

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Postby chetak » 15 Oct 2020 21:13

darshan wrote:It's amazing that non muslim refugees from pakistan can't get medical treatments but islamists pakis can get visas and get treatments. Even if they pay medical bills, it's not acceptable. It takes tons of investment to run medical system. One bill payment doesn't take care of it. At the very least, for every islamist from pakistan should be made to pay medical treatments of 10 nonislamist refugees from pakistan.

There's no such thing as showing kindness. Somnath.


these buggers never pay any bills in India.

The medical bills are either waived off by eager padma bushan hunting hospital owners or some shady NGO (mostly islamic) that slimily oozes out of the wood work to settle the bills after bargaining for the maximum discount. These pakis, additionally, also get new clothes, along with free board and lodging for the entire family, and a whole lot of cheap and shiny presents to take back to their benighted country.

All this after some really el cheapo tv channel wrings out maximum publicity with this communal harmony and dushman ki dosti type of propaganda photo ops.

among many others, mostly from dilli, there is the case of a "famous" heart surgeon from bangalore who used this route for his padma bushan whatever, that comes to mind.

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Postby darshan » 15 Oct 2020 21:52

Binary view. #tanishq a Thu Thu product.
Indian Express mentions Dalit identity of accused Congress leader, but not of Muslim in-laws who drove the Hindu woman to self-immolate
https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/indian- ... ropaganda/
In a horrifying incident, on the 13th of October 2020, a woman self-immolated in front of the Uttar Pradesh Vidhan Sabha. She has now reportedly succumbed to her injuries. The victim had set herself on fire on the 13th outside the Uttar Pradesh Vidhan Sabha due to harassment by her in-laws. The victim, Aisha, whose original name was Anjana Tiwari was married to one Akhilesh Tiwari. After getting a divorce from Akhilesh Tiwari, she fell in love with a person named Asif. She married Asif after converting to Islam and changing her name to Aisha.

According to the woman, Asif left for Saudi Arabia soon after their marriage. She accused Asif’s family of harassing her. She said that she had made an unsuccessful attempt of filing a complaint against her in-laws in Maharajganj police station. She wanted to meet the Chief Minister, therefore, she set herself on fire in front of the Vidhan Sabha.
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Jarita » 15 Oct 2020 22:57

There are couples coming up tomtoming how their interfaith marriages are so great post the #Tanishq drama. The joke is on them. The kids almost always follow the dads religion and have Islamic names.
I have a slightly contrarian view to those saying - Tanishq should make an ad flipping the roles. The fact of the matter is that either way the marriages don't work out well for Hindus. When it is the woman who marries - the most liberal of them will allow her to keep her religion but the kids will be Islamic. Look at that actor Irfan Khan and his rabid kids. He was supposed to be open minded. When a Hindu man marries, the children have hotch potch mixed names and the kids are rabid secularists. I know atleast two samples. The womans family keeps imposing. Often the guy converts. The is no win win. Additionally, there is no way to overcome years of PTSD.
With ROP, irrespective of whether the Hindu man or woman convert, the kids are always ROP. Look at that Deshmukh family. Hell look at Maino's. Always.

It's perfectly ok to live respectfully and in a civilized manner as coexisting communities. However, our kids have to warned early on about marriage alliances. That does not work out for any heathen group. The complexity and intricacy of our frameworks and philosophy are lost.

And yes, while this may be controversial, this capitulation of Hindus to the abrahamic faiths of their partners is a complex of media/eduction brainwashing, 0 grounding and knowledge of dharma in early age, breakdown of Jaati and joint family, outsourced parenting etc, BUT a very important factor is the attraction of the simple/ visible and binary. Our brains have lost that training of our ancestors so it's easier to capitulate to the black and white.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 15 Oct 2020 23:12

One of the main factors here is failure to openly discuss past genocides and presence being continuation of one more genocide.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 15 Oct 2020 23:17

chetak wrote:
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As a taxpaying kaffir, I have every right to object when scarce resources do not reach our own needy citizens but are splurged extravagantly and willfully wasted on non citizens for reasons that simply cannot be justified, especially not when the pakis are killing Indians almost on a daily basis.

a little less of the misplaced social discrimination and a little more of the unbiased treatment of our own citizens should be the priority under these difficult circumstances.

After all, the pakis chose to make their own beds in 1947 and so they should now uncomplainingly lie upon it or better still, seek help elsewhere.

we owe the pakis nothing.

Nothing to disagree in what you are saying, but my objection was to beating up on the late Sushma Swaraj, one of our own, a good and strong person who gave no quarter to entitled RAPE pakis when it came to foreign policy. So, she possiblymaybeperhaps went a little too far on compassion towards lowly paki abduls in her role as foreign minister. Is that any reason for the OP to use bad language towards her?

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Postby chetak » 15 Oct 2020 23:38

KLNMurthy wrote:
chetak wrote:
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As a taxpaying kaffir, I have every right to object when scarce resources do not reach our own needy citizens but are splurged extravagantly and willfully wasted on non citizens for reasons that simply cannot be justified, especially not when the pakis are killing Indians almost on a daily basis.

a little less of the misplaced social discrimination and a little more of the unbiased treatment of our own citizens should be the priority under these difficult circumstances.

After all, the pakis chose to make their own beds in 1947 and so they should now uncomplainingly lie upon it or better still, seek help elsewhere.

we owe the pakis nothing.

Nothing to disagree in what you are saying, but my objection was to beating up on the late Sushma Swaraj, one of our own, a good and strong person who gave no quarter to entitled RAPE pakis when it came to foreign policy. So, she possiblymaybeperhaps went a little too far on compassion towards lowly paki abduls in her role as foreign minister. Is that any reason for the OP to use bad language towards her?


I agree with you saar.

But I am not the one who did so.

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Postby Jarita » 15 Oct 2020 23:49

darshan wrote:One of the main factors here is failure to openly discuss past genocides and presence being continuation of one more genocide.



That + intellect to appreciate the value of dharma. Also, they have mainstreamed themselves. Hindu society does not and should not take a violent stand but there is no need to accept such treachery. They capitualate to lust and put to naught the sacrifices of their ancestors over centuries. On top of that they want to be no just accepted but welcomed into their ancestral societies as and when they please - this ad is part of the mainstreaming by these troglodytes. Such people, both men and women are worthy of contempt. For lower chakra stuff they betray everything. The women of Sonagachi are more exalted as they were under compulsion and yet did not betray their civilization.
There should be no compulsion on Hindu parents to accept with open arms and not question the treacherous decisions of their progeny. These ads and all those proud inter faithites making a noise are all about that mainstreaming using stupid statements like "modernity" etc. They don't want to sacrifice anything, betray everything and yet claim it all. They are worthy of our contempt. For lust, for mutton curry, you undid it all.

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Postby darshan » 15 Oct 2020 23:59

Agree and few days ago I had called out how this isn't instilled in Hindus when I noticed names of various venues being changed in GJ. If one is going to change the names that don't need changing then at least change them to historical figures. One would never know about Raja Dahir if there's nothing named for him or he's not in textbook. One can understand that you have lost to bureaucracy and can't tackel textbook bureaucracy. However, there's absolutely no excuse for not using names and events at many other places and occasions under your control. All electioneering can be started with talk about such a character or event.

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Postby chetak » 16 Oct 2020 00:21

darshan wrote:One of the main factors here is failure to openly discuss past genocides and presence being continuation of one more genocide.


we need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission.


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Postby chetak » 16 Oct 2020 01:22

this is twitter's idea of democracy in america.

so, imagine the havoc that jack the crack is capable of creating in India :mrgreen:


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Postby Rsatchi » 16 Oct 2020 01:30

darshan wrote:It's amazing that non muslim refugees from pakistan can't get medical treatments but islamists pakis can get visas and get treatments. Even if they pay medical bills, it's not acceptable. It takes tons of investment to run medical system. One bill payment doesn't take care of it. At the very least, for every islamist from pakistan should be made to pay medical treatments of 10 nonislamist refugees from pakistan.

There's no such thing as showing kindness. Somnath.

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Few years ago speaking to a friend from Narayan Hryudalaya, heard that some of these Pak kids were sponsored by NGO/PM relief funds etc!!
I dont have proof for that this just hear say from person working there.
Maybe some of these larger hospitals were working hand in glove with the sicular/jihadi combine to keep the Medical Visa programme's going as they were making money!! So were some of the middle men who would organise the trips

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Postby chetak » 16 Oct 2020 01:42

who does this remind you of in India. :mrgreen:

that guy has started a super exclusive small scale industry


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Postby chetak » 16 Oct 2020 04:25

If ajit pai of the ameriki FCC actually holds the social media companies/media platforms responsible for their actions, just like newspapers and broadcasters are legally liable, it will have a huge impact in leveling the playing field.

The commies and naxals will lose more of their jealously guarded gate keeping privileges on media platforms.

instagram, twitter, google and facebook and their derivatives are the new versions of the erstwhile rapacious, white supremacist, and imperialistic european colonizers and these are the digital versions of those colonizers who are now ruling and profiting from the colonized via their censorship of local and global opinions/taste and unilaterally deciding the specific directions that their social engineering agenda as well as the dictats of their ideologies which demand certain a end game, thus enforcing their political proclivities to either build or bury preferred/targeted politicians, causes and organizations.

since they have all the attributes of a media entity much like print or electronic media broadcasters, where they do publish, carry, distribute, transmit, editorialize, and censor opinions, as well as mute voices that they consider as unsuitable or even inconvenient, they should not be allowed to escape the judicial scrutiny and the legal liability of the same laws that dictates standards of decency while imposing punitive action for transgressions of the privacy of the public at large and address their concerns of being slandered or libeled.


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Postby KLNMurthy » 16 Oct 2020 05:51

chetak wrote:...
I agree with you saar.

But I am not the one who did so.

Of course not. That’s why I referred to OP.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KLNMurthy » 16 Oct 2020 05:57

chetak wrote:this is twitter's idea of democracy in america.

so, imagine the havoc that jack the crack is capable of creating in India :mrgreen:

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Seems Jack al Twitteri has a death wish.

At this rate, Section 230 which classifies Twitter et al as platforms and not publishers (subject to accompanying liability) will soon be history. And that will effectively kill Twitter, from the liability insurance alone.

Even Dems will have a hard time not agreeing to take action on a medium that censors a House body.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Jarita » 16 Oct 2020 10:01

Another Tata ad - Tata Cliq, which shows yoga is boring and a relic and a hindu guy marrying a ROP girl in church minimalistic traditions. Basically the boy has converted.
Interfaith marriages with Hindus compromising their dharma is a big theme. Hindu traditions are relics.

Not posting the ad here.

The same global bodies that have penetrated Bollywood and India media for the purpose of social re-engineering / are now through coercion and part ownership forcing corporations to become vehicles of social re-engineering in India. The marketing and PR groups in our corporations are the next wave of presstitutes. They are willing to destroy the corporate goose.

Corporations spend significantly on ad revenue. Expect many more subtle ads. Keep an eye on all the corporates and their ads. After the fall of Bollywood, this is the next wave.

That is why I question the people in this forum who love disinvestment and sell out to MNCs. In countries like India when ownership constructs of key assets change, social re-engineering follows. Do you expect an Air India to give out such ads or use woke criteria for hiring? NO. But wait till some foreign investor acquires it. There is a huge asymmetry of power and influence. MNC investments and influence in third world countries bring with them social re-engineering, interference and conversions.

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Postby Paul » 16 Oct 2020 14:26

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Hindu nationalism is rising in Tamil Nadu. Can BJP be far behind?
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There is a growing tribe of Hindu nationalists in Tamil Nadu aggressively working for their “rightful place in the state" | Image - Eunice Dhivya
Growing up in Coimbatore’s Saibaba Colony, a middle-class neighbourhood, 27-year-old Prakashan* boasted of an ‘entourage’ of six close friends in college. That number came down a few years back to just two after Prakashan found a new ‘mission’ in life—to be proud of his Hindu roots.

Some of those friends still don’t know what changed Prakashan’s worldview. The guy who once loved science, his social media timelines are now full of laments about the “unfair perception about Hindus, especially Brahmins” like him.

“Wake up Tamizh Hindus. Don’t let adharmics rule and ruin our glorious Tamil culture. #TamilsAreHindus,” reads one of his posts.

Prakashan is part of a growing tribe of Hindu nationalists in Tamil Nadu aggressively working for their “rightful place in the state”. His social circle includes 44.6k followers who have been working hard for past many years to ‘enlighten’ Tamils about the ‘divisive’ Dravidian politics and consolidate savarna identity.

“Tamil Hindus should take pride in their faith and culture. Instead most of them are brainwashed into laughing at their own [Hindu] culture in an attempt to sound woke,” says one of Prakashan’s followers in the comment section of his post.

The growing network of Hindu nationalists in Tamil Nadu is not only a social media phenomenon but a reflection of the fact that Hindutva politics is gaining heft on the ground in a state that otherwise prides itself in the Dravidian movement that kicked off more than a hundred years ago.
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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Paul » 16 Oct 2020 14:28

Weathervanes like KhushbuSundar joing BJP is testament to changing winds in TN.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Aditya_V » 16 Oct 2020 15:03

Looks like IMF is in with BIF, the claim the BD per Capita Income is Higwash, The Taka has depriciated like the Indian rupee and given Electricity consumption etc. it is clear that Per capita Income using a lot of factors like population growth, 2020- they are predicting BD economy growth- how?

They have also over estimated India population and underestimated BD population. Looks like tailormade hogwash for Pappu- actually the Gap will be more than 35%. Yes Businesses in India are going through real tough times especially with Covid related Lockdowns, but BD is not immune.

This is a clear BS report.


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