Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Mar 2020 09:30

Dumberica will add its share of stupidity as well.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 11 Mar 2020 09:31

They only way to get them to stop is humiliation. Fcu k Covid-19, it’s the Chinaman death virus.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 11 Mar 2020 09:35

Dare I say the beginning of wisdom is calling things by their proper name. Heheheh

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Mar 2020 09:44

Guys one question. Most of the cases detected in India are in those who returned from abroad: Italy or Iran etc. Now, assuming these people did not come in direct contact with those infected in the countries they visited, how could they have been infected? If they got it from visiting public places, then its a scary prospect. It means many more in those counties are also potentially infected.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 11 Mar 2020 10:30

CRamS wrote:Guys one question. Most of the cases detected in India are in those who returned from abroad: Italy or Iran etc. Now, assuming these people did not come in direct contact with those infected in the countries they visited, how could they have been infected? If they got it from visiting public places, then its a scary prospect. It means many more in those counties are also potentially infected.

The thing about this virus is how early and easily it spreads without really showing any symptoms. Someone could be carrying it without any visible signs and infect another person, who could potentially die within days of contracting it.

IOWs there are probly a bunch of people who are functioning mostly normally but are likely spreading it all around. This is horrible in cultures with the Protestant work ethic where it is encouraged to work and mingle even if one feels sh*try and vice versa.

For this and other reasons, it could seriously hit the US. Buggers need to be on a warfooting and stop dismissing it like it's another cold.

So it is not necessarily from public places perse. It's mainly airborne. And all the worse because of it.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 11 Mar 2020 10:42

In the meantime Ukstans health minister herself has caught covid19. So much for vaunted gora healthcare. Nice.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 11 Mar 2020 10:47

sudarshan wrote:South Korea is well over the hump, managed to recover from the Church effect. This epidemic will now be driven by Italy in particular, Europe in general, and, very likely, the US of Dumberica.

The overall numbers were pretty small (nothing like an epidemic) in S. Korea, Japan, even China (if you go by their reported numbers) - these countries seem to be past the worst, normalizing rapidly (actually, Japan has been past the hump for a while now). Singapore, it seems, never had more than 15 cases per day, with 0 deaths so far. The reported numbers from Iran (don't know if one can trust them) also show ramping down.

Let's hope it behaves that way in Europe, Italy offers a good example of unbridled spread (maybe even augmented spread, augmented by stupidity).

Ehji? Japan just reported it's biggest spike yet. Don't see how they are past the worst. China is on a complete lockdown right now but what happens when these are taken off and people start mingling again?

Mike ostrrholm who's been on the dot so far, says that this is just the beginning. And that's conservative.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Mar 2020 10:58

Cain Marko wrote:In the meantime Ukstans health minister herself has caught covid19. So much for vaunted gora healthcare. Nice.

From news reports, it seems she met and greeted a lot of people during her community rounds. All the more necessary to isolate ModiJi and not let him come in contact with anybody other than his absolutely trusted lieutenants. Ditto his lieutenants.

Thx for the insight on how it spreads.

Guys, in US, is everybody screened at airports on arrival? I am currently in India, and heading back to US over the weekend. Hope Trump doesn't go crazy with banning flights from entering.

chola · Post by **chola** » 11 Mar 2020 13:14

CRamS wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:In the meantime Ukstans health minister herself has caught covid19. So much for vaunted gora healthcare. Nice.
From news reports, it seems she met and greeted a lot of people during her community rounds. All the more necessary to isolate ModiJi and not let him come in contact with anybody other than his absolutely trusted lieutenants. Ditto his lieutenants.

Thx for the insight on how it spreads.

Guys, in US, is everybody screened at airports on arrival? I am currently in India, and heading back to US over the weekend. Hope Trump doesn't go crazy with banning flights from entering.

If you are laying over in Europe before coming into the State you should be home free. They ain't checking anyone from Yurop.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 11 Mar 2020 13:56

Cain Marko wrote:In the meantime Ukstans health minister herself has caught covid19. So much for vaunted gora healthcare. Nice.

Strange sense of satisfaction from someone else's misfortune.

chola · Post by **chola** » 11 Mar 2020 14:54

Wuhan vlog (from a gori expat) posted five days ago.

Can't leave apartment complex unless you are shopping. They arrest people for walking outside "for no reason." A mall that was always packed is completely abandoned. Almost completely empty.

Wuhan still looks like the stereotypical zombie apocalypse.

If this is the only way you can stop the virus then it is economic armageddon.

With Italy in lockdown and French, German, US cases rising, this is the beginning of a global recession.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Mar 2020 15:30

chola wrote:
If you are laying over in Europe before coming into the State you should be home free. They ain't checking anyone from Yurop.

My flight is from Bengaluru to Dubai and Dubai to Dallas on Emirates. There have been some reported cases in Dubai

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 11 Mar 2020 17:03

Peak flu season in most of India other than cold places like Kashmir, probably Himachal is July to September during the rainy season.If this virus is not contained by then, India will have to take more drastic measures. Even if it is contained, India has to be vigilant against this virus.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 11 Mar 2020 18:08

Hanumadu,

Flu is most prevalent in India during the cold season.

In monsoon, mosquito breeds better and hence diseases like dengue, malaria, chikungunya are common.

Rain water is responsible for washing away dirt and organic matter to the sewers. Covid19 is not transmitted by mosquitos.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 11 Mar 2020 20:30

Cain Marko wrote: Ehji? Japan just reported it's biggest spike yet. Don't see how they are past the worst.

Where are you getting that from? Japan had its biggest spike of 149 daily cases on Feb. 16, 105 on Feb. 17, 96 & 91 respectively on Feb. 19 and Feb. 20, and 73 on Feb. 25. Since then, they've been mostly under 30 cases per day. Their total number of cases (~1200) is like 2/3rds of what Italy is reporting in a day right now. And a total to date of 16 deaths.

I honestly don't know what's going to happen when the lockdown in China eases.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Mar 2020 20:49

CRamS wrote:
chola wrote:
If you are laying over in Europe before coming into the State you should be home free. They ain't checking anyone from Yurop.
My flight is from Bengaluru to Dubai and Dubai to Dallas on Emirates. There have been some reported cases in Dubai

My friend flew similar route via Dubai. Got off at Seattle. No issues.
For your safety, While on plane and in Dubai wear a mask and use hand sanitizer liberally.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 11 Mar 2020 20:50

nvishal wrote:Hanumadu,

Flu is most prevalent in India during the cold season.

In monsoon, mosquito breeds better and hence diseases like dengue, malaria, chikungunya are common.

Rain water is responsible for washing away dirt and organic matter to the sewers. Covid19 is not transmitted by mosquitos.

Weekly trends and proportion of annual numbers of positive influenza cases, by epidemiologic week and influenza type, Srinagar (A) and New Delhi (B), India, 2011–2012. Clear seasonal peaks are seen in January–March (weeks 1–16) for Srinagar and in July and September (weeks 28–40) for New Delhi.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4193176/

We identified discrete patterns of influenza circulation in India. In Srinagar, a city in the northernmost region of India, influenza positivity rates peaked in winter (December–March), whereas in New Delhi, a city just ≈500 km south of Srinagar, influenza peaked during the monsoon season (July–September). The winter peak in Srinagar is similar to the timing of influenza circulation observed for most countries in Europe and United States in the Northern Hemisphere (4,5). By contrast, the data on influenza seasonality in New Delhi corroborate findings which showed that many countries in tropical regions (e.g., Brazil, India, Vietnam) experience high influenza transmission rates during the rainy season (6,11–13). Overall, influenza A and B viruses co-circulated throughout the surveillance period in Srinagar and New Delhi; however, the types and subtypes varied.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Mar 2020 20:54

hanumadu wrote:Peak flu season in most of India other than cold places like Kashmir, probably Himachal is July to September during the rainy season. If this virus is not contained by then, India will have to take more drastic measures. Even if it is contained, India has to be vigilant against this virus.

Again this is not flu. The virus does not survive temp above 25 degree C.
India has been very vigilant about COVID-19.
The main sources are idiots from Kerala who concealed their Italy trip and others who went to Iran.
The cases from Wuhan were quarantined and have recovered.

Don't be a Cassandra like some forum members for its insulting to those in charge who are doing everything to contain this virus.

I don't trust the CDC folks who are there in every virus outbreak in the world.
What are they doing there is suspicious.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 11 Mar 2020 21:47

ramana wrote:
hanumadu wrote:Peak flu season in most of India other than cold places like Kashmir, probably Himachal is July to September during the rainy season. If this virus is not contained by then, India will have to take more drastic measures. Even if it is contained, India has to be vigilant against this virus.

Again this is not flu. The virus does not survive temp above 25 degree C.
India has been very vigilant about COVID-19.
The main sources are idiots from Kerala who concealed their Italy trip and others who went to Iran.
The cases from Wuhan were quarantined and have recovered.

Don't be a Cassandra like some forum members for its insulting to those in charge who are doing everything to contain this virus.

I don't trust the CDC folks who are there in every virus outbreak in the world.
What are they doing there is suspicious.

I hope you are right.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 11 Mar 2020 22:20

Lisa wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:In the meantime Ukstans health minister herself has caught covid19. So much for vaunted gora healthcare. Nice.
Strange sense of satisfaction from someone else's misfortune.

It's nothing personal, hope she gets better soon. Just that considering how much they've lectured and bullied us, yes there is a deep sense of satisfaction that India seems to be managing this better. Inshallah.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 11 Mar 2020 22:22

CRamS wrote:
chola wrote:
If you are laying over in Europe before coming into the State you should be home free. They ain't checking anyone from Yurop.
My flight is from Bengaluru to Dubai and Dubai to Dallas on Emirates. There have been some reported cases in Dubai

And Dallas. They may check more thoroughly at that airport.

Vamsee · Post by **Vamsee** » 11 Mar 2020 22:29

Ministry of Health
@MoHFW_INDIA

Important decisions taken at the 2nd meeting of GoM on #COVID19 today.
1. All existing visas, except diplomatic, official, UN/International Organizations, employment, project visas, stand suspended till 15th April 2020. This will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure.
2. Visa free travel facility granted to OCI card holders is kept in abeyance till April 15th 2020. This will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure.
3. Any foreign national who intends to travel to India for compelling reason may contact the nearest Indian Mission.
4. All incoming travelers, including Indians, arriving from or having visited China,Italy,Iran,Republic of Korea, France, Spain & Germany after 15th Feb, 2020 shall be quarantined for a minimum period of 14 days.

The above will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 11 Mar 2020 22:30

Cain Marko wrote:
Lisa wrote:
Strange sense of satisfaction from someone else's misfortune.
It's nothing personal, hope she gets better soon. Just that considering how much they've lectured and bullied us, yes there is a deep sense of satisfaction that India seems to be managing this better. Inshallah.

Agree 100%.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 11 Mar 2020 22:33

ramana wrote:
hanumadu wrote:Peak flu season in most of India other than cold places like Kashmir, probably Himachal is July to September during the rainy season. If this virus is not contained by then, India will have to take more drastic measures. Even if it is contained, India has to be vigilant against this virus.

Again this is not flu. The virus does not survive temp above 25 degree C.
India has been very vigilant about COVID-19.
The main sources are idiots from Kerala who concealed their Italy trip and others who went to Iran.
The cases from Wuhan were quarantined and have recovered.

Don't be a Cassandra like some forum members for its insulting to those in charge who are doing everything to contain this virus.

I don't trust the CDC folks who are there in every virus outbreak in the world.
What are they doing there is suspicious.

Ramanaji
Totally agree that India has done a Stirling job so far
Inspite of the Delhi riot this is a great job
What comes to mind is how we have managed polio inspite of the next door neighbor trying their best to disrupt the world wide campaign

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 11 Mar 2020 22:36

The western press doesn't give much credit to the Indian effort in these endeavour

saip · Post by **saip** » 11 Mar 2020 22:43

Vamsee wrote:Ministry of Health
@MoHFW_INDIA

Important decisions taken at the 2nd meeting of GoM on #COVID19 today.
1. All existing visas, except diplomatic, official, UN/International Organizations, employment, project visas, stand suspended till 15th April 2020. This will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure.
2. Visa free travel facility granted to OCI card holders is kept in abeyance till April 15th 2020. This will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure.
3. Any foreign national who intends to travel to India for compelling reason may contact the nearest Indian Mission.
4. All incoming travelers, including Indians, arriving from or having visited China,Italy,Iran,Republic of Korea, France, Spain & Germany after 15th Feb, 2020 shall be quarantined for a minimum period of 14 days.

The above will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure

So there goes my trip to India. Hope the airline/credit card considers this when I cancel my trip. The stupid airline does not even take my calls (say too many calls and so can not even put on hold - Aircanada)

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 11 Mar 2020 22:49

Now corrected!

The western press doesn't give much credit to the Indian effort in ~~these~~ any endeavour

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 11 Mar 2020 23:00

saip wrote:
Vamsee wrote:Ministry of Health
@MoHFW_INDIA

Important decisions taken at the 2nd meeting of GoM on #COVID19 today.
1. All existing visas, except diplomatic, official, UN/International Organizations, employment, project visas, stand suspended till 15th April 2020. This will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure.
2. Visa free travel facility granted to OCI card holders is kept in abeyance till April 15th 2020. This will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure.
3. Any foreign national who intends to travel to India for compelling reason may contact the nearest Indian Mission.
4. All incoming travelers, including Indians, arriving from or having visited China,Italy,Iran,Republic of Korea, France, Spain & Germany after 15th Feb, 2020 shall be quarantined for a minimum period of 14 days.

The above will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure
So there goes my trip to India. Hope the airline/credit card considers this when I cancel my trip. The stupid airline does not even take my calls (say too many calls and so can not even put on hold - Aircanada)

Don't panic Sir.

It is very easy. Just write to the credit card company (don't call) explaining the situation, and tell them that the airline is not responding. Then say clearly that you are NOT going to pay for this ticket come what may given the prevailing situation. .... The credit card company will take care of the rest.

Usually, the consumer laws in the west, particularly in the US, are very much in favor of the consumers.
I have done it many many times refusing to pay for the purchases even if there were slightest doubts, insufficient information, and/or the situation wasn't conducive for the purchase, and did got the ruling in my favor. Definitely my effort was in GOOD FAITH and HONEST in every case. Keep documentations for ALL communications (that's why don't call, rather write). You will do just fine.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Mar 2020 23:06

ramana wrote: My friend flew similar route via Dubai. Got off at Seattle. No issues.
For your safety, While on plane and in Dubai wear a mask and use hand sanitizer liberally.

Thx RamanaGaru.

Boy my visit to Bengaluru has been a disaster. Just wary of visiting my top spots like temples, dosa joints etc; all mostly cancelled.

Every medical store has a sign saying no masks and hand sanitizers. Anybody know where I can get a mask in Bengaluru? Luckily, I have some hand sanitizers at home which I can take. Only problem is given that they are liquids, whether security will let me take them.

Like somebody else said, I am trying to reach Emirates air and I am on hold for the past almost 20 mins and counting. Earlier, after holding 10+ mins, call dropped

.

salaam · Post by **salaam** » 11 Mar 2020 23:28

India suspends all tourist visas.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 582786.cms

saip · Post by **saip** » 11 Mar 2020 23:32

Actually I am waiting for the official news about the cancellation of visas. Both the Indian Embassy at DC and Consulate at SFO have nothing on their website so far. I do not know how long it will take for them to wake up.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 11 Mar 2020 23:37

Vamsee wrote:Ministry of Health
@MoHFW_INDIA

Important decisions taken at the 2nd meeting of GoM on #COVID19 today.
1. All existing visas, except diplomatic, official, UN/International Organizations, employment, project visas, stand suspended till 15th April 2020. This will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure.
2. Visa free travel facility granted to OCI card holders is kept in abeyance till April 15th 2020. This will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure.
3. Any foreign national who intends to travel to India for compelling reason may contact the nearest Indian Mission.
4. All incoming travelers, including Indians, arriving from or having visited China,Italy,Iran,Republic of Korea, France, Spain & Germany after 15th Feb, 2020 shall be quarantined for a minimum period of 14 days.

The above will come into effect from 1200 GMT on 13th March 2020 at the port of departure

Item 1 should also not be allowed. Lot of Chinese, Korean, Japanese etc have project visas. People in category 1 can also obtain special permission if required.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 11 Mar 2020 23:45

ramana wrote:
hanumadu wrote:Peak flu season in most of India other than cold places like Kashmir, probably Himachal is July to September during the rainy season. If this virus is not contained by then, India will have to take more drastic measures. Even if it is contained, India has to be vigilant against this virus.

Again this is not flu. The virus does not survive temp above 25 degree C.
India has been very vigilant about COVID-19.
The main sources are idiots from Kerala who concealed their Italy trip and others who went to Iran.
The cases from Wuhan were quarantined and have recovered.

Don't be a Cassandra like some forum members for its insulting to those in charge who are doing everything to contain this virus.

I don't trust the CDC folks who are there in every virus outbreak in the world.
What are they doing there is suspicious.

Why were the Italy returnees able to infect others if the virus did not survive greater than 25 degree centigrade. Average temperatures in Kerala are higher than 25 degrees. The lowest temperatures are still slightly below 25.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 12 Mar 2020 00:07

Quick note here. You do NOT need hand-sanitizers like Purel, etc. to keep the coronavirus at bay. Regular hand soap is equally good.

Hand sanitizers are mostly alcohol-based. This makes them superior to ordinary hand soap for killing bacteria. Why? Because, briefly, the exterior structures of bacteria have both lipids (fats) and protein-based structures called peptidoglycans holding them together. Alcohol denatures proteins as well as dissolves fats, hence it is better at attacking both components of the outer envelope of bacteria than hand soap.

Viruses like COVID do NOT have peptidoglycans. Their outer membranes depend entirely on associations between molecules of lipids (fats) to remain intact.

Hand soap is a detergent that is meant to do EXACTLY what is needed to kill the virus: disrupt association between lipids, dissolving the membrane and killing the virus.

As long as you wash your hands thoroughly enough you do not need liquid sanitizers. Just use soap and you will be fine.

tandav · Post by **tandav** » 12 Mar 2020 00:07

chola wrote:Wuhan vlog (from a gori expat) posted five days ago.

Can't leave apartment complex unless you are shopping. They arrest people for walking outside "for no reason." A mall that was always packed is completely abandoned. Almost completely empty.

Wuhan still looks like the stereotypical zombie apocalypse.

If this is the only way you can stop the virus then it is economic armageddon.

With Italy in lockdown and French, German, US cases rising, this is the beginning of a global recession.

Civic Infra has top notch design implementation and maintenance... and Wuhan is a second tier city I believe. We need to up our game... the shoddy quality of our city infrastructure needs radical overhaul

nam · Post by **nam** » 12 Mar 2020 00:20

So GoI has now locked down India.

Anyone coming in should be quarantined for atleast 10 days Period.

As I said in an earlier post, letting people in just because they don't have temperature is nonsense.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Mar 2020 00:40

pune traffic police

good work

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2020 00:49

CRamS wrote:
ramana wrote: My friend flew similar route via Dubai. Got off at Seattle. No issues.
For your safety, While on plane and in Dubai wear a mask and use hand sanitizer liberally.
Thx RamanaGaru.

Boy my visit to Bengaluru has been a disaster. Just wary of visiting my top spots like temples, dosa joints etc; all mostly cancelled.

Every medical store has a sign saying no masks and hand sanitizers. Anybody know where I can get a mask in Bengaluru? Luckily, I have some hand sanitizers at home which I can take. Only problem is given that they are liquids, whether security will let me take them.

Like somebody else said, I am trying to reach Emirates air and I am on hold for the past almost 20 mins and counting. Earlier, after holding 10+ mins, call dropped .

You just need enough hand sanitizer for the flight.
So pour that amount into small plastic bottles and proceed.
One per each person so there will be enough for every body.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2020 00:49

chetak wrote:pune traffic police

good work

Every one has their pet peeve.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2020 00:51

It seems WHO declared its a pandemic!
And Dow Jones crashed!

It was a pandemic when cases showed up in Italy and Iran quite far away from Wuhan.

Thank the geniuses at WHO for finally saying it a month late.