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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 28 Mar 2020 17:56

Some positive news on the ventilator front - please pray we never get to that level.
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/co ... 99488.html

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is trying to develop 'multi-patient ventilators', wherein several patients can be supported by a single ventilator to meet the huge demand if the Covid-19 outbreak goes out of control.

"This innovation is expected to be available within a week. Around 5,000 ventilators will be produced in the first month and 10,000 subsequently. The DRDO has identified local alternatives to the supply of critical components. Already Secretary (Pharmaceuticals) has identified nine companies for design transfer to produce and Anand Mahindra for the fabrication of components. Each ventilator unit will cost around Rs four lakh," the government said in a statement.

It said since COVID-19 affects pulmonary functions, keeping in mind the futuristic requirement, the Society for Biomedical Technology (SBMT) programme of the DRDO has been modified to cater to the current situation. Defence Bio-Engineering and Electro Medical Laboratory (DEBEL), Bangalore (a DRDO lab), has identified a vendor, Scanray Tech, Mysore, to produce critical care ventilator. It has been created by using existing technologies like breath regulators, pressure/flow sensors, etc.

Reportedly, the Union government has already reached out to five automakers -- Tata Motors, Mahindra and Mahindra (M&M), Hyundai Motor India, to explore the possibility of making ventilators at their plants.

It is estimated that India has only about 40,000 ventilators at present, including about 8,500 in public hospitals. Kerala, which currently has the largest number of COVID 19 patients, has about 5,000 ventilators; Mumbai has less than 1,000; 1,500 in Tamil Nadu; and 1,800 in Madhya Pradesh.

In some eastern states, the number of ventilators is in single digits. The Health Ministry has reportedly asked a public sector unit to make 10,000 ventilators and another 30,000 would be supplied by Bharat Electricals, a PSU under the Ministry of Defence, by June, Health Ministry Joint Secretary Lav Agarwal has said.

The move to invite corporates to make multi-patient ventilators is also being experimented by the United States, where the number of COVID-19 patients has crossed over a lakh. Major auto giants like Ford and General Motors are working on war footing to manufacture ventilators. On Friday, Ventec Life Systems and General Motors announced a partnership to produce more than 10,000 ventilators per month starting as early as April.

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Postby Karan M » 28 Mar 2020 18:01

https://www.deccanherald.com/business/e ... 18231.html

Dr A K Singh, the Director General of Life Sciences, DRDO Headquarters, New Delhi, explained that BEL had other companies had been approached because the major Indian manufacturer of ventilators, the Mysuru-based Skanray Technologies Private Ltd, is currently able to only manufacture a peak of 5,000 units per month. “DRDO had originally developed indigenous ventilator technology about 8-9 years ago. which was in turn bought out by Skanray Technologies. To enhance the capacity of existing technology and to hasten the process, they approached DRDO, which is now provisioning various critical components, either through alternatives or getting them manufactured through our industrial base, or helping them in tweaking the design. We are holding their hands on this,” Dr Singh told DH.

In a statement, Skanray said it is drawing up plans to locally assemble nearly one lakh ventilators in India. According to Dr Singh, Skanray is set to get the order to commence manufacturing within a day or two.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 28 Mar 2020 18:05

Found the original PR - looks like N99 masks and full body suits are suffering from less capacity and works availability but if the license holders are actually making the numbers - not just capacity, its a good number.

https://orissadiary.com/drdo-developing ... edium=post
DRDO developing body suits for medical staff, five layer N99 masks, hand sanitizer and ventilators in nation’s fight against COVID-19
March 28, 2020 35

New Delhi: Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has been tracking the spread of Coronavirus (COVID-19) since the world media started reporting its devastating impact in China’s Wuhan Province. The DRDO took a call in first week of March 2020 to enhance efforts to create counter measures to stop the spread of the disease in India. By then, the number of affected people in India had already crossed 30. It also started focusing on creating mass supply solutions of critical medical requirements, if COVID-19 becomes a crisis. As a result of focused approach, at present DRDO is ready with four different items ready to be deployed in ‘War against Corona’.

Hand sanitizer

Hand sanitizer being the basic instrument against spread of COVID-19 that has now been developed in-house at DRDO. By 3rd week of March, it was produced in sizable quantities and distributed to major offices and establishment within the capital. Approximately 4,000 litres of hand sanitizer has been provided to Indian Armed forces, Armed Forces Medical Corps, Defence Security Corps, 1,500 litres to Ministry of Defence, 300 litres to Parliament, and 500 litres to various security establishments and high offices to address sanitization issue at first to keep administration work without fear of contamination.

In the present scenario, Delhi Police (DP) is serving by managing law and order situation, hence to keep them safe at this point of time, DRDO has provided 20,000 three ply masks and 1,000 litres of hand sanitizers. In addition, DRDO has distributed hand sanitizers to DP at about 40 nakas all around Delhi.

The DRDO is ready to provide more hand sanitizers in large quantities to the concerned. Initially a DRDO lab, Defence Research & Development Establishment (DRDE), Gwalior has produced approximately 20,000 litres to cater initial requirements of its employees and government offices/ministries. In the meantime, DRDO identified a vendor with the WHO formulation with M/s Gwalior Alco Brew Pvt Ltd, Gwalior (DRDE Gwalior is providing technical support; scientists are positioned with the company the check the quality). Total capacity is 20,000 to 30,000 litres per day in 200-500 ml bottles. The cost is less than Rs 120/litre (including GST).

Ventilators

Since COVID-19 affects pulmonary functions, keeping in mind the futuristic requirement, Society for Biomedical Technology (SBMT) programme of DRDO has been modified to cater to the current situation. Defence Bio-Engineering & Electro Medical Laboratory (DEBEL), Bangalore (a DRDO lab) has identified a vendor (M/s Scanray Tech Pvt Ltd, Mysore) to produce critical care ventilator. It has been created by using existing technologies like breath regulators, pressure/flow sensors, etc. Presently, innovation is on to create ‘Multi patient ventilator’ wherein several patient can be supported by a single ventilator. This innovation is expected to be available within a week. Around 5,000 ventilators will be produces in the first month and 10,000 subsequently. The DRDO has identified local alternatives to supply of critical components. Already Secretary (Pharmaceuticals) has identified nine companies for design transfer to produce and Mr Anand Mahindra for fabrication of components. Each ventilator unit will cost around Rs four lakh.

N99 masks

Five layer N99 masks with two layers of nano mesh are very advanced. These are one of the critical times to stop spread of Corona. Its production vendors are M/s Venus Industries Mumbai, M/s IMTEC Kolkata. Capacity is 10,000 N99 masks per day. Material for these are is sourced from Ahmedabad Textile Industry’s Research Association, which is already having plenty of government orders for N95 masks. The mask costs Rs 70 per piece.

Body Suits

Body suit is critical requirement for doctors, medical staff, sanitations workers, etc so that they are not contracted by COVID-19 during their work. Earlier, DRDO had developed this body suit for medical & paramedical staff to manage & evacuate the causalities in the event of radiological emergencies, which right now is converted as a full body suit to stop contamination. The suit is washable and has passed the ASTM International standards. The suit is widely tested by DRDO and other agencies and found suitable for the cause. M/s Frontier Protective Wear Pvt Ltd Kolkata, transfer of technology holder that is already working with Ministry of Textiles, and M/s Medikit Pvt Ltd Mumbai are producing 10,000 suits per day with some works continuity problems. Each suit costs Rs 7,000.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 28 Mar 2020 18:10

I literally loathe posting all this because its a bit worrisome but given the lead time, its good we are doing so and have all hands on deck.

https://starofmysore.com/city-based-skanray-to-assemble-nearly-one-lakh-ventilators/

Confirming that Skanray was looking to ramp up its production to meet emergency needs, Vishwaprasad Alva, Founder and Managing Director of Skanray, told Star of Mysore that the DRDO has assured that they will airlift the critical ventilator components to Mysuru for assembling.

“Skanray has healthcare technology solutions to counter the COVID-19 epidemic and is ramping up its production at its Mysuru unit and in Bologna in Italy to about 25 times its current capacity to gear up for the emergency need of the nation and the countries where it is active.

“The National demand is for about 1,00,000 units while the capacity is currently 5,000 units per month taking the capacity and support of Ramesh Kannan, Managing Director, Kaynes Technologies, Narendra, Managing Director, Vinyas Innovative, Sunil Banwari, Managing Director, AT&S, Suchitra, Operations Head, Cyient and Sanjeev Gupta, Managing Director, Lahari Electronics System Development and Maintenance (ESDM). All these firms are in Mysuru to make it a Technology Response Hub,” he said.

“Mysuru DC Abhiram Sankar personally met the ESDM team and reviewed the readiness to respond to the demand. He has created a National COVID-19 Technology Response Team with the Mysuru ESDM members to make 1,000 units to the State requirement on top priority and to be also ready to serve the 1,00,000 units of the country at the time of crisis,” Alva added.


On Mar. 21, Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw took to Twitter to urge the Indian Government to procure ventilators produced by Skanray. The company is India’s largest exporter of modern medical equipment and has its installations in about 80 countries around the world as Skanray and as an Original Equipment Manufacturer to the large Global med-tech companies. A ventilator costs anywhere between Rs. 5 lakh and Rs. 12 lakh and several critical components are imported, and that supply has stopped because European countries supplying them have stopped exporting in order to cater to their own needs. Skanray currently has the ability to produce 200 ventilators a month at its Mysuru facility.


https://www.cnbctv18.com/healthcare/bengaluru-based-skanray-aims-to-make-1-lakh-ventilators-opens-up-design-ip-5540741.htm

As India prepares to deal with the fast-spreading COVID-19 epidemic in the country, Bengaluru-based ventilator exporter Skanray Technologies has ramped up its capacities to support the requirement of the critical care equipment.

The company plans to utilise the network of component suppliers & local manufacturers to ramp up production to 1 lakh in 2-3 months time.

“The idea is to share the design and certain critical components with other companies, which can locally manufacture these ventilators quickly. We are opening up our design IP,” Vishwaprasad Alva, Founder and Managing Director of Skanray Technologies told CNBC-TV18.

Skanray is working with government's think-tank Niti Aayog, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), Director General of Health Services and the government of Karnataka on design and supply of locally-sourced components.

The DRDO, in particular, is helping Skanray find equivalent components from other industries. DRDO will help source local components from aeronautical, entertainment and auto industry that can be used in ventilators with a few design changes.

“This is the only way to overcome the shortage. There are components like flow and volume censors that are used in aeronautical industry, which can be used in ventilators too. We just need to alter the design and check for safety,” Alva said.

The company plans to manufacture 1 lakh locally-assembled ventilators in the next two-three months. The company currently has the capacity to manufacture 200 units, and is planning to gradually scale up to make 5,000 units in a month’s time before ramping it up to 30,000 and then to 1 lakh.


Healthcare experts say India could need 1,00,000 ventilators depending on how the COVID-19 epidemic spreads across the country. The SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the COVID-19 disease, affects both upper and lower respiratory tract and critical patients require ventilator support.

The government of Karnataka has placed an order for 1,100 ventilators with Skanray.

The company says orders for 7000 more ventilators are in the final stages from state governments of Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Kerala, Tamil Nadu. We will be finalising these orders in a few days, Alva said.

The central government has yet not placed any orders with any company as yet.

“The government shuold consolidate its requirements quickly and place the orders, so we have a clear understanding of what the government wants and we can plan accordingly.”


Skanray has already manufactured one model with lower import content and the redesign was drawn in just 15 days, he added.

The critical components needed for medical devices sector has seen a sharp rise in demand.

However, components for other industries are in good supply and that situation can be utilised in favour of critical equipment manufacture in India.

Currently, no company manufactures 100 percent indigenous ventilators in India. Most companies either import, assemble or partially produce it with components sourced from Europe, US and China.

But this supply has been hampered with the countries restricting critical exports owing to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Other companies like Vadodara-based Max Ventilators and Air Liquide manufacture partially. The rest either import or assemble ventilators in India.

GE Healthcare and Philips import ventilators and other critical care equipment from their global manufacturing hubs.

The government is in talks with all manufacturers to ramp up capacities and collaborate on design elements that can be locally produced.
Skanray makes compressor-based ventilators, which the company says will be optimum for use for care for critical COVID-19 patients. The cost ranges from Rs 5 lakh to 12 lakh.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby vijayk » 28 Mar 2020 18:12

arshyam wrote:
Tanaji wrote:What is the opinion on the study by John Hopkins CDDEP group that was released on march 24th? Essentially it predicts that a peak will occur in May with 12-25 crore infections, 12-25 lakh hospitalisation but does not talk about deaths.

Uses the indiaSIM model as basis. I think this is the same group as the one that was interviewed by Burkha Dutt...

Yes saar, same guy.

OpIndia did some background digging, and what did they find?

The truth behind “expert” Ramanan Laxminarayanan, who is being promoted by media to create Coronavirus panic


Separately, Swarajya also looked at his tall claims and came up with this:

Is India Staring At More Than 200 Million Coronavirus Infections? Dr Laxminarayan’s Conclusions In BBC Interview Are Questionable
First, in the interview, Dr Laxminarayan didn’t refer to conclusions from mathematical models applied on the Indian situation. He referred to the conclusion of those models in the case of US and UK, and using simple cross multiplication, applied them to the Indian numbers.

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SCUMBAGs used John Hopkins logo illegally. Burkha scum Dutt and this scumbag should be arrested for fraud

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby arvin » 28 Mar 2020 18:24

Karan M wrote:What is the forum's opinion on the mass movement of migrant laborers?
I am hoping it is a storm in a teacup because community transmission hasn't (hopefully) taken off


They should stay put where they are. Govt should take care of them. Walking hundreds of km is risky. Yesterday 4 people from vasai, Maharashtra on way to Rajasthan met with a fatal accident on the highway. Roads are a bigger killer than corona
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... GRUiL.html
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Postby chola » 28 Mar 2020 18:25

Rsatchi wrote:
Tanaji wrote:There are multiple videos of peacefuls congregating in large numbers in their markets. One of the many I saw was from Mumbra on outskirts of Mumbai. Two policemen were trying to enforce the curfew, peacefuls gather and beat them up. Similar incidents at many places.

I don’t think the lockdown will be sustainable after 2 weeks maximum

https://www.facebook.com/16228427447763 ... n__=EEHH-R
And open calls like this as well as news on twitter of peaceful begums claiming asking brethren to join hands to defy curfew so that all kaffirs can be killed by CORONA as quran will protect them :eek: :eek:


This no joke. There are scum acting on this:

https://www.ibtimes.com/indias-infosys-fires-employee-social-media-post-calling-spread-virus-2948498


India's Infosys Fires Employee For Social Media Post Calling To ‘Spread The Virus’

By Tarun Mazumdar
03/28/20 AT 4:07 AM


Indian IT services company Infosys (NYSE: INFY) fired an employee after he called for spreading the coronavirus by sneezing in public without covering the face mouth. The man, employed at the company's office in the southern Indian city of Bengalure, was arrested by the police over the Facebook post which has now been deleted. He was identified by local media as Mujeeb Mohammad, a senior technology architect, with Infosys.

According to India TV, Mohammad had posted a message on Facebook asking people to spread the deadly coronavirus. “Let's join hands, go out and sneeze with open mouth in public. Spread the virus.”

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Postby Thakur_B » 28 Mar 2020 18:26

Karan M wrote:What is the forum's opinion on the mass movement of migrant laborers?
I am hoping it is a storm in a teacup because community transmission hasn't (hopefully) taken off


It is really heartbreaking to see fellow citizens suffer. This is the little slip between the cup and the lip. A lot of these labourers live shacked up with 10-15 others in a dinghy apartment. They can't risk catching disease where they live. No work means no money for food.

Propaganda or not, the exodus is real. Not just labours but blue collar workers as well. Most of our contractors' employees left for their homes on motorcycles as soon as PM was done with his speech.

We are making do with around 20% strength of technicians, hoping nothing goes kaput in coming 3 weeks. The boys have been issued authorisation letter from our organisation as per MHA circular, as we fall under essential services, but the speed of lathi exceeds the speed with which the boys can pull the letter out of their pocket. Plus some of the police men have not been accepting the authorisation and still imposing fines or impounding vehicles.

Hope sanity prevails in coming days.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby nam » 28 Mar 2020 18:27

Karan M wrote:What is the forum's opinion on the mass movement of migrant laborers?
I am hoping it is a storm in a teacup because community transmission hasn't (hopefully) taken off


I hope, most of them are construction workers, who would generally not come in contact with our foreign return idiots.

However there will be some cases. Generally the spread is quite large in a very large gathering, like stadiums(happened in italy & spain) or religious gathering.

People travelling will not get together in thousands in one place. It is a moving stream. People walking in open space is not much of a threat. It is always a closed space where the infection spread.

Having said that, we have no choice but to monitor the regions in UP & Bihar. Governments should work with panchayats to quarantine these people for next two weeks inside their house.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby amar_p » 28 Mar 2020 18:32

After some persistent digging, I found that French public health department publishes a very detailed weekly report on Covid-19. The last published report is from 24th March. Next one on 31st March.

PDF in French can be accessed from https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/maladies-et-traumatismes/maladies-et-infections-respiratoires/infection-a-coronavirus/documents/bulletin-national/covid-19-point-epidemiologique-du-24-mars-2020

It states that as on 24/03/2020, 101046 tests were conducted of which 20 068 were positive. During Week 12, about 60000 tests were conducted of 13000 were positive. So I stand corrected wrt to my earlier post on this topic. They have week wise positive/tested graphs but can't embed them here.

Does anyone know if Indian MHFW publishes a similar report? Thanks

Since France seems to be unfortunately ahead on this pandemic curve, I'm hoping we can extract some useful pointers for India.

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Postby nam » 28 Mar 2020 18:35

Indian testing per day is around 2k-2.5k.

ICMR does a daily release of data, along with testing numbers. You can see the daily increment in testing numbers.

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Postby chola » 28 Mar 2020 18:49

Thakur_B wrote: The boys have been issued authorisation letter from our organisation as per MHA circular, as we fall under essential services, but the speed of lathi exceeds the speed with which the boys can pull the letter out of their pocket. Plus some of the police men have not been accepting the authorisation and still imposing fines or impounding vehicles.

Hope sanity prevails in coming days.


I've seen the beating videos (they are all over YT) and I am very uneasy about them. It is for the greater good. But it still hurts to see them beat other Indians like that. Why so
quick with the lathi? Can there not be a little more understanding and a lighter touch in these unprecedented times?

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Postby kvraghav » 28 Mar 2020 18:55

So France testing to positive rate is 20 %. As on 27th, india has tested approx 28000 samples and have approx 700 positives. So that is 2.5%. I am wondering why? We are actually testing high risk group like direct contacts. This again might be due to our general resilience towards flu like viruses.

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Postby nam » 28 Mar 2020 18:58

Seeing some delhi images of people waiting for DTC buses to UP.

This might be a disaster in waiting. Sigh. I might sound cruel, but the transport should not have been arranged. People are now crowded waiting to get in. Delhi government should have paid the rent money, instead of pushing them away from Delhi.

If they are walking, atleast they will not be bunched together like this.

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Postby nam » 28 Mar 2020 19:06

Another point, are our migrant workers that poor that they don't have any savings to survive for couple of weeks? I find it difficult to believe.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Manish_P » 28 Mar 2020 19:08

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Postby Thakur_B » 28 Mar 2020 19:16

nam wrote:Another point, are our migrant workers that poor that they don't have any savings to survive for couple of weeks? I find it difficult to believe.


What is so hard to believe in it? A significant chunk of daily wagers are hand to mouth.

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Postby Bart S » 28 Mar 2020 19:16

Karan M wrote:What is the forum's opinion on the mass movement of migrant laborers?
I am hoping it is a storm in a teacup because community transmission hasn't (hopefully) taken off


The horse already bolted before the lockdown via crowded trains that were not cancelled untill after the lockdown was put in place. What we see right now are a few stragglers who deserve sympathy and help but whose cases are being amplified by the media circus. Whatever mass migration could happen, has already happened, for better or worse. In the cities these people live in crowded tenements and could be a risk had they stayed, OTOH they could carry back the infection all corners of the country. Only time will tell.

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Postby Bart S » 28 Mar 2020 19:21

chola wrote:
Thakur_B wrote: The boys have been issued authorisation letter from our organisation as per MHA circular, as we fall under essential services, but the speed of lathi exceeds the speed with which the boys can pull the letter out of their pocket. Plus some of the police men have not been accepting the authorisation and still imposing fines or impounding vehicles.

Hope sanity prevails in coming days.


I've seen the beating videos (they are all over YT) and I am very uneasy about them. It is for the greater good. But it still hurts to see them beat other Indians like that. Why so
quick with the lathi? Can there not be a little more understanding and a lighter touch in these unprecedented times?


Put yourself in their shoes. Even if you try to be compassionate, there are so many idiots testing your patience that you start seeing them all in the same light.

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Postby Bart S » 28 Mar 2020 19:24

nam wrote:Seeing some delhi images of people waiting for DTC buses to UP.

This might be a disaster in waiting. Sigh. I might sound cruel, but the transport should not have been arranged. People are now crowded waiting to get in. Delhi government should have paid the rent money, instead of pushing them away from Delhi.

If they are walking, atleast they will not be bunched together like this.


TN has done an excellent job of housing these stranded workers in community halls, providing food etc. So has KA to some extent. The states that have failed miserably at this seem to be Kerala and Delhi (both socialist model states with their leaders regularly being praised by media for their concern for the proletariat).

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Postby Ambar » 28 Mar 2020 19:24

The Delhi govt could have mitigated this but no, they purposefully fear mongered aided by the crooked media to wreck havoc in UP and Bihar . DTS buses are taking migrant workers and pushing them off near border towns creating chaos and confusion. The last thing one wants in time of an epidemic is for people to move in masses from cities to smaller towns and villages. There's only so much the central government can do unless the state governments manage law and order, help the most vulnerable with food , shelter and healthcare.

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Postby nam » 28 Mar 2020 19:32

Hydroxychloroquine is showing viral reduction.

https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/1243855854983475203

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Postby DrRatnadip » 28 Mar 2020 19:34

Thakur_B wrote:
nam wrote:Another point, are our migrant workers that poor that they don't have any savings to survive for couple of weeks? I find it difficult to believe.


What is so hard to believe in it? A significant chunk of daily wagers are hand to mouth.

Most people I talked to in pune are not convinced that curfew will last for only 2 weeks.. Many think that this will last for at least 3 months.. May be this uncertainty is reason they chose to migrate..

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Postby Deans » 28 Mar 2020 19:54

nam wrote:Another point, are our migrant workers that poor that they don't have any savings to survive for couple of weeks? I find it difficult to believe.


90% of Indian households have less than Rs 10,000 in cash or liquid assets (excluding gold ornaments). An individual worker will have less. That's the reality of India.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby suryag » 28 Mar 2020 19:55

Idiots should understand nothing bad would happen if they stay indoors for another week. All doctors(specifically the ones in India) my shathakoti pranaams to you, you are all like soldiers on the frontlines, may lord Hanuman protect you all.

BTW, after the communal Modi ask people to make noise at 5PM to applaud the medical workers for their services, British PM BoJo also had this done in London I believe, can someone confirm if this is true ?

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Ambar » 28 Mar 2020 20:00

suryag wrote:Idiots should understand nothing bad would happen if they stay indoors for another week. All doctors(specifically the ones in India) my shathakoti pranaams to you, you are all like soldiers on the frontlines, may lord Hanuman protect you all.

BTW, after the communal Modi ask people to make noise at 5PM to applaud the medical workers for their services, British PM BoJo also had this done in London I believe, can someone confirm if this is true ?


Yes, it happened across Britain and Australia too. Its only the Indian liberals,leftists and our mainstream media who are low enough to mock people thanking doctors and police at a time of a global pandemic.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Deans » 28 Mar 2020 20:02

kvraghav wrote:So France testing to positive rate is 20 %. As on 27th, india has tested approx 28000 samples and have approx 700 positives. So that is 2.5%. I am wondering why? We are actually testing high risk group like direct contacts. This again might be due to our general resilience towards flu like viruses.


This is what makes me optimistic. We are indeed testing those most likely to have got the virus (using European test kits so far, not the Chinese stuff that fails to detect 30% of positives). 2.5% suggests a very low rate of infection spread. Half of those who were positive were level 1 cases (caught it abroad), if we have a 2.5% positive (or 1 in 40), it means each of them infected only 1 of 80 people they came in contact with.
The only other countries that have this low rate are SoKo / UAE/Kuwait - where the testing base was much higher and more liberal, or Vietnam, where there are very few cases. I believe following the cluster of Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka would be a far better indicator of how this might spread (similar climate, income levels, foreign returnees etc).

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby jpremnath » 28 Mar 2020 20:03

Bart S wrote:
nam wrote:Seeing some delhi images of people waiting for DTC buses to UP.

This might be a disaster in waiting. Sigh. I might sound cruel, but the transport should not have been arranged. People are now crowded waiting to get in. Delhi government should have paid the rent money, instead of pushing them away from Delhi.

If they are walking, atleast they will not be bunched together like this.


TN has done an excellent job of housing these stranded workers in community halls, providing food etc. So has KA to some extent. The states that have failed miserably at this seem to be Kerala and Delhi (both socialist model states with their leaders regularly being praised by media for their concern for the proletariat).


In kerala, they have opened community kitchens which delivers free and subsidised food which is being delivered to houses by local government bodies. Even the migrant workers are covered by this. The only negative was they couldn't control when a significant number of migrant labourers crowded the trains in the days prior to shutdown. But the situation is no way similar to Delhi

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby SriKumar » 28 Mar 2020 20:09

chola wrote:
Thakur_B wrote: The boys have been issued authorisation letter from our organisation as per MHA circular, as we fall under essential services, but the speed of lathi exceeds the speed with which the boys can pull the letter out of their pocket. Plus some of the police men have not been accepting the authorisation and still imposing fines or impounding vehicles.

Hope sanity prevails in coming days.


I've seen the beating videos (they are all over YT) and I am very uneasy about them. It is for the greater good. But it still hurts to see them beat other Indians like that. Why so quick with the lathi? Can there not be a little more understanding and a lighter touch in these unprecedented times?
In my experience, there is greater individual freedom (not rights, but freedom) in India than in the US, especially when it comes to public spaces. Reasons being two-fold: signigicantly reduced enforcement due to resources, and, a much more fractured, heterogenous social, religious and political structure. We are seeing that in action now.

You can do things in India in public and you would get away scott-free or with a slap on the wrist, that would get you arrested in the US. I did not see the vidoes but a lot of people will not follow govt orders (govt= city or state) for many reasons, some justified (govt plans not thought through) and some unjustified (I wont it 'cose I dont feel like it). Another aspect to consider: even if there is 99% compliance (unlikely), in a city like Mumbai with about 15 million people that's 150,000 people not compliant....and the police force is spread thin in this situation. They have to enforce, and also send a message to the rest.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby amar_p » 28 Mar 2020 20:13

kvraghav wrote:So France testing to positive rate is 20 %. As on 27th, india has tested approx 28000 samples and have approx 700 positives. So that is 2.5%. I am wondering why? We are actually testing high risk group like direct contacts. This again might be due to our general resilience towards flu like viruses.


France's testing policy as stated by the Health Minister is to test only : "Those who have serious symptoms coherent with Covid-19, those ill patients who are fragile or at risk who present symptoms, and the first three people with symptoms who live in a home for elderly or fragile people, in order to stop the virus spreading to other residents. All people in hospital who show symptoms and medical staff members will also be considered a priority."

What is the policy followed by Indian health authorities?

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby kvraghav » 28 Mar 2020 20:20

India is all the above plus positive cases and their direct contacts.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Bart S » 28 Mar 2020 20:24

jpremnath wrote:
Bart S wrote:
TN has done an excellent job of housing these stranded workers in community halls, providing food etc. So has KA to some extent. The states that have failed miserably at this seem to be Kerala and Delhi (both socialist model states with their leaders regularly being praised by media for their concern for the proletariat).


In kerala, they have opened community kitchens which delivers free and subsidised food which is being delivered to houses by local government bodies. Even the migrant workers are covered by this. The only negative was they couldn't control when a significant number of migrant labourers crowded the trains in the days prior to shutdown. But the situation is no way similar to Delhi


https://www.ndtv.com/kerala-news/karnat ... rt-2202175
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/m ... agu-121296
https://amaravathipost.com/karnataka/mi ... in-kodagu/
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 853852.cms

Can happen in any state, but when said state claims to be commie utopia, deserves to be called out. Delhi is of course worse affected, due to it being a major economic hub with a massive amount of migrant labour.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby nam » 28 Mar 2020 20:33

Majority of the countries's pandemic response follow the same the procedure when it comes to testing. They first and foremost test high risk groups. US, UK, India etc follow the same process.

US vice president, when he has said loudly, "if you feel you have symptoms, please go for test. Not because you feel the need to test"

Just because SK is doing indiscriminate testing, does not mean it is the only way. We need more educated people in media. Clueless journos. Fear seems to have over taken logic.

If you do indiscriminate testing, how can you guarantee that the person is not going to get infected in the next 5 minutes? Unless you keep testing the person everyday...

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Bart S » 28 Mar 2020 20:37

Pretty shocking video, nailing the culpability of the WHO at all levels, not just Tedros:
https://twitter.com/HKWORLDCITY/status/ ... 1448169474

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby vimal » 28 Mar 2020 20:38

https://www.ndtv.com/kerala-news/karnat ... rt-2202175
Karnataka-Kerala Border Closed Amid Lockdown, Woman From Bihar Delivers Baby In Ambulance: Report

This one is really bad case. I'm also confused by the whole story about migrant labors from Bihar working in Kerala dependent on Karnataka for medical care. Is the healthcare so bad in the commie heaven that people have to cross the state borders to get even basic medical treatment.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby nam » 28 Mar 2020 20:39

On the question on why the migrants are moving to UP. It is not because they don't have money..

https://twitter.com/SeemaSindhu/status/1243833577323859969


I spoke to few myself. Not going coz of lack of resources. Have ample to eat. Many feeling homesickness in idleness n many thinking of getting wages in villages in harvest season n thinking of coming back after harvest season. Money spins the world. Most if it is mania

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Bart S » 28 Mar 2020 20:41

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/afte ... tervention

Amazing pictures in that article, it's almost like KA expects a zombie apocalypse from KL spilling over. Good move I think, given that the 'peaceful' neighboring districts are out of control and not listening to anyone. Yesterday 4 policemen were attacked and injured in Kasargod.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Ambar » 28 Mar 2020 20:42

For the 2nd time in 2 months the national capital is witnessing a complete collapse architected and orchestrated by Kejriwal and company. Looks like the BIF preparation for UP and Bihar elections have begun.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby vimal » 28 Mar 2020 20:45

https://twitter.com/VikasSaraswat/statu ... 9842957312

UPSRTC buses have reached Gandhi Maidan, Patna. UP Govt is not as rich as Delhi but they are sending labourers to Bihar, Rajasthan and MP. Kejriwal, if he wanted the people out also could have arranged some buses to nearby districts at least but he dumped them on the UP border

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Sachin » 28 Mar 2020 20:51

amar_p wrote:Dears, why so much focus on what this community or that group or some individual(s) are doing wrong in this Resource thread? Aren't we getting enough of this gupshup from mainstream media already ??

When you read news like India's Infosys Fires Employee For Social Media Post Calling To ‘Spread The Virus’, and see Facebook posts from the so called best of this "community", then there would be lots of others from other communities who wish to know how this "community" is behaving in general. Sorry to say this, but due to some past actions from certain communities the trust on them would have got reduced amongst the general population.


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