Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby hanumadu » 01 Apr 2020 21:53

Karan M wrote:
hanumadu wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/74925585.cmsutm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

2,361 evacuated from nizamuddin markaz. 617 showing symptoms are hospitalized while the "rest are home quarantined". Shouldn't they be hospitalized too? They are almost certain to break home quarantine. We only have two more weeks to control the infection or else the lock down has to be extended. In total more than 8000 seems to have attended the 'congregation'. Imagine tracing all of them when they are not even willing to come forward to identify themselves and then their contacts. My blood is boiling at that POS quam.

How did so many people fit in one mosque? Sounds disgusting even to think about it.


This is my biggest concern with these large scale quarantine facilities with people packed right next to each other. Stagnant air supply, p!ss poor hygiene habits (many openly clear their throat), constant coughing (which is a factor of the disease itself) and you are set up for a bad scenario.

Please see this video - I encourage everyone to see it. Even if you have the seasonal flu or cold, seeing this may make you re-evaluate.



There is no other choice. Frankly if the mullahs end up infection to each other, I have no issue with it.
But the goal of mass quarantine is to prevent the rapid spread of the virus among the general populace. It's about flattening the curve. In the process, some who are healthy might get infected in the quarantine. Unfortunately, it's unavoidable.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby somdev » 01 Apr 2020 21:54

Berlin working on an exit strategy .... will issue coronavirus antibody certificates to allow quarantined to re-enter society

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... r-covid-19

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby hanumadu » 01 Apr 2020 21:58

https://twitter.com/ManMundra/status/1245320146568318976?s=20

Manish Mundra
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I will still close my eyes and work for everyone irrespective of religion. But it’s becoming tough day by day. This one sided narrative of secularism is suffocating. They are pushing me in the corner. At least come forward and criticize for what is wrong!

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby somdev » 01 Apr 2020 22:02

I think on the Tableeghi episode NSA Ajit Doval did the right thing. Instead of getting confrontational he talked him through and made him a stakeholder to track all attendees past and present so that surveillance net can be cast. Time is of essence here and retribution can happen at a later date

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/m ... 2020-04-01

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby suryag » 01 Apr 2020 22:04

I have seen the personal hygiene practised in mosques(most of you would have too) and that could be a major reason for the mass infection

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby brar_w » 01 Apr 2020 22:04

Karan, this is being done in NY. About 10,000 rooms would be converted by the end of April. Student accommodation (rooms and dorms) is being used as are hotel rooms and other government owned properties. Its just that it is a slightly longer process because you have to sign leases and then convert them to the level of care that is needed (from simple beds for sub-acute patients to those who need ventilators). Have the students in larger Indian cities been asked to vacate? If so this could be applied there as well especially in government institutions where taking them over will be very easy. But that too will only be for the higher acuity patients in case the problem explodes like it is doing elsewhere. Probably tens of thousands of additional beds are going to be needed, in NY for example, when the number of active cases climbs to mid 6 figures.

Cities like NY will need tens of thousands of both types of capacity. Ventilators and ICU like facilites, and large areas where they can keep the less critically ill. The alternate is to use hospital wards and common spaces. As the picture below shows those too don't isolate patients. There is just no option. It is freighting to imagine what larger cities will have to do if this gets as bad there.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/03 ... &auto=webp
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 01 Apr 2020 22:09

hanumadu wrote:There is no other choice. Frankly if the mullahs end up infection to each other, I have no issue with it.
But the goal of mass quarantine is to prevent the rapid spread of the virus among the general populace. It's about flattening the curve. In the process, some who are healthy might get infected in the quarantine. Unfortunately, it's unavoidable.


How does one "flatten the curve" by possibly increasing the severity of infection amongst those lightly infected? The mass infection amongst these guys will still overwhelm the medical infra - yes, they don't mass spread in the wider community but they themselves may end up doing so via infecting the medical staff.

These mass quarantine camps may end up becoming recreating the scenario in which those "Tablighi jamat" dimwits got infected - theirs was by wilful disobedience, ignorance. Here, we have something else.
The only caveat I can see is we have deployed these mass quarantine camps for folks coming in from abroad - rates of infection there have been low. However, in most cases there weren't any symptomatic folks. Two questions remain:

1. If herding a bunch of mildly symptomatic folks together actually leads to a neutral outcome (i.e. it doesn't worsen).
2. If this doesn't lead to cross-infection with different viral strains

Typically all these require detailed research but at a time like this we can apply rough common-sensical thumb rules given available information about microdroplets and take measures like the real-estate one.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 01 Apr 2020 22:11

brar_w wrote:Karan, this is being done in NY. About 10,000 rooms would be converted by the end of April. Student accommodation (rooms and dorms) is being used as are hotel rooms and other government owned properties. Its just that it is a slightly longer process because you have to sign leases and then convert them to the level of care that is needed (from simple beds for sub-acute patients to those who need ventilators). Have the students in larger Indian cities been asked to vacate? If so this could be applied there as well especially in government institutions where taking them over will be very easy. But that too will only be for the higher acuity patients in case the problem explodes like it is doing elsewhere. Probably tens of thousands of additional beds are going to be needed, in NY for example, when the number of active cases climbs to mid 6 figures.


We need to do something similar - I think this entire convert a stadium to one large camp with poor ventilation is just another problem which we haven't realized, though I will continue to dig for evidence to the contrary (and why not - it would be good if I am mistaken).

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby fanne » 01 Apr 2020 22:12

Guys, whoever is reading this and whoever can get this to top management. Absolutely important.
3 places that flatten the curve had one thing common and other countries that have not flatten do not have this - Everyone is wearing the mask, both sick and non-sick, symptomatic and non-symptomatic.
Japan has the same old population distribution as Italy, and was second country to get infected after China. It is not as bad because they wear masks in general to avoid common flue, they double downed this time.
Wearing masks mean every time/everywhere except when at home and among non positive people. (Definitely in office, basically when out of own house).

South korea too- watch this video (in general a very good video, but watch after 15 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk7aX5hksU

Czech republic is one that is doing good in Europe, it has nothing different than it neighbors, it maybe in many ways at disadvantage, but they are doing great - only difference is face mask. All other countries are doing all the other measure like Czech - social distancing, closure etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZtEX2-n2Hc


Same reason in Hongkong and now US doctors are also suggesting -
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/cor ... index.html

I have videos in WhatsApp from all 3 places claiming that this made the difference. Can we have govt initiative to procure and distribute to all (or other economically viable means). Our best needs (police, doctors, nurses) better face cover (3 ply and N-95 when near a known source).

Moreover I know in some state level govt the CM and/or Chief secretary has laughed at the idea and banned face mask (as supposedly spreading panic) in govt offices (secretariat). Please let the central govt lead and make in mandatory.

You don't have to be even a smart guy to figure out, why it is effective. Both the sneezing person and person sneezed upon is protected to great extent by the mask, and at least you do not touch your mouth and nose and if you wear spec, nor your eyes.

This should be one of the exit strategy after lock down. We still make our own fabrics and at least make billions of face masks. Please have the message reach the right audience. People opposing face masks are opposing it based on other reasons (political, since XYZ said, I will oppose or support it; or there is no research date from research done over 20 years etc. etc.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby arvin » 01 Apr 2020 22:14

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/s ... 20098.html

Health workers in Telangana surveying the neighborhoods of Nizamuddin Markaz returnees have complained of abuses and information refusal from the locals, in some areas like Nizamabad. Speaking to DH, the district medical and health officer of Nizamabad Dr M Sudharshanam said that some of the minority community members “were repulsive, thinking the survey was part of the NRC.”


April 15 date was set with certain assumptions in mind among them is co-operation from all sections of society. Till sunday it had gone smoothely. Markaz cases has put all calculations to toss.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 01 Apr 2020 22:19

Re Masks

Yes and the PSA agrees with you. Note illustration is by MOHW and the (C)Hindu tried to create a controversy by insinuating both differed. Pathetic bunch of jokers.

The manual - please share as widely as possible. Shows how to make homemade masks and the logic behind it, 70% reduction in transmission of particles smaller than a virus. Even shows a method to use a handkerchief and rubber bands
http://psa.gov.in/sites/default/files/p ... NALpdf.pdf

https://twitter.com/PrinSciAdvOff/statu ... 1509634056

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 914725.cms

Good thing is PSA has relased an advisory on how to make masks at home. Please spread. Its important to disinfect the masks periodically.

Otherwise you will re-infect yourself. Source - usual med places but my own (idiotic) experience, wherein i accidentally reused a mask and got sick all over again. Correlation isn't causation but still.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby brar_w » 01 Apr 2020 22:22

Karan M wrote:
brar_w wrote:Karan, this is being done in NY. About 10,000 rooms would be converted by the end of April. Student accommodation (rooms and dorms) is being used as are hotel rooms and other government owned properties. Its just that it is a slightly longer process because you have to sign leases and then convert them to the level of care that is needed (from simple beds for sub-acute patients to those who need ventilators). Have the students in larger Indian cities been asked to vacate? If so this could be applied there as well especially in government institutions where taking them over will be very easy. But that too will only be for the higher acuity patients in case the problem explodes like it is doing elsewhere. Probably tens of thousands of additional beds are going to be needed, in NY for example, when the number of active cases climbs to mid 6 figures.


We need to do something similar - I think this entire convert a stadium to one large camp with poor ventilation is just another problem which we haven't realized, though I will continue to dig for evidence to the contrary (and why not - it would be good if I am mistaken).


Everyone expecting a spike needs to do both. Even hospitals that currently exist, even the best ones, cannot completely isolate patients in wards or even ICU's given the sheer numbers we are talking about. Protocols are being looked at for sharing ventilators. Its all hands on deck and everyone that needs it, needs to add capacity to the highest level possible with limited workforce constraints, and equipment availability in mind. Those dorms and convention centers are attractive because it is an efficient way to manage a large cohort of sub-acute positive with a small healthcare workforce. Unless you can get complete buildings spreading patients around would have quite an impact on the mobilized workforce, ambulances and other support..This is why GOI and state governments need to look at government universities and transforming class rooms, and student hostels into these. Add capacity now if the larger metros project a spike in cases. Unlike NY, London or Paris..India's major cities still have time.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 01 Apr 2020 22:30

arvin wrote:https://www.deccanherald.com/national/south/telangana-health-surveyors-abused-in-markaz-returnee-localities-820098.html

Health workers in Telangana surveying the neighborhoods of Nizamuddin Markaz returnees have complained of abuses and information refusal from the locals, in some areas like Nizamabad. Speaking to DH, the district medical and health officer of Nizamabad Dr M Sudharshanam said that some of the minority community members “were repulsive, thinking the survey was part of the NRC.”


April 15 date was set with certain assumptions in mind among them is co-operation from all sections of society. Till sunday it had gone smoothely. Markaz cases has put all calculations to toss.


Decades of misbehavior and disregard for the law. And now this. All the appeasement policies have come home to roost.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 01 Apr 2020 22:39

brar_w wrote:
Karan M wrote:
We need to do something similar - I think this entire convert a stadium to one large camp with poor ventilation is just another problem which we haven't realized, though I will continue to dig for evidence to the contrary (and why not - it would be good if I am mistaken).


Everyone expecting a spike needs to do both. Even hospitals that currently exist, even the best ones, cannot completely isolate patients in wards or even ICU's given the sheer numbers we are talking about. Protocols are being looked at for sharing ventilators. Its all hands on deck and everyone that needs it, needs to add capacity to the highest level possible with limited workforce constraints, and equipment availability in mind. Those dorms and convention centers are attractive because it is an efficient way to manage a large cohort of sub-acute positive with a small healthcare workforce. Unless you can get complete buildings spreading patients around would have quite an impact on the mobilized workforce, ambulances and other support..This is why GOI and state governments need to look at government universities and transforming class rooms, and student hostels into these. Add capacity now if the larger metros project a spike in cases. Unlike NY, London or Paris..India's major cities still have time.


Even moderate Apartment complexes in India typically have anywhere around 100-200 flats spread across a handful of towers.


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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 01 Apr 2020 22:41

^^ Indian media back to batting for their favorites.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby yensoy » 01 Apr 2020 22:47

I was curious about the visa rules which were apparently flouted by the Tablighis. This is what I found on the internet - official GoI website https://mha.gov.in/PDF_Other/AnnexI_01022018.pdf
15 Restriction on engaging in tabligh activities
Foreign nationals granted any type of visa and OCI cardholders shall not be permitted to engage
themselves in tabligh work. There will be no restriction in visiting religious places and attending
normal religious activities like attending religious discourses. However, preaching religious
ideologies, making speeches in religious places, distribution of audio or visual display/ pamphlets
pertaining to religious ideologies, spreading conversion etc. will not be allowed.


Unless they have video proof, it's going to be hard to blacklist the foreigners who visited. Better blacklist the Tabligh Jamat itself, I say.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby vijayk » 01 Apr 2020 22:50

wrong thread ... deleting it
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Postby saip » 01 Apr 2020 22:51

Look at the author. He should tell the virus to show compassion and not infection.

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Postby Arun.prabhu » 01 Apr 2020 22:52

Let us all petition the government to file compassionate FIRs and serve loving lathi beatdowns to these misunderstood folks. And hang the treasonous press up street lamps.


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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby suryag » 01 Apr 2020 22:53

BTW we dont need to explain when we deny visas, every country has the right to accept or deny a foreigner's visa application.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby arshyam » 01 Apr 2020 23:03

Who bears the cost of their treatment? We should recover it from them, along the cost incurred for treating those they further infected. Plus a processing fee equal to the value of their total assets. I don't want a naya paisa of my tax money go to help these cretins.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Deans » 01 Apr 2020 23:05

nam wrote:
SRoy wrote:Lock down is going to get extended, looking at the infection rate for last few days and today.


We don't know yet. It has just been 7 days.

The good thing is the increase in the infection rate is after 7 days from the lockdown.

We will know early next week. However GoI might extend it for another 7 days.


If the a$$holes from Nizammuddin are disregarded, the lockdown has worked. Excluding that lot, we will be the slowest to go from 1000 to 2000 cases (also the 2nd slowest after Japan to go from 100 to 1000). Also, the average infected person arriving from abroad has managed to infect just 1 more person to date (against excluding the 2000+ sitting and coughing together in an enclosed space in Nizammuddin).

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby brar_w » 01 Apr 2020 23:37

Karan M wrote:
brar_w wrote:
Everyone expecting a spike needs to do both. Even hospitals that currently exist, even the best ones, cannot completely isolate patients in wards or even ICU's given the sheer numbers we are talking about. Protocols are being looked at for sharing ventilators. Its all hands on deck and everyone that needs it, needs to add capacity to the highest level possible with limited workforce constraints, and equipment availability in mind. Those dorms and convention centers are attractive because it is an efficient way to manage a large cohort of sub-acute positive with a small healthcare workforce. Unless you can get complete buildings spreading patients around would have quite an impact on the mobilized workforce, ambulances and other support..This is why GOI and state governments need to look at government universities and transforming class rooms, and student hostels into these. Add capacity now if the larger metros project a spike in cases. Unlike NY, London or Paris..India's major cities still have time.


Even moderate Apartment complexes in India typically have anywhere around 100-200 flats spread across a handful of towers.


Are complete unoccupied buildings available in major cities? I think that could be considered but hotels seem more suitable given they should be empty (or can be made empty) and you get all the rooms that are in close proximity to each other thus allowing more efficient staffing.

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Postby Sanju » 01 Apr 2020 23:41


Vimal ji, you missed the most important part in there. The Super Turd @majihyderi writes in the first para:

A day after the Jammu and Kashmir High Court came to the rescue of 400 pilgrims stranded at Mata Vaishno Devi shrine in the region, in New Delhi, a case was registered against the preacher and his aides who organised the Tablighi Jamaat congregation in Basti Nizamuddin, violating government orders and exposing many to the deadly coronavirus.

These two consecutive events show contrasting ways of handling the crises.

On March 31, Maulana Saad and others members of the Tablighi Jamaat were booked under the Epidemic Disease Act, 1897 and relevant sections of the Indian Penal Code for alleged violation of government directions given to the management of Markaz in Basti Nizamuddin regarding restrictions for prevention, and treatment of the Covid-19 infection.


Please refer to ANI
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Some news is spreading in social media that 400 devotees are stranded at the Vaishno Devi shrine. It is clarified that no devotee is stranded in Katra or Vaishno Devi. Yatra stopped on 18th March, much before the lockdown: RK Jangid, CEO Shri Mata Vaishno Devi Shrine Board, J&K
10:12 AM · Mar 31, 2020·Twitter Web Client


This is spreading misinformation with a purpose to sow disharmony and to paint the GOI as anti-Muslim. This needs to be curtailed at the earliest.
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Postby Arun.prabhu » 01 Apr 2020 23:42

The fatality rates are grossly exaggerated because of the bottleneck of limited test kits forcing testing to be done on symptomatic and serious cases alone...

From the study: "From an extensive analysis of data from different regions of the world, our best estimate at the current time for the case fatality ratio of COVID-19 in China is 1·38% (95% CrI 1·23–1·53). Although this value remains lower than estimates for other coronaviruses, including SARS24 and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS),25 it is substantially higher than estimates from the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic.26, 27 Our estimate of an infection fatality ratio of 0·66% in China was informed by PCR testing of international Wuhan residents returning on repatriation flights. This value was consistent with the infection fatality ratio observed in passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship up to March 5, 2020, although it is slightly above the upper 95% confidence limit of the age-adjusted infection fatality ratio observed by March 25 (of 712 confirmed cases, 601 have been discharged, ten have died, and 11 remain in a critical condition). This difference might be due to repatriation flight data slightly underestimating milder infections, or due to cruise passengers having better outcomes because of a potentially higher-than-average quality of health care."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 73-3099(20)30243-7/fulltext

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby fanne » 01 Apr 2020 23:47

What is PSA?

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Postby Karan M » 01 Apr 2020 23:58

brar_w wrote:
Karan M wrote:
Even moderate Apartment complexes in India typically have anywhere around 100-200 flats spread across a handful of towers.


Are complete unoccupied buildings available in major cities? I think that could be considered but hotels seem more suitable given they should be empty (or can be made empty) and you get all the rooms that are in close proximity to each other thus allowing more efficient staffing.


We have complete apartment complexes which are often finished and unoccupied. Even some towers can be fenced off from the rest. Builders hold a lot of inventory. There could be concerns from existing inhabitants of nearby complexes or towers, Govt can offer them (temporary) relocation. But huge amounts of unsold inventory exists and i am sure with some digging, 1-2 complexes can be located in/near each city with at least a few hundred rooms easily.

Hotels are a no-go because a) they are in heavily crowded locations b) the amount of pre-existing stuff inside makes a start easy but sanitization a huge issue. A flat for instance can be easily stripped and disinfected - few have any fancy furnishings and leave it to the purchaser to put in stuff, interiors. Hotels come with all that already and you'll have a tough sell convincing the owner who doesn't want his property to be tagged with the virus tag or get clearance (determining fair value).

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 02 Apr 2020 00:01

fanne wrote:What is PSA?


Principal Scientific Advisor to the Govt of India, Dr VijayRaghavan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._VijayRaghavan

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Postby vimal » 02 Apr 2020 00:02

More on CoronaJihad

https://twitter.com/vivekagnihotri/stat ... 3177494530

The valuable force which is required to control Corona Crisis is now busy finding farar jamat attendees. Mumbai alone has 460+ Jamaat attendees. Most of the force is busy finding them.

Creating a crisis in a crisis and sabotaging is an act of crime against the people of India.


New video of peacefuls attacking medical workers when they are trying to help.

https://twitter.com/ashokepandit/status ... 77606?s=20

While watching this video of Indore (M.P) where Doctors are being chased & stones bein hurled on them one feels very strongly that #ShootatSight orders should be announced. These terrorists deserve to be behind bars. It’s frightening.
#NizamuddinMarkaj



Another video of massed peacefools being taken away by police.
https://twitter.com/priyankaghatak/stat ... 52544?s=20


It's amazing that Indian state treats these Jihadis with such kid gloves.
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Postby Karan M » 02 Apr 2020 00:03

Apparently RPF quarters were where these jerks were housed. And reports have emerged (ANI reports) that they have been assaulting doctors, spitting at them, asking for special food etc. WTF is wrong with these people and us? That we tolerate this crap at such a time?

Sanju wrote:

Vimal ji, you missed the most important part in there. The Super Turd @majihyderi writes in the first para:

A day after the Jammu and Kashmir High Court came to the rescue of 400 pilgrims stranded at Mata Vaishno Devi shrine in the region, in New Delhi, a case was registered against the preacher and his aides who organised the Tablighi Jamaat congregation in Basti Nizamuddin, violating government orders and exposing many to the deadly coronavirus.

These two consecutive events show contrasting ways of handling the crises.

On March 31, Maulana Saad and others members of the Tablighi Jamaat were booked under the Epidemic Disease Act, 1897 and relevant sections of the Indian Penal Code for alleged violation of government directions given to the management of Markaz in Basti Nizamuddin regarding restrictions for prevention, and treatment of the Covid-19 infection.


Please refer to ANI
ANI
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Some news is spreading in social media that 400 devotees are stranded at the Vaishno Devi shrine. It is clarified that no devotee is stranded in Katra or Vaishno Devi. Yatra stopped on 18th March, much before the lockdown: RK Jangid, CEO Shri Mata Vaishno Devi Shrine Board, J&K
10:12 AM · Mar 31, 2020·Twitter Web Client


This is spreading misinformation with a purpose to sow disharmony and to paint the GOI as anti-Muslim. This needs to be curtailed at the earliest.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby chola » 02 Apr 2020 00:05

I wonder if we can throttle back on some of the restrictions. It seems our brand of the lockdown is more extensive than Cheen or Italy (which had to mimic Cheen once infections were out of control.) Those countries never completely shutdown transportation.

https://qz.com/india/1828915/indias-coronavirus-lockdown-harsher-than-china-italy-pakistan/


Alok Gupta, an Indian working in Beijing, said that the China lockdown was less drastic than the one India has instituted. “Unlike India, in Beijing, buses ran,” explained Gupta. “Cabs were made to run after the first week with a plastic sheet between the passenger and the driver. Domestic flights and trains were only barred from some provinces, not all.”
...

After China, the next country that saw a rapid rise in cases was Italy. Copying China, the European country also instituted a lockdown. While the lockdown covered all of Italy, it was not as drastic as India’s. For one, it was imposed in stages. The first quarantine measure was imposed on February 21 in a region in the north and covered only 50,000 people. It was only on March 9 that the lockdown was extended nationally.
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Even, then, though Italy did not impose restrictions as harsh as India’s. “Unlike India, here public transport was never shut down completely,” explained Neelini Sarkar an Indian citizen who lives in Milan, a hotspot for the Italian outbreak.

Italy has, instead, instituted a pass system where people can take a bus or a flight depending on need. This is starkly different from India where all transport, within or between cities, stands shut. This is in spite of the fact that, as of March 28, Italy had 9,134 Covid-19 deaths compared to India’s 19.


Maybe we need to go hard in the initial 21 days. But India needs to adapt a bit in the following days. I am worried we are doing damages above and beyond what ever the worst hit countries are doing. The masses of migrants and the lathi videos are affecting me maybe but I think we cannot continue this kind of lockdown with serious damage to the people and economy. We need to allow some loosening.

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Postby Karan M » 02 Apr 2020 00:06

Yes, this is why I had stated before we need to deploy Doctors with armed CPMF with CBRN gear - if these Tablighi and local jokers act like this, the cops should open fire. The rioters are making a mockery out of quarantine and contact tracing, and like the utter parasites they are, will run to the same doctors for treatment after developing symptoms. Look at the foul language and attitude shown by the guy taking the video. They are putting the entire country at risk and an example needs to be made out of them.

vimal wrote:More on CoronaJihad

https://twitter.com/vivekagnihotri/stat ... 3177494530

The valuable force which is required to control Corona Crisis is now busy finding farar jamat attendees. Mumbai alone has 460+ Jamaat attendees. Most of the force is busy finding them.

Creating a crisis in a crisis and sabotaging is an act of crime against the people of India.


New video of peacefuls attacking medical workers when they are trying to help.

https://twitter.com/ashokepandit/status ... 77606?s=20

While watching this video of Indore (M.P) where Doctors are being chased & stones bein hurled on them one feels very strongly that #ShootatSight orders should be announced. These terrorists deserve to be behind bars. It’s frightening.
#NizamuddinMarkaj

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Postby Karan M » 02 Apr 2020 00:09

chola wrote:Maybe we need to go hard in the initial 21 days. But India needs to adapt a bit in the following days. I am worried we are doing damages above and beyond what ever the worst hit countries are doing. The masses of migrants and the lathi videos are affecting me maybe but I think we cannot continue this kind of lockdown with serious damage to the people and economy. We need to allow some loosening.


With the kind of crap that is now emerging thanks to a certain community's antics in Phase 2 after the elite entitled's quarantine busting in Phase1, the lockdown may need to be extended. Please don't fall for the senti crap about "worst hit countries". They have 10x of our medical infra per capita.

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Postby chola » 02 Apr 2020 00:22

^^^ I know, Karan ji, I know. I am torn. The lockdown is absolutely necessary. But closing off of all transportation can be loosen after the 21 days? It's not just sentimental. No transportation stops economic activity completely.

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Postby g.sarkar » 02 Apr 2020 00:30

Suraj wrote:
nvishal wrote:The nizamuddin tribes have spread the virus into the ghettos around India. If is not a secret that it has been difficult to get these castes to vaccinate against common diseases.
These people operate many small to medium sized retail stores outside ghettos areas. Many are secretive in their social life. Even if members die from coronavirus, they won't resister it with local authorities.
How to deal with this?

As long as they remain clustered and die out within those clusters, there is no transmission to the wider population. Their behavior is both a curse and a blessing in this situation. That they refuse to follow public policy and public health guidelines makes them very susceptible in these situations. However, their subsequent ghettoized behavior means they keep it from spreading outside of those areas. Those who willfully reject and refuse the efforts of the state, at best should avoid affecting those who are willing to do so, and as long as that is the case, we cannot do more.

Surajji,
What you are saying is not quite correct. We have two, the peaceful have twelve. They may live in clusters in ghettos, but their men folk come and work among the general population. As CV spreads with even small contact, they will spread it quickly. Their 12 can withstand the virus, even if some perish, our two will be overwhelmed.
Gautam

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Suraj » 02 Apr 2020 00:48

arvin wrote:https://www.deccanherald.com/national/south/telangana-health-surveyors-abused-in-markaz-returnee-localities-820098.html
Health workers in Telangana surveying the neighborhoods of Nizamuddin Markaz returnees have complained of abuses and information refusal from the locals, in some areas like Nizamabad. Speaking to DH, the district medical and health officer of Nizamabad Dr M Sudharshanam said that some of the minority community members “were repulsive, thinking the survey was part of the NRC.”

April 15 date was set with certain assumptions in mind among them is co-operation from all sections of society. Till sunday it had gone smoothely. Markaz cases has put all calculations to toss.

Not necessarily. If clusters remain identified, then as the end of the 3 week period approaches, there must be formal internship camps set up in those parts to isolate all these clusters and prevent people from exiting, with their basic necessities passed to them by public service personnel who are adequately protected, with critical cases removed by ambulance to hospital, if not a makeshift one set up using IR bogies if near railway tracks. They can't freely move around, go where they want etc ? So sad. They created their own circumstances.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Suraj » 02 Apr 2020 00:50

g.sarkar wrote:
Suraj wrote:As long as they remain clustered and die out within those clusters, there is no transmission to the wider population. Their behavior is both a curse and a blessing in this situation. That they refuse to follow public policy and public health guidelines makes them very susceptible in these situations. However, their subsequent ghettoized behavior means they keep it from spreading outside of those areas. Those who willfully reject and refuse the efforts of the state, at best should avoid affecting those who are willing to do so, and as long as that is the case, we cannot do more.

Surajji,
What you are saying is not quite correct. We have two, the peaceful have twelve. They may live in clusters in ghettos, but their men folk come and work among the general population. As CV spreads with even small contact, they will spread it quickly. Their 12 can withstand the virus, even if some perish, our two will be overwhelmed.
Gautam

Please see the subsequent post - these people once identified as clusters, must be isolated and prevented from moving within the general populace. They cannot have it both ways - refuse to follow public safety and public health directives and refuse to cooperate, AND demand the right to freedom of movement within the larger population who have cooperated.

Despite the attempts to modify the narrative from a focused nationwide lockdown to 'yuuge migrant crisis biggest since partition' created entirely by Delhi, most people have been smart enough to grasp the political games and decry it. There will be more games of how GoI is 'forcing Muslims into camps and preventing them from constitutional freedom of movement' but that will need to be adequately responded to on SM by us as well.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby krishna_krishna » 02 Apr 2020 01:15

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krishna_krishna wrote:Posting this as the latest news shows that it is a conspiracy to unleash these bio super carriers to launch such a pandemic on India, this is a well thought out plan unravelling:

RVS Mani explains how tabligh jamat is dangerous to security of India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIRqVuk ... e=youtu.be

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby hanumadu » 02 Apr 2020 01:45

Please read the entire thread.

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1245366498543058945

Multiple instances of stoning against police and medical professionals.

How effectively can we seal those areas in case of emergence of clusters of infection? The only way would be to deploy a large force with rifles, machine guns, grenades, perhaps tanks, helicopter gunships. Shoot at anything that dares to come out of the ghettos.
What about Hindus and other non peacefuls living among them? How can we extract them and provide food and necessary treatment for them?
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