Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby yensoy » 01 Apr 2020 22:47

I was curious about the visa rules which were apparently flouted by the Tablighis. This is what I found on the internet - official GoI website https://mha.gov.in/PDF_Other/AnnexI_01022018.pdf
15 Restriction on engaging in tabligh activities
Foreign nationals granted any type of visa and OCI cardholders shall not be permitted to engage
themselves in tabligh work. There will be no restriction in visiting religious places and attending
normal religious activities like attending religious discourses. However, preaching religious
ideologies, making speeches in religious places, distribution of audio or visual display/ pamphlets
pertaining to religious ideologies, spreading conversion etc. will not be allowed.


Unless they have video proof, it's going to be hard to blacklist the foreigners who visited. Better blacklist the Tabligh Jamat itself, I say.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby vijayk » 01 Apr 2020 22:50

wrong thread ... deleting it
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby saip » 01 Apr 2020 22:51

Look at the author. He should tell the virus to show compassion and not infection.

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Postby Arun.prabhu » 01 Apr 2020 22:52

Let us all petition the government to file compassionate FIRs and serve loving lathi beatdowns to these misunderstood folks. And hang the treasonous press up street lamps.


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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby suryag » 01 Apr 2020 22:53

BTW we dont need to explain when we deny visas, every country has the right to accept or deny a foreigner's visa application.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby arshyam » 01 Apr 2020 23:03

Who bears the cost of their treatment? We should recover it from them, along the cost incurred for treating those they further infected. Plus a processing fee equal to the value of their total assets. I don't want a naya paisa of my tax money go to help these cretins.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Deans » 01 Apr 2020 23:05

nam wrote:
SRoy wrote:Lock down is going to get extended, looking at the infection rate for last few days and today.


We don't know yet. It has just been 7 days.

The good thing is the increase in the infection rate is after 7 days from the lockdown.

We will know early next week. However GoI might extend it for another 7 days.


If the a$$holes from Nizammuddin are disregarded, the lockdown has worked. Excluding that lot, we will be the slowest to go from 1000 to 2000 cases (also the 2nd slowest after Japan to go from 100 to 1000). Also, the average infected person arriving from abroad has managed to infect just 1 more person to date (against excluding the 2000+ sitting and coughing together in an enclosed space in Nizammuddin).

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby brar_w » 01 Apr 2020 23:37

Karan M wrote:
brar_w wrote:
Everyone expecting a spike needs to do both. Even hospitals that currently exist, even the best ones, cannot completely isolate patients in wards or even ICU's given the sheer numbers we are talking about. Protocols are being looked at for sharing ventilators. Its all hands on deck and everyone that needs it, needs to add capacity to the highest level possible with limited workforce constraints, and equipment availability in mind. Those dorms and convention centers are attractive because it is an efficient way to manage a large cohort of sub-acute positive with a small healthcare workforce. Unless you can get complete buildings spreading patients around would have quite an impact on the mobilized workforce, ambulances and other support..This is why GOI and state governments need to look at government universities and transforming class rooms, and student hostels into these. Add capacity now if the larger metros project a spike in cases. Unlike NY, London or Paris..India's major cities still have time.


Even moderate Apartment complexes in India typically have anywhere around 100-200 flats spread across a handful of towers.


Are complete unoccupied buildings available in major cities? I think that could be considered but hotels seem more suitable given they should be empty (or can be made empty) and you get all the rooms that are in close proximity to each other thus allowing more efficient staffing.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Sanju » 01 Apr 2020 23:41


Vimal ji, you missed the most important part in there. The Super Turd @majihyderi writes in the first para:

A day after the Jammu and Kashmir High Court came to the rescue of 400 pilgrims stranded at Mata Vaishno Devi shrine in the region, in New Delhi, a case was registered against the preacher and his aides who organised the Tablighi Jamaat congregation in Basti Nizamuddin, violating government orders and exposing many to the deadly coronavirus.

These two consecutive events show contrasting ways of handling the crises.

On March 31, Maulana Saad and others members of the Tablighi Jamaat were booked under the Epidemic Disease Act, 1897 and relevant sections of the Indian Penal Code for alleged violation of government directions given to the management of Markaz in Basti Nizamuddin regarding restrictions for prevention, and treatment of the Covid-19 infection.


Please refer to ANI
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Some news is spreading in social media that 400 devotees are stranded at the Vaishno Devi shrine. It is clarified that no devotee is stranded in Katra or Vaishno Devi. Yatra stopped on 18th March, much before the lockdown: RK Jangid, CEO Shri Mata Vaishno Devi Shrine Board, J&K
10:12 AM · Mar 31, 2020·Twitter Web Client


This is spreading misinformation with a purpose to sow disharmony and to paint the GOI as anti-Muslim. This needs to be curtailed at the earliest.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Arun.prabhu » 01 Apr 2020 23:42

The fatality rates are grossly exaggerated because of the bottleneck of limited test kits forcing testing to be done on symptomatic and serious cases alone...

From the study: "From an extensive analysis of data from different regions of the world, our best estimate at the current time for the case fatality ratio of COVID-19 in China is 1·38% (95% CrI 1·23–1·53). Although this value remains lower than estimates for other coronaviruses, including SARS24 and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS),25 it is substantially higher than estimates from the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic.26, 27 Our estimate of an infection fatality ratio of 0·66% in China was informed by PCR testing of international Wuhan residents returning on repatriation flights. This value was consistent with the infection fatality ratio observed in passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship up to March 5, 2020, although it is slightly above the upper 95% confidence limit of the age-adjusted infection fatality ratio observed by March 25 (of 712 confirmed cases, 601 have been discharged, ten have died, and 11 remain in a critical condition). This difference might be due to repatriation flight data slightly underestimating milder infections, or due to cruise passengers having better outcomes because of a potentially higher-than-average quality of health care."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 73-3099(20)30243-7/fulltext

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby fanne » 01 Apr 2020 23:47

What is PSA?

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 01 Apr 2020 23:58

brar_w wrote:
Karan M wrote:
Even moderate Apartment complexes in India typically have anywhere around 100-200 flats spread across a handful of towers.


Are complete unoccupied buildings available in major cities? I think that could be considered but hotels seem more suitable given they should be empty (or can be made empty) and you get all the rooms that are in close proximity to each other thus allowing more efficient staffing.


We have complete apartment complexes which are often finished and unoccupied. Even some towers can be fenced off from the rest. Builders hold a lot of inventory. There could be concerns from existing inhabitants of nearby complexes or towers, Govt can offer them (temporary) relocation. But huge amounts of unsold inventory exists and i am sure with some digging, 1-2 complexes can be located in/near each city with at least a few hundred rooms easily.

Hotels are a no-go because a) they are in heavily crowded locations b) the amount of pre-existing stuff inside makes a start easy but sanitization a huge issue. A flat for instance can be easily stripped and disinfected - few have any fancy furnishings and leave it to the purchaser to put in stuff, interiors. Hotels come with all that already and you'll have a tough sell convincing the owner who doesn't want his property to be tagged with the virus tag or get clearance (determining fair value).

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 02 Apr 2020 00:01

fanne wrote:What is PSA?


Principal Scientific Advisor to the Govt of India, Dr VijayRaghavan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._VijayRaghavan

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby vimal » 02 Apr 2020 00:02

More on CoronaJihad

https://twitter.com/vivekagnihotri/stat ... 3177494530

The valuable force which is required to control Corona Crisis is now busy finding farar jamat attendees. Mumbai alone has 460+ Jamaat attendees. Most of the force is busy finding them.

Creating a crisis in a crisis and sabotaging is an act of crime against the people of India.


New video of peacefuls attacking medical workers when they are trying to help.

https://twitter.com/ashokepandit/status ... 77606?s=20

While watching this video of Indore (M.P) where Doctors are being chased & stones bein hurled on them one feels very strongly that #ShootatSight orders should be announced. These terrorists deserve to be behind bars. It’s frightening.
#NizamuddinMarkaj



Another video of massed peacefools being taken away by police.
https://twitter.com/priyankaghatak/stat ... 52544?s=20


It's amazing that Indian state treats these Jihadis with such kid gloves.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 02 Apr 2020 00:03

Apparently RPF quarters were where these jerks were housed. And reports have emerged (ANI reports) that they have been assaulting doctors, spitting at them, asking for special food etc. WTF is wrong with these people and us? That we tolerate this crap at such a time?

Sanju wrote:

Vimal ji, you missed the most important part in there. The Super Turd @majihyderi writes in the first para:

A day after the Jammu and Kashmir High Court came to the rescue of 400 pilgrims stranded at Mata Vaishno Devi shrine in the region, in New Delhi, a case was registered against the preacher and his aides who organised the Tablighi Jamaat congregation in Basti Nizamuddin, violating government orders and exposing many to the deadly coronavirus.

These two consecutive events show contrasting ways of handling the crises.

On March 31, Maulana Saad and others members of the Tablighi Jamaat were booked under the Epidemic Disease Act, 1897 and relevant sections of the Indian Penal Code for alleged violation of government directions given to the management of Markaz in Basti Nizamuddin regarding restrictions for prevention, and treatment of the Covid-19 infection.


Please refer to ANI
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Some news is spreading in social media that 400 devotees are stranded at the Vaishno Devi shrine. It is clarified that no devotee is stranded in Katra or Vaishno Devi. Yatra stopped on 18th March, much before the lockdown: RK Jangid, CEO Shri Mata Vaishno Devi Shrine Board, J&K
10:12 AM · Mar 31, 2020·Twitter Web Client


This is spreading misinformation with a purpose to sow disharmony and to paint the GOI as anti-Muslim. This needs to be curtailed at the earliest.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby chola » 02 Apr 2020 00:05

I wonder if we can throttle back on some of the restrictions. It seems our brand of the lockdown is more extensive than Cheen or Italy (which had to mimic Cheen once infections were out of control.) Those countries never completely shutdown transportation.

https://qz.com/india/1828915/indias-coronavirus-lockdown-harsher-than-china-italy-pakistan/


Alok Gupta, an Indian working in Beijing, said that the China lockdown was less drastic than the one India has instituted. “Unlike India, in Beijing, buses ran,” explained Gupta. “Cabs were made to run after the first week with a plastic sheet between the passenger and the driver. Domestic flights and trains were only barred from some provinces, not all.”
...

After China, the next country that saw a rapid rise in cases was Italy. Copying China, the European country also instituted a lockdown. While the lockdown covered all of Italy, it was not as drastic as India’s. For one, it was imposed in stages. The first quarantine measure was imposed on February 21 in a region in the north and covered only 50,000 people. It was only on March 9 that the lockdown was extended nationally.
...

Even, then, though Italy did not impose restrictions as harsh as India’s. “Unlike India, here public transport was never shut down completely,” explained Neelini Sarkar an Indian citizen who lives in Milan, a hotspot for the Italian outbreak.

Italy has, instead, instituted a pass system where people can take a bus or a flight depending on need. This is starkly different from India where all transport, within or between cities, stands shut. This is in spite of the fact that, as of March 28, Italy had 9,134 Covid-19 deaths compared to India’s 19.


Maybe we need to go hard in the initial 21 days. But India needs to adapt a bit in the following days. I am worried we are doing damages above and beyond what ever the worst hit countries are doing. The masses of migrants and the lathi videos are affecting me maybe but I think we cannot continue this kind of lockdown with serious damage to the people and economy. We need to allow some loosening.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 02 Apr 2020 00:06

Yes, this is why I had stated before we need to deploy Doctors with armed CPMF with CBRN gear - if these Tablighi and local jokers act like this, the cops should open fire. The rioters are making a mockery out of quarantine and contact tracing, and like the utter parasites they are, will run to the same doctors for treatment after developing symptoms. Look at the foul language and attitude shown by the guy taking the video. They are putting the entire country at risk and an example needs to be made out of them.

vimal wrote:More on CoronaJihad

https://twitter.com/vivekagnihotri/stat ... 3177494530

The valuable force which is required to control Corona Crisis is now busy finding farar jamat attendees. Mumbai alone has 460+ Jamaat attendees. Most of the force is busy finding them.

Creating a crisis in a crisis and sabotaging is an act of crime against the people of India.


New video of peacefuls attacking medical workers when they are trying to help.

https://twitter.com/ashokepandit/status ... 77606?s=20

While watching this video of Indore (M.P) where Doctors are being chased & stones bein hurled on them one feels very strongly that #ShootatSight orders should be announced. These terrorists deserve to be behind bars. It’s frightening.
#NizamuddinMarkaj

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 02 Apr 2020 00:09

chola wrote:Maybe we need to go hard in the initial 21 days. But India needs to adapt a bit in the following days. I am worried we are doing damages above and beyond what ever the worst hit countries are doing. The masses of migrants and the lathi videos are affecting me maybe but I think we cannot continue this kind of lockdown with serious damage to the people and economy. We need to allow some loosening.


With the kind of crap that is now emerging thanks to a certain community's antics in Phase 2 after the elite entitled's quarantine busting in Phase1, the lockdown may need to be extended. Please don't fall for the senti crap about "worst hit countries". They have 10x of our medical infra per capita.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby chola » 02 Apr 2020 00:22

^^^ I know, Karan ji, I know. I am torn. The lockdown is absolutely necessary. But closing off of all transportation can be loosen after the 21 days? It's not just sentimental. No transportation stops economic activity completely.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 02 Apr 2020 00:30

Suraj wrote:
nvishal wrote:The nizamuddin tribes have spread the virus into the ghettos around India. If is not a secret that it has been difficult to get these castes to vaccinate against common diseases.
These people operate many small to medium sized retail stores outside ghettos areas. Many are secretive in their social life. Even if members die from coronavirus, they won't resister it with local authorities.
How to deal with this?

As long as they remain clustered and die out within those clusters, there is no transmission to the wider population. Their behavior is both a curse and a blessing in this situation. That they refuse to follow public policy and public health guidelines makes them very susceptible in these situations. However, their subsequent ghettoized behavior means they keep it from spreading outside of those areas. Those who willfully reject and refuse the efforts of the state, at best should avoid affecting those who are willing to do so, and as long as that is the case, we cannot do more.

Surajji,
What you are saying is not quite correct. We have two, the peaceful have twelve. They may live in clusters in ghettos, but their men folk come and work among the general population. As CV spreads with even small contact, they will spread it quickly. Their 12 can withstand the virus, even if some perish, our two will be overwhelmed.
Gautam

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Suraj » 02 Apr 2020 00:48

arvin wrote:https://www.deccanherald.com/national/south/telangana-health-surveyors-abused-in-markaz-returnee-localities-820098.html
Health workers in Telangana surveying the neighborhoods of Nizamuddin Markaz returnees have complained of abuses and information refusal from the locals, in some areas like Nizamabad. Speaking to DH, the district medical and health officer of Nizamabad Dr M Sudharshanam said that some of the minority community members “were repulsive, thinking the survey was part of the NRC.”

April 15 date was set with certain assumptions in mind among them is co-operation from all sections of society. Till sunday it had gone smoothely. Markaz cases has put all calculations to toss.

Not necessarily. If clusters remain identified, then as the end of the 3 week period approaches, there must be formal internship camps set up in those parts to isolate all these clusters and prevent people from exiting, with their basic necessities passed to them by public service personnel who are adequately protected, with critical cases removed by ambulance to hospital, if not a makeshift one set up using IR bogies if near railway tracks. They can't freely move around, go where they want etc ? So sad. They created their own circumstances.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Suraj » 02 Apr 2020 00:50

g.sarkar wrote:
Suraj wrote:As long as they remain clustered and die out within those clusters, there is no transmission to the wider population. Their behavior is both a curse and a blessing in this situation. That they refuse to follow public policy and public health guidelines makes them very susceptible in these situations. However, their subsequent ghettoized behavior means they keep it from spreading outside of those areas. Those who willfully reject and refuse the efforts of the state, at best should avoid affecting those who are willing to do so, and as long as that is the case, we cannot do more.

Surajji,
What you are saying is not quite correct. We have two, the peaceful have twelve. They may live in clusters in ghettos, but their men folk come and work among the general population. As CV spreads with even small contact, they will spread it quickly. Their 12 can withstand the virus, even if some perish, our two will be overwhelmed.
Gautam

Please see the subsequent post - these people once identified as clusters, must be isolated and prevented from moving within the general populace. They cannot have it both ways - refuse to follow public safety and public health directives and refuse to cooperate, AND demand the right to freedom of movement within the larger population who have cooperated.

Despite the attempts to modify the narrative from a focused nationwide lockdown to 'yuuge migrant crisis biggest since partition' created entirely by Delhi, most people have been smart enough to grasp the political games and decry it. There will be more games of how GoI is 'forcing Muslims into camps and preventing them from constitutional freedom of movement' but that will need to be adequately responded to on SM by us as well.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby krishna_krishna » 02 Apr 2020 01:15

x post from internal security thread

krishna_krishna wrote:Posting this as the latest news shows that it is a conspiracy to unleash these bio super carriers to launch such a pandemic on India, this is a well thought out plan unravelling:

RVS Mani explains how tabligh jamat is dangerous to security of India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIRqVuk ... e=youtu.be

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Postby hanumadu » 02 Apr 2020 01:45

Please read the entire thread.

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1245366498543058945

Multiple instances of stoning against police and medical professionals.

How effectively can we seal those areas in case of emergence of clusters of infection? The only way would be to deploy a large force with rifles, machine guns, grenades, perhaps tanks, helicopter gunships. Shoot at anything that dares to come out of the ghettos.
What about Hindus and other non peacefuls living among them? How can we extract them and provide food and necessary treatment for them?
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Postby amar_p » 02 Apr 2020 01:49

Here is the kind of facility we were discussing, the Brits are building it at a convention center in London
[youtube]https://youtu.be/jwWlhVxOfu4[/youtube]

https://youtu.be/jwWlhVxOfu4

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

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https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1245421535805853696?s=20

Abhijit Iyer-Mitra
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19n Understand what happened. Thanks to the #TablighiJamaat & their infernal #Nizamuddin Markaz India’s efforts to flatten the curve have been delayed by between 2 weeks to a month. What’s even more amazing is instead of being repentant and cooperating, they’re defiant & violent

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Postby Suraj » 02 Apr 2020 02:08

hanumadu wrote:https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1245421535805853696?s=20
Abhijit Iyer-Mitra
@Iyervval
19n Understand what happened. Thanks to the #TablighiJamaat & their infernal #Nizamuddin Markaz India’s efforts to flatten the curve have been delayed by between 2 weeks to a month. What’s even more amazing is instead of being repentant and cooperating, they’re defiant & violent

The next steps of isolating and interning these clusters needs prior groundwork to explain to the public in very simple terms - ideally graphics - why the use of coercive measures to keep them contained is necessarily. It is very predictable that there will be howls of protests from 'civil rights groups' completely lacking in medical sense demanding that these people be allowed to roam free, but for the good of the general public and more importantly the economy, these clusters must be contained, by armed forces if needed.

To give the government the breathing room to do this, the public needs to be on board with it ahead of time, and this understanding must be built.

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Postby hanumadu » 02 Apr 2020 02:47

^^^Do we have the armed forces and equipment and training to enforce such a lock down. I think most non muslims will be on board. The leftists will make more noise than the actual numbers they have. I am more concerned about the numbers we have. I hope CRPF, Army is being primed for deployment.

Meanwhile, a plan for cordoning off small localities has been prepared.

@nileshjrane has been maintaining an excellent thread on corona for several days now.
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An interesting document released on MoHFW website -
"Micro Plan for Containing Local Transmission of
Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)" with the aim of "To contain the outbreak of COVID-19 in defined geographic area"

https://mohfw.gov.in/pdf/ModelMicroplan ... OVID19.pdf
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It chalks out SOP/Advisories/processes etc for various activities in order to cordon off a certain geographic area with local outbreak seen, in order to contain the virus spread. In case exact specific extent cannot be identified quickly, the guideline is to create a 3-km radius
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containment zone and 5-km buffer zone to isolate the virus. And run a combing operation on the area to identify and isolate all the positive cases.

Every new case is to be treated as an epicenter of outbreak the micro-plan for containment is to be carried out.

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Postby nam » 02 Apr 2020 02:53

This is what is been done. Every-time there is a positive case in a place, the area around it is sealed off by the local DC.

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Postby hanumadu » 02 Apr 2020 02:55

OK, The pdf document in the above post talks about medical staff and medical facilities, but does not talk about deployment of police force to enforce the cordon. Heck, I should say, the secular ghettos should be simply cordoned off by the police, no medical staff or police. After a few cases, they will come begging for medical help.


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Postby Bart S » 02 Apr 2020 02:58

g.sarkar wrote:
Suraj wrote:As long as they remain clustered and die out within those clusters, there is no transmission to the wider population. Their behavior is both a curse and a blessing in this situation. That they refuse to follow public policy and public health guidelines makes them very susceptible in these situations. However, their subsequent ghettoized behavior means they keep it from spreading outside of those areas. Those who willfully reject and refuse the efforts of the state, at best should avoid affecting those who are willing to do so, and as long as that is the case, we cannot do more.

Surajji,
What you are saying is not quite correct. We have two, the peaceful have twelve. They may live in clusters in ghettos, but their men folk come and work among the general population. As CV spreads with even small contact, they will spread it quickly. Their 12 can withstand the virus, even if some perish, our two will be overwhelmed.
Gautam


What TN has been doing is establishing a containment zone in a 3-km radius where nobody is allowed to step out of their homes. I guess the peaceful ghettos that do not cooperate will have to be isolated and 'contained' in that way, probably with armed police and paramilitary. Supplies can be dropped off and the containment can be done for 4 weeks or so after the wider lockdown is over, so that the infection in the areas plays itself out. Any innocent non-peacefuls who want to get out can be evacuated and housed elsewhere.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 02 Apr 2020 03:01

hanumadu wrote:Please read the entire thread.

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1245366498543058945

Multiple instances of stoning against police and medical professionals.

How effectively can we seal those areas in case of emergence of clusters of infection? The only way would be to deploy a large force with rifles, machine guns, grenades, perhaps tanks, helicopter gunships. Shoot at anything that dares to come out of the ghettos.
What about Hindus and other non peacefuls living among them? How can we extract them and provide food and necessary treatment for them?


A brutal and no holds barred response against this kind of violence is necessary. You cannot have cops and doctors assaulted in this manner.

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Postby Bart S » 02 Apr 2020 03:02

kvraghav wrote:https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/010420/tamil-nadu-refuses-cross-bordering-of-unsold-milk-from-kerala-due-to-c.html
Looks like Kerala do not have the milk processing unit in the state owned milk federation and neither any private players doing this. They are dependent on Tamil Nadu for this. Is this state administration doing anything other than schools till 10th standard and propaganda?


Why is it necessary to do processing etc in this situation? Can't people consume unprocessed milk like in the old days? Probably healthier as well. If their main concern is loss of marketing revenue, then that is simply ridiculous under the prevailing circumstances where everybody is sacrificing.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Karan M » 02 Apr 2020 03:03

chola wrote:^^^ I know, Karan ji, I know. I am torn. The lockdown is absolutely necessary. But closing off of all transportation can be loosen after the 21 days? It's not just sentimental. No transportation stops economic activity completely.


We do have transportation for essential activities ongoing, we are also permitted designated times to go to the market and restock. The quantum of activity has reduced i.e. malls, consumption in restaurants, retail etc but it has not stopped.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Bart S » 02 Apr 2020 03:05

Arun.prabhu wrote:The focus on the tests is pretty hard to understand when up to 60% of the infected show no symptoms and do not qualify for the tests. Better to ignore the tests - which serve no purpose than to highlight the fear in people's hearts at this time - and to start focusing on treating symptoms, keeping patients alive and getting production of necessary medical equipments, drugs and accessories in order.



This makes no sense whatsoever. A lot of those Tableeghi folks in TN were asymptomatic and if not for the tests would have been circulating around even more mosques spreading the disease.

Also, antibody tests play a vital role, especially for the economy. People who have had the virus and recovered are virtually 'superheroes' under the circumstances as they can go back to work especially in high risk environments like hospitals.

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Postby IndraD » 02 Apr 2020 03:36

DrRatnadip wrote:3) Our physicians and ICU staff is well trained in managing viral ARDS due to routine management of swine flu and other similar forms of ARDS

hi ratandip...do you work in ITU area, how is the experience so far with covid ARDS in itu? Units around including ours are gobsmacked by the ferocity of ARDS. Fairly high mortality.

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby shaun » 02 Apr 2020 03:41

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/at-least-200-fresh-coronavirus-cases-related-to-tablighi-jamaat-centre-traces-people-on-war-footing-820125.html

Raman R Gangakhedkar, the Head of Epidemiology and Communicable Diseases at the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) said 47,951 tests for COVID-19 have been conducted in the country till date.

There are 126 labs in the ICMR network. "The testing capacity utilisation is about 38 per cent as of now," he said.

29th march 35000
30th march 38442
31st march 42788
1st April 47951

No of labs
31st March 123
1st April 126
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby IndraD » 02 Apr 2020 03:43

ourworldindata.org

this is a phenomenal site with monstrous amount of data on nCV ^^ .

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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

Postby Suraj » 02 Apr 2020 04:01

PLEASE, stop turning this thread into a TSP comparison. All those posts are being deleted.

What's the problem with people ? Whine about hyphenation and then go do that themselves :roll:


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