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Tough to read the subtitles. But that is how quarantine done. Once u r in i doubt u can come out. For simple reason to get out u need to be 100% cured but u may not get cured at all due to cross infection.
Moreover i don't see oxygen pipes at all. Patients need them at later stages ( 9 days later)
Chernobyl moment of china
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jenniferatnt ... 2904304641
Breaking: Guangzhou City (population: 14 M) locked down. All residential blocks be isolated from each other. So far around 400 million people locked down in #China to contain #coronavirus. #coronavirusOutbreak Original Chinese official report:
http://m.xinhuanet.com/gd/2020-02/07/c_1125542462.htm
Not sure what triggered this if true.
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China's state run machinery can react fast. But it can also overreact. Not sure which one we are seeing now. Probably a mixture of both.
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UlanBatori wrote:Thanks, Madhu. Makes sense!! Neat idea. Reduce mobility, reduce ppl-2-ppl transmission. If India were to adopt this, the pop growth could be ..(never mind).
Lock everyone in their homes with their SHQ's and nothing to do? :P
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Ah! But the Indian Way would be to have separate accommodations Aadmi/Aurat.
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It supposedly protects the remaining billion, but as the continued increase in quarantined population shows, the virus is spreading too fast. Not that the Chinese leadership’s response has been any good. Sending people back to their families after they report sick rather than isolating them...
UlanBatori wrote:"Quarantine" == "Sec 144 CrPC + Dawn-2-Dusk-2-dawn Curfew"? How do you quarantine the whole population, and whom does that protect?
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The blatant racism bares its ass again: Royal Carribbean Cruise Lines emulates another (Carnival Lines?) in BANNING CHINESE NATIONALS from boarding! Not "people who have been in Wuhan since December" or even "people who have been in eastern China since October". I think China should put both out of business, even if it has to use a submarine to do. :evil: This sort of cra* has to be ended.

BTW, just realized that Yangtze river flows through WooHan. So the CV has cruised to every place downstream, plus the ocean, for at least 2 months now. So much for quarantine.
Wind is from the north in WooHan right now, so its also getting blown to all points south.
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UlanBatori wrote: BTW, just realized that Yangtze river flows through WooHan. So the CV has cruised to every place downstream, plus the ocean, for at least 2 months now. So much for quarantine.
Coronaviruses do not survive for more than a few hours outside a host body. This particular one could be different, or not. Transmission via river is highly unlikely though. Usual method of transmission outside of a host is when an infected person touches a surface and contaminates it, which is later touched by a healthy person.
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The river presumably has heavy barge and boat traffic. With on-board gourmet menus featuring fresh bat and snake and rats from Woohan market. In fact it may have got to Woohan market that way. So contamination has been spreading upstream and downstream, every din. Let's see if one can find pics of a usual day on the Yangtze. I bet its like Grand Central Station.
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^ Unfortunately most pics of the Yangtze are censored 400% BS. But one can see some glimpses of what really plies it:
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/feature ... 2019-11-14
Look at the size of the cruise ships that ply it: 2000 ppl minimum!
https://www.odynovotours.com/china-tour ... ruise.html
If you have stood at say St. Louis and looked at the big river, you know that it is packed with commercial traffic. The Yangtze must have 10 times that traffic, like everything else in cheen.
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nachiket wrote: Coronaviruses do not survive for more than a few hours outside a host body. This particular one could be different, or not. Transmission via river is highly unlikely though. Usual method of transmission outside of a host is when an infected person touches a surface and contaminates it, which is later touched by a healthy person.
No that's not true with 2019nCoV. I think SARS or MERS virus stays up to 6 days on the surface. It is believed the same for CoV. That's why u see some twitter videos where chines gasifying streets.
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The virus survives for nine days in aircraft armrests.
madhu wrote:
nachiket wrote: Coronaviruses do not survive for more than a few hours outside a host body. This particular one could be different, or not. Transmission via river is highly unlikely though. Usual method of transmission outside of a host is when an infected person touches a surface and contaminates it, which is later touched by a healthy person.
No that's not true with 2019nCoV. I think SARS or MERS virus stays up to 6 days on the surface. It is believed the same for CoV. That's why u see some twitter videos where chines gasifying streets.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/08/worl ... china.html
Coronavirus Live Updates: An American Dies of the Virus in Wuhan, China
It appeared to be the first death of a United States citizen from the coronavirus.
RIGHT NOW Eighty-six more deaths from the coronavirus were reported in China, pushing the toll past 700.
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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00154-w
NEWS 07 FEBRUARY 2020
Coronavirus latest: global infections surge past 30,000
Scientists are increasingly concerned about a new virus that has infected tens of thousands of people and killed hundreds. The virus is a coronavirus, and belongs to the same family as the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS. It causes a respiratory illness, can spread from person to person, and emerged in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December.
Here’s the latest news on the outbreak.
7 February 10:15 GMT — Global infections pass 30,000
The number of people worldwide infected with the coronavirus has passed 30,000 — with the vast majority of those cases in China. Chinese health authorities reported on 7 February that 31,161 people had contracted the infection in China, and more than 630 people than died. Countries with the most other cases include Singapore, Thailand and Japan, which have each reported around 20 to 30 infections so far.
Researchers at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, are visualizing global infection data in real time.
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With the caveat for conspiracy theorists that the article below is written by an ex-NSA guy...

https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/0 ... 2019-ncov/


I've read about how the virus seems to target E Asians elsewhere, but did not know where that reference came from. It came from this paper and ties with the conclusions drawn by Dr Weiler that I had posted earlier.

The money shots and unkind ones at that:

"Scientists have expressed concern about China’s ability to safely monitor this BSL-4 lab in Wuhan since it opened in 2017: “an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. ‘Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important.'” This lab is at most 20 miles from the wet market where the virus had been assumed to have jumped from animal to human. However the idea that a Chinese lab could have a viral sample escape is well-documented – as mentioned, one lab in Beijing has had four separate incidents of the SARS virus leaking out accidentally."

"Perhaps most notably, a genetic analysis of the spike-protein genes – the exact region that was bio-engineered by the UNC lab in 2015, where Zhengli Shi and Xing-Yi Ge previously isolated a batty coronavirus that targets the ACE2 receptor just like this 2019-nCoV strain of the coronavirus does – indicates an artificial and unnatural origins of the Wuhan Strain’s spike-protein genes when they are compared to the genomes of wild relatives. Instead of appearing similar and homologous to its wild relatives, an important section of the Wuhan Strain’s spike-protein region shares the most genetic similarity with a bio-engineered commercially available gene sequence that’s designed to help with immunotherapy research. It is mathematically possible for this to happen in nature – but only in a ten-thousand bats chained to ten-thousand Petri dishes and given until infinity sense."

"Early research found that 2019-nCoV targets the ACE2 receptor, which is found in East Asians at roughly five-times the rate of other global populations, indicating that the Wuhan Strain 2019-nCoV was likely developed as part of a gain-of-function defensive project possibly linked to immunotherapy or vaccinations – never meant to leave the lab, but meant to serve as a Red Team to fight back against, not as an offensive weapon since the virus is likely wired to be much more virulent among Asian populations. Further support for this is the fact that the Wuhan BSL-4 virology lab was already actively looking into the risks posed from bat coronaviruses, and actively researching coronavirus treatments – by definition both of these projects would require live virulent strains of coronavirus."

"Following the aforementioned bat coronavirus bio-engineering research that was critiqued for being too risky in 2015, in the paper from UNC eventually published the next year that describing their successful bio-engineering of a highly-virulent coronavirus derived from bats, researcher #8 is listed as one “Zheng-li Shi” attached to the “Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.”"

On the retracted IIT paper:
"Additionally, although another since-retracted pre-print noted several very short genomic sequences in 2019-nCoV’s spike-protein gene that look far more similar to sequences found in HIV than to other coronaviruses – critics quickly pointed out that the shared homology didn’t reach statistical significance. However a closer look at the data reveals that there were a few small shared genomic segments that, despite being physically separated from each other along each strand of DNA, all worked together to code for the Wuhan Strain’s protein-spike’s crucial receptor binding site. Something that is highly unlikely to have happened by chance. And despite most of its protein-spike being shared with SARS, these substituted segments weren’t shared at all – nor were they found in any other coronavirus."

"Critics have brushed off the Wuhan Strain’s shared homology with HIV as statistically insignificant, however clinical reporting indicates that the Wuhan Strain may be using this shared HIV homology to attack CD4 immune cells just like HIV does, as an unusually high percentage of patients are showing low white blood cell counts, especially the sickest ones. This is despite the fact that SARS – much ballyhooed as a close relative to the Wuhan Strain – didn’t notable effect white blood cell counts. Additionally, clinical treatment guides published online in late January by established Chinese medical sources note the progressive reduction of white blood cells, as well as the importance of monitoring this decline. And reporting from Thailand indicates that adding a cocktail of two different anti-HIV drugs to the typical treatment regime seemed to cure the Wuhan Strain."

"Giving further credence to the idea that the Wuhan Strain was bio-engineered is the existence of a patent application that looks to modulate a coronavirus’ spike-protein genes – the precise region altered by Zhengli Shi at UNC to make a hyper-virulent strain of coronavirus, and whose alteration and adaptation would explain the Wuhan Strain’s unusual behavior as discussed above."
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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00364-2
NEWS 07 FEBRUARY 2020
Did pangolins spread the China coronavirus to people?
Genetic sequences of viruses isolated from the scaly animals are 99% similar to that of the circulating virus — but the work is yet to be formally published.
Researchers in Guangzhou, China, have suggested that pangolins — long-snouted, ant-eating mammals often used in traditional Chinese medicine — are the probable animal source of the coronavirus outbreak that has infected more than 30,000 people and is wreaking havoc worldwide.
Scientists say that the suggestion, based on a genetic analysis, seems plausible — but caution that the researchers’ work is yet to be published in full. “This is an extremely interesting observation. Although we need to see more details, it does make sense as there are now some other data emerging that pangolins carry viruses that are closely related to 2019-nCoV,” says Edward Holmes, an evolutionary virologist at the University of Sydney, Australia.
The identity of the animal source of the coronavirus, named nCoV-2019, has been one of the key questions that researchers have been racing to answer. Coronaviruses are known to circulate in mammals and birds, and scientists have already suggested that nCoV-2019 originally came from bats, a proposal based on the similarity of its genetic sequence to those of other known coronaviruses. But the virus was probably transmitted to humans by another animal. The coronavirus that caused severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, spread from bats to civet cats to humans.
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So, is it safe to start consuming Bat soup again?
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g.sarkar wrote:So, is it safe to start consuming Bat soup gain?
Sure! With Pangorin Pudding.
BTW, a serious pooch: I heard from someone that cheen cooking emphasizes very deep boiling so how is this consistent with Bat Soup or any cheen food spreading it?
If it was Nippon I could understand:the basic soosai mentality of doing karaoke with hydrogen (that one then sets alight from one's mouth), eating sushi..
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^^^ Transmission is occurring not when cooking or eating the carcass. It happens when someone is handling the live squirming critter with its bodily fluids and excrements at the market and then at home right before they butcher the thing with the blood spraying everywhere.

As I wrote before, for a people living in modern skyscrapers they have a paleozoic hunter-gatherer mindset more in tune with African jungle tribes and Papua New Guinea headhunters in eating live bush-meat in wet markets. If they were eating factory processed meat which people with their kind of infrastructure and economy usually do, the chance of diseases would be far lower.
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Can mosquitoes be a vector?
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tandav wrote:Can mosquitoes be a vector?
No it dosent spread by mosquitoes.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ssion.html
Most often, spread from person-to-person happens among close contacts (about 6 feet). Person-to-person spread is thought to occur mainly via respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes, similar to how influenza and other respiratory pathogens spread. These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs. It’s currently unclear if a person can get 2019-nCoV by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes.
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Here goes one more city.
#Tianjin
#Tianjin, a big city next to #Beijing, with a population of 11M, announced lockdown on Feb 6. Over 80 cities in #China locked down to battle
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All is well: the Cavalry / Wild Bunch rides 2 da rescue
China has agreed to let the World Health Organization form an international team of experts that will travel to the mainland to study the virus and seek solutions, a US embassy spokesman told Reuters on Saturday.
Infectious disease experts from the United States will play a major role.
“These US experts have extensive experience working with the World Health Organization on a range of infectious disease outbreaks and epidemics, including Ebola, avian influenza and SARS,” the spokesman added.
China’s foreign ministry has confirmed Saturday that its own National Health Commission was working on arrangements for the WHO-led group’s arrival, scheduled to begin Monday or Tuesday.
The sooner the better, the latest grim statistics indicate.
This is like a thunderstorm. Lighting, thunder, wind, hail, rain... intensifying. Terrible.
THEN the Wild Bunch rides to the rescue. Experts On Severe Thunderstorms.
And miracle or what? rain decreases.... to a drizzle. Wind stops. Clouds dissipate. Sun comes out. Blue skies.
All credit and praise to the Wild Bunch!
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Further hint on actual dead:

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/02/ ... -patients/

The epochtimes article Breitbart references is in Chinese and is linked in the Breitbart article. Feel free to use good translate.
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madhu wrote:Here goes one more city.
#Tianjin
#Tianjin, a big city next to #Beijing, with a population of 11M, announced lockdown on Feb 6. Over 80 cities in #China locked down to battle
I am not surprised. Given that the lockdowns started about 4-6 weeks after novel CoV first appeared in Wuhan (and about 3-4 days after 5 million Wuhanese left WUhan and spread around the country) the only way this virus can be controlled, in my very unscientific opinion, is for CHina to lockdown all major cities and towns with significant populations.... I am talking 150 to 200 cities/towns (with population over 1 million). Anything short of a draconian lockdown like this will not work...again, my very unscientific perspective here. No proof but I think the figures are being under-reported by 10x here. I would not be surprised if there are large numbers of cases in Beijing.

Here is video purporting to show the forcible extraction and quarantine of a Chinese family infected by novel CoV. The truck shown in the video has a refrigerator sized box. I dont know if the family was forced into that cupboard holding box, or just their luggage, which can be seen being put in.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/vide ... s-n1133096

Hate to say this but forcible quarantine may be necessary. And China, for all its jazz, glitter and expensive car show rooms, is still a run by a totalitarian govt...and one sees flashes of that every now and then. Has China built any more new hospitals in 10 days after the first two? Genuine question. The number of cases after the two 10-day hospitals are probably double after the hospitals were built.

Added later:
Just saw the video again. The people AND their luggage went into that refrigerator-sized box :eek: Scary. No soul.
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SriKumar wrote: Added later:
Just saw the video again. The people AND their luggage went into that refrigerator-sized box :eek: Scary. No soul.
There are many videos where authorities welding the doors of apartment with people inside to quarantine them at home. No idea about their food. :roll:
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Perhaps its better to die with these fookers than to sink to those depths.
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^^^ OT but when I see such videos, I can only imagine the brutality of Mao Zedong in the 1950s (including Tibet) and all the 'revolutions' that came after that. These guys are a kind and gentle by comparison. TIbetians must have suffered 100x persecution, as did others at variance with the govt.

The medics 'evacuating' the patients did not think it necessary to have a glass window or something on that box meant to house a couple of humans. The poor lady was screaming....probably out of claustrophobia.
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Arun.prabhu wrote:Further hint on actual dead:

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/02/ ... -patients/

The epochtimes article Breitbart references is in Chinese and is linked in the Breitbart article. Feel free to use good translate.
The sensationalist all-caps bold-faced headline of that Breitbart Deep State article is
REPORT: WUHAN PROVINCE CREMATING HUNDREDS PER DAY WHILE CHINA REPORTS DOZENS OF VIRUS DEATHS
This is the garbage fearmongering statistic tactic, isn't it? Only goes to prove my contention that there is a systematic dirt campaign in progress against Chia - same as they will do to India one of these days unless these are expsed. The province has, what? 80 million ppl? 100million ppl? Use the UBCN estimating procedure and you'll see that SURE they have to have several crematoria operating with enough work to make a profit. That has nothing to do with CV.

I can see it now:
DURING THE TEN YEARS OF THE BRUTAL MODI REGIME OVER 100 MILLION INDIANS DIED AND WERE BURIED OR CREMATED (or in the case of ****** in Mumbai, simply laid out on rocks to be picked apart by vultures!)
:eek: :shock:
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As bad as that video (of the family being forcibly quarantined) is let's remember that only one country on the planet has the strength, the resources and the stone-hearted will to take the virus head on..China. Let's just focus on containing it on the outside and let China do its thing in containing it in the inside.
BTW they want to name this 'Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia'(NCP). I would prefer to call it Wuhan virus. Need to name and shame those baSturds for bringing this upon humanity with their extreme food habits.
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<sarc>Today they come for China. Tomorrow, they’ll come for us. So let’s cover China’s exposed privates even though the Chinese dropped their pants themselves.

Also, the way the messenger looks matters more than the message ever does. Is why sane people always shoot the messenger.</sarc>
UlanBatori wrote:
Arun.prabhu wrote:Further hint on actual dead:

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/02/ ... -patients/

The epochtimes article Breitbart references is in Chinese and is linked in the Breitbart article. Feel free to use good translate.
The sensationalist all-caps bold-faced headline of that Breitbart Deep State article is
REPORT: WUHAN PROVINCE CREMATING HUNDREDS PER DAY WHILE CHINA REPORTS DOZENS OF VIRUS DEATHS
This is the garbage fearmongering statistic tactic, isn't it? Only goes to prove my contention that there is a systematic dirt campaign in progress against Chia - same as they will do to India one of these days unless these are expsed. The province has, what? 80 million ppl? 100million ppl? Use the UBCN estimating procedure and you'll see that SURE they have to have several crematoria operating with enough work to make a profit. That has nothing to do with CV.

I can see it now:
DURING THE TEN YEARS OF THE BRUTAL MODI REGIME OVER 100 MILLION INDIANS DIED AND WERE BURIED OR CREMATED (or in the case of ****** in Mumbai, simply laid out on rocks to be picked apart by vultures!)
:eek: :shock:
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Deaths due to the new #coronavirus will soon (likely tonight) exceed the 9-month mortality count of SARS... in just 6 weeks!

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1 ... 50017?s=19

2% mortality perspective rip
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Arun.prabhu wrote:Further hint on actual dead:

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/02/ ... -patients/

The epochtimes article Breitbart references is in Chinese and is linked in the Breitbart article. Feel free to use good translate.
Here is an interesting find. Can someone confirm? I could not find any release of s20

https://mobile.twitter.com/inteldotwav/ ... 2740811777
Data from http://windy.com shows a massive release of sulfur dioxide gas from the outskirts of Wuhan, commonly associated with the burning of organic matters. Levels are elevated, even compared with the rest of China.
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My understanding is that the crude death rate in China is less than 1% (it is 7.1) That means in a normal year in a city of 11 million the deaths should be less than 78000 or 215 per day. But the deaths reported by the crematoria seem to be significantly higher (1000 a day). UBN analysis?
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video from wuhan. people are shouting something

https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1226059513893150720

the same video is spun as "Wuhan residents chant ‘Keep it up, Wuhan’ out of their windows to boost morale"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_PSSTP8ROg

this twitter handle has many such videos

https://twitter.com/IsChinar
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Chongquing and Wuhan is showing high co2 and so2 levels due to burning.

https://mobile.twitter.com/inteldotwav/ ... 7661436929
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/coro ... 200209.htm
Coronavirus kills over 800 in China, exceeds SARS deaths
By K J M Varma February 09, 2020.

The death toll in China's coronavirus outbreak rose to 811 on Sunday, surpassing the number of fatalities in the 2002-03 SARS epidemic, while over 37,000 people have been confirmed as being infected with the deadly virus that has spread to more than 25 countries.
Eighty-nine deaths were reported on Saturday -- the highest single-day death toll -- and there were 2,656 new confirmed cases of the deadly infection, China's National Health Commission said in its daily report on Sunday.
A total of 811 people have died of the disease so far and 37,198 confirmed cases have been reported in 31 provincial-level regions in China, according to the commission. The death toll surpassed the number of fatalities in the 2002-2003 Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome or SARS epidemic that started in southern China and killed more than 700 people in the mainland, Hong Kong and elsewhere.
Among the 89 deaths, 81 were from Hubei province, the epicentre of the virus outbreak, two in Henan, and one each in Hebei, Heilongjiang, Anhui, Shandong, Hunan and Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, it said. On Saturday, 600 people, including 324 in Hubei province, recovered and walked out of the hospitals, state-run Xinhua news agency reported. As per the data released by the commission, confirmed cases in Hubei, the ground zero of the epidemic, showed a drop perhaps for the first time since the virulent virus first emerged in the province in December. On Saturday, Hubei reported 2,147 new confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus infection, the commission said. The figure is 694 less compared with the new confirmed cases reported in the previous day, it said. Hubei's capital Wuhan reported 1,379 new infections and 63 new deaths, and the cities of Xiaogan and Huanggang reported 123 and 100 new confirmed cases, respectively, according to the provincial health commission. Hubei alone reported 27,100 confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus infection, with 780 deaths and 5,247 cases in severe or critical condition.
Also, 1,439 patients have been discharged after recovery from the hospital, it said.
Across China, 6,188 patients remained in severe condition and 28,942 people were suspected of being infected with the virus, it said. A total of 2,649 people had been discharged from hospital after recovery. By the end of Saturday, 26 confirmed cases and one death had been reported in Hong Kong, 10 confirmed cases in Macao and 17 in Taiwan. One patient in Macao and one in Taiwan were discharged from hospital after recovery, it said.
On Saturday, an American woman and a Japanese man became the first foreigners to have died from the new coronavirus in China.
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Krita wrote:Chongquing and Wuhan is showing high co2 and so2 levels due to burning.

https://mobile.twitter.com/inteldotwav/ ... 7661436929
Can this also be due to spraying of disinfectants? Moreover i cant see the same in windy.com
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Wonderful news. It is also airborne. So persists for up to 9 days on surfaces, survives the digestive tract and potentially spread through contaminated water, can pass through the placenta barrier in vitro and can spread via aerosol through the air. Can infect before symptoms present as well...

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/s ... 2059260928

At this Point, anyone who says this thing is natural should be declared insane. The virus has all the features that bioweapons researchers have wet dreams about.
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Can this also be due to spraying of disinfectants? Moreover i cant see the same in windy.com
Many people have commented that so2 levels are due to burning of organic matter,( can be due to culling of animals as well). Lots of info out there on SM. But, looking a the mortality rates outside China, which is very low at the moment. I don't think the Chinese are understating the numbers by a huge amount.
WHO has tweeted yesterday that the virus spreads through air and can survive hot an humud climate. We need to observe how it pans out in tropical countries like Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia.
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Mystery disease in nigeria, apologies in advance if it turns out to be different than wuhan virus;
africa being africa, it can be literally anything.
https://guardian.ng/news/fg-says-strang ... ssa-fever/
Speaking yesterday evening in Abuja, Ehanire explained that “for now, medical investigations have not detected the exact ailment, but there are indications suggesting that the chemical substance being used for fishing in the affected community could be responsible. But that is subject to outcome of further investigation.”

Many people were confirmed dead in some Benue communities, particularly in Oye-Obi Council, where 15 deaths were recorded and 104 others infected since the mystery disease broke out on January 29, this year.
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Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and its inactivation with biocidal agents
Currently, the emergence of a novel human coronavirus, temporary named 2019-nCoV, has become a global health concern causing severe respiratory tract infections in humans. Human-to-human transmissions have been described with incubation times between 2-10 days, facilitating its spread via droplets, contaminated hands or surfaces. We therefore reviewed the literature on all available information about the persistence of human and veterinary coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces as well as inactivation strategies with biocidal agents used for chemical disinfection, e.g. in healthcare facilities. The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 62-71% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute. Other biocidal agents such as 0.05-0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective. As no specific therapies are available for 2019-nCoV, early containment and prevention of further spread will be crucial to stop the ongoing outbreak and to control this novel infectious thread.
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