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Postby Kati » 24 Feb 2020 20:25

France has seen a 30% to 40% fall in tourists following the coronavirus outbreak: Finance minister

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/23/cor ... ssion=true

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Postby Prithwiraj » 24 Feb 2020 20:42

how come Pakistan has not announced a single instance of Corona Virus given the number of Chinese working there? It is a ticking time bomb and we need to be careful to completely block all possible human traffic to and fro from Pakistan including Kartapur Corridor.

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Postby Bart S » 24 Feb 2020 20:48

Prithwiraj wrote:how come Pakistan has not announced a single instance of Corona Virus given the number of Chinese working there? It is a ticking time bomb and we need to be careful to completely block all possible human traffic to and fro from Pakistan including Kartapur Corridor.


It is probably being hushed up. There was a video somewhere regarding some university students protesting as their facilities were used to quarantine some CPEC workers or something of the sort.

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Postby ldev » 24 Feb 2020 20:58

How long can the coronavirus last on surfaces

China's central bank is taking steps to deep clean and even destroy its cash out of fears that the new coronavirus can survive on the surface of money and potentially spread, according to CNN.

But how long can the new coronavirus linger on surfaces, anyway? The short answer is, we don't know. But if this new coronavirus resembles other human coronaviruses, such as its "cousins" that cause SARS and MERS, it can stay on surfaces — such as metal, glass or plastic — for as long as nine days, according to a new study. (In comparison, flu viruses can last on surfaces for only about 48 hours.)


The authors also found that these coronaviruses can be effectively wiped away by household disinfectants.

For example, disinfectants with 62-71% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite (bleach) can "efficiently" inactivate coronaviruses within a minute, according to the study. "We expect a similar effect against the 2019-nCoV," the researchers wrote, referring to the new coronavirus. But even though the new coronavirus is a similar strain to the SARS coronavirus, it's not clear if it will behave the same.

It's also not clear how frequently hands become contaminated with coronaviruses after touching a sick patient or contaminated surface, according to the study. The World Health Organization recommends alcohol-based hand rubs for decontamination of the hands, the authors wrote.

It's possible that a person can be infected with the virus by touching a contaminated surface or object, "then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes," according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "But this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads."

Rather, the virus is most likely to spread from person to person through close contact and respiratory droplets from coughs and sneezes that can land on a nearby person's mouth or nose, according to the CDC.

The study was published on Feb. 6 in The Journal of Hospital Infection.


So if you are flying and the person who occupied your seat or a nearby seat on a previous flight of that aircraft was infected, the chances are that you will also get infected unless you exercise great caution and not touch your face, mouth, nose.....because airlines do not disinfect seats and tray tables between flights.

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Postby UlanBatori » 24 Feb 2020 22:01

Bad time to go on cruises, bad time to fly, bad time to ride on a bus.. or a taxi. Or go to major festivals. Or a cinema. Or school. Yes, there is going to be a drop in e-KhanoComic activity.
vodkaya namah!

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Postby sudarshan » 24 Feb 2020 22:15

Alcohol swabs are cheap, what's wrong with bringing your own and wiping down your own seat and trays? Sooner or later the airlines will get the message.

Maybe also surreptitiously wipe down the guy/ gal in the next seat, and watch out for their doing the same to you. But that way you risk a harassment charge....

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Postby UlanBatori » 24 Feb 2020 22:27

The boogers spread through the air. "Weaponzed".

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Postby sudarshan » 24 Feb 2020 22:39

Yes the best way is to avoid flying, but if you're required to make a heroic sacrifice (in the name of earning your living) then you take whatever precautions you can. I don't know how easy it is to make yourself heard to a harassed air-host(ess) by mumbling through a mask or respirator, (or hearing his/ her swearing at you through h** mask) but if you got to do it, then do it.

But that's one high-risk profession for sure, maybe it will make a good case study - how many airline host(esse)s come down with it.

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Postby g.sarkar » 24 Feb 2020 23:32

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ity-of-qom
Coronavirus: Iran denies cover-up as six deaths reported in Italy
Tehran rejects claim death toll is more than four times higher than official figures suggest
Sam Jones, Aamna Mohdin and agencies, Mon 24 Feb 2020

The Iranian government has denied trying to cover up the full extent of an outbreak of the coronavirus, as Italy reported six deaths and officials across the Middle East and Europe scrambled to limit its spread.
On Monday, a lawmaker from Qom – a Shia holy city 75 miles (120 km) south of the capital, Tehran, accused Iran’s health minister of lying about the scale of the outbreak. According to the semi-official Ilna news agency, which is close to reformists, the lawmaker, Ahmad Amirabadi Farahani, said there had been 50 deaths from the coronavirus in Qom alone. “The rest of the media have not published this figure, but we prefer not to censor what concerns the coronavirus because people’s lives are in danger,” the Ilna editor Fatemeh Madiani told Agence France-Presse.
But the country’s deputy health minister rejected the report. In a news conference broadcast live on state television, Iraj Harirchi said 12 people had died from the coronavirus and 66 had been infected. “I categorically deny this information,” he said, adding: “This is not the time for political confrontations. The coronavirus is a national problem.”
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PS I am sure things may be the same in Paklands, where the interaction with Sugarland people is more. That means it is coming to India through the bearded peacefuls.

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Postby sudeepj » 25 Feb 2020 00:03

Numbers out of Singapore are most encouraging! No new infections reported today!

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... le-two-are

SINGAPORE - There are no new cases of the coronavirus disease, said the Health Ministry (MOH) on Sunday (Feb 23), meaning that the total number stays at 89.

Meanwhile, two more have been discharged. A total of 51 have fully recovered since the first case was confirmed a month ago, on Jan 23.

Most of the 38 confirmed cases who are still hospitalised are stable or improving. Five are in critical condition in the intensive care unit.

As of noon on Sunday, MOH has identified 2,812 close contacts, with 908 currently quarantined. Another 1,904 have completed their quarantine.


This means a well disciplined society taking precautions can slow down the spread, at the very least for a while! With weather favoring us, hopefully, itll be even better. Undisciplined, poor societies lacking infrastructure on the other hand can still have a hard time. Worst news is the virus breaking out in the Muddle East. With war ravaging many countries here, its possible the disease will establish a 'reservoir' here with periodic outbreaks from this geography outwards.

The time for a public health campaign teaching people to wash their hands, maintain cough/sneeze/spit discipline, sanitation discipline is now. Modi jis toilets and swachhata campaign are probably going to be a literal life saver for millions.

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Postby ramana » 25 Feb 2020 00:30

So whats the transmission process for Iran and Italy to get the virus?

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Postby ramana » 25 Feb 2020 00:37

UlanBatori wrote:^^ Can't understand the MEA logic. Seems like a steady stream of mask supplies would be a good way to keep up the Panchsheel. Could this be retaliation for cheen not acknowledging prior desh support? I got that feeling from the "calm, objective" etc advice which is always cheen reaction to having been caught doing haraam things. (doklam redux). Also, masks are mass-production items: how does 3M plan to protect IP by **NOT** selling the product to the largest market on Earth? Right now they could sell 1.4B of those for starters, with replacements to follow!

Makes no sense, except that MEA is teachig their cheen counterparts some manners. Perhaps when Eleven finds out **WHY** the evil yindoos are mad and not "calm, rational" etc, some cheen-MEA types are going to get Re-Educated in Need 4 Humility at the Gobi REC. Hence the panic from Beijing on what is otherwise a non-issue.


I think the mask export thing has gone up several notches.
The principal scientific adviser must have weighed in on the export of essential supplies.
BTW he is now chairing a committee of 12 S&T secretaries to advice on policy and priorities ad reports to Minister for Science who is the PM!!!

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Postby sanjaykumar » 25 Feb 2020 01:36

^^^If the mask is steaming up your goggles and you’re not checking out the brunettes, you’ve got your mask on WRONG. It is not protecting you.

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Feb 2020 02:01

^^ Let me put it this way: If 2 of those were placed side by side they would make a Raaz -e- VictoriaBibi and the nose clamp is above the mouth, on the bridge-e-nose. How wrong can it be, hain? Still if I wear goggles, they get misted fast and not a (u know what) in sight. After a few attempts, I just toss it away and breath whatever the heck is in the air, better than operating power tools without clear vision. After all white paint dust is no worse than FairNLovely.

Bliss to advise onlee
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Postby Vivasvat » 25 Feb 2020 02:05

UlanBatori wrote:N95 masks are available on Amazon. Thicker than usual particle masks. Pretty standard for use with toxic dust as with sanding painted surfaces. Exotic features I see for "respirator" is that the Model 8511 comes with a "cool flow valve". Maybe exhalation does not come up the face and steam up goggles (my biggest problem in using this for cleaning yak stables in Mongolia). Don't know if it does that or not.
The more exotic Respirators with the side charcoal filters like wearing a donkey nose, are much more expensive.

Tried out a few masks...
The ones with valves are easier to breathe with, and yes they do not clog up lenses. But, the valve itself is not covered with a filter. So, a mask with a filter protects the wearer, but does protect the wearer from transmitting the virus to others around him/her.
A mask with a silicone seal fits better.
3M says it's Disposable masks protect for 8 hours or until the mask is wet.
Chinese brands say they protect for 20 to 30 hours is less polluted areas.
P100 masks are beasts and costly.
One can create a surgical mask using three layers of facial tissue sandwiched between two layers of cloth or porous paper. Surgical masks minimize transmission, and to a much lesser extent, reception.

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Postby Amber G. » 25 Feb 2020 02:06

ramana wrote:
The principal scientific adviser must have weighed in on the export of essential supplies.
BTW he is now chairing a committee of 12 S&T secretaries to advice on policy and priorities ad reports to Minister for Science who is the PM!!!


Interesting that both "The principal scientific adviser" and the Secretary DST are IITK alum , very well respected in academia, are (and have been for a long time) quite active in teaching, social media as well as many scientists/alum groups and are quite approachable and ready to share their knowledge.(have known them for decades) . They are technically quite good and knowledgeable. What is more, their research contributions are highly interdisciplinary, spanning many different fields (outside engineering/hard science) including Medical/biological sciences. Their knowledge about ancient Indian history, philosophy, poetry and art, for those who know them is quite impressive. IMO GOI is quite lucky to have such people.

Some background :
https://dst.gov.in/profile-prof-ashutosh-sharma
http://psa.gov.in/archive/principal-scintific-adviser-india

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Feb 2020 02:13

BTW I am pretty sure I bought the N95 masks (a box of 10) at local Depot-e-Ghar or Lowes. While back. Not Amazon. Just saw this morning that I have 9 fresh ones left. Should last until the hoarded drinking water runs out.

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Postby Amber G. » 25 Feb 2020 02:28

Sorry if posted before, if you have not read it, it is worth reading. Handling by India/ Kerala is quite qood.

"Never Lost Hope"

India’s first coronavirus patient
...The 24-year-old praised Kerala health minister K K Shailaja, who would call her and her mother to give them strength. “She would tell me that you are not alone and the whole state is with you. The state government has done a stupendous job that really helped prevent infections. I really salute it.”

<please read the whole article, it is short...>


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Postby sanjaykumar » 25 Feb 2020 04:07

The masks were not designed for facial hair. Another good reason to get out of the jihad business.

There will be a thin metal strip at the nasal bridge. Gently apply it to for the contours of the chehra. Breathe out through the mouth. It should puff out the mask. No air should leak around the mask. The idea is for air exchange to be through the filter.

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Postby mappunni » 25 Feb 2020 04:14

ramana wrote:So whats the transmission process for Iran and Italy to get the virus?


Ramana Saar,
Cheeni log have bought up most of Italy, that's what I noticed during my last year's trip to Italy. All the tourist areas are filled with Cheeni log and Cheeni restaurants, hotels, etc which cater to the Cheeni crowd and have come up in a big way.

Those Cheeni log who can afford have packed lock stock and barrel to Italy or other European countries with easier immigration policies. The famous brand name hotel chain franchise we stayed at Vernona was owned by a Cheeni and most of the staff too was Cheeni.

And there comes the Corona with Cheeni log.

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Feb 2020 04:28

WHO is citing "stereotyping" as a growing problem.
Meanwhile, came in the email. Seems current as of todin.
The nCOV19/ COVID-19 Pandemic

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Postby Amber G. » 25 Feb 2020 05:05

Obituary of Dr. Li Wenliang (As Published in Lancent)


Ophthalmologist who warned about the outbreak of COVID-19. Born in Beizhen, China, on Oct 12, 1986, he died after becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China, on Feb 7, 2020, aged 33 years.

On Dec 30, 2020, Li Wenliang sent a message to a group of fellow doctors warning them about a possible outbreak of an illness that resembled severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in Wuhan, Hubei province, China, where he worked. Meant to be a private message, he encouraged them to protect themselves from infection. Days later, he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau in Wuhan and made to sign a statement in which he was accused of making false statements that disturbed the public order.

In fact, Li was one of the first people to recognise the outbreak of 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) in Wuhan that has now spread to 25 countries, killing 1669 people and infecting more than 51 800 people as of Feb 16, 2020. Li returned to work after signing the statement and contracted severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), apparently from a patient. His death sparked outrage in China, where citizens took to message boards to voice their gratitude for Li's dedicated front-line service and to criticise the initial response of Wuhan's security and medical officials to his warning. In the days before his death, Li said “If the officials had disclosed information about the epidemic earlier I think it would have been a lot better”, in an interview with The New York Times. “There should be more openness and transparency”, he said.

Li studied clinical medicine at Wuhan University and, after graduating, went to work in Xiamen, a port city in China's southeast. He took a position as an ophthalmologist at Wuhan Central Hospital in 2014. That hospital has been one of the health facilities at the epicentre of the outbreak of COVID-19. Li raised the alarm after he saw seven patients with SARS-like symptoms. Li reported the suspected outbreak to his colleagues in a closed group on the WeChat social media platform after learning that patients were being quarantined. He told The New York Times that there was already speculation within the group that there could be a new SARS outbreak and “we needed to be ready for it mentally. Take protective measures.” “One of the world's most important warning systems for a deadly new outbreak is a doctor's or nurse's recognition that some new disease is emerging and then sounding the alarm”, said Tom Inglesby, the Director of the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, MD, USA. “It takes intelligence and courage to step up and say something like that, even in the best of circumstances.”

Li was one of eight people detained in Wuhan for “spreading rumours”, according to Chinese media. In a video, he said he was asked to sign a statement agreeing to stop illegal activities or face legal punishment. Nevertheless, Li decided to speak out about his experience because “I think a healthy society should not have just one voice”, as he told Caixin. In China, citizens and even some officials seem to agree with him. The National Supervisory Commission, the country's highest anti-corruption agency, has announced it will investigate Li's death. In the wake of Li's death, the Wuhan municipal government issued a statement offering condolences to Li's family as did the National Health Commission. Li's death highlighted the impact of COVID-19 on health workers in China. On Feb 14, 2020, the Chinese Government announced 1716 health workers in China have COVID-19 and six have died.

“I deeply mourn for all the medical practitioners passing away in the struggle against this emerging infectious disease, especially Dr Li Wenliang, as one of the whistle-blowers dedicating his young life in the front line”, Jie Qiao, Academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering and President of Peking University Third Hospital in Beijing, who is working in Wuhan with the front-line health workers, told The Lancet. “We were encouraged by his dedication to patients and we will continue to fight against the virus to comfort the dead with the final victory.” Li's parents were also infected with SARS-CoV-2 but have recovered, according to an audio recording of Li's mother shared on social media. Li is also survived by a son and his wife, who is pregnant with their second child. “Rising doctors and nurses should remember Dr Li's name for doing the right and brave thing for his community and the world, and should be encouraged to do the same if they are ever in a moment to make that kind of difference in the world”, Inglesby said.

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Postby nachiket » 25 Feb 2020 05:36

Read and shiver in your dhotis :shock:

New Research: Bats Harbor Hundreds Of Coronaviruses, And Spillovers Aren't Rare

Three years ago, NPR accompanied disease ecologist Kevin Olival on a field trip to Malaysian Borneo.

Olival, who is with the nonprofit research group EcoHealth Alliance, was there to trap bats and collect samples of their body fluids. He and his collaborators would then test the samples for viruses. Bats are known for carrying some dangerous ones, particularly viruses that have the potential to kick off global outbreaks through what's called "spillovers" — instances of an animal virus jumping into a human.

So the researchers were on a hunt for the next big threat.

The results of their work put the current coronavirus outbreak in China in a wholly new light. Scientists say it was caused by a spillover event. And the findings from the sample collection project suggest these kinds of spillovers have actually been quietly taking place in China for years.

Swabbing bats

The evidence comes from hours of painstaking sample collection sessions, like the one NPR witnessed in Borneo:

Olival is at the edge of a rainforest, sitting in a makeshift outdoor lab. There are plastic chairs. On a folding table, he places a small female bat.

"It's OK, girl. It's OK, girl," says Olival soothingly as the bat wriggles.

"So we're getting the oral swab in the back of the throat," Olival explains. "And I'm just holding her head between my two fingers."

He smiles. "Oooh, good one! There's definitely some sample on that swab."

The bat gives a sudden squeak.

"That was a reaction to a rectal swab," says Olival wryly.

A few more swabs and it's all done.

"Now she gets her special treat," says Olival. "A little bit of mango juice as a reward."

At that time, Olival and his colleagues were also in the process of collecting samples from thousands of bats in China.

Fast-forward to the present day. Olival says what they found is alarming: "We found evidence for, in total, from all the sampling we did in China, about 400 new strains of coronaviruses."

That means 400 potential candidates to spark another outbreak. After all, a coronavirus caused a massive outbreak in China back in 2002 — severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS. And this current outbreak is from a SARS-related coronavirus.

A direct path to humans

It gets worse: Scientists had thought spillovers were rare — that bat coronaviruses weren't generally capable of infecting humans, so it took complicated steps. Step one: A bat coronavirus would have to infect some animal species that had closer contact with people than bats do. Step two: While in that other animal's body, the virus would need to pick up new genetic code.

But the sampling project found that those steps are not needed, says Olival.

"What we showed was that SARS-related viruses in these bat populations have the potential to go directly into human cells and do not need that extra mutational step [of] infecting another host."


In other words, the path to sparking new outbreaks is potentially much more direct.

For example, one of the coronaviruses that the researchers found was a very close genetic match for the SARS virus. So they put it in a petri dish with human cells. The virus succeeded in infecting the cells.

Bat contact

Olival says the fact that a bat coronavirus had at least this biological ability in a lab setting raised an obvious next question: Is there evidence that these viruses are infecting people in the real world?

So the researchers started taking blood samples from villagers in China who lived near some of the bat caves they'd been studying.

Hongying Li is an ecologist with EcoHealth Alliance. She says there were any number of ways these people seemed at risk of inadvertently coming into contact with bat saliva, urine or poop.

"In some places you could find bats roosting in people's homes," she says. "A lot of people reported, 'Once a bat flew into my house and I killed it' or 'Bats ate the fruits in my backyard.' "

And people even visited the bat caves, says Li. The caves were a particularly popular hangout in the summer, when they provided respite from the heat.

"When we went to the caves for sampling, we'd usually see people's beer bottles and water bottles," says Li.

She and her colleagues checked the villagers' blood for signs of recent infections with bat coronaviruses. The team did this again with people in some other rural areas. Each time, says Li, "we found coronaviruses that had already spilled over into the human population."

These were multiple mini-outbreaks that had gone undetected.

Olival says this discovery was a huge red flag: "The signal is there that these SARS-related viruses were jumping into people even if they weren't causing any noticeable disease."

Indeed, people might have even had symptoms, but health authorities simply never picked up on it.

Spillovers

Which brings us to this current coronavirus outbreak. As soon as it started, EcoHealth Alliance's longtime collaborators in China (principally researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital) compared the new virus with the bat samples they'd collected. They found an extremely close match.

"A viral taxonomist would probably call that the same virus species," says Olival.

That suggests this current outbreak — which has infected tens of thousands of people — could have come directly from bats, says Olival.

And, he adds, the larger takeaway is clear: "These bat SARS-related coronaviruses are actively spilling over in the human population."

Not all of them will spark deadly pandemics. But the more frequent these spillovers, the greater the chances.

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Feb 2020 05:54

Why don't we reverse-infect the bats with our patented human stupidity I wonder..

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Postby Amber G. » 25 Feb 2020 06:06

Meanwhile: Some encouraging news: Moderna (A Cambridge, Mass, company) Ships mRNA Vaccine Against Novel Coronavirus (mRNA-1273) for Phase 1 Study..https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-ships-mrna-vaccine-against-novel-coronavirus-mrna-1273?fbclid=IwAR2nvkjCzYKJBPGuKUBfwZAx-SErmu_0r1EsYnzmeh6Owio-X_ptBCOZtrk


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Postby Amber G. » 25 Feb 2020 06:18

ramana wrote:So whats the transmission process for Iran and Italy to get the virus?

I was looking at detailed data (a centralized place where detail information about every case - those who were admitted etc) with sex/age and also travel history. I mostly looked at US and India specific data.

All the cases in US and India had a connection to Wuahn.

From what I can see, all the cases in Italy too had a connection to Wuhan...I have just glanced (I filtered out China, but still the rows on downloaded excel were too much to do more study :) )

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Postby Amber G. » 25 Feb 2020 06:19


This was around this much (6000+ quite a few weeks ago too).

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Postby Amber G. » 25 Feb 2020 06:38


Thx.. I also posted this here a few days ago <here> ...
This was old research recently brought out by NPR etc.. IMO the important part they were pointing out for current situation is:, after doing detailed study of gene sequencing , they are virtually certain that it is not "engineered/designed" virus. There is still quite uncertainty about "intermediate" hosts if any too. (Some are suggesting pangolin etc.. but there is no universal agreement yet)

(There was a medArXiv paper few weeks ago commenting about short sequence in RNA which seemed "odd" (similar to man made or HIV virus).. but that paper has been retracted and debunked by reputable sources).

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Postby sanjaykumar » 25 Feb 2020 06:48

The more I learn the more foolish I feel for dismissing some of what many call superstitions in India.

The response to a bat entering a home was illuminating.

Other examples include the near obsession with breath and yogic control of breathing. Benefits seem to be now documented or at least a plausible mechanism is available. The vagus nerve’s afterent communications with brain regions.

The near obsession with foodstuffs. Again a plausible mechanism for purported benefits in autoimmune disease, mental state may be mediated by the gut microflora.

These are brilliant empirical observations. It is certainly science. To observe and draw conclusions and inferences and predictions.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 25 Feb 2020 06:49

Intermediate hosts are unnecessary. Chinese eat everything including bats.

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Postby sudarshan » 25 Feb 2020 07:14

sanjaykumar wrote:The more I learn the more foolish I feel for dismissing some of what many call superstitions in India.


Might be a good discussion to have in the Tradition, Culture, etc. thread. This so-called "untouchability" seems to have been simply a set of rules to avoid food and water-borne diseases, extremely practical and related to occupation, nothing to do with upper or lower castes. I say this after reading (rather) extensively of travelers' accounts of India (still an ongoing process) - travelers from three different parts of the world (East Asia, West Asia, Europe), belonging to three different religions (Buddhism, Islam, Christianity), spanning an interval of 1400 or so years (200 AD to 1650 AD) - their observations of India are remarkably consistent. Even the European translators of these works admit - these observations have been made about India over centuries.

For one - Indians are obsessed with personal cleanliness and hygiene, to the point of fanaticism. No mention of any such thing as "open defecation," all the way to 1650 AD (so - any guesses on what happened to India between 1650 AD to 2000 AD, when open defecation became so prominent?). None of them mention any kind of caste persecution. But all OT here.

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Postby ramana » 25 Feb 2020 07:19

AmberG commend you for your diligence. If you need help please holler.

So far all cases have Wuhan connection? If you upload te excel file can have folks help you.


PSA is good person and smart. He already figured out he needs to follow me on twitter!!! 8)

Sanjay Kumar, the Chinese eating habits are a convenient stick to beat them with.

In Kerala, the living habits of the people were blamed for Nipah virus.


Did you all know that in October 2019, US scientists war gamed corona virus spread and made lots of predictions.
its all in Twitter. its called Event 201.
And mind you it was not until Jan 7th that Xi JinPing was informed about the outbreak and even the name corona virus was not in common usage.
So there is a lot we don't know.

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Feb 2020 07:20

^^ Wonder where Shri Rama & parivar "went" in all their 14 saal of wandering the forest?
In fact all campers, soldiers etc face the same issue. Most of the Himalayan peaks have been pakistanized by western "climbers". Worse than the tracks of Indian Railways.

The training needed is how to handle this elegantly. Like cats, dogs, tigers etc.
The only problem comes when settled residential areas don't have pakistans - as the rot of Indian cities and villages "developed".

This is not OT here: we may be 1 week from an explosion of the pandemic in India. All that self-congratulations on brilliant Mantris and Baboon expressing Concern when there is ONE patient down with the disease, sound particularly "vinasa kale vipareeta buddhi". India should be scrambling like anything to bring emergency equipment, instruction, masks and at least clean drinking water to all localities to get ready for quarantine-in-place along with modern care. And STRICT hygiene is absolutely, absolutely critical. Will make the difference between a few hundred deaths, vs a few million.

Of course the True Ancient Way would be to let the epidemic run its course. Bhavitavyam Bhavet Eva. Whoever is left will have 400% immunity to this virus. Until next year.

What happens ifwhen there is an outbreak in, say, Mumbai? Will the city be quarantined? All public transport stopped? All private transport stopped? How about, say, Chennai? Where everyone has to carry drinking water in plastic bottles because they have basically turned all their water into pakistan-water?

How will people survive? This should be the discussion here, not chest-thumping on how sanitation worked so well 1,732,000 years ago when the population was maybe 10 million in all of MahaBhArat - and kept low by annual epidemics.

It was only yesterday that cholera was more or less eradicated; smallpox and polio not so much earlier. Dysentery is still around IMO. Malaria is apparently still a threat. People in India are VERY frequently ill with one type of flu/cough/cold or another. A catastrophe waiting to happen.
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Postby chanakyaa » 25 Feb 2020 07:56

The Next Pandemic Is Out There. Is the Private Sector Ready? (November 8, 2019)
Late in the summer of 2019, a virus makes the leap from pigs in South America to the farmers who come into close and regular contact with them. It begins as a slow burn in Brazil; by October, it is gaining momentum and becomes known to the world.

The virus is called CAPS, a coronavirus, like SARS and MERS, that has never been seen before. It causes pneumonia and acute respiratory distress — in the most severe cases, liquid fills the lungs until breathing becomes labored or impossible.

A further mutation allows the virus to jump from person to person. From densely packed urban areas, the virus spreads, hanging in the very air we breathe. From its epicenter in Brazil, it spreads across the world.

A Pandemic Response Board is formed, made up of business leaders, public health experts, and representatives from the Centers for Disease Control. The Board is intended to coordinate the public and private plans for stopping — and surviving — the pandemic.

In their 18-month struggle against CAPS, 65 million people will die.
...

CAPS isn't a real virus (yet), and this is not the world we live in — but it is, perhaps, the world next door. A few farsighted experts and executives are determined to be ready, in case the neighbors drop by to say hello.


Pandemic simulation exercise spotlights massive preparedness gap
Event 201, hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, envisions a fast-spreading coronavirus with a devastating impact...

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Feb 2020 08:14

^^^ Sounds ominously like the FOIL planning the Conference "Siting Secularism in India" to be held at Oberlin (ChiCom/EJ) College in March 2002 - planning in late October 2001. With the only planned bijnej being to condom India for jenn-o-cide.
One asks the question: "Hu Knoo?"

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Postby RohitH » 25 Feb 2020 08:26

chanakyaa wrote:The Next Pandemic Is Out There. Is the Private Sector Ready? (November 8, 2019)
A Pandemic Response Board is formed, made up of business leaders, public health experts, and representatives from the Centers for Disease Control. The Board is intended to coordinate the public and private plans for stopping — and surviving — the pandemic.

In their 18-month struggle against CAPS, 65 million people will die.
...

CAPS isn't a real virus (yet), and this is not the world we live in — but it is, perhaps, the world next door. A few farsighted experts and executives are determined to be ready, in case the neighbors drop by to say hello.


Pandemic simulation exercise spotlights massive preparedness gap
Event 201, hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, envisions a fast-spreading coronavirus with a devastating impact...


This Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security has been doing such simulation exercises every few years since 2001.
It's a sign of mature society that values sharing of ideas and thorough discussion ,analysis and long term planning.
They should be congratulated for a job well done.
They have built a brain trust for all the stakeholders with viable thoughtful action plan to implement when shit actually hits the fan.
It's amazing that they could visualize the worst case scenario in such great detail that we now see unfolding in front of our eyes.

Now compare how China has reacted and it will make things clear. No one can blame poor Chinese.
They are good at digging trenches. They work fast and keep digging in same direction until big guy with machine gun tells them to stop.
It results in huge centralized quarantine facilities that breed more infections or people welded inside their homes waiting to die.

Once all this finally gets under control , actual fatality rate in China will probably be 10 times more than any other country in the world.
Real reason will not be unknown virus but unprepared dumb Chinese approach to tackle the challenge.

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Feb 2020 08:54

rohitji, thx.
Everyone: download stuff from there ASAP> I bet it will be gone from the Internet very very soon. Even the CT types have not discovered it yet - and it's a slam-dunk panic generator. Forget the media articles: try to download the actual content. Sample:

Center News
Clade X pandemic exercise highlights policies needed to prevent or reduce the worst possible outcomes in future pandemics

Clade X Pandemic Exercise

Margaret Hamburg in her exercise role as US Secretary of Health and Human Services, flanked at the Clade X EXCOMM table by Jim Talent (left) and Jeff Smith.

By Nick Alexopulos | May 15, 2018

The outbreak of a moderately contagious and moderately lethal novel pathogen precipitated a catastrophic end to the scenario in Clade X, the day-long pandemic tabletop exercise hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security on May 15 in Washington, DC.

Clade X simulated a series of National Security Council–convened meetings of 10 US government leaders, played by individuals prominent in the fields of national security or epidemic response. Their dialogue as the scenario unfolded addressed significant uncertainties in current prevention and response capabilities, hamstrung by policy challenges at the federal level.

The scenario opens with the present-day outbreak of a new, serious respiratory disease in Germany and Venezuela. Soon after, Clade X is identified as a novel strain of human parainfluenza virus with genetic elements of Nipah virus. In the weeks that follow a fringe group bent on reducing the human population claims responsibility for the creation and intentional release of the disease. Authorities confirm those claims and verify that the novel strain was indeed engineered by the group’s scientists. There is no vaccine, and pressure grows as pockets of cases appear in the United States. Clade X quickly causes widespread, worldwide anxiety as case counts and deaths mount. Within a year, 150 million people die from the disease—15 million in the United States alone.

At the conclusion of the exercise, the Center presented 6 strategic policy goals needing commitment from the United States to prevent or reduce the worst possible outcomes in future pandemics. Those recommendations are:
Develop capability to produce new vaccines and drugs for novel pathogens within months not years.
Pioneer a strong and sustainable global health security system.
Build a robust, highly capable national public health system that can manage the challenges of pandemic response.
Develop a national plan to effectively harness all US healthcare assets in a catastrophic pandemic.
Implement an international strategy for addressing research that increases pandemic risks.
Ensure the national security community is well prepared to prevent, detect, and respond to infectious disease emergencies.
A full description of each policy recommendation is available on the Clade X website, along with video recordings of the four exercise segments.


In the weeks ahead, the Center’s Clade X project team will synthesize the most important points from unscripted discussions among players during the exercise and disseminate those findings widely among members of the US and international biosecurity policy communities.

About the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security:
The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security works to protect people from epidemics and disasters and build resilient communities through innovative scholarship, engagement, and research that strengthens the organizations, systems, policies, and programs essential to preventing and responding to public health crises. The Center is part of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and is located in Baltimore, MD.


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