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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Atmavik » 11 Apr 2020 23:07

Lohit wrote:

I think these are v imp points. Perhaps a version of a roadmap on how to crash the CCP could be,

1. China must face severe economic isolation, a gun must be put to the heads of the likes of Soros and other Western capitalist moguls to ensure they pull back and consequently China's exports are killed, its housing markets collapse, debt dries up and unemployment escalates.


This will cause major economic pain in the west as well. once the dust settles down on this virus event we are already looking at a major contraction and a trade war will make things much worse.

china is seen as a major growth area for US companies. this article is dated April 1 2020

BlackRock Seeks Mutual Fund License as China Opens Markets

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/blackroc ... 01046.html

cant belive I am saying this but I miss the days of Dick Chaney.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby g.sarkar » 11 Apr 2020 23:08

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/maga ... pe=Article
Restarting America Means People Will Die. So When Do We Do It?
Five thinkers weigh moral choices in a crisis.
By The New York Times Magazine, April 10, 2020

The politics of the coronavirus have made it seem indecent to talk about the future. As President Trump has flirted with reopening America quickly — saying in late March that he’d like to see “packed churches” on Easter and returning to the theme days ago with “we cannot let this continue” — public-health experts have felt compelled to call out the dangers. Many Americans have responded by rejecting as monstrous the whole idea of any trade-off between saving lives and saving the economy. And in the near term, it’s true that those two goals align: For the sake of both, it’s imperative to keep businesses shuttered and people in their homes as much as possible.
In the longer run, though, it’s important to acknowledge that a trade-off will emerge — and become more urgent in the coming months, as the economy slides deeper into recession. The staggering toll of unemployment has reached more than 16 million in just the last three weeks. There will be difficult compromises between doing everything possible to save lives from Covid-19 and preventing other life-threatening, or -altering, harms.
When can we ethically bring people back to work and school and begin to resume the usual rhythms of American life? We brought together by video conference five different kinds of experts to talk about the principles and values that will determine the choices we make at that future point. One of them, the bioethicist Zeke Emanuel, led a group from the Center for American Progress that earlier this month presented a plan to end the coronavirus crisis. First, the group said, the country needs a national stay-at-home policy through mid-May. (Eight governors still haven’t issued such orders statewide.) In the intervening weeks, testing would have to ramp up to test everyone who has a fever, or lives with someone who tests positive for Covid-19. Contact-tracing — identifying and notifying people who have been in proximity to someone infected — would become comprehensive. People who have the virus or a fever, or those in proximity to them, would be isolated. There would also be testing of a representative sample in every county, to determine the rate of infection in the population, as well as mapping and alerts to inform the public about the location of Covid-19 cases.
If these efforts are successfully put in place, Emanuel hopes the current restrictions could begin to ease in June. At that point — or later, if the necessary steps have not been taken — we will need to rethink how we manage risk, recognizing trade-offs among various harms and benefits. That’s what the panel discussed.
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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby amar_p » 12 Apr 2020 00:11

Covid19 is a black swan event for China, and the rest of the world.

Neither SARS nor other viruses could do such damage and though Pandemic scenarios were drawn up by many analysts, no one took it as a credible, in our lifetime threat.

Its easy to criticize Xi for Belt & Road etc. But look at it this way, China has had a run of tremendous growth & prosperity for 3 decades, with every Fortune2000 company dependent on it for production and profits. When you have more, you have more to lose. So you start building fences beyond your property, hard fences or soft ones.

If India had such a run, we would have tried to do the same, but with different results. The difference is in the method. China believes in coercion and intimidation, heck that's what works at home right ? India would have adopted a more inclusive, live and let live, Dharmic approach. Like we always do.

So when the Covid black swan swoops overhead, China will face a significant back lash and unraveling. Those intimidated and coerced will turn against it. If it were India we would have suffered economic set backs but wouldn't have lost any friends. Their's is a 'taking' civilisation, ours is a 'giving' civilisation.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Lohit » 12 Apr 2020 01:33

Atmavik wrote:
This will cause major economic pain in the west as well.


I would say - this will cause major economic pain to the wall street onlee. Trump has given wall street the QE carrot. He will show them the stick as well of they don't shift


I think this will be like the trade war. While we think shifting of manufacturing base from China seems almost impossible - once the US and ROW decide to act on it, we will marvel in hindsight how easy it actually turned out to be.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Bart S » 12 Apr 2020 03:06

Lohit wrote:
Atmavik wrote:
This will cause major economic pain in the west as well.


I would say - this will cause major economic pain to the wall street onlee. Trump has given wall street the QE carrot. He will show them the stick as well of they don't shift


I think this will be like the trade war. While we think shifting of manufacturing base from China seems almost impossible - once the US and ROW decide to act on it, we will marvel in hindsight how easy it actually turned out to be.


It won't be that simple, though it is doable. There is a ton of IP, sophisticated tech/machinery, software, documentation etc currently in MNC operations within China (the same stuff that China has been stealing and duplicating). If you withdraw en masse, what if the Chinese govt impounds that stuff, for example?

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby vera_k » 12 Apr 2020 04:54

We started getting the free weekly CPC newspaper delivery again. Looks like the party has funded a PR campaign to get its view point across.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Atmavik » 12 Apr 2020 07:34

vera_k wrote:We started getting the free weekly CPC newspaper delivery again. Looks like the party has funded a PR campaign to get its view point across.


if u don't mind sharing which istan this is in ? hope its not in gods own country :roll:

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby vera_k » 12 Apr 2020 07:48

^ Washington State

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Atmavik » 12 Apr 2020 08:39

Fifty Crew Members Of French Navy’s Aircraft Carrier Charle De Gaulle Found Infected With Coronavirus

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/fifty-cre ... oronavirus

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Atmavik » 12 Apr 2020 08:45

China’s Corporates Are Gearing Up in Europe for M&A Bargains

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... a-bargains

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Lohit » 12 Apr 2020 11:04

Bart S wrote:What if the Chinese govt impounds that stuff, for example?


Won't that be an act of war though? If China is willing to go that extent, all bets are off anyway.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby syam » 12 Apr 2020 11:32

vishvak wrote:You mean financially ?

not just financially. i am expecting significant changes in every aspect of life once our cases reach 15k.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Lohit » 12 Apr 2020 16:30

SSridhar wrote:
Xi's and China's problems are going to only mount.



Sir, apropos to our discussion yesterday :D -

Secretary xi is in trouble within China. According to my sources within, the party elite want xi gone. The Guangdong elite (Uncle Deng’s family) are beginning to rattle the cages of change against the supposed “emperor for life”.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jkylebass/st ... 9574663169

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby pgbhat » 12 Apr 2020 17:08

amar_p wrote:Covid19 is a black swan event for China, and the rest of the world.

Neither SARS nor other viruses could do such damage and though Pandemic scenarios were drawn up by many analysts, no one took it as a credible, in our lifetime threat.

Its easy to criticize Xi for Belt & Road etc. But look at it this way, China has had a run of tremendous growth & prosperity for 3 decades, with every Fortune2000 company dependent on it for production and profits. When you have more, you have more to lose. So you start building fences beyond your property, hard fences or soft ones.

If India had such a run, we would have tried to do the same, but with different results. The difference is in the method. China believes in coercion and intimidation, heck that's what works at home right ? India would have adopted a more inclusive, live and let live, Dharmic approach. Like we always do.

So when the Covid black swan swoops overhead, China will face a significant back lash and unraveling. Those intimidated and coerced will turn against it. If it were India we would have suffered economic set backs but wouldn't have lost any friends. Their's is a 'taking' civilisation, ours is a 'giving' civilisation.


Taleb disagrees with you.
Nassim Taleb Says Coronavirus Pandemic is Not a 'Black Swan'

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Bart S » 12 Apr 2020 17:52

Atmavik wrote:China’s Corporates Are Gearing Up in Europe for M&A Bargains

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... a-bargains


It looks like Chinese entities picked up 1% of the shares in HDFC Bank recently. Hope GOI puts in some measures on an urgent basis to stop ALL foreign buying of Indian companies or shares till the situation is less murky. All because Chinese entities operate out of a lot of different regions to mask their origins.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Bart S » 12 Apr 2020 18:00

pgbhat wrote:
amar_p wrote:Covid19 is a black swan event for China, and the rest of the world.

Neither SARS nor other viruses could do such damage and though Pandemic scenarios were drawn up by many analysts, no one took it as a credible, in our lifetime threat.

Its easy to criticize Xi for Belt & Road etc. But look at it this way, China has had a run of tremendous growth & prosperity for 3 decades, with every Fortune2000 company dependent on it for production and profits. When you have more, you have more to lose. So you start building fences beyond your property, hard fences or soft ones.

If India had such a run, we would have tried to do the same, but with different results. The difference is in the method. China believes in coercion and intimidation, heck that's what works at home right ? India would have adopted a more inclusive, live and let live, Dharmic approach. Like we always do.

So when the Covid black swan swoops overhead, China will face a significant back lash and unraveling. Those intimidated and coerced will turn against it. If it were India we would have suffered economic set backs but wouldn't have lost any friends. Their's is a 'taking' civilisation, ours is a 'giving' civilisation.


Taleb disagrees with you.
Nassim Taleb Says Coronavirus Pandemic is Not a 'Black Swan'


True, but that is more of a technicality here as Taleb's point was that it should have been predicted as the signs were there and people who were not corrupt/delusional or bought out by the CCP would have seen it coming.

None of that negates the other points on the potential effects of COVID that amar_p predicted.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby uskumar » 12 Apr 2020 19:29

China making it's first move in India post corona.
HDFC China Stake: China's central bank buys 1% stake in HDFC

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby madhu » 12 Apr 2020 20:07

uskumar wrote:China making it's first move in India post corona.
HDFC China Stake: China's central bank buys 1% stake in HDFC

Cant we stop this?

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby RamSuresh » 13 Apr 2020 00:57

Substantial change in ownership of HDFC (as housing finance company) needs prior approval from regulator (National Housing Bank). So there are already controls. There are also limits on how much a single shareholder can own in a bank. So that is also in control already. Silent takeovers may be happening in private equity , especially fintech companies. That is more of a concern

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby chanakyaa » 13 Apr 2020 07:28

ramana wrote:...
Now, in a divided country, efficient and farsighted government is necessary to overcome obstacles unprecedented in magnitude and global scope. Sustaining the public trust is crucial to social solidarity, to the relation of societies with each other, and to international peace and stability.
Nations cohere and flourish on the belief that their institutions can foresee calamity, arrest its impact and restore stability. When the Covid-19 pandemic is over, many countries’ institutions will be perceived as having failed...The reality is the world will never be the same after the coronavirus. To argue now about the past only makes it harder to do what has to be done.
The coronavirus has struck with unprecedented scale and ferocity. Its spread is exponential: U.S. cases are doubling every fifth day. At this writing, there is no cure. Medical supplies are insufficient to cope with the widening waves of cases. Intensive-care units are on the verge, and beyond, of being overwhelmed. Testing is inadequate to the task of identifying the extent of infection, much less reversing its spread. A successful vaccine could be 12 to 18 months away.

The U.S. administration has done a solid job in avoiding immediate catastrophe. The ultimate test will be whether the virus’s spread can be arrested and then reversed in a manner and at a scale that maintains public confidence in Americans’ ability to govern themselves. The crisis effort, however vast and necessary, must not crowd out the urgent task of launching a parallel enterprise for the transition to the post-coronavirus order.

Leaders are dealing with the crisis on a largely national basis, but the virus’s society-dissolving effects do not recognize borders. While the assault on human health will—hopefully—be temporary, the political and economic upheaval it has unleashed could last for generations. No country, not even the U.S., can in a purely national effort overcome the virus. Addressing the necessities of the moment must ultimately be coupled with a global collaborative vision and program. If we cannot do both in tandem, we will face the worst of each.

Drawing lessons from the development of the Marshall Plan and the Manhattan Project, the U.S. is obliged to undertake a major effort in three domains. First, shore up global resilience to infectious disease. Triumphs of medical science like the polio vaccine and the eradication of smallpox, or the emerging statistical-technical marvel of medical diagnosis through artificial intelligence, have lulled us into a dangerous complacency. We need to develop new techniques and technologies for infection control and commensurate vaccines across large populations. Cities, states and regions must consistently prepare to protect their people from pandemics through stockpiling, cooperative planning and exploration at the frontiers of science.

Second, strive to heal the wounds to the world economy. Global leaders have learned important lessons from the 2008 financial crisis. The current economic crisis is more complex: The contraction unleashed by the coronavirus is, in its speed and global scale, unlike anything ever known in history. And necessary public-health measures such as social distancing and closing schools and businesses are contributing to the economic pain. Programs should also seek to ameliorate the effects of impending chaos on the world’s most vulnerable populations.
Third, safeguard the principles of the liberal world order.

The founding legend of modern government is a walled city protected by powerful rulers, sometimes despotic, other times benevolent, yet always strong enough to protect the people from an external enemy. Enlightenment thinkers reframed this concept, arguing that the purpose of the legitimate state is to provide for the fundamental needs of the people: security, order, economic well-being, and justice. Individuals cannot secure these things on their own. The pandemic has prompted an anachronism, a revival of the walled city in an age when prosperity depends on global trade and movement of people.

The world’s democracies need to defend and sustain their Enlightenment values. A global retreat from balancing power with legitimacy will cause the social contract to disintegrate both domestically and internationally. Yet this millennial issue of legitimacy and power cannot be settled simultaneously with the effort to overcome the Covid-19 plague. Restraint is necessary on all sides—in both domestic politics and international diplomacy. Priorities must be established.

We went on from the Battle of the Bulge into a world of growing prosperity and enhanced human dignity. Now, we live an epochal period. The historic challenge for leaders is to manage the crisis while building the future. Failure could set the world on fire.


The article came across as an advisory warning to the policy makers, who seem to be convinced that HK’s policy objectives vis-a-vis China have not realized. And, all the favors extended to China over the past 3 decades (manufacturing txfr, tech know-how etc. etc.) combined with state-owned capitalism championed (or at least functioning) by Chinese has turned the country into a Frankenstein of sorts. Uncle’s worst nightmare, however small odds originally envisioned, seems to be coming true, at least to those who are proposing new course.

In terms of political governance, Uncle+ generally prefers countries to adopt democracies, because such democracies can be easily manipulated (e.g. interferences in EU, SK, Japan etc.). Furthermore, such interferences can be used to change regimes if the leadership becomes too strong to challenge post-WW order. All this cr@p about “world’s democracies need to defend and sustain their Enlightenment values”, is a coded language to maintain/sustain post-WW order. Seems like the the political reforms in China have not realized to the level of original expectations, and the appointment of Eleven as emperor for life may have been the final nail in the coffin. China has used manufacturing, IP, and high-tech know-how to present a formidable challenge to Uncle+, which if left unchecked, could create existential crisis for Uncle+. Thus, the need for New Course to nip the rebellion in the bud.

Personally, the cynic in me, do not believe that the downside to HK’s overtures were as small as they are made out to be in the articles on various think tanks. Those who professed liberalization trade and investment to China, very well knew, what could ensue in China when pillars of prosperity are suddenly removed. Potential outcome would be massive (e.g. unrest in population) leading to a break up (perhaps a desired outcome of right-sizing) similar to that of Soviet Union. Question is how? Kovid-nineteen is simply means to an end. Other than that the walled-city analogy and facilitation of “global trade and movement of people” makes sense because that is how prosperity transfers from the weaker to the stronger nation.

If NATO was created "to keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down", perhaps a new treaty would form "to keep the Chinese out, the Russians down, and Rest of the World In"

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby amar_p » 13 Apr 2020 13:58

Right Bart S, the emergence of the virus is not the black swan event in itself. We had others like SARS in the past and various flu virus mutations happen all the time. The black swan characteristic I'm alluding to is its contagiousness and the speed with which it spread across the globe. I'm not including lethality since we really don't know how many are really infected since we can't test everyone, and therefore the denominator cannot be known, perhaps ever.

Even 9/11 pales in comparison despite the surprise effect it had since it was a singular, localised event. CV has made half the world's population stay home, disrupted global supply chains, overwhelmed health care across continents, tanked markets, heck even crippled crippled air craft carriers, one shivers at the idea of infection aboard a submarine.

The chain reaction of events unfolded in size and scale with unmatched unpredictability - thats the black swan event for me for which no one could have prepared for.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Mollick.R » 13 Apr 2020 18:34

From Twitter
Report by Palki Sharma of WION. See the video

China with Forex reserves > $3 Tn (> India's GDP) is apparantly flooding Chinese Cos. with cheap capital to buy foreign assets. Case in point - HDFC.Fearing hostile takeover, Australia changed their FDI laws. Spain, Italy, Germany doing the same.
Watch!



https://twitter.com/abhymurarka/status/1249204452696961032

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby chanakyaa » 13 Apr 2020 18:53

Lohit wrote:...
I think you should def post that memo to IK Niazi - he would be delighted to know his $100 Bn debt is actually a figment of imagination since Mr. Bretton Wood is dead.

Per your request, I sent the memo to IK Niazi. Looks like he took the bait.

PM Imran asks world for debt relief in war on Covid-19 (Hot off the press)
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan has again appealed to the leaders of rich countries, the UN secretary general and heads of financial institutions to give debt relief to developing countries like Pakistan so that they could combat the deadly Covid-19 in a better way.
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“This is the issue with most countries of the developing world suffering from a very high debt to the GDP ratio, so the problem in these highly indebted countries is that they now face lack of fiscal space,” Mr Khan said
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Hope you take my post with some smile :D. I'm teasing with you. To be fair, Bakis will not let go of any opportunity to ask bheekh and do equal-equal with its superior neighbor at the end of the article. This is the continuation of last 50 years of bhookha/nanga strategy. They may be partially successful, but there may not be huge appetite for massive relief. Broadly speaking, debt driven stress will cause lot of havoc in many countries post Coronavirus world. Some interesting times ahead.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Philip » 13 Apr 2020 19:37

India should ban any Chinese investment in India,plus sale of shares to any foreign entity that has substantial Chinese funding.No back door buying of Indian cos., Once the crisis is over, a booting out of the Chinese from India,severing of dpl.relations with it and recognition of Taiwan.

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Postby vijayk » 13 Apr 2020 20:05

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Postby chola » 13 Apr 2020 22:03

Cheen will eventually get their just punishment. But just don't hold your breath for that to happen in the next several years at least.

And there will always be nations that will cut their own backdoor deals with Cheen.

We cut off cheap chini API from our pharma but what is there to stop another nation to use the chini pipeline and get cheaper components for their own.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-building-own-ppe-supply-chain-in-china-1.5530259

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When Cargojet flight 1392 touched down in Hamilton on Saturday it brought with it millions of badly needed N95 respirator masks to help in the fight against COVID-19.

The Boeing 767 was the third delivery of critical supplies arriving under a made-for-Canada plan set up with the help of diplomats and consultants in China, a warehouse in Shanghai, and two of Canada's airlines.

The plan was born out of urgency. With the global market for medical supplies overwhelmed by chaos and acts of piracy, Canada needed to take some of the risk out of securing everything from badly needed medical masks to gowns to gloves.
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Canada is using Cheen industrial resources to build only for Canada.

With a world that is balkanizing, Cheen can still sell its mercenary industrial capacity to nations who now walled off elsewhere.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Lohit » 14 Apr 2020 02:35

chanakyaa wrote:
Hope you take my post with some smile :D.


Indeed :)

Seeing a lot of meltdowns on Pak teetar. Seems days of eating grass are coming.

I was predicting a sovereign debt crisis by late July. The way things are going, June seems quite possible.

I also see in incredible centrifugal forces between federal and Sindh govt. To say nothing of Balochistan. Hope MAD dont lose this once in a 1000 year opportunity, the nakshatras have aligned.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Leonard » 14 Apr 2020 04:37

Meanwhile the "Chinese Virus " is causing -- demand for Lot's of Pepto-Bismol in Beijing and all over ..

The Sheer despair can be seen below ..

Wisconsin ..
https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2020/04/1 ... mendation/

Germany:
https://dailysabah.com/world/china-trie ... eport/news

Sri Lanka -- Chinese Embassy Twitter account got suspended ..

https://colombogazette.com/2020/04/13/c ... suspended/

Please TWEET/INSTAGRAM it everywhere ..

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Suresh S » 14 Apr 2020 07:14

I am counting days when this will be over or reduced in intensity. It is easy for key board warriors to type away and pontificate but I can tell you every time u approach the hospital your heart starts pounding u do not want to enter but u have have no choice. operating is even worse, u must do but a slight error or not even an error may get u. I have not seen anything like this. operating and taking care of HIV and hepatitis C patients is /was difficult and risky but u know how u can get infected , only by a needle stick. So u take precautions but this is different anything can get u. A door knob, any hosp surface even the air in the hosp that u must breath. This is crazy and I and most others blame China and the chinese govt. What is coming China,s way is going to be something very very nasty that no one has anticipated just like this virus and it is not going to be pretty and they deserve every bit of it..

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby suryag » 14 Apr 2020 07:50

Suresh sir pranaams to you and countless doctors/nurses and medical staff, you folks are kicking butt, humble request do whatever mental exercise/yoga possible to keep your sanity and think of every day as a new day. All of us want this to end soon and our prayers are with you.

BTW, everyone on TV is saying that NY and California are slowing down, what i dont see is reduction in number of deaths or new cases. Damn it even after 3 weeks of shelter in place am not sure how we are having new cases at this rate.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby SriKumar » 14 Apr 2020 08:01

^^^ New YOrk city seems to be on the mend. I am following 'New Cases' only, and not deaths. New cases, IMHO, is the first and best indicator of improvement (and not # of deaths). # of deaths is more complex- pre-exisiting conditions etc can skew results. And if new cases drop, deaths will drop by defintion. NYC new cases was around 9000 to 11000 from 10 days ago to about 4 days ago. For the first time, about 4 days ago it came to around 8000 for the past 3 days. Yesterday it was 6200. I think this is good news. It should get better from now on because New Yorkers started taking this seriously only about 10 days ago, and since then, they must have become Nazi about following precautions watching the hospitals unable to handle the rush.

Since this is a post-Wuhan virus world thread (And not the regular Wuhan Virus thread) I gotta say something about that to keep it on topic: I hope to see Dalai Lama back in Potala Palace in Lhasa. And there is something to be said about dharma. Those who would have not traded with China on dharmic principles would have suffered the least from this virus (those who traded the most, suffered the most). But the dharma chakra cycle takes such a long time.... 7 decades since the communist party came on? Dharma be too slow.
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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby uddu » 14 Apr 2020 08:07

The Biggest Mistake of CCP was to take Panga with Indians. Their open support to Jihadis and Terroristan and even their support for these lot at the U.N was seen with anger at that time. That Ended the Hindi-Chini Bhai bhai among Indians and when Corona struck there is nothing holding Indians from unleashing their anger. And their Beloved friends Terroristanis don't have any friends or worth anywhere in the world. So all the image makeover of decades went down the drain in few months..They will lose a lot more.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby sudarshan » 14 Apr 2020 09:06

SriKumar wrote:^^^ New YOrk city seems to be on the mend. I am following 'New Cases' only, and not deaths. New cases, IMHO, is the first and best indicator of improvement (and not # of deaths). # of deaths is more complex- pre-exisiting conditions etc can skew results. And if new cases drop, deaths will drop by defintion. NYC new cases was around 9000 to 11000 from 10 days ago to about 4 days ago. For the first time, about 4 days ago it came to around 8000 for the past 3 days. Yesterday it was 6200. I think this is good news. It should get better from now on because New Yorkers started taking this seriously only about 10 days ago, and since then, they must have become Nazi about following precautions watching the hospitals unable to handle the rush.


Not following NYC separately, but US-wide, new case count is now stable (linear growth), maybe trending down. Deaths are definitely trending down. The 93,000 estimated US deaths figure is most probably going to be an overestimate. By how much - maybe even by a factor of 2 (currently overestimating by ~15%, widening by the day). Actual death rates are now falling far short of the daily rates from that prediction, hope it stays that way. My guess is that they estimated their "beta" parameter ten days too late. I talked about this in the other thread.

The effects of the lockdown are also fully accounted for in that prediction, per the authors themselves, so it shouldn't be attributed to that.

EDIT: I noticed that the authors are updating their own predictions, probably daily, based on fresh data. From 93,000, they currently estimate 68,000 as their mean line. The real number will fall short of even that, is my guess. Because, in accounting for the new data, their error lines have gone really wide on the daily death predictions, and their daily numbers for the next couple of days are still way higher than the actual (and declining) numbers over the past three days.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby yensoy » 14 Apr 2020 09:51

Leonard wrote:Sri Lanka -- Chinese Embassy Twitter account got suspended ..
https://colombogazette.com/2020/04/13/c ... suspended/
Please TWEET/INSTAGRAM it everywhere ..
“This is double standards. There is so-called freedom of media, but on the other hand, they suspend and lock any account that is not on their agenda,” a Chinese Embassy spokesperson said.


"Double standards" my Chinese friends, is to use a social medium platform which is banned in your home country to spread your propaganda, and then complain about it when they block you.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby vishvak » 14 Apr 2020 13:09

Chinese and Pakis are both shamelessly and won't care a shyt. The Chinese ignored a spread of biological WMD while showing off. How are Pakis and Chinese going to be any better with their jihadi/exclusive behaviour that we are facing that's no one can definitely tell which is the problem and people will just got to move around the problem.

The PIOs who want to come to India will be in bad situation IF they catch China virus because the required facilities will be mobbed by those who break rules here and get infection due to that. Usually it is every common Indian who would be blamed for such a thing except this time the leadership is careful and also because of social media.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby Gyan » 14 Apr 2020 13:35

China pays massive amount of direct & indirect bribes, to get target nations to make policies in its favor. Mark my words, no major action will be taken against China post Covid pandemic

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby amar_p » 14 Apr 2020 15:50

Suresh S sir, you and your colleagues are our first line of defense, the entire country is indebted to you.

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby vijayk » 14 Apr 2020 20:22

Gyan wrote:China pays massive amount of direct & indirect bribes, to get target nations to make policies in its favor. Mark my words, no major action will be taken against China post Covid pandemic



when this is all over, they can hire lobbyist firms in DC of both parties and some media scums in NY, they will be all fine ... :evil:

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby vijayk » 14 Apr 2020 20:33

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Re: Post Wuhan-Virus(Covid19) World and India

Postby chola » 14 Apr 2020 21:22

vijayk wrote:Image


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