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Postby vijayk » 13 Feb 2021 00:11

darshan wrote:Sleazy also funds soft core artist rihanna.

Jay-Z and Jack Dorsey have partnered on a new bitcoin endowment and are now looking for board members
https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter ... ent-2021-2
Twitter and Square CEO Jack Dorsey on Thursday announced a partnership with Jay-Z to start a bitcoin endowment, which will be focused on developing the cryptocurrency in India and Africa.
....


Well ... this is what happens when we leave the field wide open.

I know Reliance coined JIO coin but went no where. None of our IT folks bothered. Now the Jackal is opening another front.

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Postby darshan » 13 Feb 2021 00:15

GoI should be keeping close watch on anything and everything related to BLM charade. Tons of entities had diverted funds to engineer social justice events in support of BLM.

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Postby Cyrano » 13 Feb 2021 01:29

bharathp wrote:
vera_k wrote:Twitter vs India

that logic applies backwards too. twitter cannot delete/deplatform folks without a court order.


Err not exactly.

Twitter seems to say, just because the order comes from a democratically elected govt, it doesn't automatically mean such demand is as per that country's laws. They are right there. Imagine for ex, say an Imran Khan govt orders closing down of all Ahmediya's accounts. Or if it were Manmohan Singh era, and the govt orders pro-Hindu account shutdown. Should Twitter automatically comply ?

OTOH a court order is equal to law because well, who can challenge the interpreter of law itself or the jurisprudence such court orders would create? They would be binding by default. So to that extent they are right. However, walking that talk is a wholly different matter.

The funny part starts here: If Twitter opines that a Govt order is not as per the country's laws (based on what doesn't matter, its internal guidelines are equal to toilet paper as far as Govts or courts are concerned), and decides not to comply 100%, it will be opening itself up to penalties, fines, jail time for officers, or being stopped from doing business altogether, or whatever a Govt decides to do. Twitter can of course challenge such orders in court and get a stay order, like any business, until then it has to comply.

If a Govt wants to go after twitter they can just issue a bunch of orders against it forcing it to either A. Fight numerous legal battles B. Shut shop since business is unviable in such conditions or C. Comply.

Depending on how Twitter or any other SM platform see their business in a country (at a point of time and future potential), they will take the suitable option. For ex, they may take option A. in the US, B. in Pakistan/China C. in India.

No matter how many "guardians of free speech" crowns they bestow upon themselves, SM platforms are BUSINESSES FOR PROFIT like every other company and as such don't deserve special dispensations. They have also consistently refused to be categorised as "PUBLISHERS" since that would make them liable for what they (or any user may) publish on their platform. They pretend to be some heaven sent gift to mankind because they know they can quickly spread information (right or wrong) and swing public opinion very fast. But that capacity doesn't confer on them any moral authority. Wont be such a big loss to humanity if they (all) fold.

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Postby chetak » 13 Feb 2021 17:12

Cyrano wrote:
bharathp wrote:that logic applies backwards too. twitter cannot delete/deplatform folks without a court order.


Err not exactly.

Twitter seems to say, just because the order comes from a democratically elected govt, it doesn't automatically mean such demand is as per that country's laws. They are right there. Imagine for ex, say an Imran Khan govt orders closing down of all Ahmediya's accounts. Or if it were Manmohan Singh era, and the govt orders pro-Hindu account shutdown. Should Twitter automatically comply ?

OTOH a court order is equal to law because well, who can challenge the interpreter of law itself or the jurisprudence such court orders would create? They would be binding by default. So to that extent they are right. However, walking that talk is a wholly different matter.

The funny part starts here: If Twitter opines that a Govt order is not as per the country's laws (based on what doesn't matter, its internal guidelines are equal to toilet paper as far as Govts or courts are concerned), and decides not to comply 100%, it will be opening itself up to penalties, fines, jail time for officers, or being stopped from doing business altogether, or whatever a Govt decides to do. Twitter can of course challenge such orders in court and get a stay order, like any business, until then it has to comply.

If a Govt wants to go after twitter they can just issue a bunch of orders against it forcing it to either A. Fight numerous legal battles B. Shut shop since business is unviable in such conditions or C. Comply.

Depending on how Twitter or any other SM platform see their business in a country (at a point of time and future potential), they will take the suitable option. For ex, they may take option A. in the US, B. in Pakistan/China C. in India.

No matter how many "guardians of free speech" crowns they bestow upon themselves, SM platforms are BUSINESSES FOR PROFIT like every other company and as such don't deserve special dispensations. They have also consistently refused to be categorised as "PUBLISHERS" since that would make them liable for what they (or any user may) publish on their platform. They pretend to be some heaven sent gift to mankind because they know they can quickly spread information (right or wrong) and swing public opinion very fast. But that capacity doesn't confer on them any moral authority. Wont be such a big loss to humanity if they (all) fold.


The elected govt gives the orders and twitter complies, period. Matters like law, public order and/or national security are trumps in this business and each elected govt plays the game in its own way.

twitter cannot foment strife or direct the direction of discourse or encourage revolution in the name of some woke imported leftist shyte that confirms to some evil concept of americanized, secularized and liberalized "free" speech.

Foolishly, we once allowed the britshits to run amok with a very similar and equally malevolent concept and macaulization was the result and see where it has got us today.

twitter is merely a service provider and it entered India as such, meaning it simply does not have a seat at any high table in India. Gradually it has appropriated for itself editorial powers and positioned itself as an arbiter and opinion maker by the use of selective banning, deplatforming and blue tick distinction to forcibly insert itself into the defining, making, shaping and the driving of woke political ideologies trying once again to bring about macaulization, only this time, it's the ameriki version.

or, alternatively, jack on crack takes his bat and ball and goes back home

if twitter has any doubts, it can urgently take it up with the Indian courts.

It cannot delay, obfuscate, second guess in any way, or otherwise deny the implementation of the govt's orders on some woke pretexts based on some inappropriate ameriki "amendments" on "free speech"

the guys who are banned on the govt's orders can always seek redress from the Indian courts, if they were so inclined.

twitter is now trying to appropriate to itself, what it thinks that the Indian courts ought to be doing in such cases.

It very conveniently or even arrogantly forgets that it has no de jure or de facto powers in the sovereign republic of India and it is, at the end of day, just another grubby profit making commercial enterprise incorporated in the US and it is presuming to talk down to a third world, non white, pagan and a native govt that it imagines is less evolved than the ones jack on crack is normally used to dealing with.

we need to realize as well as understand that twitter, facebook et al are the new and venomously malignant versions of the east India company. They are the
omnipresent digital versions insidiously adapted for smooth cross border access without too obviously ruffling cultural feathers, and so, decolonization is the need of the hour.

The talk in the US of breaking up large companies like google, twitter, facebook is just like what the crown did to the east India company when they took it over completely. Smaller companies simply cannot afford to annoy the governments and hope to get away with it.

Trump's ill advised and illegal deplatforming is a desperate attempt to head off this surely coming breakup of such powerful monopolies by placating the biden regime.

the chinese got it right when they banned all such attempts to infiltrate their rigidly controlled media space and have thus minimized the socio sensitive assault on their national ecosystem, and rightly or wrongly, instead of informed regulation they went all out to ban external influences.

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Postby darshan » 13 Feb 2021 20:26

These are nothing but deployed weapons. Learn to deal enemies a blow instead of thinking about how they should be allowed to exploit your broken law system. During 26/11, many claimed to not have this and that court orders to get away with perfidious behavior. In this case, twitter is encouraging judiciary to overstep and assert itself. Internal law and order doesn't apply to enemies. Else, there's always few more centuries to be slaves. India needs new laws to deal with new age colonial weapons.

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Postby chetak » 13 Feb 2021 20:29

darshan wrote:These are nothing but deployed weapons. Learn to deal enemies a blow instead of thinking about how they should be allowed to exploit your broken law system. During 26/11, many claimed to not have this and that court orders to get away with perfidious behavior. In this case, twitter is encouraging judiciary to overstep and assert itself. Internal law and order doesn't apply to enemies. Else, there's always few more centuries to be slaves. India needs new laws to deal with new age colonial weapons.


activism = = payment.

always and every time.

no exceptions ever

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Postby kit » 13 Feb 2021 21:46

Do we really need Twitter and Facebook in India ? Just kick them out ., say tax evasion and non compliance of privacy., at least one of them needs to be shown the door

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Postby chetak » 13 Feb 2021 21:48

kit wrote:Do we really need Twitter and Facebook in India ? Just kick them out ., say tax evasion and non compliance of privacy


why say anything at all.

they have overstayed their welcome, anyway :mrgreen:

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Postby darshan » 13 Feb 2021 21:50

I'm sure that if they went in with fine comb, then they will find various illegal fundings like YouTube being used to fund activities through ad money.

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Postby Suraj » 13 Feb 2021 23:35

Koo has become really good within the past few days.

Less than a week ago, the OTP from the app on phone was flaky. The website was unusable. The search didn't work.

A couple of days ago, the website was still unusable. The app was ok at times, but often slow due to servers probably being overwhelmed. Search got better.

Now both app and website work fine. Search is fine. A few things could improve, but the pace of improvement so far is astonishingly good, and far beyond expectations. Good job to everyone involved. Build up enough critical mass and proceed to gut Twitter's user count in India.

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Brands may pull back from advertising on Twitter amid company's face-off with government


Synopsis
"Brands will have to be very careful now and they will hedge their bets. Companies move away from advertising on the platforms which are under threat,” said brand strategy expert Harish Bijoor. “For every Twitter, there is a Koo waiting in the wings. For the new apps, it is a big opportunity, though they will take some time and traction for the ability to perform with an equal degree of seamlessness as Twitter."




Feb 11, 2021

NEW DELHI | MUMBAI: Brands are sitting on the fence watching how the Twitter-government face-off plays out, but some may pull back ads from the platform in the coming days fearing backlash amid sustained pressure on it to take down provocative posts and accounts, brand experts and advertisers said.

Fact checkers said Twitter has scored a “self-goal” of sorts in the stand-off with the government, which has accused the platform of helping spread fake news and objectionable content.

"Brands will have to be very careful now and they will hedge their bets. Companies move away from advertising on the platforms which are under threat,” said brand strategy expert Harish Bijoor. “For every Twitter, there is a Koo waiting in the wings. For the new apps, it is a big opportunity, though they will take some time and traction for the ability to perform with an equal degree of seamlessness as Twitter."

Shantanu Sirohi, chief operating officer of Interactive Avenues, an IPG Mediabrands company, said because of the sensitive and political nature of the controversy, brands are going to pull back and watch from the sidelines in the short term to midterm. “However, I don't think agencies will find it difficult to reallocate the budgets,” he added.

Twitter this week topped analyst estimates by reporting a 28% jump in global revenue at $1.29 billion for the fourth quarter ended December, capitalising on strong digital advertising in the US. In India, however, it is yet to make a dent in the ad space.

As per industry estimates, Twitter’s share is estimated to be less than 5% in India’s digital advertising market, which is pegged at over Rs 18,000 crore. Google and Facebook corner around 75% of the spends.

Anand Bhadkamkar, CEO at Dentsu India said while Twitter's advertising share in India is still quite small, it is an “integral” part of most digital campaigns. "But I don't see the current controversy having any major impact on the platform," he said.

Hashtags such as “Ban Twitter”, “Twitter Hypocrisy”, “Koo App”, “Ban Twitter India” and “BJP Govt Dictating Twitter” had been trending on the platform since Wednesday and had amassed lakhs of posts.

Twitter declined to comment.

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Postby rajkumar » 14 Feb 2021 01:09

Suraj wrote:Koo has become really good within the past few days.

Less than a week ago, the OTP from the app on phone was flaky. The website was unusable. The search didn't work.

A couple of days ago, the website was still unusable. The app was ok at times, but often slow due to servers probably being overwhelmed. Search got better.

Now both app and website work fine. Search is fine. A few things could improve, but the pace of improvement so far is astonishingly good, and far beyond expectations. Good job to everyone involved. Build up enough critical mass and proceed to gut Twitter's user count in India.


I am having to register each time i.e. receive OTP each time both on the app and the web site. Anyone else facing this issue?

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Postby Avtar Singh » 14 Feb 2021 03:10

Any Indian systems should turn the table on these american companies.
This is where the chinese/closed/censored system is a disability.

India allowing free speech under its own constitution and laws is a great opportunity for these
Indian companies to take SillyCons valley business away from it..
Also most citizens of western countries also hate these people and are looking for a fair
alternative.

Like vaccine diplomacy you could call it social media diplomacy.

Can you imagine the look on their faces if foreign government/leaders moved away from
twitter/farcebook and started using Indian apps

Imagine the look on the CCP faces!!

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Postby fanne » 14 Feb 2021 04:25

Indian sm plateform can support conservatives through out the world and garner 50% of the market

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Postby darshan » 14 Feb 2021 04:48

Not conservatives but people who really believe in freedom and not be controlled by activists' notion of what's right and wrong.

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Postby vijayk » 14 Feb 2021 06:13

rajkumar wrote:
Suraj wrote:Koo has become really good within the past few days.

Less than a week ago, the OTP from the app on phone was flaky. The website was unusable. The search didn't work.

A couple of days ago, the website was still unusable. The app was ok at times, but often slow due to servers probably being overwhelmed. Search got better.

Now both app and website work fine. Search is fine. A few things could improve, but the pace of improvement so far is astonishingly good, and far beyond expectations. Good job to everyone involved. Build up enough critical mass and proceed to gut Twitter's user count in India.


I am having to register each time i.e. receive OTP each time both on the app and the web site. Anyone else facing this issue?


Yes. I get OTP every other day.

But it has become pretty stable

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Postby anupmisra » 14 Feb 2021 06:21

bharathp wrote:twitter cannot delete/deplatform folks without a court order.


Load of bull if that's Twitter's official position. How does Twitter "justify" this act of purging accounts without a court order:

Twitter purged more than 70,000 accounts affiliated with QAnon following Capitol riot

Twitter said late Monday it purged more than 70,000 accounts affiliated with conspiracy theory QAnon following the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol last week.
Twitter said in a blog post that it removed the accounts “to protect the conversation on our service from attempts to incite violence, organize attacks, and share deliberately misleading information about the election outcome.” The company said it began suspending the accounts on Friday afternoon, citing an increased risk of harm between online speech and real-world events.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... itter-ban/

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Postby vimal » 14 Feb 2021 07:02

fanne wrote:Indian sm plateform can support conservatives through out the world and garner 50% of the market

Please stop using words like conservative/liberal , left/right etc. They don’t make sense in India’s context.

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Postby bharathp » 14 Feb 2021 10:44

vimal wrote:
fanne wrote:Indian sm plateform can support conservatives through out the world and garner 50% of the market

Please stop using words like conservative/liberal , left/right etc. They don’t make sense in India’s context.


As much as i dont want to associate with left or right wing, indian SM as well as Hinduism can be the bastion of all people who dont conform to abrahamic white wash or the woke crowds conrolled SM platforms. it would be the perfect antidote.

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Postby m_saini » 14 Feb 2021 11:14

I think the dreams of being bastion for anything foreign are really farfetched. For now, Indian SM and Hinduism are must better served concentrating on being a bastion for indians and hindus. We are the ones that need help the most, everyone else can get in line.

American right hates the brown people as much as they hate the woke left. Let's not be deluded.

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Postby bharathp » 14 Feb 2021 12:29

anupmisra wrote:
bharathp wrote:twitter cannot delete/deplatform folks without a court order.


Load of bull if that's Twitter's official position. How does Twitter "justify" this act of purging accounts without a court order:


thats not official position of twitter, but twitter did say it wont delete accounts unless there is a court order. i reversed it and said, in that case, twitter shouldnt remove accounts if its not based on a court order.

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Postby bharathp » 14 Feb 2021 12:31

m_saini wrote:I think the dreams of being bastion for anything foreign are really farfetched. For now, Indian SM and Hinduism are must better served concentrating on being a bastion for indians and hindus. We are the ones that need help the most, everyone else can get in line.

American right hates the brown people as much as they hate the woke left. Let's not be deluded.


as much as hindus need to "help" themselves, there is chankian neeti in using the left's ideology to beat it. also, this is not to protect american right. far from it. use FoE, protecting the diversity and affirmative action to show that all non abrahamics are the oppressed/minorities. use that to put pressure on every abrahamic country.

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Postby m_saini » 14 Feb 2021 13:02

bharathp wrote:as much as hindus need to "help" themselves, there is chankian neeti in using the left's ideology to beat it. also, this is not to protect american right. far from it. use FoE, protecting the diversity and affirmative action to show that all non abrahamics are the oppressed/minorities. use that to put pressure on every abrahamic country.


This might work but I have my suspicions. Right wing from influential countries like US, UK, Germany etc(who are all bible-thumpers) aren't going to rally against abrahamic faiths just because they hate woke left. So imho, it's doesn't make much sense to plan in that direction.

Left ideology works because it's a race to the bottom(one is more oppressed than the other), each downward step is hailed and so there are many suitors. Right wing is a race to the top and each upward step has everyone else trying to pull you down. This is why there can never be a unified right like there is a unified left. Koch brothers aren't going to spend money to prop up indian "right" but soros would happily spend millions to support indian commies.

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Postby AshishA » 14 Feb 2021 13:09

When I was about to share a youtube video, I noticed that the amount of social media websites that I hadn't heard of. Like there is the Korean one, Japanese one, Russian one, and lastly French one too. I think we are very late in this indigenous internet companies field. Despite having tremendous potential, we gave everything to those foreign big companies and it shunted the growth of our indigenous tech. I have noticed that Japanese, Korean and Russians use the technology developed by their companies often. They straight up refuse to give any space to foreign companies. Like in South Korea, you won't find a Chinese phone. Almost everyone uses Samsung. In Japan, in place of Whatsapp, Line is used. And they are used voluntarily without any encouragement from the govt.

I am reminded about a story about Japanese students using bad pencils and not using English made high quality ones. And on being asked why they replied the following.
If we ourselves do not purchase & use our own product, then who else will do it. We don't deny we cannot withstand the quality test today, but there will soon definitely be a day, when the whole world will use our Japanese pencils.

The success of koo and mapmyindia will depend on our willingness to use it despite it's flaws

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Postby chetak » 14 Feb 2021 17:51

this is how dhruv tatee got doxxed some time back :mrgreen:


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Postby vijayk » 14 Feb 2021 20:04

kooapp has really scaled up. Telugu site is looking good too

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Postby Suraj » 14 Feb 2021 22:21

rajkumar wrote:I am having to register each time i.e. receive OTP each time both on the app and the web site. Anyone else facing this issue?

On the computer, yes the site loses its authentication information after a few hours and I need another OTP. But on the phone app, it's been stable day on day. At certain times of day, the servers slow, but otherwise, everything works. Multiple-language posting works fine too.

Piyush Goyal's account is posting Railways updates there now, as is the Law Ministry, as well as MEITY. Now I'm waiting for Gadkari, FinMin and PMO to set shop there.

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Postby Cyrano » 15 Feb 2021 00:20

Signal similarly asks me to re-authenticate with a NIP passwd very frequently. Not sure why such repeated authentications are needed.

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Postby darshan » 15 Feb 2021 00:24

Privacy and security. If not intentional for Koo, then it's a bug or infrastructure issue.

I'll have it reset the secure connections for security.

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Postby mukkan » 15 Feb 2021 01:14

I hope Koo succeeds. It needs big whales like celebrities to move and exclusively post some of the major updates only in Koo. Long term it needs to add more features than just being clone of Twitter.
Lot of people installed signal in January and adoption may have plateaued now. It has become a ghost town after the initial trial phase.

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Postby Suraj » 15 Feb 2021 03:11

Koo has PMModiIndia active now.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 15 Feb 2021 06:15

vijayk wrote:
darshan wrote:Sleazy also funds soft core artist rihanna.



Well ... this is what happens when we leave the field wide open.

I know Reliance coined JIO coin but went no where. None of our IT folks bothered. Now the Jackal is opening another front.


BitCoin is a huge energy hog. It is also next-level hawala, with genuine untraceability, for funding terrorism and anti-Indian activities. And financial anarchy in general, which only benefits the rich.

Instead of blindly jumping on the bitcoin bandwagon, India should be leading the charge to educate the world about its downsides.

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Postby mukkan » 15 Feb 2021 08:51

Short term focus for India should be to do catchup and build alternatives for all foreign consumer tech from apps to cloud. To become a strategic asset against foreign colonization, it will need help from government as otherwise Indians won't switch.

AshishA wrote: Despite having tremendous potential, we gave everything to those foreign big companies and it shunted the growth of our indigenous tech. I have noticed that Japanese, Korean and Russians use the technology developed by their companies often. They straight up refuse to give any space to foreign companies. Like in South Korea, you won't find a Chinese phone. Almost everyone uses Samsung. In Japan, in place of Whatsapp, Line is used. And they are used voluntarily without any encouragement from the govt.

I am reminded about a story about Japanese students using bad pencils and not using English made high quality ones. And on being asked why they replied the following.
If we ourselves do not purchase & use our own product, then who else will do it. We don't deny we cannot withstand the quality test today, but there will soon definitely be a day, when the whole world will use our Japanese pencils.

The success of koo and mapmyindia will depend on our willingness to use it despite it's flaws

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Postby chetak » 15 Feb 2021 18:16

vijayk wrote:kooapp has really scaled up. Telugu site is looking good too




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Postby Primus » 15 Feb 2021 20:51

AshishA wrote:When I was about to share a youtube video, I noticed that the amount of social media websites that I hadn't heard of. Like there is the Korean one, Japanese one, Russian one, and lastly French one too. I think we are very late in this indigenous internet companies field. Despite having tremendous potential, we gave everything to those foreign big companies and it shunted the growth of our indigenous tech. I have noticed that Japanese, Korean and Russians use the technology developed by their companies often. They straight up refuse to give any space to foreign companies. Like in South Korea, you won't find a Chinese phone. Almost everyone uses Samsung. In Japan, in place of Whatsapp, Line is used. And they are used voluntarily without any encouragement from the govt.

I am reminded about a story about Japanese students using bad pencils and not using English made high quality ones. And on being asked why they replied the following.
If we ourselves do not purchase & use our own product, then who else will do it. We don't deny we cannot withstand the quality test today, but there will soon definitely be a day, when the whole world will use our Japanese pencils.


One of the biggest advantages we have had as Indians is our ability to speak and write English, like it or not, this is the one silver lining from the 'era of darkness' we have. As such an app like Koo which allows conversation in English (apart from other regional languages) can really be a worldwide phenomenon.

The success of koo and mapmyindia will depend on our willingness to use it despite it's flaws


As with anything else, absolutely true!

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Re: Social Media Watch Thread

Postby mukkan » 15 Feb 2021 21:19

Kapil Sibal is the lawyer representing whatsapp. With close to 100% market share, congress maybe hoping for help from tech giant in 2024 election.

A Bench of Chief Justice of India (CJ), SA Bobde and Justices AS Bopanna and V Ramasubramanian said that while the tech giant may be a company with deep coffers, people value their privacy more than money.

The arguments made by Senior Counsel Shyam Divan regarding the privacy concerns accompanying the new policy coupled with the fact that there is no data protection law in India, found favour with the Bench.

"We are impressed by Mr. Divan's argument that it was proposed before us that a data protection law would be brought into force. Now under this policy you will share data of Indians. You may be two or three trillion companies but people value their privacy more than money," CJI Bobde said.

Senior Counsel Kapil Sibal, representing Whatsapp, vehemently denied that the the data of users would be compromised by the new policy.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/litiga ... p-facebook


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Re: Social Media Watch Thread

Postby anupmisra » 16 Feb 2021 01:24

chetak wrote:...twitter cannot foment strife or direct the direction of discourse or encourage revolution in the name of some woke imported leftist shyte that confirms to some evil concept of americanized, secularized and liberalized "free" speech....


Twitter is better positioned to understand local laws than any other social media platform. Twitter is playing dumb on this one. Since it is a US-based organization, here's what the US law has to say on this issue, and I paraphrase:

18 U.S. Code § 2101 - Riots

(a)Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent—
(1) to incite a riot; or
(2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or
(3) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or
(4) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any
act of violence in furtherance of a riot
;

and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph— [1] Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.


In other words, in criminal law, incitement is the encouragement of another person to commit a crime. Where illegal, it is known as an inchoate offense, where harm is intended but may or may not have actually occurred.

The Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights requires that any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.

Twitter's in house legal counsel can better advise Twitter on future course of action.

It is amply clear that any US or Europe-based entity or person that supports Greta, Rihanna, Ravi, Jacob and others as having exercised their right for free speech or that Ravi is only 21 are clearly not aware of the international, US and Indian laws that prohibit such actions on social media. The fact that Delhi Police went after Ravi and others is well within the permitted course of action that other law agencies have used in recent past.

FBI trawled Facebook to arrest protesters for inciting riots, court records show


https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-med ... s-n1231531
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2101

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Re: Social Media Watch Thread

Postby IndraD » 16 Feb 2021 03:02

Government of India may communicate first on Koo; 1-3 hours before Twitter - https://www.timesnownews.com/business-e ... ter/720684

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Re: Social Media Watch Thread

Postby V_Raman » 16 Feb 2021 03:22

I hope Koo can scale and be performant. This is not easy. If they manage it and India moves to Koo and out of whatsapp -> FB/Twitter are basicall dying companies at that point...


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