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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby ManSingh » 02 Feb 2021 04:09

Primus wrote:
It is possible you are right. There is so much uncertainty here. However, the following facts seem obvious even to me (and I admit I am not usually well versed with local politics even though I am from Haryana).

1. Tikait was pro-farm bill initially.
2. He then turned completely against it - no reason other than that he was bought off by some agencies - that much is self-evident.
3. His group was the one that had plenty of Sikhs in it and these were the people who managed to reach Red Fort. The ones agitating at Tikri border and Singhu border did not get that far. Even on the day after the incidents, he was surrounded by Sikhs on the stage.
4. He again changed his tune suddenly, calling it an anti-Jaat event. He was obviously crying at the time.

The FIR was lodged against him and many others on the evening of the 26th itself, the turnaround in his behavior came about the next evening. At the time there was a large police presence there as shown on various live channels. There was at the same time a lot of Sikh presence on stage and in the field.

What is the source of your information?


Edited: For correction.
We can do a google search and see that both Singhu and Tikri borders seem a lot further than UP Gate. UP Gate( Tikait group ) is the closest to Akshar Dham. Akshar Dham is where one of the three rallies was supposed to turn around and not enter restricted areas of Delhi but they chose to break the barriers and move ahead. The tikri border folks also chose to break barriers. These are the one's that reached Red Fort. The Singhu border rally stuck to their routes. This is what the PB groups announced that none of their groups had defied the restrictions.

Tikait group has Sikhs because western U.P. and Uttarakhand has a lot of Sikhs into agriculture. In past decades Sikhs did migrate to these regions for larger lot sizes and cheaper land prices. But that is not the complete story. On the eve of republic day, when moderate leaders were asking that the next day rally be kept peaceful, a violent group from PB led by the following captured the stage.

Deep Sidhu from KSMC - He has never been allowed on stage by the larger protest of 40 or so organizations. Very ambitious and former lawyer.
Lakha Sidana, a former gangster turned social worker
BKU ( Ekta Ugrahan ): Extreme leftist group - farm organization from Punjab. This is the one that put up posters asking for Navlakha etc be freed in the first few days.
Tikait??

They captured the stage to announce that they would defy the conditions of the rally and start at 7-8 AM and not exclude outer ring road. This is exactly what they did the next morning. The first two are in hiding ( first one's to be booked under UAPA ). Tikait chose to brazen it out vs going into hiding and so had to create this anti-Jat theory.

For the Gujjar MLA part ( sorry its in Hindi ):
https://khabar.ndtv.com/news/india/farmer-leader-conflict-in-bjp-over-rakesh-tikait-demand-to-expel-lonis-mla-2360189

There was no need for this and the agitation would have significantly weakened if not for this hero(giri).

You can also see the permitted rally routes at below link:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/delhi-news/farmers-rally-allowed-after-republic-day-event-ends-101611528983524.html

Other links:
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/day-after-r-day-clash-ghazipur-protest-site-presents-a-picture-in-contrast-7163831/
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/how-volunteers-at-ghazipur-lost-the-plot-7162902/
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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 02 Feb 2021 04:12

@Ashokk

^^^^^^^

Horse, bolted, barn door.

everyone knew that this was coming all along so why could not all this have been done before the 26th

If anyone is talking about "agreements" with the protestors and "farmers", I have a taj mahal to sell.... :mrgreen:

prithviraj chauhan syndrome all over again and we never seem to learn even after so many centuries

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 02 Feb 2021 05:01

mmasand wrote:There is a petition doing the rounds in the UK to raise 'human rights violations' in relation to the ongoing protests, if it receives a certain threshold of signatures, the House of Commons is compelled to take it up for debate. Now this is a catch 22 situation for Boris, as MP's raising such questions can be easily managed, but when you have an open floor and Labour MP's from Leicester who have managed to garner support of the otherwise pro Indian Gujarati community, it is telling of our diplomatic outposts. The CAA issues were far better handled overseas, the only reason I can think of why the US, or EU admin has not waded their way in is because of the impediment to an FTA.


GoI wouldnt; give UK the time of the day let alone care much about "human rights" debate in the British parliament. UK needs to worry about its own survival, given its current trajectory in another 20 yrs there will be a demand for Khalistan in southall and a "Naya Pakistan" in Rochdale.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Primus » 02 Feb 2021 06:49

ManSingh wrote:
Primus wrote:
It is possible you are right. There is so much uncertainty here. However, the following facts seem obvious even to me (and I admit I am not usually well versed with local politics even though I am from Haryana).

1. Tikait was pro-farm bill initially.
2. He then turned completely against it - no reason other than that he was bought off by some agencies - that much is self-evident.
3. His group was the one that had plenty of Sikhs in it and these were the people who managed to reach Red Fort. The ones agitating at Tikri border and Singhu border did not get that far. Even on the day after the incidents, he was surrounded by Sikhs on the stage.
4. He again changed his tune suddenly, calling it an anti-Jaat event. He was obviously crying at the time.

The FIR was lodged against him and many others on the evening of the 26th itself, the turnaround in his behavior came about the next evening. At the time there was a large police presence there as shown on various live channels. There was at the same time a lot of Sikh presence on stage and in the field.

What is the source of your information?


Edited: For correction.
We can do a google search and see that both Singhu and Tikri borders seem a lot further than UP Gate. UP Gate( Tikait group ) is the closest to Akshar Dham. Akshar Dham is where one of the three rallies was supposed to turn around and not enter restricted areas of Delhi but they chose to break the barriers and move ahead. The tikri border folks also chose to break barriers. These are the one's that reached Red Fort. The Singhu border rally stuck to their routes. This is what the PB groups announced that none of their groups had defied the restrictions.

Tikait group has Sikhs because western U.P. and Uttarakhand has a lot of Sikhs into agriculture. In past decades Sikhs did migrate to these regions for larger lot sizes and cheaper land prices. But that is not the complete story. On the eve of republic day, when moderate leaders were asking that the next day rally be kept peaceful, a violent group from PB led by the following captured the stage.

Deep Sidhu from KSMC - He has never been allowed on stage by the larger protest of 40 or so organizations. Very ambitious and former lawyer.
Lakha Sidana, a former gangster turned social worker
BKU ( Ekta Ugrahan ): Extreme leftist group - farm organization from Punjab. This is the one that put up posters asking for Navlakha etc be freed in the first few days.
Tikait??

They captured the stage to announce that they would defy the conditions of the rally and start at 7-8 AM and not exclude outer ring road. This is exactly what they did the next morning. The first two are in hiding ( first one's to be booked under UAPA ). Tikait chose to brazen it out vs going into hiding and so had to create this anti-Jat theory.

For the Gujjar MLA part ( sorry its in Hindi ):
https://khabar.ndtv.com/news/india/farmer-leader-conflict-in-bjp-over-rakesh-tikait-demand-to-expel-lonis-mla-2360189

There was no need for this and the agitation would have significantly weakened if not for this hero(giri).

You can also see the permitted rally routes at below link:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/delhi-news/farmers-rally-allowed-after-republic-day-event-ends-101611528983524.html

Other links:
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/day-after-r-day-clash-ghazipur-protest-site-presents-a-picture-in-contrast-7163831/
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/how-volunteers-at-ghazipur-lost-the-plot-7162902/



Not disputing your post, however, Tikri is a long way from Red Fort, I know because I have traveled that route a thousand times.

Instinctively, I don't trust anything coming from NDTV - and don't worry about the Hindi, quite fluent in it :) .

And if two or three people 'captured the stage' how did that influence several thousand to beat up the police and create mayhem? Unless they all wanted to in the first place. I doubt any Jaat would attack a fellow Jaat even if he is a policeman. The brutality of it all reminds me of the gory days of the early 80s when the Khalistani terrorists presented the head of the Hindu Program Director of the local radio station in a basket to the place in order to enforce their diktat of only having Punjabi as the language on radio. I remember seeing the photographs, just as well as I remember the terror I felt going every week to Rohtak in the HR bus, didn't know if I would come home alive.

I was glued to the YT and Indian channels for several days following the R-Day parade (have been off work for a few days). None of them mentioned the Tikri border group reaching Red Fort, the ones I watched said it was the Ghazipur group, i.e. Tikait's that went there. However, it is possible that those from Singhu border got there too although that is about the same distance away as Tikri. VM Singh, the Kisan leader who was with Tikait has said on video that his group turned around from ITO and the Tikait people were the ones who went on to Red Fort.

What are your thoughts on why Tikait (who is getting the most mileage now) changed his mind after initially endorsing the new laws? Some say it is the Khalistan money - which would also explain the large number of Sikhs present with him.

As far as I know (have family in Muzaffarnagar and have spent a lot of time in the area) there is not much of a Sikh presence in Western UP and certainly not in the parts of Haryana bordering Delhi. Census figures list only 0.32% of UP is Sikh, not sure if they are all in Western UP or all over.

Anyway, we may never find out the truth about some things......

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kakkaji » 02 Feb 2021 08:15

Sikh farmers in UP are mostly in the Terai region, not Western UP

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 02 Feb 2021 09:06

First GCTOCA case in Vadodara, Leader of ‘Bichoo gang’ held
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... d-7170465/
The Vadodara Detection of Crime Branch (DCB)on Monday nabbed Aslam Shaikh alias Bodiyo, the alleged leader of the Bichoo gang whose 26 members were booked on January 20 in the first case in Vadodara under the Gujarat Control of Terrorism and Organised Crime (GCTOC) Act.
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Shaikh, and his close aide, Shoaib Ali Saiyyed alias Bapu, were nabbed from a raid around 2:30am at the dargah, where he had sought asylum since his gang was booked under GCTOC and 15 of its members were arrested.
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The cases against the gang members pertain to murder, attempt to murder, abduction and kidnapping, loot, extortion, cheating, fraud and land-grabbing.
...

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby mmasand » 02 Feb 2021 09:25

Ambar wrote:
GoI wouldnt; give UK the time of the day let alone care much about "human rights" debate in the British parliament. UK needs to worry about its own survival, given its current trajectory in another 20 yrs there will be a demand for Khalistan in southall and a "Naya Pakistan" in Rochdale.


Rhetoric is music to the ears, ignoring MP's of a potential trade deal signatory doesn't bode well. Optics and perception matter, you can of course cover your ears with a pillow and pretend not to hear the noise outside. Asking millions of your citizens overseas to 'lie low' indefinitely is hardly sound in the long term. We ought to learn from our enemies(Pakistan) and friends (Israel) on how to manage media perception, and lobby in the corridors of power.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby V_Raman » 02 Feb 2021 09:34

IMO the indian govt has learnt it and operating in that mode already. We aam abduls are still in dhoti shiver mode...

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby RajaRudra » 02 Feb 2021 15:29

Should a new forum to deal with Mandi protest be correct.

1) Its going to be long march for that to end one way or the other
2) Upcoming elections in few states will occupy more space

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 02 Feb 2021 19:10

to the extreme frustration of the sharia pasand bullywoodias, lootyens eyetalian/paki kandle kissing mafiosi and the desi commie liberandus.... :mrgreen:


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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby RKumar » 02 Feb 2021 19:42

chetak wrote:to the extreme frustration of the sharia pasand bullywoodias, lootyens eyetalian/paki kandle kissing mafiosi and the desi commie liberandus.... :mrgreen:


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love it :mrgreen: down to earth selection!

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vijayk » 02 Feb 2021 21:05

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/amid-big- ... sory-board
Tech entrepreneur and Zoho founder Sridhar Vembu has been appointed to the reconstituted National Security Advisory Board (NSAB) led by National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval, Strat News Global has reported.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Sachin » 02 Feb 2021 22:08

Meanwhile at the CAA Ranch..
Home ministry seeks additional 3 months to frame CAA rules; which was granted by the Parliament.

RajaRudra wrote:Should a new forum to deal with Mandi protest be correct.

+1 to that. Better to keep track the Farmer broker gang activities on a separate thread, and use this thread for the regular stuff.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 02 Feb 2021 22:35

Khattar's coalition government is likely at risk. His win in 2014 was forged through non-jat votes in HR, he fell short in 2019 and needed the support of an ambitious Dushyant Chautala , and then there are the Hoodas who have a vested interest in creating a jat uprising once again against Khattar. How long can Chautala continue to support BJP is to be seen, if he can hold for another month or two then the government may survive and complete its term else it is horse trading or early elections with INC having a clear advantage over a lackluster Manohar lal Khattar.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 02 Feb 2021 22:37

Sachin wrote:Meanwhile at the CAA Ranch..
Home ministry seeks additional 3 months to frame CAA rules; which was granted by the Parliament.


Not 3 months but 6 months is what the HM has asked to come up with rules for CAA. This will take us to end of 2021, 2 yrs after the parliament passed the law .

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 03 Feb 2021 02:34

vijayk wrote:https://swarajyamag.com/insta/amid-big-techs-rising-tyranny-zohos-sridhar-vembu-appointed-to-doval-led-national-security-advisory-board
Tech entrepreneur and Zoho founder Sridhar Vembu has been appointed to the reconstituted National Security Advisory Board (NSAB) led by National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval, Strat News Global has reported.


he was also awarded the Padma Shri this time.

well deserved.

would have caused no end of itching to the dravidian types :mrgreen:

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 03 Feb 2021 02:46

now that he finds the abyss staring back at him, in as many as, three BJP states.

so maybe, after a few more FIRs, this turd will start shouting "Jai Shree Ram" as well :mrgreen:


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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby chetak » 03 Feb 2021 02:57

and the oscar goes to


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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Haresh » 03 Feb 2021 03:11

Now Vogue is sticking it's nose in, a very vague and simplistic article.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/news/article/fa ... ests-india

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Bart S » 03 Feb 2021 03:22

Somebody has got that dumb bimbo Rihanna to tweet something about farmer protests as well. And commie tweeterati are going bonkers over it. They seem to be under the delusion that anything on the ground is impacted by the random opinion of some celebrity that 99% of Indians haven't heard of and nobody cares about.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby mmasand » 03 Feb 2021 03:31

Bart S wrote:Somebody has got that dumb bimbo Rihanna to tweet something about farmer protests as well. And commie tweeterati are going bonkers over it. They seem to be under the delusion that anything on the ground is impacted by the random opinion of some celebrity that 99% of Indians haven't heard of and nobody cares about.


This is what I meant by perception wars. Our babus sitting in ED, DRI, R&AW, Home Secy are enjoying chai biskoot while the country's image takes a beating by celebs who take money for anything and everything. We demanded a resignation of then HM Shivraj Patil for changing his clothes after 26/11, here our HM is hiding in his residence with his chess board. Wonder if the govt has really lost its spine, 6 days and not a word from a cabinet rank minister.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Ambar » 03 Feb 2021 03:35

Haresh wrote:Now Vogue is sticking it's nose in, a very vague and simplistic article.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/news/article/fa ... ests-india


Did you notice Arundati Roy sitting with the "protestors" ? No matter what the agitation and who the agitators are it is always the same puppeteers in the background. Glossy magazines like the Vogue covering farmer protests and conveniently ignoring facts goes to show how easy it is for the left to mobilize its enormous media reach and deploy thousands of propaganda howitzers and pseudo-intellectual HIMARs to take complete control of the narrative.

Years ago Shiv mentioned that one of the reason why India despite being an Asian country is easily influenced by the west is because of its english speaking population. Yes, after mucking up the CAA messaging the govt deserves all the blame for repeating the same mistakes with these farm bills but even with the savviest PR team they will still struggle to hire big name global celebrities to speak in favor of any law made by a government perceived to be "right wing nationalist". Few pages back i said the reason why the left is so powerful is because it uses readily mobilizable , easily organizable sections of the society that also get instant sympathy, namely minorities, women, student, laborers , so any law made by the government which the left terms as "anti-xyz" will get hammered irrespective of the best PR.
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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Avtar Singh » 03 Feb 2021 03:36

Just watching an Andy Ngo inteview

will these “farmers” start building antifa = commie/fascist/islamic CHAZ/CHOP zones

seems like the same playbook

Having done survival stuff and spent days in the outdoors with minimal equipment…
The worst thing that can happen is to get wet and stay wet.
Overnights whilst wet and without sleep are particularly grinding.

No need for high pressure water cannon, I would just keep it raining and wet over zones
I would want to clear….

Day after day/night after night

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Haresh » 03 Feb 2021 03:40

My Punjabi is not great, what is he saying in essence ??

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Indians ... 226240584/

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Haresh wrote:Now Vogue is sticking it's nose in, a very vague and simplistic article.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/news/article/fa ... ests-india


Is that Arundhoti Roy?

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby darshan » 03 Feb 2021 04:15

Patil’s new criteria of deselection of candidates triggers discussion on its positive-adverse impacts
https://www.deshgujarat.com/2021/02/02/ ... e-impacts/
The State president of ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) on the first day of Central Election Committee meeting made announcement that the party will not give ticket to those above sixty years of age, those who have been elected for three or more terms and relatives of any party leader in upcoming local elections.
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Several other senior leaders including Pravin Patel, former Standing Committer Chairman of AMC, Jigishaben, former Mayor of Vadodara, Meenakshi Patel, former Mayor of Ahmedabad have supported party’s newly introduced criteria and opined that two-term councillors below 60 have come experience that they shall pass to single term and zero term councillors. Jigishaben said she had herself asked the party in advance that she didn’t want to contest this time. She said the party has training module through which inexperienced new councillors will be trained. Jigishaben said, the youths will get more chance thanks to party’s new criteria.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby m_saini » 03 Feb 2021 04:17

Ambar wrote:Years ago Shiv mentioned that one of the reason why India despite being an Asian country is easily influenced by the west is because of its english speaking population. Yes, after mucking up the CAA messaging the govt deserves all the blame for repeating the same mistakes with these farm bills but even with the savviest PR team they will still struggle to hire big name global celebrities to speak in favor of any law made by a government perceived to be "right wing nationalist". Few pages back i said the reason why the left is so powerful is because it uses readily mobilizable , easily organizable sections of the society that also get instant sympathy, namely minorities, women, student, laborers , so any law made by the government which the left terms as "anti-xyz" will get hammered irrespective of the best PR.


I think PR campaigns can work but only if they take actions against anyone saying woke things on twitter *and* their employers. e.g look how mum NBA and NBA stars like LeBron are regarding china.

The way to stop bimbos like rihanna is to deny any business to production houses that employ people like her. Rihanna would never say anything about the concentration camps in chinko land because Mao's danda would fall instantly without waiting for the approval of some SJW in khanland. Same with the desi bimbos and bimbas in bollywood, it's useless to point out their hypocrisy by showing them pictures of their old tweets. Go after the media houses that produce their movies and the theatre chains that show them.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby disha » 03 Feb 2021 04:33

vimal wrote:
Haresh wrote:Now Vogue is sticking it's nose in, a very vague and simplistic article.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/news/article/fa ... ests-india


Is that Arundhoti Roy?



My day was going well till you showed us that GadFly's Photo. Now it is all down the drain. Further for the next 2-3 days I will be grinding my teeth and exacerbating my cracked tooth.

Please give a good reason why your post should not be reported. Just for posting that gadfly's picture should be outright cause for 7.2 days suspension.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby kosminari » 03 Feb 2021 04:37

Haresh wrote:My Punjabi is not great, what is he saying in essence ??

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Indians ... 226240584/


He is saying none of the farmer leaders have read the bill, nobody ever talks about it, all they talk about BJP, Modi, Center govt and politics. BJP supporters have distributed the copies of the bill but union leaders never distributed it. He is ready to pay half of the printing cost.

Many people opposing the bills called him but never exactly tell why they are opposing, all there is hearsay, this lawyer said this, that judge said that. BJP brought this bill as part of manifesto. BJP also trying to make India vishwaguru :eek: and doubling farm income is part of it.
Basically everything we knew and saying from the day one.

Then he goes on explaining the bill.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Kamal_raj » 03 Feb 2021 04:56

This is what I meant by perception wars. Our babus sitting in ED, DRI, R&AW, Home Secy are enjoying chai biskoot while the country's image takes a beating by celebs who take money for anything and everything. We demanded a resignation of then HM Shivraj Patil for changing his clothes after 26/11, here our HM is hiding in his residence with his chess board. Wonder if the govt has really lost its spine, 6 days and not a word from a cabinet rank minister.


The government should stay put and continue to govern and let bureaucrats and junior ministers speak. These guys should not be given any “bhav” which is what Modi is doing. If AS or Modi do say something what is it going to achieve? They will speak when there is a resolution.

How can anybody stop some magazines or celebrity from tweeting? If this cannot be stopped in India then how can it be stopped outside?

There is a bunch of people in India who will indulge in psycops against India and nothing is going to change that! Some of these people had put India as the third most dangerous country for women in a survey few years ago. The fake liberals of India are tied to hip with the fake liberals in the west which is one of the reasons why Congress has been ruling for such a longtime. These cooks in the west has been providing all sorts of cover to the congi crooks. No amount of sound bites will change it. If there are any sound bites thorough official government channels these should be smacked so hard so that these governments think twice next time.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby disha » 03 Feb 2021 05:54

Ambar wrote:
....Years ago Shiv mentioned that one of the reason why India despite being an Asian country is easily influenced by the west is because of its english speaking population. Yes, after mucking up the CAA messaging the govt deserves all the blame for repeating the same mistakes with these farm bills but even with the savviest PR team they will still struggle to hire big name global celebrities to speak in favor of any law made by a government ...


Maybe you are blaming the GOI for all the wrong reasons. It is like me visiting a bordello and blaming the government for not liking what I see. Harsh words, but please let me explain.

Media and non-government and quasi-government bodies across the globe need some way to sell their wares.

For media, outrage is what works. For example, if the global media tell the stories about how great India managed this pandemic, there will be not much sale. In fact, government bodies in those states will start hounding the media. That is a double-edged sword. Not able to sell your story and on top of it being hounded.

However, creating outrage. Twisting stories. Selling negative news. That fetch the revenue. And of course, such news is important to other countries as well. Gutter inspectors during brishit raj were needed to justify colonialism. Gutter inspectors were needed after post-colonialism for neo-colonialism and influence government during cold war. In short, media gutter inspectors will always be needed.

Certain organizations, particularly the non-government and quasi-government are funded to perpetuate a good cause. For example, imagine a rich person wanting to give back to society. Imagine that person funding a NGO to improve the nutritional uptake of below 12 year old. Good cause right? Over time, that NGO will develop a small baboocrazy who will want to justify their pay. If they can prove that feeding 12 Kgs of beef to a 12 month old over 12 weeks will improve the nutritional outcome, that baboon will do everything in her power to achieve that goal. However ridiculous it might be.

Then there are people who are in perpetually rage mode and suffer from Hero syndrome. They think they are making other's life better since they are the good guys and everybody else is bad. And then there are people who have done so much bad that they need to find a Ganga to wash away their sins.

And then there are people who just hate your existence. Your very existence is anathema to them.

So how do you deal with them? Note that targeting them and going after them will actually provide the oxygen and jet fuel to the very fire you are trying to douse. Somebody called orange did that and it was counterproductive.

For the mediapimps, just ignore them. Let the market deal with them. Think about it, did not 6 years back people wanted Darkha, Sardard, Nidhi, Tejpals, Shoma, Sagarika etc taken out of circulation? At this point, Sardard stands suspended and thoroughly discredited begging a doorknob to get a job for Sagarika. Who would have thought?

People who are in hero complex and who perpetually outrage, the best would be to give them a platform to outrage. As long as they are within legal limits. Eventually they will exhaust everybody else and the noise to signal ratio will overload the listeners.

And for people who hate your very existence, the best is for them to actually act it out. It just exposes them. Like Pakistanis are exposed. It takes time and some pain. The current tukde tukde gang is fighting UAPA cases in court. Remember the Mevani and Patel blokes? People are hard pressed to even remember their names. There was this dude from JNU who exposed his little dude to wimmen and was interviewed by Darkha and hailed as the next great leader. Not sure where that dude is. Of course, they will do anything to get back into 'limelight'. Such 'limelight' is not a light but a flash that exposes them. Not the kind of limelight under which the padmashrees bask.

Precisely here we fail. Instead of talking about good things sometimes, we live in an outrage mode. From 2014-2019 every discussion led to Mudi will lose the next elections only. Now since Mudi won and has not rezined, the next outrage of ours is Mudi is not doing a Kalki on them. Guess what Mudi is not going to do any Kalki on them. Instead, Mudi will do a Gandhi or a Krishna on them. The zamindars will protest and Mudi will go and say let's suspend the laws, basically a Gandhi on them. The zamindars will then climb the red fort and expose themselves.

And here we will outrage 'Mudi must rezine' because 'Mudi is not kalki'.

Added later PS: Why do not we discuss for a change what the GOI is doing right? In this strategic analysis thread, every arm chair general is right fully pointing out where the next big wolf is coming from for our dear deer in headlight government.

Can we not discuss the padmashrees and padmabhushans for a change? At least once? How come GOI is finding them out and we the BRFites who are ahead of the curve so much that we end up behind the curve.
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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby vimal » 03 Feb 2021 06:34

disha wrote:
vimal wrote:
Is that Arundhoti Roy?



My day was going well till you showed us that GadFly's Photo. Now it is all down the drain. Further for the next 2-3 days I will be grinding my teeth and exacerbating my cracked tooth.

Please give a good reason why your post should not be reported. Just for posting that gadfly's picture should be outright cause for 7.2 days suspension.


It’s in that article and clarifies the source of this article.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby disha » 03 Feb 2021 06:41

^Vimalji, it was in jest. Please ignore my attempt at humour.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby KJo » 03 Feb 2021 06:52

m_saini wrote:
Ambar wrote:Years ago Shiv mentioned that one of the reason why India despite being an Asian country is easily influenced by the west is because of its english speaking population. Yes, after mucking up the CAA messaging the govt deserves all the blame for repeating the same mistakes with these farm bills but even with the savviest PR team they will still struggle to hire big name global celebrities to speak in favor of any law made by a government perceived to be "right wing nationalist". Few pages back i said the reason why the left is so powerful is because it uses readily mobilizable , easily organizable sections of the society that also get instant sympathy, namely minorities, women, student, laborers , so any law made by the government which the left terms as "anti-xyz" will get hammered irrespective of the best PR.


I think PR campaigns can work but only if they take actions against anyone saying woke things on twitter *and* their employers. e.g look how mum NBA and NBA stars like LeBron are regarding china.

The way to stop bimbos like rihanna is to deny any business to production houses that employ people like her. Rihanna would never say anything about the concentration camps in chinko land because Mao's danda would fall instantly without waiting for the approval of some SJW in khanland. Same with the desi bimbos and bimbas in bollywood, it's useless to point out their hypocrisy by showing them pictures of their old tweets. Go after the media houses that produce their movies and the theatre chains that show them.


You are 786% correct. None of these "celebs" know or care what's going on. They are merely using the situation to gain some publicity to prop their flagging careers. India is always a convenient scapegoat. Either comment on the evil Hindooos and their "caste system" or do some photo ops in some orphanage and pretend to adopt one. The only way is to grow tentacles and squeeze their testimonials. India has done that in cricket and you now see these gora Aussie barbarians wag their tails like puppies during cricket matches. In the recent series they were all praise for Indian players. In earlier years they were very partisan. Of course, IPL $$$ at play. This works with people who are money-motivated. Pakis are too but their Hindu hate overcomes this. But this insight is not controlled for other conditions so not sure.

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Punjabi » 03 Feb 2021 08:58

Bart S wrote:Somebody has got that dumb bimbo Rihanna to tweet something about farmer protests as well. And commie tweeterati are going bonkers over it. They seem to be under the delusion that anything on the ground is impacted by the random opinion of some celebrity that 99% of Indians haven't heard of and nobody cares about.


Yeah, these some Shakal and Zero Akal celebrites! can't tell on a world map where is Indiana vs. India but they have opinion on anything that beats NaMo... That not so Great GretaThoonbug also jumped in...can't tell the difference between protestors and Rioters...they attack you the moment you disagree with their narrative!
Unfortunately, desis are going at each other even on professional forums like LinkedIn and attacking anyone who disagrees...

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby disha » 03 Feb 2021 14:00

mmasand wrote:This is what I meant by perception wars. Our babus sitting in ED, DRI, R&AW, Home Secy are enjoying chai biskoot while the country's image takes a beating by celebs who take money for anything and everything. ....


There was a Mia who is a prawn farmer. She also joined the fray. Given that prawn farmers are joining the fray, I would expect the ED, DRI, R&AW, Home Sec. and all the bhakts now will enjoy the show.

What to do Mmasand'ji!?

Added later: I find it funny that Greta is supporting stubble burning!

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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Rishi_Tri » 03 Feb 2021 14:17

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Hilarious.. Jokes apart, this is what it is!!


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