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Cyrano wrote:This is what the govt is agreeing to:
The demands are: Legal guarantee of MSP for all produce based on C2+50% formula; withdrawal of draft Electricity Amendment Bill, 2020/2021; removal of the penal provisions on farmers in the Commission for Air Quality Management in the National Capital Region and Adjoining Areas Act 2021; withdrawal of false cases registered against the farmers over the course of the ongoing movement; dismissal and arrest of Union Minister of State Ajay Mishra Teni in connection with the Lakhimpur Kheri incident; compensation and rehabilitation to the families of the who died during the farm movement; allocation of land for a memorial to them at Singhu.
Shameful sellout.
Don't write off Modi just yet.....

the need now is to live to fight another day.

the agitations were/have been cleverly synchronized with trump's visit to UP elections and that reeks of BIF gameplan and involvement and in depth planning. It is not a spur of the moment thing

the govt made the mistake of not breaking up the agitations in the interim, but with khujliwal supplying free water and power besides media resources and also one pillar played a very dubious role in staying the govt's hand.

On cue, the jehadis added fuel to the fire with shaheenbagh and they were allowed to let it burn by support from khujliwal.

huge moneys, national/international media resources, and other international support via academia, FFNGOs, and media personalities have been tightly and professionally coordinated and that has ring fenced the govt's reach by restricting its options for dismantling the agitations.

dakait is a low IQ dumbass but he has a native cunning that has paid dividends thus far. His options are fast running out ever since amarinder shacked up with the NDA after Modi walked back the farm laws.

by walking back the farm laws, Modi has defanged the primary protagonists and amarinder is making good on his promises to recall the sikhs from the dilli borders otherwise an alliance would not have been possible.
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How will the govt fund this mammoth MSP for all agricultural produce ?! It will bankrupt the country ! There is no ways the govt can keep the promise, not to mention if MSP is guaranteed for everything then it will further worsen the food inflation.
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meanwhile, back at the ranch................

the dravidians are up to their old tricks onlee


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Prem Kumar wrote:
2 core issues for Hindus: (a) Freeing Temples (b) Treating Hindu Educational institutions on par with minority ones

Neither of them are in the BJP Manifesto
Building of Ram Mandir hasn't satisfied Hindus nor given Modi government any electoral dividends. I guess that means other Hindu causes could rightfully be on back-burner.

Hindus are always struck within their community class, income class, occupation class. Unlike other religion, where their religion is foremost and primary identity. This multiple identities of Hindus often gets exploited.
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chetak wrote: unless all castes, without discrimination, can enter Hindu temples, it is best not to take control. Keep the politicos at bay
So never?
don't care about mosques or churches, not our problem but they are full of people that the stooopid Hindu's have driven away from their temples, thereby weakening their faith, stripping away their hopes and any reasons for them to stay within the dharmic sanatani fold.
They're also full of blacks, latinos, armenians, polacks, whites etc who also don't/can't enter each other's churches. It's not the "stooopid Hindus" who have driven people away, it's entirely something else.

Something I never understood; for freeing up temples people want these "iron-clad checks and balances" but these were never asked in 1947. Maybe we should've kept serving Brits as their slaves until an Indian system which was "free from any discrimination" and which had a "solid foundation" could be invented.

Like I said, all these impossible lofty ideals for Hindu temples. Perfect is the enemy of good and we also see this in defense procurement. Indian equipment must pass all these cold weather, hot weather, moon surface, 10km below earth surface tests while imported items are accepted immediately. And then people criticize "stooopid" indian companies for driving away Indian money towards foreign nation's MIC.
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A question for all the forum members and i am asking this after much contemplation (Yaane ki poore hosho hawash mein hoon)
Has MODIJI failed to deliver what we expected or hesitant or just doesn’t want to bite the bullet
Is he going to prop Yogi at the nth minute as the PM candidate meaning just after the first results start trickling in
Feel Yogi can and will walk the talk and talk the talk
But will big business houses support him
What will the western liberal woke world do if he is elected as PM
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^^ Rsatchi, thats an interesting line of thought.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... g-7660303/

If the PM has to whip the BJP MPs to attend this crucial section, it shows the poor quality of these BJP MPs that cannot see the importance of their vote. These BJP MPs are basically a liability for the BJP and the PM's stern warning needs to be followed through.

As other realist observers have stated, Modi/Yogi are working to make the poorest classes wealthier and become part of the economy (political and financial), so it makes sense that people who assume the BJP's priorities are w.r.t. hinduism are unhappy. I think that shift will come if/when the country elects Yogi to power. Creating a strong, faithful voter base seems to be the priority, and the fickle, anglicized (and ultra-hindu like sususwamy) electoral segment are just rabble-rousing NOTA voters, so ignoring them is the right call.
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Chetakji,
Whatever calculations NaMo has made, the result has been an undermining of State authority, Parliament's legitimacy in passing bills and administration's ability to deal effectively with lawlessness - hence undermining of rule of law. It has made possible for one regional pressure group to masquerade as a popular pan-Indian representative of a significant slice of the economy and society and get away with it. That is the bigger damage going far beyond the farm reforms themselves which can be pushed thru by various GOs over time.

Anti-state, anti-national pressure group forces have found a new proven playbook that has made "loh purush" give in with zero reciprocity. Just think of how far they can go with weaker Govts at the Center or in states? That is the lasting fallout that makes me bitter than the farm laws or un-notified CAA by themselves.

If NaMo has sacrificed sovereign statecraft at the altar of uncertain political gains in _one state_ with ethno-cultural-religious specificities, thats a sad and historic blunder that will come back and haunt the nation again and again, across successive regimes.
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m_saini wrote:
chetak wrote: unless all castes, without discrimination, can enter Hindu temples, it is best not to take control. Keep the politicos at bay
So never?
don't care about mosques or churches, not our problem but they are full of people that the stooopid Hindu's have driven away from their temples, thereby weakening their faith, stripping away their hopes and any reasons for them to stay within the dharmic sanatani fold.
They're also full of blacks, latinos, armenians, polacks, whites etc who also don't/can't enter each other's churches. It's not the "stooopid Hindus" who have driven people away, it's entirely something else.

Something I never understood; for freeing up temples people want these "iron-clad checks and balances" but these were never asked in 1947. Maybe we should've kept serving Brits as their slaves until an Indian system which was "free from any discrimination" and which had a "solid foundation" could be invented.

Like I said, all these impossible lofty ideals for Hindu temples. Perfect is the enemy of good and we also see this in defense procurement. Indian equipment must pass all these cold weather, hot weather, moon surface, 10km below earth surface tests while imported items are accepted immediately. And then people criticize "stooopid" indian companies for driving away Indian money towards foreign nation's MIC.
In 1947, no choice was offered to the Hindus with regards to their temples. Sheep that we are, we accepted the colonial britshit methods of temple administration and that is why no Hindu asked, trusting foolishly that their "leaders" would do right by them.

70 odd years have passed, have they done right by us yet or what

Many of the caste Hindus in India have driven away the so called "lower castes" from "their" temples, and so, the same lower castes who then have little option when lured by the abrahamics to convert, especially when the deal is sweetened by tangible inducements, do so.

why would anyone here be talking of "blacks, latinos, armenians, polacks, whites etc" bugger them all to hell.

This is solely a discussion about Hindu temples in India and their efficient, reliable, honest, and dependable administration by the Hindu community for the Hindu people.

with temples under Hindu control, comes the power to change the destiny of our future generations because education, health, finances for loans, higher education etc, etc follow closely

since this is a new area, be doubly cautious while proceeding, look for the best means possible and arrive at a consensus and oversee its implementation as well as efficacy. Iterate by consensus, should the need arise.

all that is being asked for is a fair and equitable selection process, a thoroughly vetted administrative process with in built checks and balances, a time limited tenure for the suitably qualified committee members, all agreed by consensus, and additionally, a strong and independent oversight mechanism to ensure that the chosen (by election or otherwise) administrators follow the dharmic path and benefit the dharmic community.

what has this "your quote" got to do with Hindu temples or do you imagine that the temples should be like the MIC

what is it that you are trying to say, no process required or not to take over temples from govt control
Like I said, all these impossible lofty ideals for Hindu temples. Perfect is the enemy of good and we also see this in defense procurement. Indian equipment must pass all these cold weather, hot weather, moon surface, 10km below earth surface tests while imported items are accepted immediately. And then people criticize "stooopid" indian companies for driving away Indian money towards foreign nation's MIC.
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Cyrano wrote:Chetakji,
Whatever calculations NaMo has made, the result has been an undermining of State authority, Parliament's legitimacy in passing bills and administration's ability to deal effectively with lawlessness - hence undermining of rule of law. It has made possible for one regional pressure group to masquerade as a popular pan-Indian representative of a significant slice of the economy and society and get away with it. That is the bigger damage going far beyond the farm reforms themselves which can be pushed thru by various GOs over time.

Anti-state, anti-national pressure group forces have found a new proven playbook that has made "loh purush" give in with zero reciprocity. Just think of how far they can go with weaker Govts at the Center or in states? That is the lasting fallout that makes me bitter than the farm laws or un-notified CAA by themselves.

If NaMo has sacrificed sovereign statecraft at the altar of uncertain political gains in _one state_ with ethno-cultural-religious specificities, thats a sad and historic blunder that will come back and haunt the nation again and again, across successive regimes.
Agreed saar.

Never appease. It will always hurt the national interest.

but other b@$t@rd$ have played a much bigger role than Modi in this fiasco and they should be held accountable first for this fait accompli.

Let's wait and see how it plays out. Modi has just bowled them what can best be described as a "bodyline" yorker.

the hustings in UP and punjab are not too far away.
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what an overkill

bhagwant mann would have readily agreed for just a quarter of ठर्रा........

@ANI · 5 Dec

Chandigarh | A very senior leader of a national party called me four days back asking me to leave AAP. He offered me sops like money and a Cabinet Minister berth in the Modi cabinet with portfolio of my choice: AAP MP Bhagwant Mann
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Rsatchi wrote:A question for all the forum members and i am asking this after much contemplation (Yaane ki poore hosho hawash mein hoon)
Has MODIJI failed to deliver what we expected or hesitant or just doesn’t want to bite the bullet
Let me try answering the first and the fundamental part of your question. When you take stand or take office as a truthful, dharmic person, you can no longer easily adopt trickery and devious methods to combat vested interests without risking your own image. So when the moment comes when adharma has to be fought with full force and even adharmic methods TRANSCATIONALLY one can either get into Case A. antarmadhan (inner conflict) or Case B. shaurya heenata (lose the courage) to fight the adharma AND fight for public opinion again to regain one's dharmic credentials in the eyes of the society. Lord Krishna has done it, but everyone cannot be a Yuga Purush.

If beset by either case A or B, one will end up resorting to half hearted dharmic battles with adharma, hoping they will get scared and run away. After all they are facing the righeteous dharmic enemy. But thats not how adharmis operate, they have a panoply of deflection and deception tactics that will test your dharmic resolve. And when they find a sliver, they will shove a foot in and start calling YOU (falsely) adharmic. That will further weaken your resolve and the adharmic forces will pry the door fully open and grab whatever they can lay hands on.

This is exactly what is happening now.

That's why Krishna reminds us multiple times to act according to dharma, without worrying about consequences. Else that worry to do good IN ORDER TO be seen as good, to achieve good, will cloud your judgement, evaporate your resolve and lead to your undoing.

In any compromise between good and evil, good always loses (at least something if not a lot or nearly everything) and weakens, and evil always gains (often beyond its own expectation) and strengthens. Dharma knows this, thats why there is no MERCY, FORGIVENESS or REDEMPTION in our philosophy - you have to pay for your karmas (as a corollary you must make others pay for their's - thats the whole point of Kuruksherta). Washing of sins and redemption is itself a corrupting idea of adharmic philosophies.
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BTW, India-Pakistan, Hindu-Muslim relations also follow the same dynamic.

On other words, Satya and Taquiyya.

A single lie can destroy a Satya image, a thousand truths/half-lies/lies are still Taquiyya !
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chetak wrote:what is it that you are trying to say, no process required or not to take over temples from govt control
I guess what I meant was is this; minimum process and free temples immediately. If there are crooks or upper caste Hindus discriminating against lower castes then it gets taken care of at a later time. But it absolutely cannot become a per-requisite for freeing up temples.
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Cyrano wrote:This is what the govt is agreeing to:
The demands are: Legal guarantee of MSP for all produce based on C2+50% formula; withdrawal of draft Electricity Amendment Bill, 2020/2021; removal of the penal provisions on farmers in the Commission for Air Quality Management in the National Capital Region and Adjoining Areas Act 2021; withdrawal of false cases registered against the farmers over the course of the ongoing movement; dismissal and arrest of Union Minister of State Ajay Mishra Teni in connection with the Lakhimpur Kheri incident; compensation and rehabilitation to the families of the who died during the farm movement; allocation of land for a memorial to them at Singhu.
Shameful sellout.

Indeed. And without a single gain to show for it. If the news of agreeing to the MSP is true then it is a huge burden on the tax payer. So not only do we have to pay for all the inputs to these farmers, we now have the dubious privilege of paying more in the form of tax too buy what they they produce. Hard to see the silver lining in this.

The claim that this was done to avoid a law and order problem has now been shown to be false. What this has done is to set a precedent: any two bit leaders with 200 followers can now set up a blockade of main highways and the government will acquiesce before their demands. Tikait has made a fool of BJP leadership, he will continue protesting and continue asking for the moon as that keeps him in the . Eventually he will become a mass market leader thanks to this.

Someone said of the Judges when Indira Gandhi declared emergency: you were asked to bend but you grovelled. The same will apply to BJP leadership in this matter.
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m_saini wrote:
chetak wrote:what is it that you are trying to say, no process required or not to take over temples from govt control
I guess what I meant was is this; minimum process and free temples immediately. If there are crooks or upper caste Hindus discriminating against lower castes then it gets taken care of at a later time. But it absolutely cannot become a per-requisite for freeing up temples.
it is getting ready and being prepared when the time comes. period

it is to safe guard ourselves.

temples can only be freed by the govt and all states and political parties will be opposed to it, including the BJP. If it hasn't happened in these 70 odd years, it's not likely to happen anytime soon.

we should be ready to act before the greedy politicos enact a law for the Hindus to "control" their own temples prior to freeing them

our best chance to force the govt's hand may be when the UCC comes, to demand unconditional equality with other religions.

Goa is the only state in India that has a uniform civil code now, a legacy of the portuguese.........and a legal requirement, one of the many requirements, negiotiated before the Govt of India replaced the portuguese govt. even here the temples are under govt control or temples can be taken over if they so desire.

not sure of the UCC status of daman, diu etc because they were penal colonies
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Lets even ignore temples for a while as there may be real issues around fund management etc.

What exactly stops the government from repealing RTE?
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Tanaji wrote:Lets even ignore temples for a while as there may be real issues around fund management etc.

What exactly stops the government from repealing RTE?
why repeal and cause needless bad blood.

just include the entire Hindu lot in the RTE and extend all the same exact facilities, privileges, and rights and the abrahamics' are so done and they are so dusted.

this is the tandoor method, all chickens, same to same treatment.

the ncert and ICSE syllabi will automatically get revised and updated.

most teachers in abrahamics' schools are Hindus anyway. A homecoming will devastate the abrahamics' schools

just an amendment required in the RTE and who can object because the precious abrahamics' "rights" remain untouched.

Very sickular and very effective onlee.

Of course, if challenged legally, then go ahead and legislate ruthlessly.

education cannot remain the exclusive domain of the abrahamics'.
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wonder what he thinks of the privilege of being the child of a former Chief Justice of India, the longest serving one at that
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morem wrote:wonder what he thinks of the privilege of being the child of a former Chief Justice of India, the longest serving one at that
Be careful.. asking such questions is Blasphemy
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Must admit that something is very wrong with the system if something akin to dynastic succession was possible in this case. The judge's perspective may very well be informed by his personal experience.
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@OpIndia_com·28 Nov
“Govt cannot be the owner of temples”: VHP urges centre to free Hindu Temples from govt control, starts discussions to evolve alternate control structure
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Tanaji wrote:Lets even ignore temples for a while as there may be real issues around fund management etc.

What exactly stops the government from repealing RTE?
the lingayats in KAR want to be considered a minority and non Hindu.

It gives them lucrative opportunities because they can start schools, colleges, and medical/engg colleges etc etc under the RTE

opening up the RTE and making it inclusive may prevent such social erosion from the main fold
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chetak wrote:
@OpIndia_com·28 Nov
“Govt cannot be the owner of temples”: VHP urges centre to free Hindu Temples from govt control, starts discussions to evolve alternate control structure

March to Delhi. Another demand should be to repeal the ‘ 1991 places of worship act’

The only thing this govt understands is a siege protest. Select a site in front of khujliwals office to occupy
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chetak wrote:
@OpIndia_com·28 Nov
“Govt cannot be the owner of temples”: VHP urges centre to free Hindu Temples from govt control, starts discussions to evolve alternate control structure
That's great news. Thanks for posting chetak saar! Hopefully it happens in the buildup to 2024.
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Atmavik wrote:
morem wrote:wonder what he thinks of the privilege of being the child of a former Chief Justice of India, the longest serving one at that
Be careful.. asking such questions is Blasphemy
Yes, that's the right name for the current witchhunt unleashed by Hizzoners. Always, the arrogance leads to downfall.
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So is there any credible and authoritative report about what, if at all, has the govt agreed to with the farmer-broker gang?
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Breaking news: MI17 helicopter in which CDS Bipin Rawat and other senior armed forces leaders were traveling crashed in Nilgiris in TN. Very bad visuals (fire, 2 in hospital, not sure of survivors). No details on the cause. Rajnath Singh is in touch with Army and PMO.
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There is a "Military Flight Safety" thread on the Mil forum, lets please use that to have news updates all in one place.
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Ambar wrote:How will the govt fund this mammoth MSP for all agricultural produce ?!
arshyam wrote:So is there any credible and authoritative report about what, if at all, has the govt agreed to with the farmer-broker gang?
There is no news that GoI has agreed on the MSP. They only plan to 'discuss the same'.
srikandan wrote:If the PM has to whip the BJP MPs to attend this crucial section, it shows the poor quality of these BJP MPs that cannot see the importance of their vote.
I will not read too much into this. PM and BJP regularly send out such notes. And usually the main stream media & 'seculars' panic, as they fear that some new bill is being tabled in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha :lol:.
Tanaji wrote:The claim that this was done to avoid a law and order problem has now been shown to be false. What this has done is to set a precedent: any two bit leaders with 200 followers can now set up a blockade of main highways and the government will acquiesce before their demands.
To be frank; I now really have doubts on Amit Shah's skills as a Home Minister or even that of Ajit Doval as the National Security Advisor. Right from the anti-CAA protests a pattern has been set. There has not been any visible measures taken against 'peacefool' organisations like PFI, SDPI who were behind the CAA protests. The CAA rules will most likely never see the light of the day. I don't think A. Shah even has one incident to prove his mettle as the Home Minister.
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m_saini wrote:What does "democratically inclusive" w.r.t temples even mean? And which religious institutions today, be it churches or mosques, are free from discrimination or exclusivity?
m_saini wrote:Something I never understood; for freeing up temples people want these "iron-clad checks and balances" but these were never asked in 1947.
The churches and mosques have a kind of regimented way of its management. For example; churches have a concept of a parish where X'ians are registered and that becomes an election nominal roll. They even register/de-register based on relocations etc. Same goes for Muslims; they have their Mahal Commitees. Where as there is nothing like that in Hindu temples.

As I mentioned earlier; in Kerala temples were managed by kings who handed over that responsibility to elected government. Now who else could they have handed over to? There are Hindu caste organisations; but the situation on the ground is that if one caste manages the temple, the other castes would totally avoid that temple. There is also another case. Say temple X in one town is is managed by folks from X caste, if elections are conducted due to larger number of people from another caste the X caste management committee would get thrown out. Leading to either caste based fights and the temple losing its purpose.

Also can you share with us, which covenants/acts require amendment to 'free temples from Govt control? How many are in state/central/concurrent list? I feel that GoI (even from BJP) does not want to touch this issue because they know the more bigger problems it will bring out.
Najunamar wrote:I believe it should be handled by the various peetams established by the great Acharyas (Shankara, Ramanuja and Madhva). They can elect a governing council to ensure vaidheega dharma prevails.
It is my belief that the 3 Acharyas transcend all castes and creeds and have earned the Jagadhguru title, so no need to over complicate.
There are states like KL where the 'Peetams' or 'Mutts' are not existing, or are not in a very good position to administer any temple. And there would also be opposition from Hindu power groups who now have some say in temple governance. The moot point is also that are all these 'Acharyas' having the same form of respect across all parts of India? Without that; the existing status quo cannot be changed.
RajaRudra wrote:2) There are many temples - Which are revered and worshipped by all the people. Who or Which mutt should manage those. My View is the leadership to that role should come organically from that locality across all the castes/sects. - Currently managed by Govt Board
Saying this from what I have seen in Kerala; the bolded part is very dicey and may not happen. Because there are prominent caste groups who will never see eye-to-eye especially in a matter concerning management of a temple.
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To be fair to Amit Shah, he has the following to his credit:

1) Zero terror attacks in India, excepting places like J&K
2) Bringing NE insurgents to the table
3) Maoist threat diminished significantly
4) Article 370

The above being said, CAA and Farmer Protest handling were disasters!
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All 3 Acharyas with the vedas provide the litmus test for the integrity of the governance council. Rest of the talk about KL not respecting or any other caste/creed not recognizing does not hold water, if they don't respect the vedas and the bhashyakarthaas, they are not of the fold of Sanaathana dharma and hence cannot hold our temples hostage.
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I don't understand astrology but did India's stars change around Feb 2019 ? The last 34 months since Pulwama we seem to go from one crisis to another without a break ! Its been terrible 3 yrs for our nation with the exception of the economy which seems to be on the mend.
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Amazing that keyboard warriors of BR who make no difference to Indian people life - pass judgment and opinions on NSA - 50 yrs in Intelligence and Police and HM who have spent 40+ years in politics and dealing with jihandi kind :) I guess we do deserve Shivraj Patil and SS Menon - only plus point is non or your opinion convert to votes else it will be 2004 again
Let me ask before we Bit##ch whats not working as per our opinion - what would you do if you were HM for say a week ensuring that once you leave India still remains. Think our India as Rashtra that existed for 10K years and should remain so for next 10K years. The country does not run with Ego which us folks seems to have higher than Himalaya
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sachin: I will not read too much into this. PM and BJP regularly send out such notes. And usually the main stream media & 'seculars' panic, as they fear that some new bill is being tabled in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha :lol:.
Glad to hear, sachin saar. There was some news about this a few days ago so this seemed related, but then again also reported by the "secular" crowd.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 966870.cms
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Rampy wrote:Amazing that keyboard warriors of BR who make no difference to Indian people life - pass judgment and opinions on NSA - 50 yrs in Intelligence and Police and HM who have spent 40+ years in politics and dealing with jihandi kind :) I guess we do deserve Shivraj Patil and SS Menon - only plus point is non or your opinion convert to votes else it will be 2004 again
Let me ask before we Bit##ch whats not working as per our opinion - what would you do if you were HM for say a week ensuring that once you leave India still remains. Think our India as Rashtra that existed for 10K years and should remain so for next 10K years. The country does not run with Ego which us folks seems to have higher than Himalaya
Its a very slippery slope to take when citizens aren't allowed to question the performance or daily functioning of their elected government and bureaucrats. If we should not question just because the incumbent NSA and HM have a combined experience of over 70 yrs, then we should not be questioning Shivraj Patil and SS Menon either both of whom were veterans of their fields.

The worry is real. Past performance is no guarantee of future results as they say in investment. The country which existed 10,000 yrs ago was a very different one compared to the one which exists today geographically, politically end economically.
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Re: 2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

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this is one govt that plays its cards very close to its vest.

apart from depriving a lot of entitled presstitutes their long accustomed side income of selling classified info, the triad also keep everything strictly on a need to know basis.

This choking off of all sources of classified info has hit shady business houses, foreign embassies (especially the paki and the cheeni), NGOs, the corrupt lootyens crowd, and the BIF pasand babooze and pimped up "power" brokers

politicians, political parties and middlemen have no approach to the decision making triad and so deals cannot be cut or info cannot be sold or bartered

Demonetization caught everyone flat footed and the black money in hand simply evaporated overnight. No one knew or even anticipated it

again the public or the politicos have no clue as to what's up or why the farm laws were repealed and I am willing to bet a substantial amount that even amarinder is not fully in the know

so, speculation is useless because there is no foundation or premise, based on which any meaningful analysis can be developed

Modi is still being abused for demonetization but today we are also the top country in digital payments using the Unified Payments Interface, beating even the cheenis.

none of this would have been possible without the tangible flow downs from the much reviled demonetization that formed the foundation and the financial skeletal structure for world beating ideas like the implementation of the Unified Payments Interface etc, etc.

Modi knows what he is doing. He seems to have a plan and a timeline

If he is forced out of the office without another BJP govt in place, he will be arrested and jailed on trumped up charges with in 48 hours of his leaving office.

he has much more at stake than some slicked up keyboard warriors who, on a good day, would find it difficult to distinguish their %%%% from a hole in the ground.

Have faith because, literally, you have little to no choice

I think that the inflection point will be the elections in UP
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