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darshhan wrote:
uddu wrote: There can only be one and only party that could fill this space in India. Whether you like it or not. If not, what you get is pre 2014 situation. That never means people need not be given protection. It means it's always time to unite and strengthen rather than weaken and end up as victims. There is no other choice and there is no second chance. So keep this going and let Modi's and Yogi's lead.
neither Kamlesh Tiwari was nor Yati ji is interested in forming new political parties and undercutting BJP votes . They were more interested in socio religious organizations purely meant to protect and advance hindu interests. Then why this insecurity on BJP's part. It is because they do not even want to answer the most basic questions regarding Hindu interests. Forget about actually doing something about those issues.
Like any large organization there tends to be an inertia and a bias towards “experience” or “time servers” or “seniors” whatever you may call them. BJP, of all the Indian parties, is democratic and grassroots-based. By their nature they can’t just elevate Johnny-come-latelys to prominence in the party power structure without facing pushback and disharmony. (We are seeing this in Bengal for example). Congress and all the state-level parties like TMC, DMK, YSRCP, TRS etc can do this if they want because they are top-down parties controlled by one individual or family.

Maybe BJP will evolve into a big-tent like party that can balance both individual initiative and institutional stability, but it will take time & conscious effort. The change will proceed slowly and depends on the skills and vision of the contenders. As far as I know YA is charting his own path under the party’s umbrella and no one has seriously tried to stop him. The same path to the top was followed by Modi.

These things are like steering an ocean liner. Has to be done with skill and care, and it takes time.

All the more reason to give them the needed time to learn and evolve.
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darshhan wrote:3. If GoI doesn't take active and visible steps to dissolve Pakistan by October 2023
This is what the Congress Mukt Bharat slogan is about. But GoI can only move as fast as the people are willing to. INC and Pakistan speak in one voice against even minor actions GoI takes (see CAA, Article 370), and yet there are substantial parts of India ruled by this ideology. The current leadership is doing a great job at presenting people with a clear and visible choice. But people have to choose.
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"Unless India retracts its "actions leading up to the revocation of Article 370” in Kashmir, the relationship between the two neighbouring countries cannot be normalised", said Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan.
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Can we have some consensus on solving temple management and Pak on this forum first? Don't say "solve by destroying Pak." Do we have consensus on whether * we want PoK (land and people); * we want PoK (land but not people); * we don't want PoK (land or people); * we want land access to Central Asia; * na-ah, Central Asia is overrated; * Baloch should join India/ Iran or not; * take Karachi (with or without people) or not...?

Nobody doubts the ability of forumites here in solving such trivial issues, so given that this forum doesn't have a consensus on any of this after existing for decades, one is forced to doubt the intent of this forum. BRF doesn't WANT to solve any of these issues, and is thus becoming no different from PakDef. Next time somebody is wondering whether to join BRF or PakDef, tell them to go NOTA!!
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Everything will have to start and end with a refugee policy. This will require a strong MIC and industry. And that will require a strong Hindu nation. People want to convert themselves to the side offering benefits. Till being Hindu isn't beneficial, you aren't getting any fickle mass which is a majority.

Without being a Hindu nation and Hindus having benefits that any civilizational nation has, all other things won't be of any use. Abrahmics will be more than happy to give you free temples for a generation or two if that will avoid a Hindu nation. They are master at giving you a rope for couple generations and be patient.

Minorities in India control disproportionate amount of resources from political space to land to institutions. No amount of free temples will reverse this.

Is there any good example of existing Hindu organization running a temple and having a good set of rules and regulations that can be adopted by the temples being freed?

First step would be to collect list of good temple boards. Gorakhpur comes to mind due to Yogi but I haven't personally read their rules and regulations. I know that the founder of the Swainarayan sect had left a detailed rules but they were flawed and non starter with the family dynasty involved. Something that has led to multitude of sub sects each with their own interpretation.
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^ I thought you were contradicting yourself. Sorry, but when the only difference is a second "h" in the handle, it gets confusing. I know, I'm just "su"darshan, which isn't too different either. And you're right, the RO*ers will happily agree to give up govt. control of temples, if they think they can buy some time by lulling the gullible majority into a false sense of security for another few years, while their own plans fructify.
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While we Yindutva warriors squabble, the enemy relentlessly opens another ridiculous front. Gotta admire their ch00tzpah, deep pockets, deep connections and deep sh1t, err, grit. Only.

https://twitter.com/IndianExpress/statu ... 46179?s=20
#ExpressOpinion | Dalits lack resources. The Internet has been expensive and vloggers from Savarna caste have an edge over Dalits in this field.

Anjul Bamhrolia writes
Above bilge is on IE, tweeted from their blue tick twitter account. Choke-full of 'manuvadi' and 'savarna' ishtyle dog whistles. Only.
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Our media chatterati and "eminent intellectuals" are utterly lazy, they cannot come up with a single original "outrage" without copying from the west and super-imposing it on India. This access to internet or the lack of it is something which keeps cropping up in the western liberal media from time to time - https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/new ... 765787001/
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https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/ ... 39779?s=20
MHA has likely told NIA to Register Case of Fatal #BijapurAttack and undertake Investigation on All aspects including the Source of weapons these Naxals used .

This will be First Ever NIA Investigation into a Naxal Teror Attack and their Ecosystem
Hopefully, justice will be served asap. Don't mind waiting a few more days/weeks if that response has elements of visible shock-and-awe and it's morale-boosting multiplier effects. Only.

P.S. NIA looking into the MH mess. Yet to show any solid ground-breaking discoveries, from what is publicly knows. Hope springs eternal, however.
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darshan wrote:Where is the information on why and who approved such loans? Were the bank operators also charged for approving loans? Retirement cancelled? ED looking into bank officials? Time and time we see this NPA related news but no information on bank officials who signed off on it and their present living situation.
IL&FS Sells 49 Per Cent Stake In Chinese Chongquing Yuhe Expressway To Address Rs 2,600 Crore Debt
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/ilfs-sell ... crore-debt
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“IL&FS has duly received Rs 1,035 crore ($ 141.3 million) in Singapore as part of this stake sale transaction. The consideration will be used to pay approximately $ 88 million of Bank of Baroda Loans and the balance to meet IIPL liabilities, including bondholders under IOPL,” the infrastructure development and finance company revealed in an official statement....
I am curious as to how you got the idea that some bankers "signed off" on this? The one who signed off was the FinMin and other Bada Baboons not Bank Officials. PSBs are micromanaged by Dept of Financial Services to a level you would not believe. Moreover, Loan of this particular size is not approved by one "Official" but a Central Office Credit Approval Committee or something of that sort. To whom the instructions received from the MD or ED office will be something along the lines of " We welcome your opinions on this proposal, however any opinion not conducive for the sanction of said loan will result in a scenic tour of transfers and punishment postings across the country from where you would be shifted somewhere else in another 15 days."

No possibility of seeing your family for years. Miss your children's' important functions and growing up so much that they don't even recognize you when you come home.

Penalising Bank officers for commercial decisions taken after all due diligence, and in good faith is a fast route to halting credit flow into the economy.

I will elaborate if anybody wants me to further.
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AdityaVM wrote: I am curious as to how you got the idea that some bankers "signed off" on this? The one who signed off was the FinMin and other Bada Baboons not Bank Officials. .
The point I was going towards was that I would have liked to see names of the responsible parties. If not bank officials then whoever signed off and timings. Without the further information, people would make up their own opinions.
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KLNMurthy wrote:
darshhan wrote:In case of any of the following conditions

1. If Yati Narsinghanand ji is harmed in any way.
2. If govt control of Temples is not relinquished by october 2023
3. If GoI doesn't take active and visible steps to dissolve Pakistan by October 2023

Then I will sit out in the next Lok Sabha elections i e in 2024. I will not vote for any party. BJP cannot take my vote for granted anymore.
Please.

Taking a chance on BIF coming back is not an option. This time around they will sew up the system water-tight to keep Hindus from ever raising their heads and organizing. No one in the world will come to Hindus’ rescue even as democracy in India will be murdered for ever. And democracy is the only way for Hindus to gain and retain control of the reins of power.

They underestimated Hindus in 2014 and maybe 2019. They are not going to do it again. They have institutional memory of conquering and converting large swathes of the world.

Don’t take them lightly. Don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good.

BJP governments have to run India in a centrist manner for stability and growth. Hindus should use the political space provided by the BJP to build civic institutions that will be fortresses for the culture. This should be the grand bargain and allocation of roles.
+1 . If the congress ever comes back to power, you can bet that they will fill the institutes with their folks and it will be difficult for any Hindu party to come to power. Look how difficult it is with the entire media system, especially the english media being totally pro-congress. These folks are the one still building narratives in India and abroad that minorities are in danger in India while playing down any attacks on hindus. They have already modified history, filled all universities with leftists and media with their lackeys and its still taking a long time to dismantle some of those. If cong ever comes back to power, they will go the whole hog while media remains silent. See how media today plays down any issue in opposition ruled states and blows up every small thing in BJP ruled states. Would the political killings in WB be given a pass if it was BJP ruled state? Or if BJP govt had been in Maharashtra, they would have been roasted for the way covid situation is being handled there.

It takes a long time to get people in right positions and build up the ecosystem and narrative. Sitting out and letting cong take over and destroy any space for Hindus is not an option.
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Hey, maybe 'em yindooze were right all along. How to twist these emerging facts to fit into the submerging abrahamono-theistic worldview...

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Hari Seldon wrote:https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/ ... 39779?s=20
MHA has likely told NIA to Register Case of Fatal #BijapurAttack and undertake Investigation on All aspects including the Source of weapons these Naxals used .

This will be First Ever NIA Investigation into a Naxal Teror Attack and their Ecosystem
Hopefully, justice will be served asap. Don't mind waiting a few more days/weeks if that response has elements of visible shock-and-awe and it's morale-boosting multiplier effects. Only.

P.S. NIA looking into the MH mess. Yet to show any solid ground-breaking discoveries, from what is publicly knows. Hope springs eternal, however.
the facts and findings are not so very difficult to unearth but they will be used mainly to squeeze some specific political testimonials.

vaze faces the death penalty which happy event will also protect many others who are high on the food chain. So he has already spilled much of the beans in the hope that he will be allowed to live.

However, since politics is the art of the possible, secrets will remain secrets and will be used as leverage at the appropriate time.

such a racket as was being run will have all politicos complicit and with both hands plunged deep into the honey pot

the sena is sure that they are not coming back again for a really long time so making hay while the sun shines is the norm. For this to happen, the maha vinash aghadi has to paint with a very wide brush and tar as many as possible. Even if they do come back, in some small way or the other, all ATM ministries will be out of their reach.

that leaves the real ATM, the BMC, under sena control for the moment.
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Marashtra home minister Mr. Anil Deshmukh resigns after Mumbai High court order for CBI inquiry. Mr. Dilip WalsePatil is rumored to be the front runner for the post.
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RajD wrote:Marashtra home minister Mr. Anil Deshmukh resigns after Mumbai High court order for CBI inquiry. Mr. Dilip WalsePatil is rumored to be the front runner for the post.
So, currently, the state of MAH has no speaker and no HM.

good going by the maha vinash aghadi.

the noose is tightening slowly but surely.
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I am not sure how many of you know or remember H. Y. Sharada Prasad. he was a media advisor to Indira Gandhi from late 1960s and also served as media advisor to Rajiv Gandhi when he was the prime minister.
As per wiki during his tenure with Indira Gandhi, Sharada Prasad was known to have assisted in the establishment of two notable institutions, the Indian Institute of Mass Communication and the National Institute of Design.

K Natwar Singh who was lifelong Congress writes for Sunday Guardian about his past experiences. He writes regularly for Sunday Guardian. Here is what he wrote recently about a A letter from Sharda Prasad. You can see the hatred and contempt for RSS within the Congress ecosystem and the excuses they come up with in support of emergency. And of course how important secularism is for India else we all doomed. Congress ecosystem has been filled with such Sharda Prasads, since it was formed.
A letter from Sharda Prasad
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It is…those who were directly responsible for making a deal with the R.S.S and handing over the reins of the projected movement to Nana Deshmukh, have been rounded up. And all those organisers of RSS, Anand Marg, Jamat, the Chhatra Sangrash Samities or Jan Sanhrash Samiti of Bihar have also been nabbed.
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As for friends of India their instinct and yours and mine is right that this country and this person can never be despotic, and the entire operation was necessary to save our political structure. When we speak of our political structure or aims, the leftists only speak of socialism, the Anglo-US-European liberals only of pluralistic democracy, neither group gives much importance to secularism. Secularism is the base of Indian democracy. The cardinal mistake of JP and company was to hand over the controls to RSS and no man in his sense can ever say that an RSS-led Opposition Front can preserve a system based upon religious tolerance and equality.
Rahul Gandhi is surrounded by such advisors. No wonder he keeps on bashing RSS and calling them communal.
hatred for RSS and consolidation of hindus is in the DNA of congress.
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In order to win an election in multipolar contest you need to have a pull with the plurality of voters. Pappu keeps taking about Godse and and dictatorship of Modi.

He has no clue that if a large population of India is speaking of Mathma Gandhi in terms of majboori ke naam Mahatma Gandhi. ( The name of compulsion is Mahatma Gandhi) people are not really going to be bothered by Godse killing Gandhi.

Secondly, a plurality of Indians believe that it will take a Hitler to fix India. RaGa keeps comparing Modi will Hitler.

In this situation making comments that appeal to the uber woke in India is not going to be a winning strategy.
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It's not the advisors but the identity of congress. Why would congress have anything to do with Hindu identity? congress was designed to destroy that. Of course it will have nothing but anti Hindus. It's a british institution to enslave Hindus that still hasn't been destroyed.

In 1947 era tons of Hindus were sacrificed in the promise of Hindu nation and not a secular or communist or socialist nation. Every Hindu needs to recite this all the times. Every institute needs to be Hindu.
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Which country's SC has always been open 24/7 for anti Hindus? I always forget.
ISRO espionage case: Centre seeks urgent hearing, Supreme Court to hear matter next week
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/isro ... eek-375448
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Solicitor general Tushar Mehta, representing the Centre, requested the top court to take up the report for passing appropriate orders on Tuesday. Mehta submitted that the matter is of national importance.

A bench headed by Chief Justice S.A. Bobde said there is no doubt that the matter is important, but there is no urgency in hearing it. The top court, however, agreed to hear the matter next week.
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RajeevK wrote:I am not sure how many of you know or remember H. Y. Sharada Prasad. he was a media advisor to Indira Gandhi from late 1960s and also served as media advisor to Rajiv Gandhi when he was the prime minister.
As per wiki during his tenure with Indira Gandhi, Sharada Prasad was known to have assisted in the establishment of two notable institutions, the Indian Institute of Mass Communication and the National Institute of Design.

K Natwar Singh who was lifelong Congress writes for Sunday Guardian about his past experiences. He writes regularly for Sunday Guardian. Here is what he wrote recently about a A letter from Sharda Prasad. You can see the hatred and contempt for RSS within the Congress ecosystem and the excuses they come up with in support of emergency. And of course how important secularism is for India else we all doomed. Congress ecosystem has been filled with such Sharda Prasads, since it was formed.
A letter from Sharda Prasad
---
It is…those who were directly responsible for making a deal with the R.S.S and handing over the reins of the projected movement to Nana Deshmukh, have been rounded up. And all those organisers of RSS, Anand Marg, Jamat, the Chhatra Sangrash Samities or Jan Sanhrash Samiti of Bihar have also been nabbed.
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As for friends of India their instinct and yours and mine is right that this country and this person can never be despotic, and the entire operation was necessary to save our political structure. When we speak of our political structure or aims, the leftists only speak of socialism, the Anglo-US-European liberals only of pluralistic democracy, neither group gives much importance to secularism. Secularism is the base of Indian democracy. The cardinal mistake of JP and company was to hand over the controls to RSS and no man in his sense can ever say that an RSS-led Opposition Front can preserve a system based upon religious tolerance and equality.
Rahul Gandhi is surrounded by such advisors. No wonder he keeps on bashing RSS and calling them communal.
the mistake made by many is to believe the commie, congi, and lootyens paki manufactured dominant narrative of the RSS: that of "hatred and contempt".

They are absolutely terrified of what the RSS actually represents, its unprecedented reach, the unmatched organisational capacity, the dedicated, disciplined, and selfless cadres who work for all without any consideration of religious or political affinity, its funding raising acumen, and finally its ability to mobilize and respond to disaster and calamity situations at speeds unmatched by any FFNGO and finally the logistics chain that is activated almost instantly without any fanfare or publicity.

These cadres work willingly in conditions far worse than those faced by the victims themselves. We have all seen this in repeated instances where they are the first responders, often starting their relief work even before the "IAS led" local administration and machinery can even get their act together. in the field, the RSS leadership is decentralized and delegated with a strong focus on lines of communication

this often puts the FFNGOs, the desert cult organizations, and the vote grubbing local politicos and their parties to shame.

The RSS asks for no aid, no facilities, or even security from the affected state.

the RSS is the power behind the awakening of the long somnolent Hindu masses and this great fear of the awakening has set the cat among the BIF pigeons.

pappu and his BIF handlers now know the immense civilizational strength of the opposition that they are up against.

The RSS was there long before pappu and will remain long after pappu has been completely forgotten.
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darshan wrote:Which country's SC has always been open 24/7 for anti Hindus? I always forget.
ISRO espionage case: Centre seeks urgent hearing, Supreme Court to hear matter next week
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/isro ... eek-375448
....
Solicitor general Tushar Mehta, representing the Centre, requested the top court to take up the report for passing appropriate orders on Tuesday. Mehta submitted that the matter is of national importance.

A bench headed by Chief Justice S.A. Bobde said there is no doubt that the matter is important, but there is no urgency in hearing it. The top court, however, agreed to hear the matter next week.
...
The BJP is in election mode.

and the story of the commie, congi lot maliciously persecuting a Hindu scientist should play out well.
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https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/int ... nglet=full


Mediapart can reveal that, alongside this controversial deal, Dassault also agreed to pay one million euros to a middleman who is now under investigation in India in connection with another defense deal.

As usual the timing is impeccable., one wonders if the French secret service itself has anything to do with it!! .. meantime most indian media has latched on the rest of the news conveniently omitting that the middle man in question is already under investigation
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Which arms deal broker worth his salt will settle for Rs 8-10 crore commission these days when the deals is for Rs 50,000+ crores? :rotfl: The brokers will be worth hundreds of crores themselves! Many of our politicians and senior babus have hundreds of crores worth assets. Heck, Anil Deshmukh was accused of asking for Rs 100 crores every month, which is Rs 1200 crores per year on a recurring basis! Rs 8-10 crore is peanuts and I doubt any self-respecting arms deal broker will even agree to get Rs 50k crore deal for Rs 10 crore bribe :lol:
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https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status ... 76480?s=20
Happy to have met you and the brilliant Nambi Narayanan Ji. This film covers an important topic, which more people must know about.

Our scientists and technicians have made great sacrifices for our country, glimpses of which I could see in the clips of Rocketry.
Awww. Nice and all.

But the inhuman turdy cops, all 3 of them, who framed and tortured Dr Nambi retired in peace with pensions intact. Shame, no?
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If anyone thought that the congis, commies were fighting fair, see below.

It is a fact that the congis openly instigated come communities to demand the recognition that they were a separate "religion"

what next for these guys, a separate state



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https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/ ... 90241?s=20
UP Police has Sh0t one of four men accused of gangraping a Class 10 student in Meerut, when he and his accomplice tried to flee custody while being taken to court
Bravo. Am sure the other accused will also try to escape being taken to court.

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Hari Seldon wrote:https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status ... 76480?s=20
Happy to have met you and the brilliant Nambi Narayanan Ji. This film covers an important topic, which more people must know about.

Our scientists and technicians have made great sacrifices for our country, glimpses of which I could see in the clips of Rocketry.
Awww. Nice and all.

But the inhuman turdy cops, all 3 of them, who framed and tortured Dr Nambi retired in peace with pensions intact. Shame, no?

why can't they be investigated now.

No permission from anybody is required now to prosecute them because after retirement, they lose all such protections.

many errant govt servants are arrested after retirement when there is proof of wrong doing
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putnanja wrote:Which arms deal broker worth his salt will settle for Rs 8-10 crore commission these days when the deals is for Rs 50,000+ crores? :rotfl: The brokers will be worth hundreds of crores themselves! Many of our politicians and senior babus have hundreds of crores worth assets. Heck, Anil Deshmukh was accused of asking for Rs 100 crores every month, which is Rs 1200 crores per year on a recurring basis! Rs 8-10 crore is peanuts and I doubt any self-respecting arms deal broker will even agree to get Rs 50k crore deal for Rs 10 crore bribe :lol:
8-10 crores is usually what the office boy gets in such companies.
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chetak wrote:If anyone thought that the congis, commies were fighting fair, see below.

It is a fact that the congis openly instigated come communities to demand the recognition that they were a separate "religion"

what next for these guys, a separate state
I've spoken many a times here about the factionalism in Karnataka BJP and how gurus of several powerful muttas are behind it. These are the same "gurus" behind lingayat reservation agitation when just before the 2018 elections they went so far to claim that they should not be counted as "hindus"! Little do these traitors know that RoP/RoL have a long history of taking no prisoners, once they are through with Hindus, they will bury these non-Hindu gurus. We are truly cursed to have so many traitors amongst us.
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On a lighter note BRFites may remember "Moose Jattana" , this foul-mouthed young Punjabi sikh girl who was making plenty of noise on the singhu border and was a darling of the marxists-feminists on social media . At one point she had over 200k followers on tiktok and insta and gullible young kids and leftists were cheering her rants against farm bills, Modi and her frequent rabid hatred towards Hindus. Well, she finally went full mental and went live on instagram naked ! So far the farm bills have had two unintended consequences , it has made activists out of p0rn stars and wannabe p0rn stars out of activists !
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Ambar wrote:
chetak wrote:If anyone thought that the congis, commies were fighting fair, see below.

It is a fact that the congis openly instigated come communities to demand the recognition that they were a separate "religion"

what next for these guys, a separate state
I've spoken many a times here about the factionalism in Karnataka BJP and how gurus of several powerful muttas are behind it. These are the same "gurus" behind lingayat reservation agitation when just before the 2018 elections they went so far to claim that they should not be counted as "hindus"! Little do these traitors know that RoP/RoL have a long history of taking no prisoners, once they are through with Hindus, they will bury these non-Hindu gurus. We are truly cursed to have so many traitors amongst us.
I know many pilots and engineers in an aircraft charter company.

I have, on uncounted occasions, seen many of these "gurus" who would shed their robes and fly into other cities for the weekend dressed very fashionably.

no points for guesses as to what they were up to over the weekend holed up in some 5 star joint on an all expenses paid jaunt.

some of these guys always carried expensive handguns which, after much argument, they would be forced to hand over to the pilot for the duration of the flight.

so when people say that the govt should hand over temples, I often wonder to whom exactly would the govt hand over the temples.

Some of these gurus are corrupted way beyond belief.

Temple management should never be handed over to such guys ever or even any guru, for that matter
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The first thing many of these powerful swamys do when the money begins to flow is to start for-profit schools and colleges. Many powerful muttas in Karnataka own lucrative medical and engineering colleges that brings in crores of rupees in donations and fees. This is also another reason why they are so keen to call themselves a separate faith from Hindus so as to benefit from minority friendly RTE. The other business they get into is real estate, some of them have hundreds of acres of prime real estate in the form of wedding halls, conference centers, shopping complexes etc. The wellfare of the faith is the last thing on their minds. Hence it is a fallacy to believe freeing the temples from the government will somehow improve the m overnight, no, that is not happening unless the administration remains just as corrupt.
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Ambar wrote:The wellfare of the faith is the last thing on their minds. Hence it is a fallacy to believe freeing the temples from the government will somehow improve the m overnight, no, that is not happening unless the administration remains just as corrupt.
The welfare of faith will always be the last thing. Those mega church priests, pope with his gold gown etc don't have the welfare of christianity in their minds either. It's just a happy by-product of the entire thing. We'll never get anyone completely devoted to hinduism to run multi-billion business like temple management; but we *can* do is align the greed/interests of such swamys with those of hindu welfare.

Also don't think anyone believes that freeing the temples will somehow improve the management, almost certain it will degrade. And that's okay because at that time the control will be with hindus and with time we can improve it.
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Ambar wrote:The first thing many of these powerful swamys do when the money begins to flow is to start for-profit schools and colleges. Many powerful muttas in Karnataka own lucrative medical and engineering colleges that brings in crores of rupees in donations and fees. This is also another reason why they are so keen to call themselves a separate faith from Hindus so as to benefit from minority friendly RTE. The other business they get into is real estate, some of them have hundreds of acres of prime real estate in the form of wedding halls, conference centers, shopping complexes etc. The wellfare of the faith is the last thing on their minds. Hence it is a fallacy to believe freeing the temples from the government will somehow improve the m overnight, no, that is not happening unless the administration remains just as corrupt.
Ambar is right, I went to one such institution. These swamijis are very professional in their dealings and would put any businessman to shame. Freeing temples can be a can of worms so one needs to be careful. Maybe the Govt can pick a few temples and free them on a trial basis and then expand to other temples.
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How different is this from the Church money funding colleges? Why is this even an issue? The point is for the money from people to temple going back to people and not the govt. Are we saying church is somehow above corruption and hindu temple mgmt are not? bogus arguments - we are shooting ourselves in the foot...
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V_Raman wrote:How different is this from the Church money funding colleges? Why is this even an issue? The point is for the money from people to temple going back to people and not the govt. Are we saying church is somehow above corruption and hindu temple mgmt are not? bogus arguments - we are shooting ourselves in the foot...
They are saying that both are problematic which is the truth

no one wants a clone of the CSI or CNI setup or even the wakf setup.

we need a safe, democratic and fairly autonomous setup minus sly gurus and preening politicos playing the caste card to capture the temple administration and through that enhance and grow their financial muscle to reach their ultimate goal of CM/PM.
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There is no need to free temples. Just make a National Hindu Welfare Fund where money from all the top 100 temples across India is deposited every year. This Foundation will run welfare programs (temple maintenance, opening schools, orphanages and hospitals for Hindus). Currently the money from these temples goes to meet the general budget expenditure of the government, which is the main issue, or, worse, spend on churches and mosques. Hindus get nothing in the current system. Why is not Modi doing this?

Also, what is the problem in extending all the privileges given to minorities in the Constitution to Hindus too? Nobody will object to that.
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I would rather vote for taking over church/mosque. that will stop all foreign funding and all money based conversion activities will come down to a trickle.
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