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2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby m_saini » 01 Jan 2021 06:44

sudarshan wrote:Hindus should, as far as possible, stop donating to temples, at least for the present. Find ways to organize local youth as volunteers for upkeep or restoration, or service/ guard duty. The youth also develop a sense of ownership that way. Pujari salaries are tricky, going unofficial on those will invite govt. ire (loss of tax revenue?). But if anyway only 10% to 15% of the money actually goes to the temple, why not cut down donations by 85% and compensate with time and other volunteering commitments, including free meal, or even medical service to Pujaris by dedicated local doctors?

Donating money is the easy way out, seva is a more useful commitment.


Sudarshan sir, it'd be extremely hard to scale back donations as it's very often linked to devotion. People often get very emotional/devotional during major festivals like diwali, janmashtami etc and it's during such festivals when majority of donations are made. My grandmother would probably disown me if i try to convince her otherwise :mrgreen: And during such festivals, seva has more suitors then even a 40" LCD on a boxing day sale.

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Postby sudarshan » 01 Jan 2021 07:26

^ True. But then my mom keeps saying - why do we keep foolishly pouring money into temples and gold-plating them? Just so the next set of invaders can get tempted by the sight of blazing gold kalashas/ gopurams again?

Unfortunately, the invaders never left. However, it's possible to educate, making it an emotional issue to *not* donate. That's what happened in Sabarimalai, much to the horror of the management board. Even folks on this forum wrote up some emotional petitions to educate devotees to not donate, to not buy the "prasad" offerings, to just show up, do worship, and leave. It worked (for a while at least).

Rather than fight legislative or legal battles, the idea is to quietly change the ground situation, gently trickle down the money flow over a few years, so that the legislation/ legality has no option but to follow. Wresting control of the management sounds fine, but then to whom is the control to be given?

WRT seva, the idea is to make it a life-long commitment for ordinary folk, not just during emotional festival moments. Work on getting ordinary people involved in taking care of pujaris and informally in taking care of and renovating temples also. Formalizing it gives the govt. control in some sense. Local and informal management is more difficult for a govt. to own.

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Postby m_saini » 01 Jan 2021 08:53

^Perhaps they can form a council of the heads of the major hindu temples such as the Mallikarjuna Swamy, Somnath, Ranganathaswamy Temple, Akshardham temple, RJB temple etc and hand over the control (along with the money) to them.

I'm really in favor of a central authority that can put the immense donations to a proper use and work for the safety and continuation of hindu faith. Decentralized anything imo is just a recipe for disaster. Yes, it allowed hinduism to continue to exist during centuries of foreign rule but perhaps a centralized structure could've avoided the whole thing altogether like the church did during the crusades.

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Postby sudarshan » 01 Jan 2021 09:28

Saini ji, I was talking about a relatively temporary measure to change the ground reality. If the state finds that temple funds are drying up, then it would be easier to bring in the legislation to hand over control to Hindus. In the meantime, as Hindus get more involved with temple seva on a regular basis (not just during festival times), it is also easier to educate them about issues. As and when temple management effectively shifts to local bodies (informal ones, not formal bodies with boards and offices and salaries and tax obligations), it would be easier to coalesce these local agencies into bigger entities. Once critical mass is attained, formalization is - well - a mere formality. In the end, we don't want one central authority either, a relative oligopoly might be better. So if one body performs inefficiently, some kind of merger/ acquisition strategy might work.

Frankly, these kinds of organizational details are far beyond my field and capability, I'm like a fish out of water. Just throwing out an idea, though I do feel that formal change being rather unattainable right now, informal change might be a better option, to shift the ground gradually.

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Postby m_saini » 01 Jan 2021 10:57

My apologies sir, i read the "but then to whom is the control to be given?" part and just started rambling. Reading your post again, it's clear it was a rhetorical question.

The grass-root level bottom-up approach is a pretty neat idea but imo scaling back the temple donations all over india and then convincing people to start donating again seems like a daunting effort. On the other hand the top down approach (of forming a central authority first and giving them the control) I had in mind faces the equally tough challenge of convincing the state to give up control of such a cash printing machine in the first place. Either way it wouldn't be easy to use temple money solely for temple causes and I'd support whichever way works the fastest.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sanjayc » 01 Jan 2021 11:45

KLNMurthy wrote:
sanjayc wrote:^^ This is "adult infantilism" -- seen in Dravidians, Muslims, Christians, leftists, and other sundry monotheists. An inability to think straight, ruled by emotions, easy to manipulate and brainwash, low EQ levels ...

If such a long list of generally unrelated categories of people is subject to whatever it is then it’s a safe bet that “it” has little or nothing to do with whatever characterization you decided to put out there as linking those categories.


It is a state of mind which is common in those who fanatically believe in something without asking for any evidence or verification (monotheists, Khalistanis, Dravidians, communists, etc.) - the main characteristic is that they lose the ability to think for themselves and they won't change their mind regardless of how much actual evidence you present to them. Try arguing with a diehard communist or Bible thumper or Dravidian-Periyarist or a rabid Mullah -- you will see this phenomenon where they deliberately prevent their mind from considering evidence or argument that may compromise their views.

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Postby nvishal » 01 Jan 2021 13:01

It isn't infantile. You are assuming they are of unsound mind.
It's actually plain mischief. They know what they are doing.
They know there is no consequence and they can get away.

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Postby venkat_kv » 01 Jan 2021 13:14

The issue of temple management is different in different states i believe, but in the state of AP and Telangana the govt has a temple hundi and takes the whole money and gives a salary for the pujari and temple priests. its was 2500 or so in early 2000/2002 time frame. one way to do more was to give the priest money directly when he comes for the shat-goppam/thirtham instead of putting it in the hundi which goes to the govt.

There is a temple in the place of "Chilukur" for Lord Balaji which also became famous as a visa god (lot of engineering graduates and software guys planning for overseas visit planned a visit to this temple). The chief priest of the temple would always tell devotees to tell the then state govt. headed by CBN to not install a hundi in the temple and the temple would be supported by the benefactors who originally left lands for the temple. Placing a temple hundi brings the temple under the control of state govt and with some officer left to lead the affairs of the temple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPrB27tYOPU


this is the interview of Ratan Sharda in Srijan talks. At around the 17:30 mark the discussion veers on the discussions of Hindu temples and govt control and why the Modi govt is seemingly not doing anything. Mr. Sharda's response will be downer for people expecting some kind of change from the status quo as he wants hindus to first take charge and maintain them (gives example of Vaishnodevi's Mandir and the mismanagement by the people there who were Hindus themselves).

it also ties a bit into what some posters alluded that we need to have some set of common principles to run the temple trusts. Every temple will still have interference from govt or officials if its making money, they will be after the money by hook or crook to get their representative on temple board so as to take as much as possible.

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Postby chetak » 01 Jan 2021 14:59

venkat_kv wrote:The issue of temple management is different in different states i believe, but in the state of AP and Telangana the govt has a temple hundi and takes the whole money and gives a salary for the pujari and temple priests. its was 2500 or so in early 2000/2002 time frame. one way to do more was to give the priest money directly when he comes for the shat-goppam/thirtham instead of putting it in the hundi which goes to the govt.

There is a temple in the place of "Chilukur" for Lord Balaji which also became famous as a visa god (lot of engineering graduates and software guys planning for overseas visit planned a visit to this temple). The chief priest of the temple would always tell devotees to tell the then state govt. headed by CBN to not install a hundi in the temple and the temple would be supported by the benefactors who originally left lands for the temple. Placing a temple hundi brings the temple under the control of state govt and with some officer left to lead the affairs of the temple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPrB27tYOPU


this is the interview of Ratan Sharda in Srijan talks. At around the 17:30 mark the discussion veers on the discussions of Hindu temples and govt control and why the Modi govt is seemingly not doing anything. Mr. Sharda's response will be downer for people expecting some kind of change from the status quo as he wants hindus to first take charge and maintain them (gives example of Vaishnodevi's Mandir and the mismanagement by the people there who were Hindus themselves).

it also ties a bit into what some posters alluded that we need to have some set of common principles to run the temple trusts. Every temple will still have interference from govt or officials if its making money, they will be after the money by hook or crook to get their representative on temple board so as to take as much as possible.


The people who will surely wind up "running" temples in the south are the so called politicians of the regional parties whose vote banks are mired in caste and sectarian concerns.

coupled with this are the many notorious "mutt heads/swamijis" who are evil personified and who are already running mutts and temples to "benefit" their narrow caste/community interests, and these people are almost daily in the news for "demanding" cabinet berths and lucrative ministers posts for their "supporters"

where will the dalits go as they are mostly unwelcome in popular temples and the so called lower castes who are shunned by all as far as their legitimate rights go.

This will cause social tensions, upheavals, dissensions and assertions of caste identities which will only fragment the community and the united spectrum of Hindu voters.

let us first build consensus and evolve quickly a system of temple administration that is equitable, just and representative of the community at large.

at the end of the day, we will still have crackpots who will allow namaz and sermons to be held inside "their" temple, squandering resources in a futile attempt to prove that they are the most sickular of all, a very common, ancient and fatal hindu failing with repeatedly proven disastrous consequences.

that nonsense about unity in diversity is just so much claptrap designed to lull and trap the Hindus into inaction.

Let us keep our diversity at home where it belongs and publicly project a strong Hindu unity that is capable of serving the imperative requirements of a community that needs to resurrect itself and also rid itself of all false guilt and build a nation like all the others have unabashedly done calling themselves either xtian or muslim nations

except for some really dumb Hindus, I have yet to hear of anyone else sing "Ishwar allah tero nam" The others think that it's blasphemy whereas we seem to think that it is part of our dharma.

the ropers have taken away more than their legitimate share and gone away so why are we still so very defensive and apologetic about how we should rebuild what remains with us. whose approval are we awaiting, whose blessings are we still seeking and why :mrgreen:

Temples were once the very root of our economic, civilizational and cultural power and that is why they were taken away from us and our futures were deliberately sabotaged so that we would not be able to rise again, we were compromised by our own leaders and the naturally resilient and aspirational majority were willfully defanged and cowed down by the elites of the minorities who aligned with the traitorous BIF controlled commie congi gang that ran roughshod over us ever since 1947.

They were initially shown the way by the britshits on how to subjugate the Hindus using a small elite group and they have all learned their lessons well

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Postby chetak » 01 Jan 2021 19:21

the so called liberal "Indian" press has been reduced to this vacuous situation by the BJP


this one is a particularly affected bleeding ass liberal whose hitherto profitable appearance in the radia durbar has been severely curtailed because he has nothing of value to sell or barter.

so, more often than not, he is reduced to writing set pieces on samosas and tandoori chicken as befits this hack and his limited repertoire of literary capabilities and his unlimited avarice for 5 star freeloading.

@virsanghvi forgets that the first step to good governance is the undisputed ability to win elections without being dependent on so called goodwill of mercenary "allies" like cbn, mehbooba, abdullahs or nitishwa.

everything else comes after that.

and what these bitterly disappointed woke hacks are calling "majoritarian" is actually democracy for the rest of us.

The decisive victory at the hustings that has been fairly fought, cleanly wrested and triumphantly won, sans violence.



"there is much more to governance than winning elections. All liberal democracies, even those with majority governments, are essentially coalitions. You cannot run them on a purely majoritarian basis."

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Postby Ambar » 01 Jan 2021 21:30

chetak wrote:The people who will surely wind up "running" temples in the south are the so called politicians of the regional parties whose vote banks are mired in caste and sectarian concerns.

coupled with this are the many notorious "mutt heads/swamijis" who are evil personified and who are already running mutts and temples to "benefit" their narrow caste/community interests, and these people are almost daily in the news for "demanding" cabinet berths and lucrative ministers posts for their "supporters"


where will the dalits go as they are mostly unwelcome in popular temples and the so called lower castes who are shunned by all as far as their legitimate rights go.

This will cause social tensions, upheavals, dissensions and assertions of caste identities which will only fragment the community and the united spectrum of Hindu voters.


This is correct and i've made the same point several times when people beat their chests how Modi abandoned them by not freeing the temples from the clutches of the government. Every temple is managed differently, many temples in the south are run by families or temple boards where people on the board are either from certain selected community or are closely aligned with the government in power. Richer the temples, more the power struggle between factions trying to wrest the control. It is not just the board but there is factionalism among priests too. I don't know how mosques and churches operate smoothly or maybe they too have internal skirmishes but we don't hear about it. Whatever it is just saying that governments freeing the temples will miraculously improve the temples is simplistic view, even if that happens i can guarantee that most temple boards will do nothing to for dharma outside of enriching themselves.

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Postby Kaivalya » 01 Jan 2021 23:58

^^^

True indeed. I have also seen a pragmatic approach around trying strategies in a state, learning lessons and gradually growing it.

Here is a sample strategy that has started in Assam :

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/31/india/islamic-schools-assam-india-intl-hnk/index.html

If state has to be secular , what is the justification for it to be running a madrasa? Why would state run only one kind of institution and force it to be secular and ignore others? Or worse run a madrasa specifically making it non secular? These vaccinations have to start in some state and continue in others. There are different vaccinations needed in different states.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 02 Jan 2021 00:32

The problem is more fundamental than this.

The western territories were gifted so that minorities of India could live according to their genius. Hindus, Sikhs and Christians are treated like sh!t but imbecilic India subsidises practices such as pilgrimages. And of course it is not for any altruistic reason.

Zara apne girebaan mein jhank ke dekhiye and all that.

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Postby darshan » 02 Jan 2021 03:20

If anything it should be other way around. With mass poverty of Hindu people and non Hindus holding disproportionate amount of lands, it's non Hindus that should have been giving money to Hindus to reduce poverty.


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Postby vijayk » 02 Jan 2021 09:06

https://openthemagazine.com/cover-stori ... ndra-modi/
Leadership Lessons from Narendra Modi

Modi’s leadership in the fight against the Wuhan-origin virus, however, highlighted how difficult it was to rigidly box the prime minister in the dogmatic constructs of his most strident critics, in both politics and civil society. Contrary to the contrived perception-engineering by his detractors that he heeded solely his own and often uninformed counsel, marginalising expert advice (Modi himself has publicly weighed in on the side of ‘hard work’ as opposed to Harvard), the prime minister widely consulted experts, public health policy-makers, virologists and medical personnel when the extent of the crisis first became clear, before deciding to ban flights to India. That ban came a whole week before even the World Health Organization (WHO) declared Covid-19 officially a pandemic. Announcing a nationwide lockdown despite the risk of a tanking popularity rating staring him in the face could not have been easy. Not an easy task, by any means, given the size and demographic complexity of the subcontinent, multiplicity of opinions and a political class opposed to his every move. But Modi prevailed and went ahead with preparing the nation to face the problem despite the fact that a pandemic of this proportion had not been witnessed by the world or India in a century. And that the institutional experience of the country to tackle it was virtually nil. Resources were scarce, facilities were limited and everything, from hospital beds, oxygen cylinders, containment centres, ambulances, medical and paramedical personnel, hazmat suits, Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) kits, sanitisers, Covid combat literacy, to even face masks, appeared to be in short supply. The logistical challenges alone seemed insurmountable. In opting for a decisive response, the prime minister was ostensibly setting himself up for a Himalayan failure, a political self-goal.


Read in full

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Postby Kakkaji » 02 Jan 2021 10:23

Farmers needn’t fear agri-corporates, capital injection in agriculture is crucial to benefit from scale

The role of corporates, especially in agriculture marketing, is far too significant as they can transfer a greater portion of the consumer rupee to farmers.

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Postby sanjayc » 02 Jan 2021 11:23

Shashi Tharoor
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· Dec 31, 2020
Of course I’ll be accused of elitism & pseudo-intellectual sneering, but can it be mere coincidence that the less people read, the lower literacy & social development they enjoy & the more they practice untouchability, the more they are inclined to vote for the BJP!?


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Right. To build upon this cutting-edge analysis, here's a bit of historical context.
1960 - Literacy: 28%; Congress: 371 Lok Sabha seats
1980 - Literacy: 43%; Congress: 163 seats
2000 - Literacy: 64%; Congress: 114 seats
2020 - Literacy: 78%; Congress: 52 seats

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Postby vimal » 02 Jan 2021 11:29

It seems like the String Reveals Hindu youtube channel got hacked and the Hindi channel is still in hacker's control.
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Postby chetak » 02 Jan 2021 14:59

In 2020 China built 2000 Km of high-speed rail tracks. While in India we mock first HSR corridor. We vandalise telecom towers. We vandalise foreign manufacturing companies in India. We are doomed to remain stuck in low-income category. Happy New Year. May better sense prevail


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Postby chetak » 02 Jan 2021 15:54

pissing off a whole lot of pappus, pappis, commies, congis and woke lootyens durbaris :mrgreen:


Modi's lowest approval rating in 2020 was higher than the highest approval rating of any other major democratic leader.

I can't recall any democratic leader in recent memory whose approval ratings have been this consistently high for this long (six years).


https://morningconsult.com/form/global-leader-approval/#section-56



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Postby Tanaji » 02 Jan 2021 17:06

Tractor parade on 26th Jan:

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... 6-7129911/

I guess this was to be expected, it is standard tactics to use the Republic day to cause maximum disruption

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Postby Cyrano » 02 Jan 2021 17:07

The French love to hate their leaders, no matter who it is.

The support to NaMo is heartening. People are no longer duped by leftist rhetoric.

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Postby nvishal » 02 Jan 2021 18:35

^ The sikh protests already flopped 2 weeks back. Don't expect modi or amit shah to pay attention to them anymore. The customary talks are being handled by agricultural minister N tomar.

The next predictable step of these protests will be violence, to break into delhi perimeters and cause chaos. The participants will go jaded if they hang around the border for too long(funding group will bail out) or they'll be clamped down if they try to break the perimeter.

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Postby vijayk » 02 Jan 2021 19:28

I also hope the vaccine administration will totally eclipse these protests.

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Postby vijayk » 02 Jan 2021 19:49

vimal wrote:It seems like the String Reveals Hindu youtube channel got hacked and the Hindi channel is still in hacker's control.
Please support this channel. https://www.patreon.com/m_vinodh


Done .... Patreon really gives an opportunity to support these initiatives.

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Postby chetak » 02 Jan 2021 20:12

Tanaji wrote:Tractor parade on 26th Jan:

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... 6-7129911/

I guess this was to be expected, it is standard tactics to use the Republic day to cause maximum disruption


it is the presence of the world/foreign press and the state visit of the UK head of govt that has got that guttersnipe yadav in heat.

He is trying to leverage his position just like the ropers did in shsheenbagh during trumpwa's visit.

I see a longish spell of "protective" custody in his near future.

after khujliwal, and bushan the legal chicken, this guy is one of the filthiest politicians in India.

this time around, the ropers and the khalistanis are playing the long game from behind the scenes :mrgreen:

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Postby Kamal_raj » 02 Jan 2021 20:19

:roll:
nvishal wrote:The next predictable step of these protests will be violence, to break into delhi perimeters and cause chaos. The participants will go jaded if they hang around the border for too long(funding group will bail out) or they'll be clamped down if they try to break the perimeter.


That is the whole point of these protest. Not sure if Boris is still coming? I hope he is not able to come so that there will not be any opportunity to do some drama.

The whole idea is to do violence on 26th Jan and then claim “intolerance” Just like when Trump came to India.

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Postby chetak » 02 Jan 2021 22:11

Cyrano wrote:The French love to hate their leaders, no matter who it is.

The support to NaMo is heartening. People are no longer duped by leftist rhetoric.


The reasons for the french support are complex but the most recent trigger is the gratitude that they are showing for Modi's unconditional support to macron after the beheading of the teacher.

nevertheless, support from any corner is always welcome.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Suraj » 02 Jan 2021 23:28

There's a repeated argument about freeing up control of temples. I'd like to turn that question around:

How do you want temple management and control to be done ?

This has to be a straightforward, legally sound, simple and easily replicable approach that everyone finds easy to do. Can to describe how it would be ?

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Postby Tanaji » 02 Jan 2021 23:57

I think the simplest change would be a law that mandates any amount collected from the hundis would be used exclusively for upkeep of Hindu temples or any hospitals/schools run by them for the public and for no other purpose.

That should address the main pain point in my opinion.

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Postby m_saini » 03 Jan 2021 01:37

Here's a great article on alternate temple management.

Hindu Temple Management : The Way Ahead

-Collectives in the form of committees or trusts can be formed from among the devotees or from the locality to govern a temple’s affairs, and from this an executive body can be elected.

-Such bodies would be re-elected periodically and from each of them, a few can be elected to a committee at the Panchayat level.

-In a similar way District level Committees can be formed. From these, the representatives can form a State level body.

-Such a three-tier arrangement should be insulated from political interference by legal mandate. It should be ensured that political workers cannot be permitted into, in any of these committees.

-The great temples or Mahakshetras can be under the direct control of the District level body. Through the state level body, the income from the temples should be divided among all temples in an equitable manner to ensure that all of them have sufficient funding to conduct their activities.

-Other activities, such as running education institutions, service centres, centres providing labour, schools of Dharma, Veda and Pooja, all should be done at the district and state levels in an established manner.

-If a Board for Santana Dharma studies is established at the state level, it can train teachers, conduct regular classes and periodic examinations and issue certificates.


I really like the above approach with some changes. The whole business of committees, trusts or elections at a "locality level" should be done away with. Instead there should be a national level committee, which holds absolute power, that does the state level appointments and so on. At the state level, the committees would advise a committee head who can also be held responsible and replaced if desired. Same structure at district and "locality" level. There's too much blame game and too little accountability in "committees and trusts".

Ofcourse, the above depends on the national committee being completely devoted to dharma.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 03 Jan 2021 03:42

Suraj wrote:There's a repeated argument about freeing up control of temples. I'd like to turn that question around:

How do you want temple management and control to be done ?

This has to be a straightforward, legally sound, simple and easily replicable approach that everyone finds easy to do. Can to describe how it would be ?


Let me take a shot at a very very rough off-the-top-of-the-head outline:

- focus on major shrines like Tirupati for now

- bicameral representative body (strengths TBD)

- lower house elected by an electorate consisting of all devotees who have made the pilgrimage or made & fulfilled a vow (mokku / vratam in Telugu) at home. ;could be extended with an application/ approval process TBD) Voting system could be proportional representation or first past the post.

- seats in lower house allotted on the basis of “sangat” or worship communities which may be physical or virtual.

- upper house consisting of TBD number of representatives elected by traditional, i.e., recognizable / recognized Hindu jati groupings using proportional representation and top-TBD number of Hindu sages and scholars in Agama sastras elected at-large by the lower house electorate using ranked choice

- lower house debates mundane matters and appoints CEO, COO, CFO, Chief Security Officer, Chief Service Officer, and other executive functionaries for the mundane realm

- Chief Security Officer commands a troop of Dwarapalakas (guards of the deity) and reports to CEO as well as Chief Sanctity Officer.

- upper house debates matters of theology, spirituality etc. as pertains to the deity. Appoints Chief Sanctity Officer who maintains the integrity and sacredness of the deity and His / Her realm.

-upper house also appoints the election commission for the next election cycle which takes place every 10 years.

-initial bootstrap process of the system TBD

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby Suraj » 03 Jan 2021 04:25

Thanks for your inputs on this. My thought process runs like this - I think one of the impediments to the question of freeing temples is 'and then what ?' I don't want a USSR-redux at this level - an existing broken system falling apart only to be replaced by many small fiefdoms of anarchy. In my view, the strongest impetus for this will come from a simple approach that can be replicated successfully.

Some necessities:
* The administrative apparatus should be low on bureaucratic interest. It should not turn into a den of influence peddling and 'life chairman' nonsense like some regional sammelan/mandram/associations are. Those in charge should be in it because it gives them a living wage but primarily because of their devotion and not their hunger for power. The idea of a parliamentary apparatus / CxOs etc gives me a headache in this regard...
* A modern investment vehicle for temple wealth is needed, that enables generally hands off wealth management that can then enable the temple to fund charitable activities, education, health and other social care activities. This IMHO needs involvement of entities like LIC to establish long term annuity/trust investment vehicles that are run generally hands off by professional fund managers.
* Taxation must be exactly the same for all religions. Absolutely no compromise possible here.
* People should be able to easily associate with their local temple, or switch to a new one when they transfer. It builds communities, and establishes kinship groups locally. A new member is welcomed and invited to be part of prayer activities, to volunteer in charitable actions etc.
* Temples must be modern, clean, sanitary and inspiring. Yes they can be old, stepped in tradition, but they must be clean and modern in terms of amenities and 'quality of life' for worshippers. Hindus going to pray need to all come out of the temple feeling proud and happy with the state of their places of worship.

This is fundamentally a conglomerate structure with franchise level entities. It needs to be viewed as a sophisticated business, with the best business management practices at this level being used to run it.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby m_saini » 03 Jan 2021 05:32

I love the idea of an investment vehicle which i think a lot of people just never think about.

Still I think the question of 'and then what?' should never be an impediment in freeing temples. You can't continue to fund hajj yatras with temple donations just because there aren't any universally accepted detailed temple management plans available; just like you can't kidnap someone and hold them hostage until they give you their 10-year career and personal plans.

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sudarshan » 03 Jan 2021 05:39

vijayk wrote:Image

new game in the town


X-post from Chinavirus thread.

OK, so if this vaccine is successful, BJP should take full credit for the vaccine as its own personal invention (patent pending), since the opposition has openly and officially certified it as being "BJP's vaccine."

I think the vaccine can also be distributed under the trademark name "BJP vaccine." Although I'd wait and see what the side effects are on that one.

But vaccine or not, the trajectory of the case and deaths count plots in India and abroad speaks for itself. No need to quibble about "don't know what may happen tomorrow," just - BJP - unabashedly take credit for bringing the charts down (yes, Modi personally grabbed the lines on the chart and yanked them down).

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Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Postby sanjaykumar » 03 Jan 2021 05:56

Indian politics never ending race to the bottom :roll:

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Postby vera_k » 03 Jan 2021 11:05

^ Well, USA had the same issue with opposition leaders fearing that corners were cut while developing vaccines. Government should provide as much information as possible about the vaccines and let people make up their minds.

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