2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 01 Jul 2022 23:03

Prem Kumar wrote: Sadly, as one Swamiji said in a video posted recently, the BJP seems more keen on reaping the political fruits of Hindu deaths than in preventing/avenging them

Tend to agree with you. BJP Sr. Leadership seems to be likening this idea that some one will harm (or worse kill) Nupur Sharma and 56-inch and company can start giving lectures on how they will take revenge provided they are given a good majority once again . Simply put use Hindu misery to be in power. Kerala BJP leadership (not any where near power) thinks in similar lines, but looks like the disease is spreading wider.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Jul 2022 23:06

^^
siege mentality: we are under siege so give me more power

achy · Post by **achy** » 01 Jul 2022 23:17

Hindus have outsourced their bravery to BJP. So all we do is rant when BJP does not protect us. Till hindus learn to PROTECT themselves, this will keep happening. Again and again. We can rant and keep ranting.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 01 Jul 2022 23:18

Larry Walker wrote: Also the observations were oral and by the second judge and not Justice Kant

If you mean Justice Pardiwala is the one who spoke harsh words and not Justice Surya Kant, please provide some links. All reports quoted Justice Surya Kant as the one saying those anti-Nupur comments

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 01 Jul 2022 23:23

achy wrote:Hindus have outsourced their bravery to BJP. So all we do is rant when BJP does not protect us. Till hindus learn to PROTECT themselves, this will keep happening. Again and again. We can rant and keep ranting.

And what is the Hindu doing wrong here? In a democracy you do just that: you depend on the three arms:
- outsource defence of own interest to elected reps
- outsource defence of life/property to govt via its law enforcement
- outsource retribution and dealing justice to courts.

Unless you want an anarchy in which one side will be fragmented while the other side will be bound by solid ideologies and communal networks, desist from this rho-dho about “hindus need to take direct action” etc, particularly when there is a govt that has a favourable record than others in these matters. Right now only the BJP and Sangh has a chance to put up a fair fight. Not Hindus at a personal level

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 01 Jul 2022 23:23

vijayk wrote: Govt. can't take SC head on.

But the parliament can, if they want to.

https://www.scobserver.in/journal/numbe ... urt-judge/

Under Article 124(4) and 124(5), a judge of the Supreme Court (and High Court (see Article 217) can be removed from his office by an order of the President. The President can issue the removal order after an address by the Parliament. The motion to remove the judge must be supported by a special majority of each House of Parliament. A special majority is a majority of the total membership of that House AND a majority of at least two-thirds of the members of that house present and voting.

V. Ramaswami J was the first judge against whom impeachment proceedings were initiated. In 1993, the motion was brought up in Lok Sabha but failed to secure the required two-thirds majority.

Soumitra Sen J of the Calcutta High Court resigned in 2011 after the Rajya Sabha passed an impeachment motion against him. He was the first judge to have been impeached by the Upper House for misconduct.

In 2015, 58 members of the Rajya Sabha moved an impeachment notice against J.B. Pardiwala J of the Gujarat High Court for his “objectionable remarks on the issue of reservation.”

In 2017, Rajya Sabha MPs moved a motion to initiate impeachment proceedings against C.V. Nagarjuna Reddy J of the High Court for Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.

In March 2018, opposition parties signed a draft proposal for moving an impeachment motion against Dipak Misra CJI.

Note: Amidst charges of corruption, land-grab, and abuse of judicial office, P.D. Dinakaran J, Chief Justice of the Sikkim High Court, against whom the Rajya Sabha Chairman had set up a judicial panel to look into allegations of corruption, resigned in July 2011, before impeachment proceedings could be initiated against him.

Justice Pardiwala has been in trouble before it seems like. Bear in mind that in 2015 when INC was out of power and reduced to its lowest tally in the LS, those 58 RS MP's who went after him were led by Digvijay Singh.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 01 Jul 2022 23:26

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/ ... 2360379397

Naila Inayat
@nailainayat
Protest against alleged blasphemy of a WiFi device in Karachi. Mob gathered after a WiFi device installed in Star City Mall, allegedly posted blasphemous comments. Protesters vandalised Samsung billboards accusing the company of blasphemy. Police detained 27 Samsung employees.

check the video

WOW! Now Samsung has to apologize and banned or their CEO has to be headed? Our supreme lords might weigh in

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 01 Jul 2022 23:27

hnair wrote:And what is the Hindu doing wrong here? In a democracy you do just that: you depend on the three arms:
- outsource defence of own interest to elected reps
- outsource defence of life/property to govt via its law enforcement
- outsource retribution and dealing justice to courts.

Unless you want an anarchy in which one side will be fragmented while the other side will be bound by solid ideologies and communal networks, desist from this rho-dho about “hindus need to take direct action” etc, particularly when there is a govt that has a favourable record than others in these matters. Right now only the BJP and Sangh has a chance to put up a fair fight. Not Hindus at a personal level

Hindus need to realize the power of coming on the street and protesting. It seems that is the only thing which works. He who makes the most nuisance of himself gets the cake in India. Even the SC is justifying that now.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 01 Jul 2022 23:30

nachiket wrote:
vijayk wrote: Govt. can't take SC head on.
But the parliament can, if they want to.

Forgot to answer vijayk. Yes, thanks Nachiket. Legislature can start off proceedings of impeachment of these two and this will at-least put some concern into the minds of the wayward among judiciary. Judiciary cannot and should not be allowed to hide behind the self-appointed title of “Custodians of Constitution” while at same time, throw out free-speech as “not part of fundamental nature of constitution”

But GoI has been silent on this and I doubt the BJP too will come out swinging. The day they threw out Nupur Sharma, it became clear the party uppers got influenced by other non-political interests

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 01 Jul 2022 23:31

hnair wrote:A reset of Kesvananda Bharti verdict is well nigh. Claiming custodianship of Fundamental nature of constitution etc took a huge hit today and the justices should be made aware of the lack of confidence by the other arms of power.

Time for kicking off an impeachment process (even if party arithmetic won’t allow its success ) and NJAC implementation has come. Too many things are sliding.

The learned accounts of the kesavananda case are fascinating: they are all in opaque English with lots of grammatical errors, and expound at length about the deep significance of the judgment etc.

Not one of them address the basic question : Did the court say that Kesavananda Bharati’s property should be returned to him by the state of Kerala or not?

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 01 Jul 2022 23:36

nachiket wrote: Hindus need to realize the power of coming on the street and protesting. It seems that is the only thing which works. He who makes the most nuisance of himself gets the cake in India. Even the SC is justifying that now.

Agreed and the best mechanism to do that right now is via the biggest democratic political party (by votes received) in history, the BJP. And that is where things are getting disquieting when you throw out your spokesperson and grovel in front of ME nations.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 01 Jul 2022 23:39

hnair wrote: Forgot to answer vijayk. Yes, thanks Nachiket. Legislature can start off proceedings of impeachment of these two and this will at-least put some concern into the minds of the wayward among judiciary. Judiciary cannot and should not be allowed to hide behind the self-appointed title of “Custodians of Constitution” while at same time, throw our free-speech as “not part of fundamental nature of constitution”

Democracy can only work if there are checks and balances on every pillar. And right now the higher judiciary is enjoying unchecked power and as a result are riding roughshod on the rights of ordinary citizens. This is only the most recent example of this phenomenon. And some people are repeat offenders. In 2014 while this Pardiwala was a Gujarat HC judge, he had legitimized the marriage of a 15 year old Muslim girl because according to Muslim law a girl can be married once she attains puberty. He basically allowed the statutory rape of a minor because of Muslim law. Justice Pardiwala seems to have forgotten that his ancestors ran away from Persia and came to India to escape said Muslim law which he is so eager to put into practice in India.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 01 Jul 2022 23:40

hnair wrote:
nachiket wrote: But the parliament can, if they want to.

Forgot to answer vijayk. Yes, thanks Nachiket. Legislature can start off proceedings of impeachment of these two and this will at-least put some concern into the minds of the wayward among judiciary. Judiciary cannot and should not be allowed to hide behind the self-appointed title of “Custodians of Constitution” while at same time, throw our free-speech as “not part of fundamental nature of constitution”

But GoI has been silent on this and I doubt the BJP too will come out swinging. The day they threw out Nupur Sharma, it became clear the party uppers got influenced by other non-political interests

I agree ... this is the story of snake and sadhu. It is like snake not scaring people almost got him killed.
If you don't assert power, they lose it. Modi doesn't seem to understand.

We need young turks who can take on anyone

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 01 Jul 2022 23:42

hnair wrote:
achy wrote:Hindus have outsourced their bravery to BJP. So all we do is rant when BJP does not protect us. Till hindus learn to PROTECT themselves, this will keep happening. Again and again. We can rant and keep ranting.
And what is the Hindu doing wrong here? In a democracy you do just that: you depend on the three arms:
- outsource defence of own interest to elected reps
- outsource defence of life/property to govt via its law enforcement
- outsource retribution and dealing justice to courts.

Unless you want an anarchy in which one side will be fragmented while the other side will be bound by solid ideologies and communal networks, desist from this rho-dho about “hindus need to take direct action” etc, particularly when there is a govt that has a favourable record than others in these matters. Right now only the BJP and Sangh has a chance to put up a fair fight. Not Hindus at a personal level

There is something between individual Hindus futilely picking fights with Muslim qaum & getting beheaded for their pains and docilely going about their lives and trusting the government to protect them.

Unless grassroots Hindus demonstrate political muscle, no government, BJP or not, will lift a finger for them. That’s the core nature of politics.

If the Indian state can live with a handful of Hindus being beheaded by angry Muslims, there is no reason why it can’t live with a teeny-weeny bit of retaliatory “activism,” without facing the specter of anarchy.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 01 Jul 2022 23:45

hnair wrote: Agreed and the best mechanism to do that right now is via the biggest democratic political party (by votes received) in history, the BJP. And that is where things are getting disquieting when you throw out your spokesperson and grovel in front of ME nations.

I will disagree. We are suffering right now because of a lack of religious organization which can do this. Muslims don't rely on Congress or MIM for their street power. Any 2 bit Mullah can summon a mob and call for people's heads in India. Political parties have limitations and will follow whoever shouts the loudest. This is a religious battle at this point and our lack of organization is a huge problem as usual.

Pashupatastra · Post by **Pashupatastra** » 01 Jul 2022 23:59

IndraD wrote:https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/154 ... UDt6SPIiPw
Guess who elevated Suryakant to the Supreme Court? Our divine prime minister Sri Sri Sri Sri Sri Kalki Bhagawan in 2018, despite serious charges of tax evasion & corruption. So much for na khaoonga na “khaane doonga”.
https://caravanmagazine.in/law/surya-ka ... ax-evasion brazen cases of corruption on judge suryakant

New quote appkicable to this government - " Na Hindu Hoon , Na Hindu rehne doonga"

The real Chankian strategy would be to have Nupur Sharma stand against Modi in 2024 elections as an independent and see who is the real " Hindu Hriday Samrat/Samragi".

The real mettle of Yogi and Himanta would get tested if they have it in them not to kow tow the line of corrupted DNA of RSS and call a spade a spade

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 02 Jul 2022 00:35

Sachin wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote: Sadly, as one Swamiji said in a video posted recently, the BJP seems more keen on reaping the political fruits of Hindu deaths than in preventing/avenging them
Tend to agree with you. BJP Sr. Leadership seems to be likening this idea that some one will harm (or worse kill) Nupur Sharma and 56-inch and company can start giving lectures on how they will take revenge provided they are given a good majority once again . Simply put use Hindu misery to be in power. Kerala BJP leadership (not any where near power) thinks in similar lines, but looks like the disease is spreading wider.

What people question is not just the competence of the BJP high command but the duplicity and hypocrisy. A PM who never tired mocking former PM Manmohan Singh for his silence, today struggles to find time or words to say anything about the slow elimination and destruction of hindus, their rights and their properties. How is it that a tweet goes out to enquire about Shabana Azmi's broken ankle or Amitabh Bacchan's health but does not find time or opportunity to say something to the very community which elected him 5 times ? The less said about Amit Shah the better. This too will be forgotten as we have forgotten about Prashant Poojary, Nikita Tomar, Kamlesh Tiwari, Umesh Kolhe and hundreds of others.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 02 Jul 2022 00:59

KLNMurthy wrote:
Unless grassroots Hindus demonstrate political muscle, no government, BJP or not, will lift a finger for them. That’s the core nature of politics.

If the Indian state can live with a handful of Hindus being beheaded by angry Muslims, there is no reason why it can’t live with a teeny-weeny bit of retaliatory “activism,” without facing the specter of anarchy.

So, here is the rub. When Hindus retaliate, guess who will be among the first to curb it, order police firing etc - it will be the BJP Governments at the State level. We have a unique situation where the good-cop doesn't realize that he & the bad-cop are on the same side. In our case, the good-cop will throw the bad-cop under the bus, to get a scratch behind the ears from the enemy.

What we lack is a clear sense of Shatrubodh (knowledge of the enemy). As a corollary, we also lack a knowledge of who we are, why we are different and who is on our team. The other side has extreme clarity on this.

Now we can appreciate the innumerable arguments in the Mahabharatha on what is Dharma and who is on its side. With Lord Krishna providing the moral framework and constant reiterations when confusion sets in among the Pandavas.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 02 Jul 2022 01:13

nachiket wrote:
hnair wrote: Agreed and the best mechanism to do that right now is via the biggest democratic political party (by votes received) in history, the BJP. And that is where things are getting disquieting when you throw out your spokesperson and grovel in front of ME nations.
I will disagree. We are suffering right now because of a lack of religious organization which can do this. Muslims don't rely on Congress or MIM for their street power. Any 2 bit Mullah can summon a mob and call for people's heads in India. Political parties have limitations and will follow whoever shouts the loudest. This is a religious battle at this point and our lack of organization is a huge problem as usual.

I am not sure where you disagree - I merely said the best mechanism in a democracy is the backing of the party with most electoral muscle and not that it will work out for Hindus in India. Also I dont think the best mechanism is a mirror of what RoP or RoL has evolved. RoP system is the cruder of the two and while it looks effective in the post-Nupur situation, it is the one that can be more easily dealt with in the short term.

RoL is a different matter and its forms evolve constantly into newer forms. For example, the fracas over in US over abortion is but two factions of RoL fighting over each other. One side seeks help of guns, other side seek help of RoP is how the hindu in me sees that picture. Not my fight is my first response, but I will be collateral damage soon, if I dont show fangs.

KLNMurthy, IMHO, you need a combo of street muscles and legislature muscle. One over the other will not work against judicial over reach in India. I can provide one case-study that I was able to observe close by (and got involved in, which I cant elaborate in open forum), where the Supreme court justices and their west-derived judgements were thrown out of the window - Sabarimala. It was a combination of street protests and legislature resistance that made the Supreme court go back to relook the judgement by a bigger bench. There was no co-ordination but a fractal pattern formed, which helped the Hindus beat back an onslaught by communists and court. Again BJP's national leadership did not make its presence felt, which showed in subsequent elections as a big vote dip.

Also nachiket, retired Justice Nariman is another one from the Persian refugee community, who judges benevolently for his community, but not for hindus. He is the opinion-writer for Sabarimala verdict

Srutayus · Post by **Srutayus** » 02 Jul 2022 01:47

Unless grassroots Hindus demonstrate political muscle, no government, BJP or not, will lift a finger for them. That’s the core nature of politics.

In all our fulminations on these issues, this is probably the most relevant point.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Jul 2022 01:53

hnair wrote:
nachiket wrote: I will disagree. We are suffering right now because of a lack of religious organization which can do this. Muslims don't rely on Congress or MIM for their street power. Any 2 bit Mullah can summon a mob and call for people's heads in India. Political parties have limitations and will follow whoever shouts the loudest. This is a religious battle at this point and our lack of organization is a huge problem as usual.
I am not sure where you disagree - I merely said the best mechanism in a democracy is the backing of the party with most electoral muscle and not that it will work out for Hindus in India. Also I dont think the best mechanism is a mirror of what RoP or RoL has evolved. RoP system is the cruder of the two and while it looks effective in the post-Nupur situation, it is the one that can be more easily dealt with in the short term.

RoL is a different matter and its forms evolve constantly into newer forms. For example, the fracas over in US over abortion is but two factions of RoL fighting over each other. One side seeks help of guns, other side seek help of RoP is how the hindu in me sees that picture. Not my fight is my first response, but I will be collateral damage soon, if I dont show fangs.

KLNMurthy, IMHO, you need a combo of street muscles and legislature muscle. One over the other will not work against judicial over reach in India. I can provide one case-study that I was able to observe close by (and got involved in, which I cant elaborate in open forum), where the Supreme court justices and their west-derived judgements were thrown out of the window - Sabarimala. It was a combination of street protests and legislature resistance that made the Supreme court go back to relook the judgement by a bigger bench. There was no co-ordination but a fractal pattern formed, which helped the Hindus beat back an onslaught by communists and court. Again BJP's national leadership did not make its presence felt, which showed in subsequent elections as a big vote dip.

Also nachiket, retired Justice Nariman is another one from the Persian refugee community, who judges benevolently for his community, but not for hindus. He is the opinion-writer for Sabarimala verdict

he was ordained as a parsi priest at the age of 12 years

that's got to have a lot of influence on his thinking as well as outlook

no matter how one slices it, trained as a priest at 12 is not "ordaining", it is brainwashing/indoctrination.

would any US president dare help to place such a guy in the highest court of the land

and yet, with such a sickular and entitled background, and upbringing, he waltzed into the top chair some decades later.

no wonder the system has a death grip on democracy

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Jul 2022 02:11

The govt has not been keeping quiet.

It's a clear shot across the bows...........

seems to be a veteran of futile battles

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Jul 2022 02:13

nachiket wrote: Navi Mumbai airport plan was first conceived in 1997. This year they are finally finishing landscaping work and starting construction.

Navi Mumbai airport might mitigate the need for a big Intl airport in Pune. Highspeed rail from Mumbai (airport) to Navi Mumbai (airport) to Baner, Pune. Also, short-hop airtaxi service from NM airport to Baner, Pune. Pune's CG has shifted to Baner/Hinjewadi in a big way in the last decade.

There is far too much need for better surface transport within Pune itself as well Navi Mumbai Pune. It is much better after the expressway. But only up to NM. Mumbai traffic is horrible as usual.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Jul 2022 02:15

vera_k wrote:Does anyone expect the plan to split Maharashtra into 3 or 4 states gets resurrected now that there will be more alignment between Central and State governments? This was proposed as a way to get development pushed to more parts of the state.

3-4 is far too many. I can see two. Vidarbha+Marthwada split off from the RoMH.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Jul 2022 02:17

nachiket wrote:They remember well what happened to the Congress in AP. At least I hope.

KCR backstabbed INC. BJP is popular in TS. They can win there if they pay attention to the state. KCR's popularity is going down fast.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Jul 2022 03:47

Prem Kumar wrote:So, here is the rub. When Hindus retaliate,

I don't think anybody is calling for the kind of "retaliation" that makes police fire on them. Non-violent morchas (rallies) are certainly possible. If Hindus can't be depended on being non-violent, then all is lost (for the Hindumisik folks).

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 02 Jul 2022 03:56

Hindus should not be depended upon for bing non-violent. Only then it shows street power.

One could say that is the tyranny of majority. But state has to be able to provide that violence dependably if that dependency is required.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Jul 2022 05:30

Sometimes, non-violent protests get out of hand. Happened in Chauri Chaura, for example. Is there a Gandhi now?

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 02 Jul 2022 05:45

Vayutuvan wrote: 3-4 is far too many. I can see two. Vidarbha+Marthwada split off from the RoMH.

Vayutuvan wrote: KCR backstabbed INC. BJP is popular in TS. They can win there if they pay attention to the state. KCR's popularity is going down fast.

The only demand that used to be really talked about was a separate Vidarbha. Problem is Vidarbha only has 21% of the state's population. It makes no sense to give in to that demand and then pay for it electorally in the rest of the state. Be pilloried forever as the party which broke Maharashtra. Congress may have been backstabbed in TS but they faced a huge backlash in AP because of their role in carrying out the split and they have been wiped out there. Same will happen to any party in MH which does the same.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Jul 2022 07:05

nachiket wrote: Congress may have been backstabbed in TS but they faced a huge backlash in AP because of their role in carrying out the split and they have been wiped out there. Same will happen to any party in MH which does the same.

There was no merit to AP's complaints. BJP getting wiped out in AP is due to CBN's backstabbing BJP yet again and terrible BJP leadership in (then) AP (region).

Telangana region of then AP was always an INC stronghold. Same with Jagan, ofc. These two situations are not comparable except for the fact that Vidarbha was not getting funds for development. The same was happening in Tg region - only Hyderabad got developed. Every other place was starved for funds. Pune is close enough to Mumbai that it gets developed, but not Nagpur or Nashik. Unity arising out of Marathiness has its limits, just like unity based on Teluguness.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 02 Jul 2022 07:07

@hnair Sabarimala was a pretty good example of a mass movement by Hindus asserting themselves. Deep devotion & sacredness were at stake there and the faithful responded to the mendacious with all the love at their command.

It could be a template for Hindu action.

@Prem Kumar
Re fear of BJP state governments firing on & imprisoning Hindu participants in mass movement: I know it’s easy for me to say, but when people join a mass movement, they have to recognize & accept risks. There will be fightback from status quo. But if truth & faith are on your side & falsehood on your enemies’ side, you will pay a price but you will win. As much as Gandhi had his problems, he was not wrong about this principle.

Hindus have to leave their comfort zone in large numbers if they are to have a chance.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 02 Jul 2022 07:12

@hnair what will happen to judicial overreach the day lakhs or crores of Hindus publicly decide to commit contempt of court like Ajeet Bharti, aka just speaking the unvarnished truth about the system & those who run it?

How many will they throw in prison? Or how many one rupee-fines will they collect, after how many hours of trial time, each trial affording further opportunity for the defendants to engage in further reiteration of truth in chaste Hindi, Telugu, Malayalam & so on?

Kaivalya · Post by **Kaivalya** » 02 Jul 2022 08:06

KLNMurthy wrote:@hnair what will happen to judicial overreach the day lakhs or crores of Hindus publicly decide to commit contempt of court like Ajeet Bharti, aka just speaking the unvarnished truth about the system & those who run it?

How many will they throw in prison? Or how many one rupee-fines will they collect, after how many hours of trial time, each trial affording further opportunity for the defendants to engage in further reiteration of truth in chaste Hindi, Telugu, Malayalam & so on?

I think it is pretty clear to a large mass of people ( critical mass or not , time will tell ):

Timesnow rahul, clearly articulated the following:

1.questioning the sc judgement is not contempt of court. Questioning the motive of the judge is contempt of court.

2. If subjudice matter should not be discussed why was Namo, AS cases discussed/mudslinged for 20 or so years. Why was sabarimala verdict discussed when it was subjudice

3. Even before nsji has been tried why are judges pre-judging?

4. If Yakub can get a midnight hearing to explore every possible avenue why is that not available to nsji when her life is threatened by a mob?

Note : I looked for the video and believe it is not published yet. 2 maulanas are questioned for making inflammatory sermons. This struggle has just begun

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 02 Jul 2022 08:40

chetak wrote:The govt has not been keeping quiet.
It's a clear shot across the bows...........

g]

Sir, this is an old issue. It dates Nov 28, 2021.

The latest is the latest news

'Direct withdrawal of adverse remarks against Nupur Sharma by SC bench': Plea before CJI
Not sure if this is dismissed saying it's an oral observation hence carry no impotence or not. But even if it's an oral observation it has a life of it's own and had made damage. What if Pakistan use this to prove India wrongly accuses it for terror? What if this is used by pigs to prove innocence. Is this not amount to victim shaming? Is this not passing the judgement even before the trial?

The question that has disturbed my sleep is for a normal working self minding Hindu, he has no left/right ecosystem to support, no political party to help him, no judiciary to hear his plea, no police to protect him. On the other hand for a jihadi there are left ecosystem to protect, political party to say they have first right, judiciary that goes to an extent to say oath accepting ISIS as Calif. Is not a crime, or victim shaming like NS case, police keeps quite on mullas who call beheading but acts on dharma sansad.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 02 Jul 2022 10:00

Vayutuvan wrote:3-4 is far too many. I can see two. Vidarbha+Marthwada split off from the RoMH.

Splitting into Mumbai, Pune, Vidharbha and Marathwada are the four states that RSS folks have been floating.

Row after seeking Maharashtra division

In 2014, the BJP came in power on the plank of separate statehood for Vidarbha. Of the total 62 seats in Vidarbha, BJP had won 44. Later, its decision to sideline Vidarbha reflected badly as it won only 29 seats in 2019.

Antrix · Post by **Antrix** » 02 Jul 2022 13:12

achy wrote:Hindus have outsourced their bravery to BJP. So all we do is rant when BJP does not protect us. Till hindus learn to PROTECT themselves, this will keep happening. Again and again. We can rant and keep ranting.

Sir at what point will we take a step back and question whether the emperor has any clothes on?

Hindu institutions have been systematically destroyed over the last 1000 years, first by the Muslim armies, then by the British and then by the Congress-Left ecosystem. That RSS-BJP managed to emerge in such an environment is truly a 'lotus-in-swamp' occurrence. But let us critically analyze where the RSS-BJP system is heading towards.

In a quest to maintain a political grip on the Hindu votebank, RSS & the BJP both have not let any other grassroot Hindu organization take form. Bajrang Dal and VHP have not found any support in this dispensation. Imagine what it does to Hindus fighting on the ground, when the so called Hindu Hriday Samrat calls Gaurakshaks "Gundas". These are Hindus fighting for the one of the cornerstone values of Hindu religion, face immense odds on the ground with armed Muslims killing multiple people every year including cops & BSF and the demonization that the leftist media does, yet instead of finding any support from a supposed Hindutvawadi government, they face condemnation.

The Prime Minister sheds tears for a Muslim thief who loses his life, multiple days after being roughed up by the victims of his attack, yet finds no words for Palghar Sadhus, hundreds of his own Karyakartas in WB & Kerala, dozens of Kashmiri Pandits and immigrant Hindus in Kashmir, victims of Delhi riots and now the Udaipur butchering.

Look at the way they have disowned Nupur and groveled at the feet of ME nations. With the NSA even going to extent of promising to make an example out of Nupur & Naveen, the same NSA was begging Maulana Saad to comply, in person. Why couldn't the GoI issue a blunt statement saying while the Government of India does not share these views, India provides freedom of expression & speech and any issue can be taken care within the ambit of the Indian constitution and Indian Laws. That's all that was needed to be said.

Unfortunately, Hindus are stuck between a party that wants to completely finish them and a party that wants their votes & the power that comes with it, only to spit at our faces and mock us with the question : "Who are you going to vote for, if not us?"

It is a valid question, there is hardly any alternative than to hold our noses and vote for Lotus, until we have another choice, which looks unlikely given how insecure the RSS-BJP combine is about emergence of any rival Hindu organization. We must never forgive Prime Minister Modi and his coterie of yes men, for this blatant betrayal of Hindus for chasing this mirage of 'World Leader/Nobel Prize''. We are nothing but second class citizens in our own country despite voting into brute majority the 'Hinduwadi' BJP.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Jul 2022 14:17

Don't miss this video, take the time out to watch it in full

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UAc_AOMzsI

Payal Bbhayana and Bhiku Mhatre are discussing about the conflicts and difficulties Maharashtra is facing. Along with discussion on Sushant Singh Rajput Case and many more. 2 Jul 2022

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 02 Jul 2022 14:55

This so called observation by the SC judge: will this end up tool for Jihadists to be given bail and released; and every sicular shithead to beat the HIndu maases into submission.
Also this NIA investigation into these crimes: Plausible Deniability of the desi shanthidooth into every action they take and shift the blame onto a opaque organization or Paxtan

Antrix · Post by **Antrix** » 02 Jul 2022 15:01

This is a tweet by the National President of the BJP Minority Morcha -

https://twitter.com/JamalSiddiqui_/stat ... 1705746433

He supports the SC comments and requests his 'Muslim brothers to let the issue rest now'.

It is not too far fetched to think that the comments by the SC bench were discussed & approved by the Modi Govt, which could be why there has not been a single squeak by any BJP leader on the SC comments afaik.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 02 Jul 2022 15:17

^^Hmm is this the Chanikyan move people were talking about!!
Not just sacking the national spokesperson but get the SC judge(is it possible in these days I thought only the Durgamata Betiji could get such concessions from SC judges!!) to pass observations.
And hand in the cases to NIA to diligently pursue local (both above and under-ground) shantidhoots as otherwise the local inimical governments could bury these cases!!!