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vimal wrote:I’ve lost hope for India and Hindus. Jaichands have managed to create many such Islamist ghettos in India and completely displaced local Hindu population.
In my recent visit to Uttarakhand I was shocked to see the influx of peacefuls in places like Uttarkashi and Haridwar. They’ve established themselves in many places with a mix of BD, Rohingyas and UP peacefuls all collaborating. I predict that devbhoomi will be lost within a generation :(.
If they have encroached on public lands then it is something else. On the other hand if it was private property for every new muslim owner there is a Hindu who cashed out at a profit.
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They’ve been systematically settled there by BiF for reasons not hard to understand. Many government facilities and vacant plots were handed over to them over the last decade to create a mini Kashmir in a border state. Some of you might remember Uttarakhand suffered massive damage after the earthquake and cloud burst that destroyed many villages and towns. Guess who were systematically resettled in those areas.
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KL Dubey wrote:
Bart S wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn943y8cnp4
Khalistani nutjobs now indulging in open hate at Taco Bell of all places

But sure, GOI can continue giving these nutjobs expedited visas to visit Punjab even when they explicitly ban Indian diplomatic mission staff from Gurudwaras. :roll:
The good news is that in the US, arrest and prosecution for such crimes seems swift. This one (and the other recent one in TX) is a shoo-in for a Title 1 federal hate crime. Contrary to conventional perception, the best defense in most of these situations is a smartphone, not a gun. Just let them talk and record it all.
This idiot needs to be jailed for.10 years
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https://twitter.com/nsitharamanoffc/sta ... 9485687808

Here FInance Minister Nirmalaji asks a District Collector how much ration rice is subsidized by Center vs State. He doesn't respond or would say Telangana would subsidize all of it. She corrects him saying that Rice is 35/Kg. Center subsidizes 34/kg and sells to people for Rs 1. I also did not know.

So she justifies that Modi's picture is fine in ration shops instead of state CM. This can be debated if Govt. should use Modi's picture but Jagan/KCR/every CON moron/Kujli all use their picture. No issues but they use Modi's picture all need burnol.
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Saar would like to add: Sitharaman garu states that when Central Govt is footing all but 1INR of the procurement cost , why cannot the same mesage of assistance and subsidy be communicated to citizens via 'plexi' with an image of the PM on it. She demands response from the DC why the central govt employees (?) were not given protection when they tried to install the 'plexi' and the goons of the local party ( presumably TRS) were allowed to rip the posters.
vijayk wrote:https://twitter.com/nsitharamanoffc/sta ... 9485687808

Here FInance Minister Nirmalaji asks a District Collector how much ration rice is subsidized by Center vs State. He doesn't respond or would say Telangana would subsidize all of it. She corrects him saying that Rice is 35/Kg. Center subsidizes 34/kg and sells to people for Rs 1. I also did not know.

So she justifies that Modi's picture is fine in ration shops instead of state CM. This can be debated if Govt. should use Modi's picture but Jagan/KCR/every CON moron/Kujli all use their picture. No issues but they use Modi's picture all need burnol.
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The Hawk Eye @thehawkeyex

Income Tax day out today, raids at-

1. IPSMF, left digi media patron that funds Caravan, Print, Alt, Art14 etc

2. CPR, think tank & policy influencer of left

3. Registered but Unrecognised Political Parties pan India for violations. EC targets 2100 parties like this.
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This NAMATI is DC based NGO fooling American Indians collecting huge money by making them feel guilty. Then they donate it to CPR run by Mani Shankar Aiyar's daughter ... Look at how much money from FF and Omdiyar is she able to collect. Looks like 10 crores every year for propaganda on NDTV and couple of news articles bashing every policy of Govt.
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Oxfam India also has been raided ... Hopefully we destroy these ..

Vijay Patel
@vijaygajera

IT raids on Oxfam India too.

Oxfam India is a leftist NGO who funds and supports many other leftists NGOs in India.
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And this in a BJP ruled state... :roll:

Man posing as Andhra Pradesh MP's PA breaches Amit Shah's security
Malabar Hill police on Tuesday arrested a 32-year-old man from Dhule, who claimed to be the personal assistant (PA) of a MP from Andhra Pradesh, for allegedly breaching the security of Union home minister Amit Shah.

Police said Hemant Pawar was seen moving around Shah and other leading politicians at Sagar bungalow, deputy chief minister Devendra Fadnavis's official residence, at Malabar Hill on Monday.

Sources said a senior Mantralaya officer noticed Pawar, whom he did not recognise, mingling among the politicians at the event. When asked to identify himself, Pawar claimed that he was the PA of an Andhra MP. "Pawar was wearing a ribbon of the ministry of home affairs (MHA) so no one raised any doubts," said a police officer. .
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News of a man being killed by Nihang Sikhs in Amritsar for chewing tobacco and being inebriated. This time it was not even in a Gurudwara. All caught on hi def cctv video… 4 Nihang Sikhs kill the one person with swords…

Rndtv had the video on their website.

Wonder what Kejru has to say.
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SC rejected the hijab petition today
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Cyrano wrote:SC rejected the hijab petition today
Any details? I dont see it in the news. I think its still going on. Only hijab side is placing an argument. Still gov side has to place right.

I think the argument was when hijab lawer asked "right to dress", judge asked will you also argue for " right to undress too",
Yesturday when hijab as choice was argued, judge asked what about minis to school ...

Still i think argument is there... More fun. But i doubt it is telecasted like karnataka court,.. We need to read from webpages only
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Telangana Guv Hits Out At CM KCR, Says 'I Was Not Allowed To Hoist Tiranga On Independence Day'

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And now it's with Himanta Biswa Sarma.. :roll:

It's just so so easy... ISI and the pindi boys must be salivating

Security breach at Assam chief minister Himanta Biswa Sarma's meeting as intruder reaches next to him
A security breach took place as a man, who was wearing a pink kanduva (scarf), reached next to Assam chief minister Himanta Biswa Sarma on Friday.

The incident happened at MJ Market area in Telangana capital Hyderabad when Sharma was standing on the stage from where he was supposed to address the public on the occasion of Ganesh immersion.
This from just a day or so ago...
Manish_P wrote:And this in a BJP ruled state... :roll:

Man posing as Andhra Pradesh MP's PA breaches Amit Shah's security
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https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/supr ... ase-208826
TOP STORIES BREAKING| Supreme Court Grants Bail To Journalist Siddique Kappan In Hathras Conspiracy Case
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Subhas Chandra Bose's Statue at India Gate Signifies Rise of India as Warfare State in A Warring World

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/opinion/ ... 1122ab2e22


Gautam Sen.

The statue symbolises an ancient historic tradition of Kshatriya valour that had faltered under Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru, despite the efforts of Subhas Chandra Bose in the 1940s, until its gradual restoration after India’s self-inflicted military setback of 1962.

Narendra Modi has delivered an emphatic re-statement of the India that is Bharat, repudiating a legacy of appeasement and defeatism. He has reanimated a nation with a fortified purposiveness, appropriate to the adversarial real world inhabited. The symbolic change in India’s naval ensign is also an imaginative reaffirmation of India’s historical achievements and identity during the reign of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj. Of the many heroes of India’s independence movement, Veer Savarkar would have approved of these changes.

In the context above, it might be worthwhile to revisit and re-emphasise the historical and political backdrop in which such a rearmed Indian reprise is both necessary and justified. It would be especially appropriate to pose the option of India’s unavoidable future as a warfare state.

India is entering a historic phase of huge external military challenges that have combined with internal subversion, domestic power struggles and open separatism to endanger it. India is a regrettably complacent society and its incomprehensible insouciance in the face of the most severe challenges confounds. Yet, the nation is almost certainly destined to encounter serious threats to its very integrity as a sovereign polity. Its regional adversaries and frenemies will surely have concluded that within the decade, India will grow to become a much more formidable proposition to deal with and eliminate as a hindrance to their own ambitions.

By the next decade, India’s economic size and mere existence alone will constitute the well and truly intolerable proverbial fly in the ointment for China, by objectively and subjectively ending its reveries of total Indo-Pacific hegemony.

For Pakistan, such an economically empowered India will cease to be the potentially manageable rival with whom it could joust, parry and negotiate under the illusion of being formal equals. India will become an existential threat to it by virtue of Pakistan’s creation in the shape of an unviable artificial polity to serve British geopolitical interests, as a militarised cantonment in India’s northwest. Specifically, a flourishing India will also constitute dangerous secessionist incitement to Pakistan’s already rebellious provinces if not engage in actively assisting them.

Western nations who have long harboured dreams of resuming some sort of political control over India by turning it into a docile subordinate Christianised partner of the Anglosphere and Europe, through religious conversion that will rob India of its innate civilisational individuality, are also seeing the writing on the wall.

They rightly judge India will crack down firmly on the carte blanche evangelism was accorded by Jawaharlal Nehru and never really curtailed seriously by Indian governments subsequently. Such global evangelist forces have already unleashed a campaign of calumny and subversion against India, in response to the adoption of modest national policies to curb their nefarious activities across it.

In order for India to survive as a nation and civilization, there is an imperative need for its decision makers to reach a historically grounded and realistic assessment of their own predicament. The rule of law and democracy are necessary for any functioning society if only to ensure its citizens resolve inevitable disagreements among themselves peacefully through judicial means.

This is how the great French philosopher Charles-Louis de Secondat Montesquieu thought the existential propensity of Hobbesian war of ‘all against all’ in human societies could be mitigated if not avoided by constitutional means, which means parliamentary government and a separation of powers. To this, political philosopher and economist Adam Smith had added the brilliant insight that markets and the division of labour would bind people together through their need for each other to function as economic agents and live.

Yet, this somewhat idyllic picture of how the Hobbesian conundrum might be overcome is not the full actual historical experience. First, constitutional parliamentary government does not make a society permanently immune to a breakdown of order. Second, pertinent for India, is the more fundamental problem that the establishment of constitutional and parliamentary government occurs after the cessation of antecedent social disorder.

This occurs when a victor in the civil war is able to impose such a form of governance or exhausted parties in conflict agree to a truce and negotiate to create some more amicable modus operandi.

In India’s case, a Constitution was imposed from above with historic unresolved tensions and conflicts remaining intact despite Partition and egregious errors of judgment of Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru at the time. Once relative domestic social peace and stability have been established, the polity still has to negotiate its place in a disorderly international order in which adversarial predatory relations between countries have always been the historical norm. Not for nothing was a Greek synonym for man soldier.

A counterintuitive depiction of the international system is one of permanent war or unending simmering conflict, with cessation of hostilities the temporary exceptional period. Yet, when the international realm is depicted in many standard accounts as a functioning ‘society’ as well it amounts to imputing something more to it than habitual hostility between its constituent members. In fact, this is a perfectly reasonable portrayal of countries belonging to an international society since they have also engaged with each other in a multiplicity of exchanges, from commerce to culture.

However, although peace and conflict have always co-existed in the world, it is the primacy of the latter over the former that has been demonstrated repeatedly. War and war-making unfailingly triumph over peace.

Britain’s successful blockade of German food imports during WWI, which is not widely known, was a key reason for Germany’s ultimate defeat. Very little needs to be said of the scale of economic warfare that accompanied military action itself during WWII with the loss of fuel supplies constituting a critical factor in the German retreat on the eastern front. The contemporary declaration of total war against Russia by NATO countries over its invasion of Ukraine includes a comprehensive commercial and financial boycott as well as blatant warfare through the media, as an aspect of the military campaign.

After more than 45 years as an IR student and scholar, it is my contention that many aspects of international relations, from the UN and its associated organisations and myriad dimensions of global interaction, are highly conditional. Much of what came into existence after WWII in the shape of international organisations was the product of the unique circumstances of Russo-American bi-polarity and US pre-eminence in the essentially Western-dominated UN and Bretton Woods system.

The UN system is the most prominent perceptual expression of an international society, apart from the European Union. Yet, the actual material impact of the former in comparison to private international commerce and finance is small. Its political import, articulated by great power coordination through the UN Security Council is minimal, which is either deadlocked at every juncture because of veto powers or by-passed by major powers.

However, the UN system is important for psychological reasons and that should not be underestimated and dismissed completely though it remains symbolic in the context of realpolitik. The European Union is a socioeconomic organisation but its creation was only made possible because of the political divisions of the Cold War. Member states constantly assert parochial national prerogatives against the wisdom of its international bureaucracy and exiting from the European Union is also an option, as the UK demonstrated.

The permanence and significance of national engagement through international organisations, in the shape of an ‘international society’, is not to be overrated since issues of political and power overwhelm them when they conflict. The permanence of war and its threat is the existential reality that reigns internationally, as it has done between political entities for millennia.

In the world of permanent conflict, India’s predicament is extraordinarily precarious because it poses a threat to others in its neighbourhood owing to its unfolding rise as an economic and military power at present. In anticipation of the likely attempt by adversaries to preempt India’s ascendance, it needs to mobilise as a warfare state. The rationale is prudential since a failure of India to defend itself will entail unprecedented catastrophe for its people.

In addition, other third parties may opportunistically seek to take advantage of its difficulties and a contingency plan is necessary to prepare for any such hostile action by them as well. As a result, India should mobilise its national material and manpower resources prodigiously in preparation for giving a befitting reply to any aggressors.

This is what the Soviet Union did to Nazi Germany, which could no longer entertain the idea of liquidating Russia within six months of the initial invasion and rapid advance into Russian territory, such was the damage Russian armies, though grievously battered themselves, inflicted on it. Most notably, the farsighted Joseph Stalin had begun preparing the USSR for total war 12 years before the German invasion in August 1941, when the desperate struggle for the very survival of the Slavic race began.

Indians have short memories and poor historical sensibility, but should recognise that the genocide of massive killings remains the norm in contemporary warfare, which the wars unleashed by the US on Iraq and Syria have highlighted and Pakistani troops wreaked on East Pakistan during 1971.

The next two decades will be of paramount importance for India, potentially facilitating consolidation of its hard worn progress since 1947 and especially 1991. For this, in addition to preparing for war, it needs international peace as well as domestic social stability and tranquility. But the key to its fate will depend on an admixture of sophisticated diplomacy to keep troubles at bay and buy time and military competence that threatens to impose unacceptably high costs on potential belligerents.

These two components of national diplomatic skill and military power, underpinned by an autonomous national economy. It also requires the additional quality of national unity and consensus in order to secure India’s well-being and that is apparently proving elusive. Its adversaries will surely exploit any diplomatic blunders India makes and real or perceived military vulnerability. Sleeper cells of Indian collaborators will also be activated to insert themselves into domestic fissures to accentuate them.

During the incumbency of Narendra Modi as prime minister, the government has delivered spectacularly on the diplomatic front and much of the credit does indeed go to him since he is personally driving the process and urging on his outstanding External Affairs Minister. The modernisation of India’s armed forces is also proceeding apace, though it is admittedly a slower process than the challenges posed demand.

India’s supposed friends and allies have not always extended help to India in urgent critical areas, like nuclear propelled submarines and ballistic missiles that would secure the third leg of its nuclear triad. The underlying motivation of countries selling advanced military hardware to India is mostly commercial and any real goodwill occupies a back seat. India is alone in a turbulent and hostile world and its people must strive to remain united if their injured civilisation is to repair itself, indeed survive.

The writer taught international political economy for more than two decades at the London School of Economics and Political Science. Views expressed are personal.
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AAP is not a political party. It's a gathering of RNIs supported by many foreign interests. And it won't take up Congress space. Keeping Congress alive gives AAP space.
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Gautam Sen's headline is wrong.
NaMO wanted to recognize the true leader of Indian Independence.

I hope Late Brig RayC is happy in the heavens.
Finally, Bengal's contribution is being honored.
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Yes Ramana garu, after Patel honouring Bose was next.
But that's not the only inference to be drawn from Kartavya Path with SC Bose at one end. A lot of that article makes sense to me.
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^ Headlines are picked by the editors. Indian editors mostly are died-in-britshit-nehruvian-wool. Otherwise an excellent article by Gautam Sen and posted by Kanoji.

On Netaji's statue. Its social, cultural, and political imperatives are immense. Also the change in Naval insignia. As I see it, the contributions of all sons of the soil who fought the brishit empire are brought forward. It was truly an eye-moistening moment to see Bose's statue unveiled. A grand statue and at a prominent location.

One must understand that these changes may seem subtle but are very big and gigantic in both the psychological as well as geo-political spheres. For example, the naval sign was changed in 2001 and almost reverted back in 2004. It made India look like a vassal state of former-UK.

Is it that the stars portend something? Like India launches its own built aircraft carrier (its a beauty) and eclipses the former-UK economically. And then QE-II dies (hope she got the memo on the economic status of the former-UK). And Netaji's statue is unveiled.

And Cheen loses its stupid war with India.

Lot of good things happening... Like ED finding cash caches in Bengal.
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https://www.news18.com/news/india/ed-re ... 31619.html
When around Rs 7 crores were recovered by the ED from the businessman initially, West Bengal minister and Kolkata Mayor Firhad Hakim had said, “What agency is trying to do? Do they want to act as Gabbar and make this place as Ramgarh? That’s the big question? The ED is raiding a businessman’s house. They are trying to demotivate businessmen. If they get something then that’s different but this is a ploy to demotivate businessmen of Kolkata".
And in response:
The BJP, on the other hand, said if anybody is the culprit then law will take its course. “Counting is still on and again the entire Kolkata now on note counting mode,” the party said. BJP leader Rahul Sinha said, “Why has Firhad Hakim problem? Does that mean the thieves have relation with him . Why is he concerned?"
And the Bharat-Todo (Pappu Party) response
Meanwhile, senior Congress leader Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury said, “Bengal has a huge amount of money. If you go inside any TMC leaders’ house, you will get money.”
Let's discuss MaoMata and CONgoons teaming up with AAP to fight 2024.
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Disha, Walter Russell Mead, a favorite of Rudraddeev, wrote in WSJ, to paraphrase, that India is trying to reclaim its past glory which means erasing the British and the Muslim period!!!
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ramana wrote:Gautam Sen's headline is wrong.
NaMO wanted to recognize the true leader of Indian Independence.

I hope Late Brig RayC is happy in the heavens.
Finally, Bengal's contribution is being honored.
The headline might be wrong, but what he says in the article reflects the current reality and will resonate with the majority of Indians.
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ramana wrote:AAP is not a political party. It's a gathering of RNIs supported by many foreign interests. And it won't take up Congress space. Keeping Congress alive gives AAP space.
+108
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Hindu prayer answered in Gyanvapi Case, Plea for Worship Maintainable, Says Varanasi Court

Its just one battle won, there are many more battle and war (places of worship act 1991, waqf board act 1995) still there.
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Cyrano wrote:SC rejected the hijab petition today
From what I understand; hearings are going on today as well.
Hijab Case: LIVE UPDATES from Supreme Court [Day 4]
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the fallback option whenevr an obvious flaw is pointed out in the aassssmaani quitab:
"Adv Muchhala: Al Quran is Arabic and the courts in India are equipped to adjudge. Even average Indian Muslim reads Arabic as is without the meaning. Thus, in such cases the court should not embark upon the exercise of interpreting Quran."
Adv Muchhala: It is only judicial wisdom to not touch a field in which they have no expertise. High Court when encountered with ERP should have said hands off we cannot look into that.
basically no one should question the book because its in a language we dont understand
and once they say its an essential practice, no one (not even courts, constitution, elected officials) can question it because we will never know the context since we are non arabic people.
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madhu wrote:Hindu prayer answered in Gyanvapi Case, Plea for Worship Maintainable, Says Varanasi Court

Its just one battle won, there are many more battle and war (places of worship act 1991, waqf board act 1995) still
there.
What does it take for the government to reverse these acts??
Anything in them to nullify it??
PVN was half Chankya! 8)
Wonder if he had some clause in small print added to these acts
Any comments from the Legal-Eagles on the forum
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What do our Kerala members think of the BharatTodo Yatra of Raga?
To me it looks like consolidating the minority vote bank as he fears it slipping away.
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ramana wrote:What do our Kerala members think of the BharatTodo Yatra of Raga?
To me it looks like consolidating the minority vote bank as he fears it slipping away.
Actually it is to bring Xians/Jihadis on one platform to incite war from South for his South vs North war
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vijayk wrote:
ramana wrote:What do our Kerala members think of the BharatTodo Yatra of Raga?
To me it looks like consolidating the minority vote bank as he fears it slipping away.
Actually it is to bring Xians/Jihadis on one platform to incite war from South for his South vs North war
Rajedesai and Sahshi Tharoor have made the opening salvo on this front . I suspect this fictcious issue will be made mainstream by 2024, linking it with
BJP/NDA 's success in elections.
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madhu wrote:Hindu prayer answered in Gyanvapi Case, Plea for Worship Maintainable, Says Varanasi Court

Its just one battle won, there are many more battle and war (places of worship act 1991, waqf board act 1995) still there.
I don’t think this is over. Waiting for Supreme Court to take up the inevitable PIL against Varanasi ruling.
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vijayk wrote:Actually it is to bring Xians/Jihadis on one platform to incite war from South for his South vs North war
The route plan of Ra.Ga and his coterie is being circulated on social media. In southern KL and all across TN his camping sites all seem to be X'ian establishments. And looks like the Yatra does not plan to go to more northern parts of India where Congress is a big joke. There can be a motive of triggering a North v/s South fight, but how will Ra.Ga fit in here? He and his family are from North India, cannot speak even paltry Tamil or Malayalam. And will the ever greedy Ghandi-Nehru clan agree to be just associated with South India?
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timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/supreme-court-ill-equipped-to-determine-hijabs-essentiality-muslim-side
Looks like Shanthidooths are firing warning shots across the bow:
1.Stop Gyanvapi
2.Do not entertain PILs on 30A, Places of Worship, Wakf
When is the new CJI due??
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Sachin wrote:
Cyrano wrote:SC rejected the hijab petition today
From what I understand; hearings are going on today as well.
Hijab Case: LIVE UPDATES from Supreme Court [Day 4]
yes it is going on. is there a YouTube channel that we can watch, just like one in Karnataka judgement?
bharathp wrote: basically no one should question the book because its in a language we dont understand
and once they say its an essential practice, no one (not even courts, constitution, elected officials) can question it because we will never know the context since we are non arabic people.
bharathp ji, you are not getting the point. youKnowWho don't want kafir to read and understand Quran coz devil is in the details. let me clarify you. as per the arguments of the day 4 by defenders of Hijab told
Khurshid : The question raised was since Quran says God is merciful, whether hijab was mandatory. Quran describes God as merciful, forgiving, loving.

Khurshid : The verse "no compulsion in religion" must be read along with the verse "for you your faith, for me my faith". The no- compulsion is against another faith
but you need to get into the details to understand all these statements that normally Muslims uses, you will see different picture. if you talk to any one and rise the objections on some of the aayath, they will tell one of the following a) you don't know arabic b) there are 22 meaning for each word in Arabic c) you need to know the context d) you need to read the full verse and proceeding and before to understand cannot pick from in between. (provided your head is not rolled to ground). but they conveniently pick and choose what ever they want and this is the best example.

if you understand above highlighted phrases that are commonly used by Muslims, you will understand what i am saying. let me explain it.
if you read Quran where-ever the word "God is merciful" comes, most of the places you will have issues.

now coming to "no compulsion in religion" & "for you your faith, for me my faith", Muslims use this as a maha-vakya of Quran. but they are just a part of aayat. Islam is not a bouquet of flowers that you can pick and choose. you need to accept full or reject full. take "no compulsion in religion" first. the full aayat is
Yusuf Ali Quran 2.256: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
so it is clear from full aayath that Allah takes care of only who believes in him and rest are wrong. but even if i accept this is ok as this is Islam and Allah has to talk great about himself i have one more problem. if i read the Tafseer of it
Allah says: "There is no compulsion in religion", meaning: do not force anyone to embrace Islam, because it is clear and its proofs and evidences are manifest. Whoever Allah guides and opens his heart to Islam has indeed embraced it with clear evidence. Whoever Allah misguides blinds his heart and has set a seal on his hearing and a covering on his eyes cannot embrace Islam by force...hence Allah revealed this verse. But, this verse is abrogated by the verse of "fighting...Therefore, all people of the world should be called to Islam. If anyone of them refuses to do so, or refuses to pay the Jizya they should be fought till they are killed. This is the meaning of compulsion. In the Sahih, the Prophet said: "Allah wonders at those people who will enter Paradise in chains", meaning prisoners brought in chains to the Islamic state, then they embrace Islam sincerely and become righteous, and are entered among the people of Paradise.
refer: Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, Al-Firdous Ltd., London, 1999: First Edition, Part 3, pp. 37-38, you can translate from Islamic website and read if you want.

now coming to another one the esteemed lawyer presented to defend the religion of peace, "for you your faith, for me my faith". the full aayath is
Yusuf Ali Quran 109.1-6: Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine.
now it sounds sweet to ears but if you look at the context, let me quote from life of Mohammad, Ibn Ishaq,
Arab reputed among their people.
They said: ‘Muhammad, come let us worship what you worship, and you worship what w’e worship You and we will combine in the matter. If what you worship is better than what we worship we will take a share of it, and if what we worship is better than what you worship, you can take a share of that.’ So God revealed concerning them, Say, O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship and you do not worship what I worship, and I do not worship what you worship, and you do not worship what I worship; you have your religion and I have mine,’ 4 i.e. If you will only worship God on condition that I worship what you worship, I have no need of you at all. You can have your religion, all of it, and I have mine.
so clearly it is not as sweet as it sounds if you get into details. more over this aayath is again abrogated by the "verse of sword" (9.5) please refer to annasikh-wal-mansukh by ibn salamah.

that is the reason Muslim scholars don't want, not only kafir but also sane Muslims to understand Quran. summary is be careful with taqiyyah. the real reason is if "you don't lie, Islam dies" and they dont want kafir to catch their lies.
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Sachin wrote:
Cyrano wrote:SC rejected the hijab petition today
From what I understand; hearings are going on today as well.
Hijab Case: LIVE UPDATES from Supreme Court [Day 4]
Apologies, I misunderstood a news clipping.
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A Muslim scholar lays it and out quite simply for others:
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Sachin wrote:And will the ever greedy Ghandi-Nehru clan agree to be just associated with South India?
I they can split it off and make it into their fiefdom, why not? It is better than not having anything. Even Kerala would be enough to loot as much as they want.
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One one side we see Shri. Pappu Ghandi walking and riding on caravans all across South India, and on the other side we hear news such as
BJP Goa chief claims 8 Congress MLAs to join saffron party. 8). Don't know if A. Shah is orchestrating these just to pull down grandoise schemes from the Congress (and its 'war room' champions). But BJP cadre also should think if acceptance all riff-raff from secular parties will be giving any long term benefits. As Congress-wallahs will never be able to give up their tendencies to loot.
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The Goa congress legislative party has passed a resolution to merge with the BJP itself.
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