Terroristan - April 15, 2021

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Gagan wrote:These are public statements of Raja

In private, when talking to BCCI, he must be in reham karo sarkar, mai baap mode

All paqistanis HAVE to do a ‘difa of the ideology of Paqistan’, AND earn sawab from the fauj.
If the above two are not done, the ISI will threaten you and then kill you - simple

no reham karo is on the agenda.

amit shah's son was also at the meeting.
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chetak wrote:
how these guys must be missing mohandas onlee
And also certified assholes - Morarji Desai and I K Gujral.
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Gag alert. The attached visual may cause you severe distress accompanied by retching and uncontrolled convulsions.

Twitter divided after spat between Xxxxxxen, Imaan over govt's 'use of magic'
The argument centred over whether the government's alleged "use of magic" to run the state's affairs should be part of public discourse.
Imaan got the ball rolling with her tweet saying that if the country was to be run by witchcraft, why was a huge amount of taxpayer money being wasted on the prime minister's oversized cabinet?
Xxxxxen, in response, said: ”I am ashamed you would resort to such low, personalised, unsubstantiated attacks — especially since as a lawyer you should know [that] without any proof hurling such accusations is defamation.”
Another supporter of Imaan's said: "Precisely. There are serious reports of voodoo and magic being utilised to decide national policy in #Pakistan. People have the right to expose and question these retrograde practices."
Harami link: https://www.geo.tv/latest/377065-twitte ... e-of-magic
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https://twitter.com/schaheid/status/145 ... 65603?s=20

RAPE lament that Taller than Mountain friend is not as generous as the US.
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anupmisra wrote:Gag alert. The attached visual may cause you severe distress accompanied by retching and uncontrolled convulsions.

Twitter divided after spat between Xxxxxxen, Imaan over govt's 'use of magic'
Very bad of you to not mention that the post is about Jalebi Madam :x
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Image Officers ne ghabrana nahin hai.
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VikramS wrote:https://twitter.com/schaheid/status/145 ... 65603?s=20

RAPE lament that Taller than Mountain friend is not as generous as the US.
Isn't this the same guy who was recently threatening that Pakistan could make India a "sea-locked country"? :rotfl:
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Manish_P wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Gag alert. The attached visual may cause you severe distress accompanied by retching and uncontrolled convulsions.

Twitter divided after spat between Xxxxxxen, Imaan over govt's 'use of magic'
Very bad of you to not mention that the post is about Jalebi Madam :x
Whoa! Isn't Xxxxxxen (pronounced Shixen) good enough? Hain ji?
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Fascists!! Must be denounced at the UN, WHO, UNICEF, IMF, ICC....and other alphabet soups. Alpha Khatoon must protest.

PTA suspends internet services in specific areas of Lahore
The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) suspended internet services in specific areas of Lahore, Geo News reported Thursday.

The action was taken in compliance with directives issued by the Punjab Home Department.

According to the police, the Home Department had directed the PTA to suspend internet services in response to a protest oragnised by a banned outfit in Lahore.
Haramiyon ka link: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/90191 ... -of-lahore
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Bart S wrote:
VikramS wrote:https://twitter.com/schaheid/status/145 ... 65603?s=20
RAPE lament that Taller than Mountain friend is not as generous as the US.
Isn't this the same guy who was recently threatening that Pakistan could make India a "sea-locked country"? :rotfl:
And Dimran Khan Niazi said that Germany is a neighbor of Japan. Geography is not taught in Madrassa, I guess.
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How clueless are these idiots?

First the idiotic question: Will Pakistan exit the FATF grey list? Global watchdog decides today
"Pakistan has made significant progress and it has largely addressed 26 out of 27 items on the action plan it first committed to in June 2018," FATF President Dr Marcus Pleyer had said at a post-plenary presser.
Then, this announcement: TLP announces 'long march' to Islamabad tomorrow
After days of staging protests in Lahore's streets, the banned Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) announced on Thursday that its will start a "long march" towards Islamabad on Friday.

"The peaceful Namoos-i-Risalat march of the Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan towards Islamabad will start after Friday prayers" from the TLP's markaz (headquarters), the statement said, adding that the group also had a "plan B" in case its members were stopped from marching on the capital.
:roll:

Harami links: https://www.dawn.com/news/1653215/tlp-a ... d-tomorrow
https://www.dawn.com/news/1653195/will- ... ides-today
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Technical question - If ummah brother Turkey joins Jihadistan in the FATF grey list, then will bakistan lose an important vote (minimum 3 required) to keep it out of the blacklist?

IIRC it was supported by China, Malaysia and Turkey

Or are grey listed countries allowed to vote
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Its official PAKIS will remain in gray list
The Financial Action Task Force (FATF) announced on Thursday that Pakistan will continue to remain on its increased monitoring list, or grey list.
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The one item left on the list is prosecution of UN designated terror leaders like the Hafiz boy. The only way out is PA bumping him off.. and I hope they blame us for it.

Pak tried to convince FATF by sending the joker on a nice vacation in the prison until the meeting is done. But that has not worked out.

Hafiz boy must be worried..
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Pakistan to remain on FATF ‘grey list’ , Turkey new addition.

Pakistan will remain on the 'grey list' of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) as it needs to "further demonstrate" that action is being taken against UN-designated terrorists like India's most wanted Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar, and groups led by them, the global body against terror financing said on Thursday.

Addressing a press conference, FATF president Marcus Pleyer said the decision was taken at the conclusion of the three-day virtual plenary of the
organisation. It is scheduled to meet again in April 2022.

Pakistan continues to remain on "increased monitoring list", he said at a virtual press conference from Paris. "Increased monitoring list" is another
name for the 'grey list'. "Pakistan has taken a number of important steps but needs to "further demonstrate that investigations and prosecutions
are being pursued against the senior leadership of UN-designated terror groups," Marcus said.

"All these changes are about helping authorities prevent terrorism, stop corruption and prevent organised criminals from profiting from their crimes," he added.

Pakistan was placed on the grey list by the FATF in June 2018 for failing to check money laundering, leading to terror financing. The FATF had given Islamabad a 27-point action plan that was to be completed by October 2019. Six more points were added later.

Terror groups
The country continues to be on the grey list due to its failure to comply with four of the 34 action points, including: to investigate and prosecute senior leaders and commanders of UN-designated terror groups, including Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar. Masood was involved in the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, 2016 Pathankot attack, and 2019 Pulwama attack.

After the announcement by the FATF in June 2021, of keeping Pakistan on the grey list, Islamabad had said it would implement the action points within “3-4 months”.

The latest US Congressional report on terrorism "Terrorist and Other Militant Groups in Pakistan", says that at least 12 groups designated as "foreign terrorist organizations" by the US are based in Pakistan, including five that are India-centric. As per the US administration, Islamabad continues to remain a base of operations for numerous non-state militant groups, many with global reach.

Financial aid at risk
With Pakistan's continuation in the grey list, it is increasingly becoming difficult for the country to get financial aid from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, Asian Development Bank (ADB) and the European Union, thus further enhancing problems for the country.

Pakistan has so far avoided being on the blacklist with the help of China, Turkey and Malaysia.

The FATF is an inter-governmental body established in 1989 to combat money laundering, terrorist financing and other related threats to the integrity of the international financial system.

The FATF currently has 39 members, including two regional organisations: the European Commission and the Gulf Cooperation Council.
India is a member of the FATF consultations and its Asia Pacific Group.

Who is on the list?
As of 2019, FATF has blacklisted North Korea and Iran over terror financing.

Jordan, Mali, Turkey were added to the grey list on Thursday. Bahamas, Cambodia, Ethiopia, Ghana, Pakistan, Panama, Sri Lanka, Syria, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia and Yemen are also on the grey list.

Mauritius and Botswana were removed from the grey list on Thursday.
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Who is blowing up the paki terrorists?
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nam wrote:Hafiz boy must be worried..
Saar, mother of goat how long will it pray for miracles, saar?
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Is this a chance for India to push TSP to the black list because Turkey cannot vote next time around for the mandatory 3 votes to save TSP's skin?
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Why was Mauritius on the grey list ?!
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V_Raman wrote:Why was Mauritius on the grey list ?!
Was a route for some rich Indian politicians to launder their money?
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That won't explain Cambodia, Trinidad and Tobago & Sri Lanka.

I think this is because of the poor control over the financial sector of the concerned country.
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SSridhar wrote:
Is this a chance for India to push TSP to the black list because Turkey cannot vote next time around for the mandatory 3 votes to save TSP's skin?
Sridharji i had asked the same question on the Porkistan Economic Stress thread. This is indeed a golden chance for India, but ultimately it is decided by the US and its western allies.
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Long live Turkey Pakistan friendship

FATF chaddi dost


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It also had a very rude picture of two canis lupus familiaris having a go, didn't think it was appropriate to post that
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After hearing this, the tellibunnies should lock their gates, pull up the drawbridges and head for the hills. Coming their way is this overly generous offer by Foot-in-Mouth (FM) Shahji Mamhmoodji Gaddi Nasheen "Peerwaley" bin Koreysh:

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What's this paki fetish with leather jackets?

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* TLP running amok in Lahore
* Nation wide protests by opposition parties
* Immy is flying out to KSA for a green summit along with "everything will be alright" ISI head. He is taking head of ISI for a green summit!
* Interior minister is camping in Dubai since last 2 days to watch India-Pak match. Must have gotten hint of riots.
* Rupee sinking
* IMF talks stalled
* Pak remains on FATF grey list

To prevent situation from getting out of hand, army chief Bajwa should do a coup and restore honor and dignity of the army.
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partha wrote:* TLP running amok in Lahore
* Nation wide protests by opposition parties
* Immy is flying out to KSA for a green summit along with "everything will be alright" ISI head. He is taking head of ISI for a green summit!
* Interior minister is camping in Dubai since last 2 days to watch India-Pak match. Must have gotten hint of riots.
* Rupee sinking
* IMF talks stalled
* Pak remains on FATF grey list
another normal day in TSP :mrgreen:
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Twitter reporting largescale violence across Pakistan. Please do your bit and retweet/post/forward far and wide. PKMKB.
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Pakistan Is Losing Too Many Soldiers In Counter Terrorism Operations

As I said to Gen Kayani and several other officers, far from taking pride in the courage of our men, I’d very concerned about why we are losing so many young officers and men.

After a drop in casualty rates in the ongoing counterterrorism operations, this year has again witnessed a spike. The frequency of attacks has increased as have the numbers of security forces personnel (including police and paramilitary troops) killed and injured by terrorist groups ambushing patrol parties and other vehicular movement.

The Inter-Services Public Relations press notifications have become a near-daily occurrence. Here, I give two examples of those notifications that also show what modi operandi the groups are using to target security forces personnel:

“Terrorists fire-raid security forces post in District Kech, Balochistan. Troops responded promptly. During fire exchange, Sepoy X embraced shahadat. Area search in progress to hunt down perpetrators of the incident.”

“Security forces along with police conducted cordon and search operation late last night. During operation, an IED exploded in Dabrai, Bajaur District. Resultantly, 2 FC soldiers… and 2 police constables… embraced shahadat. Area clearance being carried out to eliminate any terrorists found in the area.”

There are many other examples but these should suffice. In fact, the press notifications raise a number of questions with reference to how operations are being conducted. According to data compiled by South Asian Terrorism Portal, in 2021 until October (the ongoing month), there have been 207 incidents resulting in the killing of 177 civilians, 158 security personnel (this includes police/paramilitary) and 185 terrorists. By all benchmarks, this is a very high casualty rate for friendly forces.

But before I get to why we should take this very seriously and how we can bring the casualty rate down, let me go back to 2010. During a briefing by General Ashfaq Perez Kayani, which was preceded by a presentation by a Brigadier, a slide presented figures on the sacrifices of our soldiers and with a lot of pride showed that our officer-to-jawan kill ratio is 1:8 — i.e., for every eight soldiers in combat, we are losing one officer. The explanation: our officers lead from the front.

The statistics left me deeply disturbed. As I said to Gen Kayani and several other officers, far from taking pride in the courage of our men, I’d very concerned about why we are losing so many young officers and men. When someone enlists, he knows that when the time comes he must be ready to kill, or get killed. There is no clean battle. Incoming fire has a nasty habit of finding its target. Yet, that’s precisely what professional armies train for, developing the capability to inflict maximum damage on the enemy while minimising own losses in men and material.

This is the essence of what US General George Patton is reported to have said: “No ******** ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb ******** die for his country.” Patton was, of course, talking about a different time and a different war. Even so, his message remains constant for all types of war, including the irregular war we are still fighting, with no defined front and no rear, no clear zones of war and peace.

The enemy in this war is difficult to identify. He relies on kinship and ideological bonds, rarely offers a concentrated target, thereby blunting the advantage of a superior force, and can move from the sanctuary to the preparation area to the operational area with relative ease, both in terms of time and space. He has the element of surprise on his side. He can hunker down and wait for the opportunity. He can snipe at targets, use IEDs, raid isolated posts, and mount terror attacks in the cities. In effect, break the norms of fighting in order to gain an asymmetric advantage. The violence he generates is not great but consistent and incremental and creates a psychological effect to erode the resolve, if not of the army, then that of the civilian population.

Pakistan won this war at a great price. Along the way security forces learnt from their mistakes. It was long-drawn and painful but it worked. Pakistan won where, across the border to the west in Afghanistan, a large coalition of the most modern militaries failed. But it seems that we have let our guard down. Many officers and men who fought those battles and survived have retired. Is the institutional memory of lessons learnt being lost?

Pakistan has known and recorded the evolving situation for nearly two years now: disparate TTP groups reorganising and banding together; four Baloch terrorist organisations coming together to mount coordinated attacks; Islamic State-Khorasan cadres targeting security forces and Shia Pakistanis. Pakistan has also known, going by the dossiers made public by the government, that many of these elements are being supported and funded by India’s intelligence agencies. According to stories in the Indian media in 2017, the National Security Council Secretariat, headed by Ajit Doval, received a staggering 311% increase in funds. Some analysts have argued that this could be “to tackle issues at the intersection of cybersecurity and nuclear weapon delivery systems”, but that seems to be a stretch going by the traditional role of the National Security Council Secretariat.

Be that as it may, Pakistan has to be prepared, by its own reckoning, against Indian designs to foment trouble in its tribal districts as well as Balochistan. Simply referring to this as India’s perfidy will not do.

So, what should Pakistan do?

First, the operations and the losses must immediately be studied. Are we faltering on the training required for fighting this kind of war; is the enemy doing something different from what it was doing before and for which security forces developed countermeasures? What kind of organisational innovations are needed to tackle the evolving situation? Are the security forces employing new technologies to improve their intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance capabilities? The army has a lot of experience now in tackling IEDs; are those techniques being fully employed? Is there enough field and strategic intelligence on terrain, enemy resources, lines of communication, recruitment methods, training camps, concentration areas?

These questions are important. But even more important is whether military and other leaders are concerned about mounting casualty rate. Clearly, to address the issue would first require a deep concern about the safety and effectiveness of troops and policemen.

Pakistan has come a long way from the time it began fighting this war. It is decidedly in a much better position now than it was when this war began. As I noted above, lessons have been learnt and incorporated into training and manuals. The army also has better equipment, including drones both combat and surveillance. Are troops deployed in sensitive, vulnerable areas and points being provided the advantage of real-time ISR? There’s also a fence now. The ISPR calls some of these attacks fire raids: are these ambushes, long-distance sniping, shooting? Do patrol parties or other vehicular movement have the benefit of ISR? if not, why not? Are these attacks happening from the Afghanistan soil or do we have terrorists hiding in the population east of the border?

In this kind of war, as in any kind of war, intelligence is crucial. Is there effective coordination among intelligence agencies on the one hand and the fighting troops and agencies on the other?

There are many questions but very few answers. My own sense from having seen many operations is that the groups are not doing anything different. The Taliban, both in Afghanistan and here, have relied on ambushes, hit-and-run tactics, suicide bombings, IEDs. Where they can amass more men and firepower, they also go for flanking, encirclement and direct-fire engagement (what ISPR calls fire raids). Officers who have participated in previous operations also know that groups use generally the same spots and lines of communication for such attacks. It should not be too hard to prevent such attacks. The concerned officials must make clear how they are dealing with the situation and what data they are gathering. Putting out statistics and calling the fallen shaheeds doesn’t really cut and certainly doesn’t tell us what’s going on. It’s time to get some answers.


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Lal Haveli of Rawalpindi and Sheikh Rashid:a few recollections


Lal Haveli of Rawalpindi, Saga of Love and Love-Children and the hidden treasure.

This is a tale of two cities, one our ancestral Rawalpindi that my bygone generation, left behind in Punjabistan and the other is that they brought with them in their hearts and memories, and lived with it, where they lived rest of their lives no matter which city or continent they lived in.

Here in Delhi, there used to be a Sehgal Homeopathic Pharmacy in Kucha Ghasi Ram, Chandani Chowk and people including my maternal grandfather whom everyone addressed as Bhapa Ji had unflinching faith in it. I am not sure if the Sehgal Pharmacy is still there.

I used to go with Bhapa Ji to the pharmacy to buy medicines almost every time he visited Delhi; strangely we never reached there. The reason and hurdle were Mr Ram Segal, whom everyone addressed him Bauji.

Those old good days, Chandani Chowk was not thoroughly commercialized, there were shops, eateries, and few houses.


To reach Sehgal Pharmacy he used to take Zigzag bye-lanes. The crooked lanes were public places at the ground level, covered on the top by back-to-back hanging balconies and canopies joining or nearly joining each other at the first floor level of the houses that were on both sides. It is complex to understand that these lanes trespassed through the houses or the houses were the covered and furnished part of the lanes. Men sat on the ramps outside the houses, women combing children in public, whereas their bicycles were parked in the rooms. Even the satellite would have fool itself if had tried to take images.

In one of the comparatively broad lanes in proximity to the Sehgal Pharmacy lived Bauji. It was a ritual to visit his house and on the agenda to visit the pharmacy after that. The second phase of visiting Sehgal Pharmacy never materialized.

Bauji was a man of a massive built and glowing pink face. He was not a Kesdhari but dressed with a Turla, Kula, and Shamla layouts Pagree.

How the second phase of our plan was aborted every time by Bauji is explained here.

His living room opened into the broad lane and the door was always open, and Bauji was like a fixture mounted on a big reclining chair facing the lane and few men around. The need for a bell or knock was never there. Even before entering the living room of Bauji, we were greeted by the high pitched Satsriakal as if it was a war cry in the middle of a battlefield. Pointing at me Bauji always said 'oh! this little (Shaitaan Da Charka) mischief machine never leaves you Harabans’.

Then there was a long session about lost Havelis and fizzled out relations. Then there was who is where now? Session. With passing hours every hour there used to be a distinct menu snack session. When Phapaji used to send a signal through gestures that he had to leave.

Bauji asked him, have you come to buy medicines. Hand over the list to one of these men and enjoy chat and chaat-pakori i.e. chats and snacks.

I am not sure whether Bauji was the owner or somehow related to Sehgal Pharmacy.

Bauji was rich and possessed a car in those days.

A few points and were always repeated by Bauji that:

One, I am Ram Sehgal from Pindi city but stayed at the village named 'Gaha' at my Nanke(mothers parental home) till it was decided to put me in a school at Pindi. Second, Judge Dhanraj Sehgal, owner of Lal Haveli was his cousin. Third, no city in the world can match Pindi.

Bhapaji also repeated it every time that he owned big Summer-Houses both at Murri and Abbottabad. Their Jhangi Mohalla house was mid-sized. They had just built a mansion at Navan Mohala before the partition, the ceilings of the drawing-room and hallway were Mirror work. He owned a market Chtti-Hattiyan. One Rai Bahadur Buta Singh supplier of rail tracks to railways had mines at different places but at every Baisakhi, he used to come to Rawalpindi and sing hymns in the local Gurdwara. Sardar Budh Singh was his maternal uncle and Master Ramswaroop Suri was his cousin.

Mr Sehgal was the data bank of 'who is where now? All the visitors were unstoppable speakers and impatient listeners. House of Sehgal was a talking library and an unrecorded history dissemination organ. Matrimonial proposals and vouching for the groom family or bride side was another amateur diversion.

Many issues were brought upon on the floor of the house, misapprehensions were cleared in this self-styled 'Parliament of Pindi in Exile'.

Some of them admitted that for nearly a decade they kept believing that the Partition would be undone one day, so even when heading to Bharat instead of taking the inevitable hazards, they hid the valuables in some secret cavity in a wall or underground or parked it with Muslim servants or acquaintances.

What was the worth discussing bygones? I could not understand that time. These had no industrious worth but it was a mutual healing therapy and kept the ethos, social texture, and civilization alive.

The lessening of these sessions weakened the torch-bearing of the History and landing up believing in Nehru and Maulana Azad planted a conspired version of History.

Bauji repeatedly boasted that Dhanraj Sehgal hired an aircraft for migrating to India. He even brought his servants and pets. Bauji was uncomfortable in mentioning the shady visits of Dhanraj Sehgal to Lal Haveli in the post-partition era.

The impressive love story of Sehgal made it almost folklore, captivating for listening ears and fodder for the pastime. I am sure some filmmaker will catch it one day.

Seth Dhanraj Sehgal was a Barrister at law but anyhow called Judge Sahib or Seth Dhanraj Sehgal even Dhanna Seth.

He had a super-rich background. He had innumerable properties in India as well as in Europe.

Seth Dhanraj Sehgal was used to a sybaritic lifestyle. Whereas he was known as a successful entrepreneur whereas, his personal life was temperamentally complex.

Seth Dhanraj Sehgal had many concubines and kept all of them comfortable. Buddan Bai was a Muslim and his favourite one.

He built a huge Haveli in the posh area of Raja Bazar and bought adjacent properties. Rare Belgian Chandelier special Kashmiri Sagwan wood etc. was interwoven with silver wires. He hid about 4 Mauns of Gold and some precious stones in the Sehgal Haveli.

It was named 'Sehgal Haveli', anyhow it was popularly called Lal Haveli. Sehgal made sure that she had French Spirits and Swiss Chocolates. He gifted her a motor car and a few Belgian Diamond Necklaces.

Destiny had stored something different for lovebirds. Religion shattered their lives.

Muslim League demanded and got the country chopped into two separate Nation- a Muslim Pakistan only for Muslims and Bharat for all Religions.

Seth Dhanraj Sehgal left Rawalpindi that became Pakistan. Leaving behind numerous properties and Love Sagas.

Lal Haveli was now in possession of Budhan Bai. It was a windfall or a setback but the reality of her life.

Omnipotent Dhanraj was not around to pamper and protect her.

Realising that she may not be able to defend herself and assets all by herself. She invited half her brother from Sialkot and her sister Sherri, who was already in Rawalpindi, her neo-converted Husband Sheikh Hira. Sherri was a keep of a powerful businessman cum money lender Seth Hira Singh Sethi. He was a powerful man but was one day surrounded by Muslim mobs ready to kill him for not being a Muslim. Seth Hira Singh accepted Islam and married Sherri got the new name Sheikh Hira. Her brother, whom Buddan Bai she invited was a mere headcount, he was physically and mentally fragile.

Seth Hira and his wife moved to Lal Haveli on the invitation of his Sister in Law.

He was the de facto custodian of many Properties of expatriate Mona and Sikhs.

Shortly, he transferred his clients to other money lenders some of them were fresh arrivals from Bharat to their Promised Land Pakistan.

He sold everything but anyhow could not sell Lal Haveli and he could not even excavate the treasure hidden by Dhanraj Sehgal.

He converted all his wealth into gold form. In January 1950 he came to India, tried to get a strike deal with Seth Dhanraj Sehgal and get authorization from him to sell Lal Haveli and his other properties.

Initially, Sehgal agreed to all properties other than Lal Haveli. He said Haveli is for Buddan Bai and her son who was born after he came to India and the gold is for their love child.

Sheikh informed him that Buddan is now involved with other men and she is expecting in February. Dhanraj was cool.

In January while Sheikh and Sherri were staying as a guest of Dhanraj. Dhanraj flew to Rawalpindi stayed there for a few weeks and came back.

Meanwhile, Sheikh also went to Shimla and Srinagar to meet his cousins. One of his cousins informed him that some serious cases has been registered against him in Rawalpindi.

On coming back from Shimla and Srinagar Sheikh asked Sherri to return immediately and he will come later.

In Baisakhi of 1950, Sheikh re-converted to Sikhism and probably never went to Pakistan after that.

In November Shiree gave birth to male children Soon both sisters fell apart. Buddan suspected Dhanraj is the father of this child. Soon both sisters fell apart. She threw Shiri out of Lal Haveli.

Sherri moved to a nearby shabby house. Some Kashmiri /Punjabi adopted her child he was named Rashid. Sheikh @ Seth used to send some help to this child. But still, life was a real struggle for both mother and son.

When Buddan was to get Lal Haveli transferred in her name Sherri objected it claiming that since Dhanraj Sehgal was a Hindu who migrated, so his property is evacuees property.
Moreover, Budan was not married, her children are illicit, illegitimate and are from an emigrated Hindu. Whereas the portion in which she and her Husband a Muslim live should be transferred to them and their son. It said Buddan rebutted that her sister Shirris husband re-converted, he is wanted in many cases in Pakistan and is a citizen of India now, moreover that the father of her child is the same that of her children.

Having known this, I was interested to meet these people.

Having grown up listening to innumerable Pindi Partition, family, secretive stories I lived in Pindi without being there.

Fortunately, destiny made me go to Pakistan. It was a lifetime opportunity for me to satiate the inner desire. A gateway to Pindi, feel it through a time glass.

On inquiring where Budhan, Sherri, Rashid old-timers told me that only Rashid is perceptible. He is the same Sheikh Rashid who is the (in)famous Federal Minister Pakistan. He is the son of Dhanraj Sehgal. The other man said he is the son of Sheikh Hira, not Sehgal. His parentage is a mystery shuttle between Buddan, Sherri, Dhanraj Sehgal and Sheikh Hira@ Seth Hira Singh Sethi.

I also came to know from local old-timers that Rashid sold anything from sleepers to books at a Flea Market for a few years. A common friend of Dhanraj and Sethi from Lahore on request from Bharat helped Rashid sumptuously.

That made him rich, powerful and a leading politician of Pakistan.

Now, with newly acquired strength, he took forcible possession of most parts of the Lal Haveli.

With his clout Rashid got it reported like this. Suddenly, some dacoits surrounded the Lal Haveli, forcibly entered it, and wanted to know about the concealed treasure, kicked her son and went back. Budan’ son died because of it. It is said that Rashid forced her to drink cheap spirits and smoke cheap cigarettes. One day Budhan suddenly disappeared and was never seen again.

Locals call him by the names Seth Rajeev, Sherri di Tali etc.

In a meeting, I got a chance to informally speak to Rashid. I asked him if you are well acquainted with the people of Pindi, do you know any Lals (sons) of Sehgal or Seth? He pretended having not heard it. I said you are the real Lal, Seth Rasheed was shocked I said I mean you look so red.

This is purely a recollection of interactions based on others narrations.
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Vadivel wrote:
According to stories in the Indian media in 2017, the National Security Council Secretariat, headed by Ajit Doval, received a staggering 311% increase in funds. Some analysts have argued that this could be “to tackle issues at the intersection of cybersecurity and nuclear weapon delivery systems”, but that seems to be a stretch going by the traditional role of the National Security Council Secretariat.
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/pakistan ... in-ct-ops/
400% sure this is the level of "evidence" for nefarious Indian "designs" against Pakistan that's present in multiple dossiers that Pakistan has claimed to have submitted to UN and foreign diplomats.
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Sbajwa sir that was a very captivating depiction of history of Lal haveli. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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3 Policeman are dead and many injured in Pakistani protests. Punjab police has been given open orders to take on TLP and they are firing tear gas shells on the aashique-e- rasool. lets see how real Mard-e-momin of TLP will stand up to this.
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CalvinH wrote:3 Policeman are dead and many injured in Pakistani protests. Punjab police has been given open orders to take on TLP and they are firing tear gas shells on the aashique-e- rasool. lets see how real Mard-e-momin of TLP will stand up to this.
And they complained about how the police handled the stone pelters in Srinagar?

3 policemen martyred, several injured in clash with TLP protesters in Lahore
Three policemen were martyred and several others injured in clashes with workers of the proscribed Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) in Lahore
TLP leaders claim at least 500 workers injured, several killed
Internet services suspended
"Protesters also hurled petrol bombs on officials"
"The angry mob also used sticks and pelted stones"
officials tried to prevent them from vandalising and damaging public property
TLP supporters attacked a police checkpoint
the police attacked the peaceful rally that was on its way to Islamabad
"worst shelling in history"
"attacked from all sides"
"Rule of law must be ensured at all costs,"
He claimed that "thousands" were seriously injured and many had bullet injuries.
Haramiyon ka link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1653381/3-pol ... -in-lahore
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Narad wrote:Sbajwa sir that was a very captivating depiction of history of Lal haveli. Thanks for sharing your experience.
You are welcome., google Sheikh Rashid Ahmed who is federal minister of Pakistan, son of Mr Dhanraj Sehgal. This story was provided to me by my friend.
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SBajwa, very interesting. Thanks.
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https://twitter.com/drapr007/status/1451763243563700224
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#BREAKING : #Somalia will give a loan of USD 1 Million to #Pakistan at the rate of 6%. #SaudiArabia l denied to give additional loan to #Pakistan and ask to pay pending interest of existing loans before end of 2021.
Looks like small change is also being accepted.
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SBajwa wrote:Sheikh Rashid Ahmed who is federal minister of Pakistan, illegitmate son of Mr Dhanraj Sehgal. This story was provided to me by my friend.
Excellent work, sir. So, Sheikh "Chilli" Rasheed is an illegitimate son of a rich Hindu businessman. Naya musalman! Hence, his deep-seated hatred of Hindus.
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First, this news.

US, Pakistan nearing agreement on use of airspace for Afghanistan operations: report
Pakistan and the US are in talks and nearing agreement on the use of Pakistani airspace for military and intelligence operations in Afghanistan, says a report by CNN.
The report, citing three sources familiar with the details of a classified briefing held by US President Joe Biden with members of Congress, said Pakistan had expressed the desire to sign an MoU with the US government over the matter.
Islamabad, in exchange, wants assistance with its own counterterrorism efforts and help in managing the relationship with India, said a source.
A third source told CNN that the airspace deal was discussed between the two when US officials recently visited Pakistan. However, the source said, "it's not yet clear what Pakistan wants or how much the US would be willing to give in return."
Then, the predicted denial.
However, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs denied the report, saying that "no such understanding is in place."
PM Imran Khan says Pakistan will 'absolutely not' give bases to US military
Harami link: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/90247 ... ons-report
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chetak wrote:Long live Turkey Pakistan friendship

FATF chaddi dost

It also had a very rude picture of two canis lupus familiaris having a go, didn't think it was appropriate to post that
I saw the same picture, and thought that the analogy was offensive as well, offensive to dogs, that is.
SSridhar wrote:
Is this a chance for India to push TSP to the black list because Turkey cannot vote next time around for the mandatory 3 votes to save TSP's skin?
I think that they continue on the grey list for a few reasons:
1> They still have/had a couple of countries bail them out by voting for them (Turkey was one of them so might not be able to do so next time).
2> If they are in the black list there is a loss of leverage. The grey list keeps the Damocles sword hanging over their head, which is really what the Americans want. Like the Hindi movie villain Ajit's dialogue, they are in liquid oxygen - oxygen will not let them die and liquid will not let them live.
3> The black list is held in reserve to really punish them if they escalate on some front
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