Terroristan - April 15, 2021

[anupmisra]

With the TLP deal, pakhanistan is FATaFat heading to FATF. Just my 2 naya paisa.

[Manish_P]

Probably just another shade of Grey in the color pallette... one only needs to look at the west trying so hard to add white to the dark green 'raghead' taliban.

[Bart S]

With the TLP deal, pakhanistan is FATaFat heading to FATF. Just my 2 naya paisa.

Pakistan's relations with FATF (and for that matter IMF) are dependent on how much they GUBO to Unkil and little else.

They got tons of latest gen AMRAAMs and precision bombs even while they were hiding OBL in plain sight, the Americans at the time know that he was hiding in Pakistan, just hadn't yet figured out where in Pakistan. TLP is small fry in comparison.

Interestingly the Americans funded most of the Barelvi clerics who were precursors for the TLP type organizations. In the days after 9/11, one of the many cons that Musharraf and the Pakis pulled on the Americans was that Taliban/Al Queda = Wahabi/Deobandis = bad while Sufi/Barelvi = moderate and good (remember "enlightened moderation"?), and hence Barelvis needed to be funded and encouraged to balance them out. Massive amounts of American aid went towards that objective (with significant portions siphoned off by the Pakistani army of course, and funding going to their pet clerics only) just like CIA/Saudi money had funded Deobandi/Wahabi clerics in the preceding two decades.

[SSridhar]

. . . that Taliban/Al Queda = Wahabi/Deobandis = bad . . .

Even there, after some time, Musharraf started distinguishing between the 'good' and the 'bad' Taliban after the Lal Masjid events and TTP was formed which started attacking the State and him.

[g.sarkar]

One way of keeping India down and occupied is never to eliminate Pakistan completely. Pakistan is bad only for India. It is not effective against any other power, be it the US or China or Iran or Russia, so they will keep on sending aid.
Gautam

[Aditya_V]

One way of keeping India down and occupied is never to eliminate Pakistan completely. Pakistan is bad only for India. It is not effective against any other power, be it the US or China or Iran or Russia, so they will keep on sending aid.
Gautam

+1, this has been the strategy all along.

[Manish_P]

One way of keeping India down and occupied is never to eliminate Pakistan completely. Pakistan is bad only for India. It is not effective against any other power, be it the US or China or Iran or Russia, so they will keep on sending aid.
Gautam

+1 precisely and concisely put.

[anupmisra]

Pakistan's in the bag! Weaselface NSA's soon-to-be-famous U-turn quote: "I Will Not Go!" (up there with "Absolutely Not!")

'A spoiler can't be a peacemaker': Moeed Yusuf says will not attend Indian moot on Afghanistan

National Security Adviser (NSA) Moeed Yusuf on Tuesday categorically said that he would not attend an upcoming moot on the Afghanistan issue hosted by India.

"I will not go, a spoiler can't be a peacemaker," Yusuf said in response to a question by a reporter about whether Pakistan will be attending.

Yusuf also said that that Western countries may have the luxury to disengage from Afghanistan but Pakistan did not have that option.

Yusuf said: "It may be a luxury for the Western world sitting 10,000 miles away [to not bother about Afghanistan] but we do not have any option to disengage from Afghanistan."

"It is our right as Pakistan to remind the world about this," the NSA said.

The NSA was also questioned about the comments of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor Authority czar Khalid Mansoor who last month alleged that the United States was trying to derail the project.

Let the memes begin!

Harami link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1655514/a-spo ... fghanistan

[SBajwa]

One way of keeping India down and occupied is never to eliminate Pakistan completely. Pakistan is bad only for India. It is not effective against any other power, be it the US or China or Iran or Russia, so they will keep on sending aid.
Gautam

Why can't we understand that the only country that can fix pakistan is India. Other countries have their own interests. The sooner we fix pakistan the better it will be has been true since 1947.

[chetak]

One way of keeping India down and occupied is never to eliminate Pakistan completely. Pakistan is bad only for India. It is not effective against any other power, be it the US or China or Iran or Russia, so they will keep on sending aid.
Gautam

Why can't we understand that the only country that can fix pakistan is India. Other countries have their own interests. The sooner we fix pakistan the better it will be has been true since 1947.

how can India fix it, especially when the embers of the paki state are constantly kept glowing, fed by inimical entities from outside who are constantly fanning the fading flames

the reason is either soooper power rivalry or ummah jealousy, to either dominate the Indian markets or instigate the Indian minorities like it is openly happening with the "farmer's agitation", rampant conversions, and demographic changes

[SBajwa]

By fixing i meant uderstand that we are alone vs Pakistan and we must finish this battle alone while west, China and others will continue to prop up pakistan against us like it is being done.

Communists, pappi-jhappi(Tamasha) gang along with Bollywood needs to be dealt with firmly vs pakistan. The restication of students and arrest, etc of teachers who were celebrating pakistani win is a good start. We need to totally end diplomatic ties now.

BTW. Imran khan want better ties with India from USA as an agreement for bases and land access to Afghanistan

[Bart S]

BTW. Imran khan want better ties with India from USA as an agreement for bases and land access to Afghanistan

They didn't ask for better ties with India, they asked for help with managing ties with India, which is Paki vernacular for return to the old days where they could count on the US to pressure India on Kashmir and encourage Hurriyat types, while preventing India from reacting to blatant acts of terrorism carried out with the help of the shield of nuclear blackmail.

[jamwal]

Pakis are of Turkish descent now

Look at the other Pakis supporting the claim

[chetak]

niazi should not forget what happened to his relative.

[chetak]

All the pakis seem to produce are rapists and child molesters.... butthole bacha bazis and hereditary cornholers as befitting their genetic inbreeding



from the paki yawn (November 18, 2020)

Child abuse trial pending

In a separate case, the former Labour peer Lord Nazir and two of his brothers in 2019 were charged with historical sexual offences against minors. He has pleaded not guilty to all counts.

Lord Nazir was charged with serious sexual assault against a boy under the age of 11 and the indecent assault of the same boy; two counts of attempting to rape a girl who was under the age of 16. All charges relate to dates between 1971 and 1974.

His brother Mohamed Farouq was charged with four counts of indecent assault against a boy. One of these counts relates to when the boy was under eight, in the late 1960s. His other brother Mohammed Tariq was charged with two counts of indecent assault against a boy under 11.

The trial was set to commence in January this year but has been postponed to resume in January 2021 because of Covid-19 restrictions on jury trials.

[yensoy]

Pakis are of Turkish descent now
Look at the other Pakis supporting the claim

This is quite true. I had a Paki tell me that some years ago. I was too shocked to react. They joker telling me that was the opposite of TFTA.

When I came to my senses, I realized I should have suggested him to take a DNA test. Then I realized they probably DNA tests are rare in Paxtan. But now it seems to me that even mirrors are rare in Paxtan.

[Cyrano]

Proves their intelligence is skin deep.

[sanjaykumar]

Arab, Irani, central Asian now Turkish.

Who won the sperm competition? ( this is a legitimate biological concept)?

[Anujan]

As my fourth cousin twice removed used to say "Pakistanis are Central Asian Turko-Persian Arabs"

[Bart S]

Pakis are of Turkish descent now

Look at the other Pakis supporting the claim

This seems to be a recursive problem as ironically, most Turks are themselves not Turkic in ancestry but Greek

https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spen ... XHm_HHC678

[Prem]

As my fourth cousin twice removed used to say "Pakistanis are Central Asian Turko-Persian Arabs"

Pakistani' origin and location is on the tip of Arab Penis-ullah.

[Vips]

Arab, Irani, central Asian now Turkish.

Who won the sperm competition? ( this is a legitimate biological concept)?

Hainji no East Turkistani (Uyghur) descent? Why? is it because East Turkistani sperm is not TFTA and is chinese quality

[g.sarkar]

https://theprint.in/world/pakistan-sudd ... ce/761152/
Pakistan ‘suddenly’ stops Srinagar-Sharjah flight from using its airspace
The first Srinagar-Sharjah flight took off on 26 October after the announcement was made by Home Minister Amit Shah during his visit to Srinagar three days earlier.
Nayanima Basu 3 November, 2021
New Delhi: Pakistan has all unexpectedly disallowed its airspace for the recently resumed Srinagar-Sharjah direct flight, which began last month and was operating smoothly.
The first flight took off on 26 October after the announcement was made by Home Minister Amit Shah during his visit to Srinagar on 23 October.
The flight, operated by Go First, was running smoothly until Tuesday when it was forced to divert its flight path as Pakistan “suddenly” refused to let the aircraft use its airspace.
Official sources told ThePrint that some in Pakistan even said the service was in “violation of its airspace” by India despite the fact that the first few flights flew through their airspace.
Sources added that Pakistan informed India about its decision but did not give any particular reason for such a move.
The flight is now using another route through which it will now fly over Oman via Gujarat, which is making the route longer and will eventually lead to hiking of ticket prices, the sources said.
They added that Pakistan is likely taking such steps as the Imran Khan government has come under pressure domestically for not being able to come out with a comprehensive policy to counter India’s move to scrap Article 370, which turned the state of J&K into an Union Territory.
India has not yet officially issued a statement on Pakistan’s decision.
......
Gautam

[chetak]

Shut down all exports including medicines and all trade via dubai and other third countries

we need to seriously cripple these guys and force them away from us but when will we ever learn

let them source their needs elsewhere.

we continue to import paki owned shan masalas/spices, only now, they are paki made, exported and repackaged in dubai to be re exported to India as a dubai product

[g.sarkar]

Major Arya on banning Srinagar-Sharjah flights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voZrz9q ... ublicWorld
Pakistan: Tactical Gain, Strategic Loss | Checkmate Ep - 12 With Major Gaurav Arya (Retd.), Nov 4, 2021
Major Saab thinks that there should be counter measures from the Indian side.
Gautam

[rajsunder]

Major Arya on banning Srinagar-Sharjah flights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voZrz9q ... ublicWorld
Pakistan: Tactical Gain, Strategic Loss | Checkmate Ep - 12 With Major Gaurav Arya (Retd.), Nov 4, 2021
Major Saab thinks that there should be counter measures from the Indian side.
Gautam

ban overflights of any airline that takes off from bakistan over Indian air space. They will know the pain of the Indian kick.

That one act will stop any baki travel to the eastern part of the globe without paying higher air fare.

Also ban any multinational company that is doing business in bakistan its ability to do business in India. These multinational companies would have to decide if they give preference to their business in India or bakistan.

Also why is it that we never do more direct info warfare in bakistan? releasing information on their generals assets and their loot worldwide on social media would create a lot of trouble for these baki generals.

[rsingh]

I it was mistake of Major Sahib to publicly challenge Pakistan to remove flight permission. He overdid it. There was this "parde ke piche" agreement. Major Sahib challenged this on every show. Bakis do react on question of H&D. So this was expected.

[Pratyush]

This was a good show from Pakistan. Eventually, H&D is important. How could the bloody Yindians think that it will have no repercussions.

That will teach Yindia to take Pakistan seriously.

Let's see how the Indian government will respond to this.

[yensoy]

Sadly, I don't think people here understand the overflight matter at all (and many do, I am sure).

Paki overflights to the east are almost zero, and absolute zero during Covid. Just look up flightradar24 or any similar site and convince yourself.

Our need for overflying Pakistan are huge. For one we are a much bigger country. We are more prosperous. We have more business and people connections, and most of these involve some flying over Pakistan due to our geography and due to the location of our trade partners - the Gulf, Europe and North America. Apart from Mumbai/South India flying to the Gulf, pretty much all the other combinations have some element of use of Pakistani airspace.

The only way we can reach pain on Paxtan is to ban the use of air routes for all airlines which transit Pakistan, i.e. we do not allow handoff from their ATC to our ATC. This indeed was the case for months after Balakot. It affected all the major airlines which fly in our region but it was a body blow to Air India, Indigo and others who had to make circuitous detours to reach the Gulf or Europe from India.

There are close to 10 India - North America nonstop flights on a daily basis in each direction - Air India, United and Air Canada. These rely on flying over Wakhan corridor & Pakistan enroute to Delhi (mostly). You can kiss these goodbye and then deal with the vicissitudes of transiting through Europe during these days of Covid if you block our airspace. It is suicidal for our people and business links to NA.

Also keep in mind that Pakis will fly over PoK and through China to reach east asia if they need to, so our air wall has a PoK sized hole in it.

Overflight denial is not our strength vis-a-vis Paxtan. Better put thoughts of overflight ban to rest. There are other diplomatic tools to employ.

[Aditya_V]

I it was mistake of Major Sahib to publicly challenge Pakistan to remove flight permission. He overdid it. There was this "parde ke piche" agreement. Major Sahib challenged this on every show. Bakis do react on question of H&D. So this was expected.

Actually this good, we can retaliate in their flights to Nepal and Malaysia- These networks are important to them. And we dont need to retialiate via just Air routes, we can hit them where we feel it hurts them.

I hope he challenges them to withdraw from IWT also.

[chetak]

This was a good show from Pakistan. Eventually, H&D is important. How could the bloody Yindians think that it will have no repercussions.

That will teach Yindia to take Pakistan seriously.

Let's see how the Indian government will respond to this.

the new route after the pakis banned the overflight

[rajsunder]

Pakis are of Turkish descent now

Look at the other Pakis supporting the claim

This seems to be a recursive problem as ironically, most Turks are themselves not Turkic in ancestry but Greek

https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spen ... XHm_HHC678

when turks ruled over Greeks, whenever turks found a Greek kid with leadership potential, they would convert that kid in to islam.
may be with the leadership qualities, these kids got laid more and so turks got Greekified.

[SRajesh]

^^^Sir
Look at the Janissary and their recruitment
Blood tax or Child Levy or Slave soldiers whatever you call them they were Europeans enlisted as Janissary after conversion.
So much for Turkic origin!!

[CalvinH]

To the overflight ban we should respond with where we have similar advantage. Say amend the IWT to include retaliation for such measures from Pak. Block companies from sending medicine to Pakis via Dubai. Ask Pakistani embassy to close and send all the staff back.

India should respond to such measures to block our economic progress with a heavy hand and escalate it immediately to the nth level. No intermediate escalatory steps.

[Bart S]

To the overflight ban we should respond with where we have similar advantage. Say amend the IWT to include retaliation for such measures from Pak. Block companies from sending medicine to Pakis via Dubai. Ask Pakistani embassy to close and send all the staff back.

India should respond to such measures to block our economic progress with a heavy hand and escalate it immediately to the nth level. No intermediate escalatory steps.

Plus whatever sales goes to them, hike the prices and include compensation for the extra aviation fuel and time consumed, and also compensation for victims of terrorism.

Indian govt should make it a rule that all trade with Pakistan can only be done on a govt to govt basis, and make it illegal for Indian companies to deal with Pakistan directly or via third party location.

[Bart S]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxYMYOvbKhg


Watch from 2:20 or so.

Ahmedilullah, solution to all the problems of Pakistan's economy

[kancha]

To the overflight ban we should respond with where we have similar advantage. Say amend the IWT to include retaliation for such measures from Pak. Block companies from sending medicine to Pakis via Dubai. Ask Pakistani embassy to close and send all the staff back.

India should respond to such measures to block our economic progress with a heavy hand and escalate it immediately to the nth level. No intermediate escalatory steps.

No need to amend the IWT whatsoever. The VERY FIRST SENTENCE of the Preamble to the treaty says that it is being signed in a spirit of goodwill and friendship!
Paki actions such as the one mentioned above hardly reflect goodwill, or friendship for that matter. Also used later in the same sentence is the phrase 'cooperative spirit'.

This, right here, is an adequate reason for putting compliance with the treaty on temporarily hold forever , if we indeed choose to.
Here's the text of the treaty that I refer to: (LINK

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan, being equally desirous of attaining the most complete and satisfactory utilisation of the waters of the Indus system of rivers and recognising the need, therefore, of fixing and delimiting, in a spirit of goodwill and friendship, the rights and obligations of each in relation to the other concerning the use of these waters and of making provision for the settlement, in a cooperative spirit, of all such questions as may hereafter arise in regard to the interpretation or application of the provisions agreed upon herein, have resolved to conclude a Treaty in furtherance of these objectives, and for this purpose have named as their plenipotentiaries :

[hnair]

So the only flight the pakis nixed is the one from Srinagar to Dubai. Why are we talking about giving importance to that?

We need to check on why. The other flights, they won’t dare to do - if there is anything that both RAPEs like Immy/Moist ( ) Yusless etc and khakis have in common, it is a morbid fear of a backlash from west against travel to these guys’ preferred showrooms in London or NYC. If the FATF had a clause that says these guys can’t shop abroad, all terrorism will be stopped and Haqqanis will be little green silk covered mounds in the sand. The shopping access is #2 in the redlines these guys have. #1 is bombs landing in corner plots at Pind or isloo and that is the only time when they will stop ALL flights. That was what happened after Balakot: they did not know if the wide body coming into their airspace is an United flight or Capt visiting his GF or some yindoo wickedness in getting a c130 converted into a bomb truck with lots of M2Ks moving like Infantry behind a tank. So they panicked, decided to wear last year’s Hermes as an emergency measure and stopped all flights.

This DBX overflights ban on the new flight is but Immy seeing an opportunity to recover some H&D over 370. Reasons are many including the most important one. DBX is the global hub from which lots of SAARC bound tourists embark (gora log transit in droves to Maldives, SriLanka and Nepal, that I am aware of). If this flight becomes successful and UT Kashmir gets a good flow of global tourists, it will be another nail into the coffin containing their dream of grabbing Srinagar via popular discontent. The circuitous route means more spent on airborne costs for the airlines. And higher ticket prices which Dimmy/Yusless assumes will cause lesser flow But then, that is just one thing that matters in the cost of tickets.

Easiest solution? Since this is AAI airport, those babus roosting there must be charging extortion-rate user-fees per passenger. GoI can easily take this fee out (1k plus for international) and keep the ticket prices steady. This cost is not even a rounding error in the money spend on Cashmere. Or it can be recovered by charging a wee bit extra at wagah stompy comedy

But we need this flight to continue for many reasons.

So why are we even bothering with ban of ALL overflights and other measures? We just swat this silly issue away with the swish of our elephantine tail. As Gerald once proposed, this must eb dealt with by a paan-chewing chaparasi level. Or pakis will think they are brilliant and hurt themselves more with some other silliness.

[chetak]

^^^^^^^
the srinagar to dubai flights, and the paki overflight ban

This is what is actually upsetting the pakis and causing the smoking/burning of their short and curly hair in their nether regions

Their "beloved" OIC has broken ranks and also publicly kicked the pakis in the teeth

In a way, they have firmly endorsed India's position on cashmere

Dubai's investment in Jammu & Kashmir "a major success for India": Ex-Pak envoy Abdul Basit

Dubai's investment in Jammu & Kashmir "a major success for India": Ex-Pak envoy Abdul Basit


Oct 22, 2021,

Synopsis
The development has left Pakistan baffled. Former Pakistan Ambassador to India Abdul Basit said now that the MoU has been signed, it's clear that the matter is slipping out of Pakistan's hands.

Pakistan's former envoy to India Abdul Basit has said the Government of Dubai signing an MoU with the administration of Jammu and Kashmir for promoting industrial development in the Union Territory is "a major success for India" and a setback to Prime Minister Imran Khan's foreign policy. On Monday, an agreement was inked between the Union Territory of Jammu and Kashmir and the government of Dubai at the Raj Bhawan in Srinagar to ramp up infrastructure and industries in the region.

"This [signing of MoU] is a major success for India in the context of both Pakistan and Jammu and Kashmir as OIC [Organisation of Islamic Cooperation] members have always kept Pakistan's sensibilities on Kashmir at the forefront," Basit, a former high commissioner of Pakistan to India, said in his YouTube vlog.

Criticising Prime Minister Khan's foreign policy, Basit, who was Islamabad's envoy to New Delhi from 2014 to 2017, said it is clear that Pakistan has ceded ground to India.

"In the past, they [OIC member nations] have never done something to make Pakistan feel that Muslim nations and the OIC are not standing behind us on the Kashmir issue. They may not have been very vocal, but have ensured not to work against our sentiment on Kashmir," he was quoted as saying by The News International newspaper.

[Vips]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxYMYOvbKhg


Watch from 2:20 or so.

Ahmedilullah, solution to all the problems of Pakistan's economy

Check at the very start - the Paki is asking demanding $100 Billion from china at 0% interest.