Quad News and Discussion- June 2021

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Vimal ji,
India's leadership, for once, is not overawed by the goras, and is very confident in its own right.
Thats the point the west is slowly realising about present day India. I'd slightly rephrase it as

"India is not overawed by the goras, and is very confident in defending and furthering its own interests as determined by it, in ways it sees fit".

Because not just the Govt, even businesses, academics, and consumers have started to do the above increasingly. Media and entertainment are the stragglers, but even there, a channel like WION or Republic are successful.

The west is still going to make one more big mistake as it adjusts and deals with an India focused on its interests : They will suppose India will be going after the same kind of interests as the west, in the same way as the west. Predatory, exploitationinst, expansionist, mercantile, evangelist, universalist (though perhaps India has the most justifiable claim to such than any other, but we really don't) and try to set up zero sum games with India. It will take them a lot more years to realise that India is different and correct for that.

The QUAD experiment itself will be a good place to watch this process unfold.

We can explore more on this angle in the "India's interests" thread.
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Larry Walker wrote:If PRC attacks RoC - what will be GoI stand ? Asking because India does not recognize RoC as independent of PRC and maintains One-China policy - and in that case technically PRC is not attacking an independent country.
Eezy peezy - "This is not an era for war" ! Onree :mrgreen:
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Have you seen #Kantara movie?
If no focus on what the forest people say and their philosophy..
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Aditi Malhotra, a young scholar, has written a new book on "India in Indo-Pacific".

I recommend it.
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Larry Walker wrote:If PRC attacks RoC - what will be GoI stand ? Asking because India does not recognize RoC as independent of PRC and maintains One-China policy - and in that case technically PRC is not attacking an independent country.

Larry Walker ji,

If one is not mistaken, India has, for some years now, not vocalized the "one china policy" that is demanded by the cheenis and that particular "required statement" is not made in communiques, etc
One China’: Delhi, demand reciprocity

https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/se ... 34382.html
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also please read XJP speech at 20th Congress. he very clearly stated a peaceful merger with Taiwan under the "One China Two states" model. He did not rule out force in case external actors(US) try to force a different path.
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Larry Walker wrote:If PRC attacks RoC - what will be GoI stand ? Asking because India does not recognize RoC as independent of PRC and maintains One-China policy - and in that case technically PRC is not attacking an independent country.
Larry,
China's claim over Taiwan is tenuous at the best. China never established its rule over Taiwan, not even during the later Qing period. It is even worse than its Tibet claim really.
China said in June this year that Taiwan Straits was not an international waterway and belongs to China. Clearly, it wants to appropriate what is essentially a Global Commons. This rang alarm bells everywhere. This is a crucial waterway for India's trade and India has a legitimate right & role in keeping it open. Aggression against and appropriation of Taiwan dents crucial national interests.
China can never establish a peaceful state-to-state relationship with us as it sees us as a strategic competitor to its sole Middle Kingdom ambition.
IMO, technicalities are like deterrence. They matter up to a point but breakdown thence.
Once broken, diplomats will then have to explain away the nuances of the technical change and restore us to the usual moral high pedestal.
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Taiwan has not declared itself to be an independent state.

Currently it exists as one of the parties to the civil war.

The clarity has to come from Taiwan. Before India should be asked about the topic.

However, I am all for using it as stick with which to beat PRC.
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Adm Hari Kumar spoke at a Indo-Paciic conference in Delhi.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/15952816 ... 9FQmw&s=19
Delhi | The growing realities of the contemporary world, both in geo-political & economic terms, underscores the need for a confluence of the Indian and Pacific Oceans: Navy Chief Admiral R Hari Kumar at 4th edition of Indo-Pacific Regional Dialogue, 2022
There are three more tweets.
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In navigating our path, there are a number of challenges that need to be overcome. They include imperatives at home, influences from abroad, and intrusive paradigms: Navy Chief Admiral R Hari Kumar
Imperatives at home not just for India but all include promoting mutual growth & prosperity through inclusive & innovative approach, preserving safe&secure environment across (Indian Ocean) region & protecting against forces which are trying to destabilise the region: Navy Chief
Influences from outside incl reshaping global competition, rebalancing geostrategic equations incl increased volatility in global security environment & rising potency of both state&non-state sponsored actors & redefining character of warfare changing like a chameleon: Navy Chief
Intrusive paradigms include niche and disruptive technologies across military & civil, cyber, cognitive domains & their weaponisation using imaginative tools, techniques & targets which is particularly relevant for countries like ours which are free, open & democratic: Navy Chief
A few more once speech is complete
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ramana wrote:Adm Hari Kumar spoke at a Indo-Paciic conference in Delhi.
Delhi | The growing realities of the contemporary world, both in geo-political & economic terms, underscores the need for a confluence of the Indian and Pacific Oceans: Navy Chief Admiral R Hari Kumar at 4th edition of Indo-Pacific Regional Dialogue, 2022
That was exactly the title of Shinzo Abe's speech in the joint session of our Parliament in 2007, 'The Confluence of the Seas' which he usurped from Dara Shikoh's 'Confluence of the Two Oceans' meaning Hinduism & Islam.
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I am reading Aditi Malhotra's India and Indo Pacific
viewtopic.php?p=2570637#p2570637
The author argues that India’s quest to leverage its geostrategic location to emerge as an Indo-Pacific actor faces multiple challenges, which create a clear divide between the country’s political rhetoric and action on the ground. The author critically examines these contradictions to better situate India's security role in an increasingly fluid Indo-Pacific region.
Adm Hari Kumar is trying to reconcile these contradictions in his speech*. While reading the ebook I felt Indian policymakers are abdicating Indo-Pacific to the Indian Navy. In my opinion, Indo-Pacific is not just a naval matter but a historical imperative that India needs to bring full resources to bear.
Let me elaborate.
Before the 16 Century started, Asia was three regions: Ottoman Turkey, Mughal India, and Ming China.
First India fell to European Colonization, which led to falling of Qin China and the eventual Ottoman fall.
India getting Independence is part of the Asian revival. The shift to Asia from Europe and to the Indian Ocean from the Atlantic is a historical cyclical change.
The new factors are America in the East of Asia and the rise of Russia in Central Asia (earlier Xhongniu region).
It's India's fortune that at the crux of history the right leader emerges and nudges the wheel of history. Lal Bahadur Shastri, PVNR and NaMo.
So the shift to Indo-Pacific is a historical imperative and not just a naval initiative.
I understand Indian Navy has to take the lead at this stage but the drivers are the bigger force of history.
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Prasar Bharati
Indo-Pacific Regional Dialogue 2022: Discussing geopolitical developments in Indo-Pacific Region

An apex-level international annual conference of the Indian Navy, 'Indo-Pacific Regional Dialogue 2022' is being held from today, November 23 to November 25, 2022.

Indo-Pacific Regional Dialogue 2022 (IPRD) is the principal manifestation of Navy’s engagement at the strategic-level. The theme of the fourth edition of IPRD is ‘Operationalising the Indo-Pacific Oceans Initiative (IPOI)’, which was articulated by Prime Minister, Narendra Modi in Bangkok at the 14th East Asia Summit (EAS) on November 04, 2019.

https://twitter.com/PBNS_India/status/1 ... 9274496001

The Operationalising the Indo-Pacific Oceans Initiative (IPOI) is a comprehensive and inclusive construct for regional cooperation that is focused on seven interconnected spokes or pillars: Maritime Security, Maritime Ecology, Maritime Resources, Disaster Risk-reduction and Management, Trade-Connectivity and Maritime Transport, Capacity-building and Resource sharing, and Science, Technology and Academic Cooperation.

Indo-Pacific Regional Dialogue 2022 -

Indo-Pacific Regional Dialogue 2022 is being conducted in physical format in New Delhi, through six professional sessions spread over the three-day period from today November 23 to 25, 2022. Globally renowned speakers and eminent panellists will explore how the areas of maritime cooperation envisaged in the IPOI could be optimally and inclusively operationalized. In addition, there will be an inaugural session and a Margdarshan (Guidance) session which would include addresses from Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, Union Environment Minister Bhupendra Yadav and MoS for Defence Ajay Bhatt.

The six thematically-arranged sessions of the IPRD-2022 are:
- Weaving the Fabric of Holistic Maritime Security in the Indo-Pacific: Multilateral Options
- Constructing Holistic - Security Bridges across the Western and Eastern Maritime Expanse of the Indo-Pacific
- Building maritime Connectivity: Ports, Trade, and Transport
- Capacity-building and Capability Enhancement Leveraging the Physical and Social Sciences
- Practical approaches to a Regional Blue Economy
- Disaster Risk-reduction and Management; Solutions for Small Island Developing States (SIDS) and Vulnerable Littoral States.

The Indian Navy, as the lead maritime security agency of the government is deeply invested in the actualization of each of the seven spokes or pillars of the IPOI. The 2022 edition of the Indo-Pacific Regional Dialogue (IPRD-2022) is appropriately centered upon the IPOI and its operationalization, with particular but not exclusive focus upon the pillars of ‘Maritime Security’.

Previous edition of INDO-PACIFIC REGIONAL DIALOGUE

IPRD's first two editions were held in New Delhi in 2018 and 2019, respectively. IPRD 2020 was cancelled due to the COVID-19 outbreak. The third edition of IPRD was held in 2021 in online mode.

The aim of each successive edition of the IPRD is to review both opportunities and challenges that arise within the Indo-Pacific. Through this annual dialogue, the Indian Navy and the NMF continue to provide a platform for incisive discussions pertaining to the geopolitical developments affecting the maritime domain of the Indo-Pacific.

The National Maritime Foundation (NMF) is the Navy's knowledge partner and chief organizer of each edition of the event. The IPRD seeks to foster exchange of ideas and promote deliberations on regionally relevant maritime issues. Being a Track 1.5 event that aims to encourage discussions on public policy, the IPRD endeavors for a balanced representation from government and non-government agencies and institutions.
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Program brochure: https://maritimeindia.org/wp-content/up ... ressed.pdf

Read the abstracts of the presentations.
Missing is a prespective from Russia which is also a Pacfic Ocean power.
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Good article in Global Asia

https://www.globalasia.org/v17no1/featu ... to-ganguly

Will post in full with my comments.
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We need to understand how the US sees the Quad in its strategy of containing China. Without this, we won't understand Chinese angst wrt QUAD.

First of all, the US formed something called the Island Chain Strategy at the end of World War II. While it didn't look important wrt containing the Soviet Union during Cold War but was going on quietly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_chain_strategy

It describes the First and Second Island Chains

Later CSIS group on Asian Maritime Security added two more island chains described below.

https://amti.csis.org/chinas-reach-grown-island-chains/
"The Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI), a group under the Center for Strategic and International Studies, argues that a fourth and a fifth island chain should be added to an overall understanding of Chinese maritime strategy in the Indo-Pacific. Whereas the first three island chains are located in the Pacific Ocean, these two newly proposed ones are in the Indian Ocean, which would reflect the growing Chinese interest in the region.

The proposed fourth chain would include places like Lakshadweep, the Maldives and Diego Garcia to disrupt the String of Pearls waypoints towards the Persian Gulf such as the Gwadar Port and Hambantota; while the proposed fifth chain would originate from Camp Lemonnier in the Gulf of Aden, around the Horn of Africa and along the entire East African coastline through the Mozambique Channel (between Mozambique and Madagascar, including the Comoro Islands) towards South Africa, to encircle the Chinese naval base at Doraleh, Djibouti and sabotage China's trade with Africa.[1]
This ignores the point that the US base in Djibouti is next to the Chinese base!!!
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This is what the US sees in Quad: the fourth and fifth island chains to contain China are far away in the West in the Indian Ocean.

It's like the Emperor Wu of the Han dynasty wanted to attack the Xongniu in the North of China by allying with the Yuezhi in their West.
This is what China sees in the QUAD through the lens of Chinese Han history.
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A US-based Indian scholar perspective on QUAD

https://www.cfr.org/article/quad-aukus- ... s-dilemmas

The Quad, AUKUS, and India’s Dilemmas
The partnership India has forged with the United States, Australia, and Japan appears to be gaining momentum, but some challenges remain.

Article by Manjari Chatterjee Miller

October 13, 2021 2:29 pm (EST)

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi receives a grand welcome in New Delhi after returning from a three-day visit to the United States in September 2021.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi receives a grand welcome in New Delhi after returning from a three-day visit to the United States in September 2021. Mohd Zakir/Hindustan Times/Getty Images

When the defense arrangement between the United States, Australia, and the United Kingdom (UK), known as AUKUS, was announced last month, Indian Foreign Secretary Harsh Vardhan Shringla said the deal was “neither relevant to the Quad, nor will it have any impact on its functioning.” The statement, made just before Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was to visit the United States for the first in-person Quad summit, was an attempt to downplay the significance of AUKUS for India and forestall any distractions from the summit.

The earliest seeds of the Quad grouping were sown in 2004, when the United States, Australia, India, and Japan came together to provide humanitarian assistance after the devastating Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami. In 2006, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his Japanese counterpart, Shinzo Abe, noted in a joint statement that “India, Japan, and other like-minded countries in the Asia-Pacific” needed to cooperate on mutual interests. By 2007, Abe had made one of the earliest references to the Indo-Pacific as a strategic space by talking of “the dynamic coupling” of the Indian and Pacific Oceans and “the confluence of the two seas.”

The Quad was born from the vision of the Indo-Pacific as a single strategic space, where activities in one area would inevitably affect activities in the other. There were two underlying motivations behind this grouping and vision. The first was that the United States, Australia, India, and Japan have a vested interest in upholding the rules and norms of the current order; augmenting existing institutions; ensuring freedom of navigation and trade; and promoting connectivity, economic development, and security within existing rules and standards. The second was that all four Quad members believed that China’s rise and the reach of its Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) posed a threat to them and the region.

Yet, the Quad was essentially dormant until 2017. It was resurrected (Quad 2.0) for a number of reasons, not the least of which was that the Donald Trump administration saw the Indo-Pacific as a crucial theater of competition with China and thought India could play an important role in countering China in the region. Meanwhile, India had just faced a number of border skirmishes with China, making it more willing to invest in the Quad.

Quad Complications

The problem for India, however, is that even with its renewed wariness about China, and the rebooting of the Quad, it has to weigh a number of long-standing and conflicting security, diplomatic, and economic calculations.

India’s vision of the Indo-Pacific rests more on the Indian Ocean and less on the Pacific Ocean, where Chinese assertiveness arouses the most concern from the United States, Australia, and Japan. For India, the Indo-Pacific framework stretches from the east coast of Africa to the western and southern Pacific and includes portions of the Middle East. In contrast, the United States includes neither Africa nor the Middle East in its conception of the Indo-Pacific.

India is uncomfortable with any conception of the Quad as an anti-China “alliance of democracies” (as U.S. President Joe Biden has put it). India supposedly jettisoned nonalignment after the end of the Cold War, but it is still not willing to enter into an alliance with any country or group. India is certainly worried about a rising China but also faces the reality that, as of this year, China overtook the United States to become its number-one trading partner.

Another dilemma India faces is that any formal grouping of democracies through the Quad could raise expectations that it will be a vigorous proponent of promoting democracy abroad. But that will not sit well with India, which has traditionally refrained from advocating for democracy and democratic ideals in its foreign policy. It is also extremely sensitive to criticism, and any references to the rising authoritarianism and illiberalism that the Modi government has been accused of will potentially derail relationships. :?: :?: :?:

Finally, while the U.S.-India partnership has progressed rapidly over the past few years, in some quarters, India remains a little wary of the United States as a long-term reliable and trustworthy partner.

What AUKUS Means

The announcement of AUKUS has underlined some of these contradictions. The Quad is not an Asian North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and has no commitment to collective security. Security cooperation between individual Quad countries predates the Quad, is limited, and often works bilaterally through the two-plus-two framework (defense and foreign minister meetings). AUKUS is emphatically a security grouping to contain China. In an indication of closeness, the United States, usually reluctant to share sensitive nuclear-submarine technology, agreed to do so with Australia.

For India, this means that the Quad can maintain its broad agenda—its recent summit highlighted cooperation on COVID-19 vaccine distribution, climate change, technology, and science expertise—and is absolved of any immediate responsibility to step up and commit to an explicitly anti-China security framework. This meshes well with India’s outlook—it would like China contained but does not want to be the one containing China—as well as its defense policy; it relies on diverse sources of defense equipment, including Russia.

{Point to note US thinks QUAd is not just anti-China but also anti-Russia. Case in point US angst wrt India's stance on Ukraine}

However, policymakers in India took notice that under AUKUS, the United States is sharing coveted technology with one Quad partner but not another. AUKUS also undercut the United States’ NATO ally France in the process. In Indian policy circles, that created sympathy for France, which is a close defense partner, and raised questions about India’s own standing with the United States. It also made clear to India that it is justified in continuing to diversify its sources of defense equipment.

Despite some reservations, the Quad is very important to India. It can provide a long-term strategy to deter China in the region, especially given that Chinese strategy, thus far, has been less about security encirclement and more about economic enmeshment. China is, for example, a key player in the global supply chain, not just through BRI, but also through initiatives such as vaccine diplomacy, exporting critical minerals, and building up people-to-people knowledge networks. Through the Quad, India can have more impact in shaping the global order and restraining China. At the same time, the Quad keeps the door open for India for close defense cooperation without resorting to a security alliance.

India is also very important to the Quad. A Quad without India would have less heft, less credibility in Asia, and would immediately lose the “Indo” in “Indo-Pacific.” It’s a partnership of mutual gain, and to strengthen the Quad, the United States should not only continue to make clear to India that it is as valued a member as Japan and Australia, but also think about formalizing a structure for the grouping, including by establishing a secretariat that would facilitate multilateral cooperation and think through what the Quad stands for, rather than who it is against.
She suddenly comes up with a proposal without leading up to it.
Biden Admin wants India to be a Gungdin and cut ties to Russia more than containing China.
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ramana wrote:Biden Admin wants India to be a Gungdin and cut ties to Russia more than containing China.
After seeing the treachery and fecklessness of US/NATO in Ukraine, I may have to agree with you. This is all about a fanatical, almost mindless hatred of Russia. The DC swamp doesn't seem to have a problem with China, half of them are "on the take" from China.
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Its not mindless.
Russia is the only nuke power that can take on the US.
So they are wary of them but want everyone else to hold their water bag.
That's where the problem is.
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Twitter summarizing Abe's memoirs


https://twitter.com/kenmoriyasu/status/ ... hSQEJP00zg
7/ Abe on Quad: "In my 1st administration (2006-2007) I proposed the Quad to Manmohan Singh but unfortunately he was hesitant. I think he was concerned about damaging relations with China. In my 2nd administration (2012-2020) Narendra Modi was more understanding."

8/ "Modi's stance was that India would not join the Quad if it was just the U.S. and Australia. But if Japan was going to take the lead, he was going to say yes."
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I thought this was some fan boy art, but see the picture below the first one. Anyone know when this occurred?

India's Chakra is in the middle, the Commonwealth Star of Australia is represented by the four large stars (@ 12, 3, 6 and 9) around the Chakra, the American stars are represented via the small stars that surround the Chakra and the rays of the rising sun represent Japan.

https://twitter.com/glowiepepe/status/1 ... 02947?s=20 ---> New QUAD flag has dropped!

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https://twitter.com/glowiepepe/status/1 ... 06658?s=20 --->

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Joint Statement of the Quad Ministerial Meeting in New Delhi
The following is the joint statement released by the Secretary of State of the United States and the Foreign Ministers of the Governments of Australia, India, and Japan on the occasion of the Quad Foreign Ministers’ Meeting.

Begin Text:

We, the Foreign Ministers of Australia, India and Japan and the Secretary of State of the United States of America met in New Delhi, India on March 3, 2023, for the Quad Foreign Ministers’ Meeting. Our meeting today reaffirms the Quad’s steadfast commitment to supporting a free and open Indo-Pacific, which is inclusive and resilient. We strongly support the principles of freedom, rule of law, sovereignty and territorial integrity, peaceful settlement of disputes without resorting to threat or use of force and freedom of navigation and overflight, and oppose any unilateral attempt to change the status quo, all of which are essential to the peace, stability and prosperity of the Indo-Pacific region and beyond.

We reiterate our conviction that the Quad, acting as a force for regional and global good, will be guided by the priorities of the Indo-Pacific region through its positive and constructive agenda. Through the Quad, we seek to support the region through practical cooperation on contemporary challenges such as health security, climate change and the clean energy transition, critical and emerging technologies, infrastructure and connectivity, addressing the debt crisis through sustainable, transparent and fair lending and financing practices, space cooperation, cyber-security, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, maritime security and counterterrorism.

Reaffirming our consistent and unwavering support for ASEAN centrality and unity, and the ASEAN-led architecture, including the East Asia Summit and ASEAN Regional Forum, we remain committed to supporting implementation of the ASEAN Outlook on the Indo-Pacific (AOIP) and will be guided in our work by ASEAN’s principles and priorities. We welcome Indonesia’s 2023 ASEAN Chairmanship and will support its Chair theme “ASEAN Matters: Epicentrum of Growth,” as we identify tangible areas for the Quad to support the work of ASEAN. In addition, we are committed to further strengthening our respective relationships with ASEAN, thus creating a platform for greater Quad collaboration in support of the AOIP.

We are committed to supporting Pacific Island countries in line with the objectives of the Pacific Islands Forum’s 2050 Strategy for the Blue Pacific Continent, guided by Pacific priorities of climate change, resilient infrastructure, and maritime security. We support regional institutions in the Pacific and are also further strengthening our cooperation with the Indian Ocean Rim Association (IORA), to address the region’s most pressing and important challenges. We welcome India’s leadership in finalizing the IORA Outlook on the Indo-Pacific.

We are pleased to note the progress made under the Quad Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief Partnership (HADR) for the Indo-Pacific, since our last meeting in September 2022, when we signed onto the Guidelines for the Partnership. We welcome the outcomes of the first HADR tabletop exercise and biannual meeting held in India in December 2022. We look forward to the finalization of the Partnership’s Standard Operating Procedures which would enable an efficacious and coordinated response mechanism.

We concur that the rules-based international order is anchored in international law, including the UN Charter, and the principles of sovereignty, political independence, and territorial integrity of all states. We are committed to cooperate to address attempts to unilaterally subvert the UN and international system, in consultation with our partners and through multilateral and international platforms. We reiterate our unwavering support for the UN Charter, including its three pillars, and our steadfast commitment to strengthening the UN and international system through a comprehensive reform agenda, including through expansion in permanent and non-permanent seats of the UN Security Council. In this regard, we commit to active and constructive engagement in the Inter-Governmental Negotiations (IGN) process on Security Council Reforms with an overall objective of making the UN Security Council more effective, representative, and credible.

We will support meritorious and independent candidates for elections in the UN and in international forums to maintain the integrity and impartiality of the international system. We note with appreciation the UN Secretary General’s call for full implementation of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development and its Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). In this regard, we underscore the importance of achieving SDGs in a comprehensive manner without prioritizing a narrow set of such goals, and reaffirm that the UN has a central role in supporting countries in its implementation.

We recognize that peace and security in the maritime domain underpins the development and prosperity of the Indo-Pacific, and reiterate the importance of respect for sovereignty, consistent with international law. We reiterate the importance of adherence to international law, as reflected in the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), to meet challenges to the maritime rules-based order, including in the South and East China Seas. We strongly oppose any unilateral actions that seek to change the status quo or increase tensions in the area. We express serious concern at the militarization of disputed features, the dangerous use of coast guard vessels and maritime militia, and efforts to disrupt other countries’ offshore resource exploitation activities.

We are determined to deepen engagement with regional partners, including through information-sharing, capacity-building and technical assistance, to strengthen maritime domain awareness; to counter illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing; to enhance their capability to protect and develop offshore resources, consistent with UNCLOS; to ensure freedom of navigation and overflight; and to promote the safety and security of sea lines of communication. We look forward to continuing these discussions at the Quad Maritime Security Working Group meeting hosted by the United States in Washington, D.C., in March 2023. In this context, we welcome the progress made under the Indo-Pacific Partnership for Maritime Domain Awareness (IPMDA).

We unequivocally condemn terrorism and violent extremism in all its forms and manifestations. We denounce the use of terrorist proxies and emphasize the importance of denying any logistical, financial, or military support to terrorist organizations which could be used to launch or plan terrorist attacks, including transnational and cross-border attacks. We reiterate our condemnation of terrorist attacks, including 26/11 Mumbai, which claimed lives of citizens from all Quad countries, and Pathankot attacks. We are committed to working together with our regional and international partners to promote accountability for the perpetrators of such terrorist attacks, including through designations by the UN Security Council 1267 Sanctions Committee. In this regard, we express our concern at attempts to politicize the working of the UNSC Sanctions Regimes and call on all states to maintain the transparent, objective, and evidence based working methods of UNSC Sanctions Committees.

We note with deep concern that terrorism has become increasingly diffuse, aided by terrorists’ adaptation to, and the use of, emerging and evolving technologies such as unmanned aerial systems (UAS) and the internet, including social media platforms for recruitment and incitement to commit terrorist acts, as well as for the financing, planning, and preparation of terrorist activities. We welcome the focused discussions on these themes at the Quad Counter-Terrorism Policy Meeting and tabletop exercise hosted by Australia in October 2022. We are pleased to announce the establishment of the Quad Working Group on Counterterrorism, which will explore cooperation amongst the Quad, and with Indo-Pacific partners, to counter new and emerging forms of terrorism, radicalization to violence, and violent extremism. We look forward to its first meeting in the United States in 2023 to continue our discussions on this global issue.

We strongly emphasize the importance of maintaining peace, stability, and prosperity and express our deep concern at the deteriorating situation in Myanmar. In this regard, we emphasize the need for complete cessation of violence, the release of all those arbitrarily detained, resolution of issues through dialogue, unhindered humanitarian access, and transition to an inclusive, federal democratic system in Myanmar. Towards this, we reaffirm our consistent support to the ASEAN-led efforts, including the work of the ASEAN Chair and Office of the Special Envoy, and call for the full implementation of ASEAN’s Five-Point Consensus. We also encourage the international community to work together in a pragmatic and constructive way towards resolving the crisis in Myanmar.

We condemn North Korea’s destabilizing ballistic missile launches, including the launch of yet another Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) on February 18, 2023, in violation of UN Security Council resolutions (UNSCRs). We reaffirm our commitment to the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and urge North Korea to comply with its obligations under UNSCRs. We reconfirm the necessity of immediate resolution of the abductions issue. We stress the importance of addressing proliferation of nuclear and missile technologies related to North Korea in the region and beyond.

We continued to discuss our responses to the conflict in Ukraine and the immense human suffering it is causing, and concurred that the use or threat of use of nuclear weapons is inadmissible. We underscored the need for a comprehensive, just, and lasting peace in Ukraine in accordance with international law, including the UN Charter. We emphasized that the rules-based international order must respect sovereignty, territorial integrity, transparency, and peaceful resolution of disputes.

We welcome the announcement of the first class of Quad Fellows, who will begin their academic pursuits in the United States in August 2023.

We look forward to the next Quad Leaders’ Summit being hosted by Australia this year.

We will work closely to align and complement the Quad’s agenda with Japan’s Presidency of the G7, India’s Presidency of the G20, and the United States’ APEC host year in 2023.

We will continue to meet regularly to deliver concrete benefits and serve as a force for good, deepening practical and positive cooperation for the benefit of the Indo-Pacific region.

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Rakesh wrote:I thought this was some fan boy art, but see the picture below the first one. Anyone know when this occurred?

India's Chakra is in the middle, the Commonwealth Star of Australia is represented by the four large stars (@ 12, 3, 6 and 9) around the Chakra, the American stars are represented via the small stars that surround the Chakra and the rays of the rising sun represent Japan.
Must admit, it is a great-looking flag.
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^^^ Does this mean US will ratify the UNCLOS treaty ? Fat chance !
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Cyrano wrote:^^^ Does this mean US will ratify the UNCLOS treaty ? Fat chance !
First of all, the US non-ratification does not matter to India as we do not have maritime disputes with them. Even the passage of USS John Paul Jones off Lakshadweep in 2021 did not violate UNCLOS, even though the chest-beating by the USN of having conducted a FONOPS was unnecessary.

Secondly, this fact can be used by India whenever needed against the US.

This QUAD statement is good.
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NATO team holds talks with Indian officials in ‘closed door’ meet
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2023/ ... -meet.html
04 March 2023
US wants NATO to chart out its presence in Indo-Pacific to counter China, sources say.
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^^Rakesh what's NATO got to do(just to praraphrase Tina Turner)!
What do they want in Indo-Pacific
NATO and EU entry will make it a Kichadi no
Who will hold the ladle to stir the pot so to speaK??
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Could be another US/G7 pressure tactic on India like : "If you dont align with us in the IndoPacific, we will involve NATO here and make a mess in your front yard. You choose."
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Cyrano wrote:Could be another US/G7 pressure tactic on India like : "If you dont align with us in the IndoPacific, we will involve NATO here and make a mess in your front yard. You choose."
and by front yard you mean porkistan ? heh let them .. India has dealt with Paki centcom / paccom ityadi for quite a while., its a question of who needs whom. NATO is a purely euro centric military alliance and only US is the main arbiter in asia , rest are minnows sitting on an elephant
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Front yard = IOR
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NATO minus the US lacks the ability to operate out of area.

It they chose to operate outside the European region without wrapping up Ukraine. No one is going to take them seriously.

Add to that it's also going to bring in the aspects of European colonialism back to Africa and Asia.

It's going to be a double edged sword.
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It won't be just China who would be averse to NATO presence in the region. As an emerging pole and regional power, it may not be in India's interest to bring NATO into IOR. May be that is exactly what they are trying to say. It is either going to be QUAD in which you have a greater say or we will be forced to bring in NATO onlee.
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It is either going to be QUAD in which you have a greater say or we will be forced to bring in NATO onlee.
Yup. There is no NATO minus US. The proposition to India is either you go the whole hog with quad or we will involve the NATO jingbang and give you a headache in IOR.

They might be worried that India will try to cleave France out of this and involve them in IOR and indo Pacific as a counter weight. Bringing in NATO will ensure France can't pursue an independent policy and India cannot have a medium sized partner it can bring along. But Macron is a weak puppet so the chances are small.

That European NATO is mired in Ukraine and has no real teeth is irrelevant, the nuisance value is there.

Even EU is coming up with an indopacific policy, von der lying has mentioned this a few times in the past.

They will attempt to launch uber friendly mob attacks on India with incessant visits and meets in the near term to make our EAM breathless and saturated, leaving us no time to step back and assess. And hope to snare us into some accord or the other while we are dazed by all that adulation.
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Rakesh wrote:I thought this was some fan boy art, but see the picture below the first one. Anyone know when this occurred?

India's Chakra is in the middle, the Commonwealth Star of Australia is represented by the four large stars (@ 12, 3, 6 and 9) around the Chakra, the American stars are represented via the small stars that surround the Chakra and the rays of the rising sun represent Japan.

https://twitter.com/glowiepepe/status/1 ... 06658?s=20 --->
Looks suspiciously like NATO flag from afar. Replace all blue with bhagwa colour ASAP please.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 524716.cms
Looks like things are ??fast on AUKUS-POCUS!!
Aussies to announce the deal of Nuclear Subs
And the Britshits are in the thick of it with Building works as well per the TOIlet
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The Quad Squad: Power and Purpose of the Polygon | Raisina Dialogue 2023

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Getting India right
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter ... gzuBSfN05E
07 March 2023
Shared concern over China is one thing but Anthony Albanese must also overcome misapprehensions about India’s rise.
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Japan PM Kishida to travel to India from March 20 -21 .. wrt to .. G20 QUAD etc . He will be officially inviting PM Modi to attend the G7 summit in Hiroshima from May 19-21st.
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Rakesh wrote:The Quad Squad: Power and Purpose of the Polygon | Raisina Dialogue 2023
I watched this, clearly there were 2 camps, and one them was quite unsure where the other is leading them and if this whole thing made sense..

I'll let you place your guesses.
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