Assembly Elections - 2022 & 2023

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The moot point is bhajapa central leadership is busy in governance, while the opposition is busy in enticing and doing shashtang namaskar and pandering to its core voting segments.

Instead of doing positive things for its core base, it gives them bhashan and Gyan what is good of all aka sab ka saat hindo ka sarvannash kind of foolish behaviour. They are perpetually got their chaddis tied in log kya kahenge. While opposition time and time again does punitive action against its detractors.
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madhu wrote:Even before results are announced , based on exit pole results look at the confidence of minority

In belagavi, minority shouted Pakistan zindabad in doubt of cop. Cop got pissed off and went straight to crowd and asked can u repeat as he did not hear properly... And minority became silent.
They were shouting "Asif Sait Zindabad", need to be careful how some of these incidents are shared in Social Media, BJP gets the blame as is for communalizing politics, this is the same with Bhatkal flag incident where two edited videos are making rounds.
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I think we're reading the KA results wrong.

Need to look at two stats: The BJP vote share stood almost same, and most importantly, in the past 38 years, the incumbent government has been voted out every time.

So, core BJP voters are going to vote for BJP anyway. But there is a huge swing voter base and there is continued disillusionment of these swing voters. Karnataka is stuck in a loop of corrupt and casteist politics. For those who think the replacing Yeddyurappa was a mistake - I disagree. Replacing with Bommai was the mistake. He was too lightweight. NaMo can't govern Karnataka from Delhi. You need someone to implement poll promises.

Karnataka needs a personality on the lines of NaMo or Yogi or Himanta or even Annamalai - who is energetic (definitely not Bommai), has a clean image (definitely not Yeddyurappa), who is the undisputed boss of local politics (definitely not Bommai), and who can unite the caste divisions. The swamijis of competing mathas (I hate to use the word "mutt") have too much political power. I had much hopes of Tejasvi Surya but he doesn't seem to have the calibre.

Btw, this is why I think INC is also going to face issues - they have tensions between factions and DK Shivakumar doesn't have clean image either. I don't think whoever becomes the CM is going to last the term. Only thing is how much damage is going to be caused in the meantime.
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williams wrote:So percentage-wise, the traditional BJP voters voted for BJP but they were not very excited to do so. Also in the South, there is no traditional Hindu nationalistic ingredient the way it is envisioned in the North. My theory is partition did not make such an impact in the South. So trying to consolidate the Hindu vote is not a viable strategy. Also states like KA and TN are rich and Modi's microeconomic welfare sops are not making such a big impact. We need a better economic model that is bereft of good old corruption. That cannot happen if there is no state-level leadership like Yogi Ji in UP. BJP also needs to develop some sort of Hindu sub-nationalism in the south with issues transcending all the caste divisions.
The % is hiding a lot more than it reveals. Here is a region wise break down of voteshare . Big drop in lingayat/hindutva belt of KA . Slightly made up for gains in

Bengaluru - modi factor
South - demolition of JDS

https://twitter.com/DilliDurAst/status/ ... 2xmIEuAAAA
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I said so well before the results that the RSS led ticket distribution will be a disaster, they named candidates affiliated to their organization overriding BJP's local party workers. Now they blame the party's infighting as a reason for poor show!
The massive defeat of the BJP in Karnataka - especially in Kittur Karnataka and the relatively poor performance in the coastal region where its ideological mentor RSS has a strong presence - raises concerns for the Sangh, which sees infighting as the primary reasons for the poor performance.

Karnataka has the second highest number of office bearers in the RSS hierarchy after Maharashtra, and according to sources, its joint general secretary CR Mukund, who hails from the state was involved in various coordination meetings between the Sangh and the BJP for the state.

Karnataka is also the state where BJP's tech savvy hands-on general secretary(organization) BL Santhosh hails. He has major influence on the party affairs in the state.

Sources within the Sangh said the feedback which they were getting was that the BJP would make it near the triple-digit mark, but this result came in as a shock.

A senior Sangh functionary said there was a lack of coordination between the Sangh-backed BJP leaders and the old guard of the party in the state.

Many of the candidates hailing from a Sangh background, who were given an opportunity, did not enjoy the support from local BJP units, especially in the Kittur Karnataka (Bombay Karnataka) region.

It is the same region where the BJP witnessed rebellion from its former chief minister Jagadish Shettar, after the party denied him a ticket.

A section of BJP leaders also wanted to drop several sitting MLAs including some ministers, but they were able to retain their candidature because of the Sangh, a state BJP leader said. Several candidates suggested by the Sangh were politically light weight, they said.

Meanwhile, the RSS state unit has been holding a meeting and preparing a report on the state assembly polls and on the coordination between the Sangh and the BJP in the state.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 216433.cms
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ritesh wrote:The moot point is bhajapa central leadership is busy in governance, while the opposition is busy in enticing and doing shashtang namaskar and pandering to its core voting segments.

Instead of doing positive things for its core base, it gives them bhashan and Gyan what is good of all aka sab ka saat hindo ka sarvannash kind of foolish behaviour. They are perpetually got their chaddis tied in log kya kahenge. While opposition time and time again does punitive action against its detractors.
but thats the question, is it not? lets say that the bjp goes full metal-to-the-pedal on the hindu issues in state elections and implements it spending a lot of political capital, 2 weeks before the next election, the opponent comes and says ill give free wifi to this particular community upto 500gb, free solar light to that community for 200 days, which way will the community(s) vote? in the north, people have been mobilised for a long time and societal learning also develops the person's outlook to be a particular way, yet give them the lollipop of free electricity and the citizen would be eager to pawn their souls for such parties, in the ambiguous societal outlook of the south, why promise things that have no bearing on the citizenry?

the only response i have heard is that in the south there is no mobilisation, the very common refrain, "this is not up-bihar, people here vote intelligently" as also articulated by dks on some show, clearly the voters identify as their community first, state culture second, membership of the revadi association third, anti brahmin association fourth (very strong anti wave in the south, thats what i got from the coverage)... hindu, maybe after, who knows? it has worked splendidly with kasmiri pandits and is currently working well for the bengalis, who will be the last one standing with the secularism bag of the five? or will the local identity peacefully subsume the religiosity of the population (as they have emphatically attested, they are different after all), only the public can tell
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There is only two explanation. All minority and JDS votes were tactfully transferred to Congress. This is clearly seen in many places. Modi save bangalore. The second main reason is freebies. Thats why BJP won all educated seats like bangalore, mangalore and hubli. Congress took all rural votes. Gaali Janardhan reddy cause problems in nearly 10 seats. All in all, hopefully they just get their acts together and declare a leader right now. The best bet is Yedyurappa son.
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khujli impact on national poitics is huge he mainstreamed idea of muft khori; free bijli, pani, doles will get you votes
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yedurappa blowback? 37/46 Lingayat seats went to con https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vid ... s?from=mdr
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williams wrote:So percentage-wise, the traditional BJP voters voted for BJP but they were not very excited to do so. Also in the South, there is no traditional Hindu nationalistic ingredient the way it is envisioned in the North. My theory is partition did not make such an impact in the South.
Even Islamic invasions (which came from NorthWest) had much less impact in South.
For some reason, South activists can campaign against Hindi, but couldn't care less about Urdu.
So trying to consolidate the Hindu vote is not a viable strategy. Also states like KA and TN are rich and Modi's microeconomic welfare sops are not making such a big impact. We need a better economic model that is bereft of good old corruption.
BJP's past inroads like rural electrification, toilets, etc, seem to have run their course. South was never quite as backward as bimaru north.
That cannot happen if there is no state-level leadership like Yogi Ji in UP. BJP also needs to develop some sort of Hindu sub-nationalism in the south with issues transcending all the caste divisions.
South has more filmstar-turned-politician affection. Need to find the right filmstar. What the hell happened to Rajnikanth in TN?
Need to find the right Kannadiga filmstar for Karnataka, who can carry the regional torch. BJP and RSS haven't invested their efforts in cultivating the right people.
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ricky_v wrote:
ritesh wrote:The moot point is bhajapa central leadership is busy in governance, while the opposition is busy in enticing and doing shashtang namaskar and pandering to its core voting segments.

Instead of doing positive things for its core base, it gives them bhashan and Gyan what is good of all aka sab ka saat hindo ka sarvannash kind of foolish behaviour. They are perpetually got their chaddis tied in log kya kahenge. While opposition time and time again does punitive action against its detractors.
but thats the question, is it not? lets say that the bjp goes full metal-to-the-pedal on the hindu issues in state elections and implements it spending a lot of political capital, 2 weeks before the next election, the opponent comes and says ill give free wifi to this particular community upto 500gb, free solar light to that community for 200 days, which way will the community(s) vote? in the north, people have been mobilised for a long time and societal learning also develops the person's outlook to be a particular way, yet give them the lollipop of free electricity and the citizen would be eager to pawn their souls for such parties, in the ambiguous societal outlook of the south, why promise things that have no bearing on the citizenry?

the only response i have heard is that in the south there is no mobilisation, the very common refrain, "this is not up-bihar, people here vote intelligently" as also articulated by dks on some show, clearly the voters identify as their community first, state culture second, membership of the revadi association third, anti brahmin association fourth (very strong anti wave in the south, thats what i got from the coverage)... hindu, maybe after, who knows? it has worked splendidly with kasmiri pandits and is currently working well for the bengalis, who will be the last one standing with the secularism bag of the five? or will the local identity peacefully subsume the religiosity of the population (as they have emphatically attested, they are different after all), only the public can tell
No man, a simple condition of no more than 1 wife and two kids will disqualify anyone and everyone one from all the benefits. You don't need to invoke alphabets like caa ucc etc for it. I am appalled at how well these people have been able to successfully get disproportionate share in all the welfare schemes be it mudra yojana free foodgrains through ration etc. You need tailor-made schemes for your core segments. But no, we will give gyaan etc. and show thenga to loyal voters.
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sanman wrote:What the hell happened to Rajnikanth in TN?
Rajnikanth would be the most spineless person ever in the media lime light. He is just fit for his movie theatretics. He actually does not have any guts to challenge any one in authority. TN politicians have clearly made him scared of raids and other games which will 'expose' him. He also is a dilly dallying person, with no personal charisma (other than what gimmicks he does on screen). He may be now worthy crores, but in his mind he is still the old BMTC bus conductor Shivaji Rao.
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Why traditional BJP supporters Lingayats voted for Congress.

In a major shift, after decades to support, traditional BJP vote bank Lingayats switched sides from BJP to Congress in Karnataka assembly elections. This tectonic shift was one of the major factors which led to a landslide victory of Congress party.

Congress won 37 seats out of 46 Lingayat candidates fielded in Karnataka, in comparison to 13 in 2018 polls. This is its second highest tally of Lingayat MLAs since 1989 when the party had recorded a landslide victory under the community’s stalwart Veerendra Patil. That year, Congress won 178 seats, with Lingayats bagging 44.

In contrast, only 15 Lingayats from BJP secured victory, though it fielded 69 candidates from the community.

“There was a perception that Lingayats were averse to Congress, but that has been proven wrong in these elections.

Lingayats from across regions have wholeheartedly supported us,” said MB Patil, a Lingayat and chairman of Congress campaign committee told ToI.

Politically-dominant Lingayat are the state's single-largest community and comprise nearly 17 per cent of the total 5. 3 crore electorate in the state, while Vokkaligas, the other politically prominent community, account for about 12 per cent.

In terms of seat share in the Karnataka Assembly, Lingayats dominate about 90 of the 224 assembly segments in the state and Congress has won many of these seats.

Among the many reasons why the community switched sides, the side stepping of Lingayat strongman Yediyurappa was the prime factor. Yediyurappa was forced to step down in July 2021 during his fourth term, following a string of corruption allegations against him. The 77-year-old was the tallest leader of the community, who helped BJP to gain power in the only India Southern state.

Politically-dominant Lingayat are the state's single-largest community and comprise nearly 17 per cent of the total 5. 3 crore electorate in the
state, while Vokkaligas, the other politically prominent community, account for about 12 per cent.

The installation of Basavaraj Bommai -- a supporter of Yediyurappa -- did not go well with the community. A group of 500 powerful Lingayat sadhus had protested at that time and had even warned that the damage will be "irreparable". Later, a Lingayat seer alleged that even mutts were paying a 30 per cent commission to the government.

To make the matter worse, refusal of ticket to other tall BJP Lingayat leaders like Jagdish Shettar, a former Chief Minister of the state and Savadi, a former Deputy Chief Minister, also hurt the party badly. It was enough to alienate the politically crucial community, which has given the state nine Chief Ministers.

However, the party tried hard to restore the eroding support by providing a last-minute extra reservation in jobs and education, but that damage was already done by that time.

In March, the ruling BJP scrapped the four per cent Other Backward Classes reservation for Muslims and parcelled it out between the Lingayats, Vokkaligas and Scheduled Castes and Tribes. The Lingayats had got the biggest chunk – 7 per cent – in an effort to draw the community's support, but that didn't helped the party to gain back the support.
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BJP should forget the pasmanda outreach yada yada
Muslim won’t vote for BJP period
In Kar: they need 4 youngish leaders: one each of Lingayat, Vokkaliga, Kuruba and SC/ST
Don’t know if Yeedy’s son can be groomed
There is a strong Lingayat presence in bordering districts of Karnataka both in MH and Telangana
Andhra Telangana you need a Reddy Kamma leader
Along with Annamalai they need a Vanniyar leader
Down south toilet and LPG just won’t cut muster
Unfortunately caste is a dominant feature and unless you play accordingly you’re not going to get anywhere
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sanjayc wrote:Mental blindness / stupidity of Hindus in political matters has been commented upon by many, including James Tod in "Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan," who said: "Such is the character of the Hindu: a mixture of arrogance, political blindness, pride, and generosity. To spare a prostrate foe is the creed of the Hindu cavalier, and he carries all such maxims to excess."
I don't care what someone else has commented upon. It's perfectly fine to discuss the complexity/problems/difficulties of the hindu vote. However, blanketing hindus as "stupid" while others are presumably intelligent, is not acceptable and is simple hate speech no matter who it is coming from. All this does is perpetuate a stereotype and is absolutely counterproductive. Perhaps you should recognize the stupidity of that approach and change it, rather than labeling hindus as stupid.

Every time there is a state election loss, a group of posters repeat the same old and tired gripes again. You guys are living in la-la land, to assume that Hindus are not aware of the threats from desert religions. All you do is to repeat the same frustrations that things are not going exactly to your desire. All that is fine if you want to delude yourselves. However, of late this is veering further into gaslighting/hate speech territory. Don't assume that every Hindu reading this will automatically agree with your self-flagellation. This is not acceptable and I hope the moderators will act.

Your only solution at the end of the day is to somehow goad Hindus into acting the same as these other communities, i.e. consolidating votes behind BJP. That is happening in many elections when the voters not just see a threat, but also a viable alternate that will neutralize the threat. But it will not happen blindly. The consequence of just voting blindly as a bloc for BJP for "dharma" reasons will be a worse "cure" than the current threats, especially if the BJP fails to deliver after such a huge mandate. The other communities may be blindly bloc voting, but just look at the quality of these communities and what they have become, when they vote only for religion.

You guys do not realize (or just plain unwilling to admit) that Modi is dominating the national elections almost purely on development and welfare, not on Hindutva. There is still a ways to go before voters (especially the poor and rural) will be ready to use their vote for "dharma" in the midst of other economic/social/governance/local issues and preferences. This is a long-term game, not something that happens overnight according to your desires.

Thank the gods Modi and Shah have a clear vision for Bharat, and won't entertain clowns proposing these kind of poorly thought out approaches proposed by apparently "intelligent" people. As far as states go, there are viable consolidators who have already emerged (like Adityanath and Viswasarma). More are being groomed (like Annamalai, Farnavis, Surya etc). More must come. If this was the argument, I would whole-heartedly support it. However, this "hindus stupid, don't unite, etc" BS has gone on long enough and happens like clockwork from the same posters every time.
Right. The same was said in 1940s, when Hindus refused to rally behind Savarkar and Hindu Mahasabha in the name of religion, and instead went for Gandhi and Nehru and their flattery and concessions for Muslims. That stupidity led Hindus to permanently lose 1/3rd of India's land to Muslims (and carting away of 1,000 Hindu women every year to mosques in Pakistan even today for forcible marriage to Muslims).
This is just nonsense and irrelevant to this thread. Hindus of India at the time were barely able to find 2 meals a day. They were in no position to change the scenario created by the British and their few but powerful stooges. To blame hindus (as a 350 million community at the time) as "stupid" is absolutely hate speech. Everybody knows about what is going on, but the approach of berating hindus for not being "stronger" and suggesting the same old unworkable "solutions" is really getting old and counterproductive.
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Vips wrote:Why traditional BJP supporters Lingayats voted for Congress.

In a major shift, after decades to support, traditional BJP vote bank Lingayats switched sides from BJP to Congress in Karnataka assembly elections. This tectonic shift was one of the major factors which led to a landslide victory of Congress party.


Among the many reasons why the community switched sides, the side stepping of Lingayat strongman Yediyurappa was the prime factor. Yediyurappa was forced to step down in July 2021 during his fourth term, following a string of corruption allegations against him. The 77-year-old was the tallest leader of the community, who helped BJP to gain power in the only India Southern state.

Politically-dominant Lingayat are the state's single-largest community and comprise nearly 17 per cent of the total 5. 3 crore electorate in the
state, while Vokkaligas, the other politically prominent community, account for about 12 per cent.

The installation of Basavaraj Bommai -- a supporter of Yediyurappa -- did not go well with the community. A group of 500 powerful Lingayat sadhus had protested at that time and had even warned that the damage will be "irreparable". Later, a Lingayat seer alleged that even mutts were paying a 30 per cent commission to the government.

To make the matter worse, refusal of ticket to other tall BJP Lingayat leaders like Jagdish Shettar, a former Chief Minister of the state and Savadi, a former Deputy Chief Minister, also hurt the party badly. It was enough to alienate the politically crucial community, which has given the state nine Chief Ministers.
And who were the brains behind Yediyurappa, Eshwarappa, Savadi, Jagdish Shettar etc ouster ? Prahlad Joshi, BL Santhosh and RSS. Only those who do not understand politics missed seeing the significance of forcing R Ashok to contest against DK Shivakumar on the later's turf or V Somanna, another tall lingayat leader to take on Siddaramiah . Anyone with 2 gray cells could see the outcome that R Ashok and V Somanna had no chance in hell of defeating DKS or Siddu, so why were they forced to contest from those seats ? Because someone making the decisions wanted every single powerful leader of BJP Karnataka either get electorally wiped out or were forced to leave the party because they did not get the ticket. The result is for all to see. If heads don't roll after this debacle, then i'm sorry, i have little hope of party's resurrection in the state which took Yeddiyurappa his entire life time to build from nothing. Also, people need to give it a rest thinking Tejaswi Surya is another Yogi Adityanath or Hemanta, the guy will struggle to hold his Bangalore South seat next time let alone amount to anything big. He is naïve, lacks political acumen, inexperienced but unfortunately has a habit to act and say things out of impulse.
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I don't know what got into BJP.
* They messed K'taka by intruding too much into state.
* They don't listen to any feedback on GST or Petrol/Gas prices. The GST and taxes are increasing but they never give a break to middle class.
* They cut off things like Senior citizen discount on rail fares even though they amount to very little

Now this
LokSabha passes additional amendments to Finance bill : Credit cards under LRS now.

Any payment made with credit card to foreign vendors (such as for hotel and airline bookings, gaming, subscriptions to software/magazines/memberships etc.), will be subjected to TCS at 20% irrespective of the amount paid.

In every such case, individuals will need to claim a credit for such TCS in their tax returns.

Source: Financial express.
https://twitter.com/somnath1978/status/ ... 5828003840
Somnath Mukherjee @somnath1978

1 cohort in India:

1. Pays most taxes
2. Doesnt hit the streets
3. Mostly identity-agnostic - embraces APJ, MMS and Modi equally effervescently
4. Is the fount of nearly everythg good abt India

Yet, its socially ok to abuse this cohort as "brahminical, fascist, hindutva" types
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So now many BJP supporters are abusing South Indians on Twitter just because BJP lost...most of them along lines of lack of Hindu unity (or fake Hindus) etc. Many voted for BJP this time not because we were happy & wanted to do it but were forced to...

Anyways, gives a glimpse of how INC prepped
Sunil Kanugolu, The Data-Driven Strategist Behind Congress's Karnataka Win
New Delhi: If the battle of narratives forms the bedrock of politics, the precision to which political parties go to select candidates, study polling behaviour, and craft a campaign is equally important for an electoral victory.
If the Congress, which won the assembly polls in Karnataka with a historic 136 seats on Saturday, had all this working for the party this time, it was because of the prominent role played by Sunil Kanugolu, a 41-year-old low-profile strategist and Congress member who crafted the campaign and did not let the party lose sight of it until the end.

Known to be a "man of ideas, with a handle on the big picture", Mr Kanugolu, originally a Telugu who has roots in Karnataka and now lives in Bengaluru, grew up in Chennai and hails from a business family. After having worked for the BJP, DMK, and AIADMK in the past, Mr Kanugolu joined the Congress last year after having long conversations with Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi, mainly because he wanted to take up a challenge and work with a party that was close to the values he believes in, said a close friend of his.

According to those who know him well, Mr Kanugolu's biggest strength is his ability to form personal relationships with the prominent leaders of the party and integrate his team's campaign into their everyday work.

"He has a personality that is calm but firm. He is low-profile, attention-hating, and because he always comes armed with data from field surveys, he cannot be bulldozed, and politicians find a lot of value in him in their everyday political work," said a Congress insider.

In Karnataka, Mr Kanugolu worked hard to build a strong working relationship with the other prominent leaders running the campaign, mainly the party's general secretary, Randeep Surjewala, Siddaramaiah, and DK Shivakumar, apart from KC Venugopal, who is seen to have helped him navigate the space. This was not an exception, as in almost every non-BJP campaign he has worked on, he has shared a personal connection with the leader, be it DMK supremo MK Stalin or AIADMK head E Palaniswamy in the past. In Telangana too, where he is working on mounting an aggressive political attack against Chief Minister K Chandrasekhar Rao or KCR's government, he is known to share a personal bond with leaders such as Revanth Reddy.

"This makes it easy for his team to integrate into the system and work with politicians, making the campaign more human-centric. In some other cases of pollsters, we have seen party leaders getting upset with strategists and their team members, but with Sunil, that doesn't happen," another party functionary said.

Getting the narrative right and in the party's favour is Mr Kanugolu's biggest strength, and with a background in market research, his team relies on a lot of field surveys, modern-day analytics, and getting an accurate sense of what is happening on the ground.

In Karnataka, Mr Kanugolu came up with the "PayCM" campaign against the Basavaraj Bommai-led BJP government at a time when his detractors were quick to point out that "corruption was not a big issue in South India".

"But what the campaign did was give our party a lot of ammunition to attack the government and connect with people. It gave us the upper hand over the BJP, which kept treating it like a gimmick," the person who worked on the Congress campaign said.

Mr Kanugolu started his preparations a year ago, just a month after joining the Congress. He had also recused himself from working on the Congress campaign in Gujarat, as the time was short. In Himachal Pradesh, his team worked on field surveys to decide the candidates.

"Sunil has a good handle on the big picture, and he doesn't forget the details. He delegates and trusts his team when it comes to detailing. He loves working on everyday snapshots of political campaigning. But the narrative setting is an everyday task for him; he is relentless. He strongly believes that in politics, if you don't put your narrative out, someone else will. So, one has to keep at it," said the above-quoted person.

When it comes to narratives, Mr Kanugolu has his strengths. It was he who brought together aspects such as Tamil pride and the Dravidian model during the Jallikattu protests of 2017, helping the DMK counter an aggressive BJP.

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The campaign designed by Mr Kanugolu that started with "PayCM" continued with "Kivi Mele Hoova" (flower over the ear), suggesting how people had been short-changed. The five guarantees of the Congress that Mr Kanugolu's team fine-tuned and insisted on making them easy to remember were accompanied by a hard copy of the guarantee card in every household, apart from the most important task of candidate selection. This is the first time the Congress relied on extensive field surveys and not just the personal preferences of local leaders. Known for his insistence on scientific analysis of polling data, Mr Kanugolu, according to those who have worked with him, insists on extensive field surveys, statistics, analytics, and capturing trends using modern techniques, instead of relying solely on call-centre-driven data gathering.

Another person who worked on the party's campaign pointed out that even when the Congress was a little apprehensive about Prime Minister Narendra Modi's rallies making it difficult for the Congress in Karnataka, Mr Kanugolu insisted on focusing on the specifics.

"He doesn't accept it if you just say 'Hawa badal raha hai'; he will work towards knowing if the impact is good enough to change voting patterns and then work towards that," he said.

Mr Kanugolu is expected to play a crucial role in the upcoming elections and also in the 2024 Lok Sabha elections, but his immediate tasks will be to handle the party's campaign in the states of Telangana, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Chhattisgarh.

Background
Mr Kanugolu has been part of many election campaigns in the past, particularly of the BJP. Incidentally, the election campaign in Karnataka in 2018 saw him working on the BJP side, and the party managed to become the single largest party with 104 seats. Mr Kanugolu has worked with the global management consulting firm McKinsey before starting work with political parties. He led the Association of Billion Minds (ABM), which advised the BJP on various poll-related work, before quitting it four years ago to start on his own. Known to be deeply influenced by Periyar, caste movements in the country, everyday caste discrimination, and the use of social organizations to counter them are some of his key interests, apart from Tamil cinema.

Apart from being part of Narendra Modi's campaign in 2014, Mr Kanugolu was part of many BJP campaigns, particularly in Uttar Pradesh and Gujarat in 2017. He was also associated with MK Stalin and oversaw its 'Namakku Naame' (We are for Ourselves) campaign during the 2019 Lok Sabha elections, when the party won 38 of the total 39 seats. Later, Mr Kanugolu also worked with AIADMK against the DMK and led the party to win 75 seats in the 2021 Tamil Nadu Assembly elections.
It seems like INC really did its homework this time...not sure if BJP did or started too late. So why did BJP lose this person from their team?
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BJP vote share remained the same despite losing a big chunk in Lingayat and Vokkaliga communities. BJP gained (new voters) as much as it lost to even out. BJP should work on fixing the loss and bring them aboard again. A 4-5% gain in vote share can make all the difference.
Need to see how the newly infused candidates did, to really evaluate the decision. How many won or did pretty darn good? The decision was due to bring in new blood and the energy. Maybe payoff in the coming years long run.
Also how reliable is the % of Lingayat and Vokkaliga communities? The last census was 2011. Need a new more accurate census soon.
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^^Basically, KA voters (especially Hindus) made reasoned choices. Some other communities voted blindly. Of course now some people will start claiming that the other communities are the "intelligent" ones, because they vote with a single-minded objective to defeat the BJP. You know, like a herd of sheep "intelligently" following a single road even if it leads to the jannat-khana.

I am not in India at present, but I tried to watch as many videos as possible in which media/psephologists went out to different parts of KA to ask voters what they thought. It was quite easy to tell the core voters from the swing voters. From the hindu swing voters, the sentiment quite clearly apparent was:

- nationally I am with Modi
- in my district my vote depends on the local candidates and the incumbent MLA, or some other local factor
- at state level I want XYZ to become CM (comment on the overall mood in the state)

There were even some guys who said they will re-elect BJP MLA for their district but wished for Siddaramaiah as CM.

Plus, last minute freebies announced by INC might also have swayed some poor/rural voters. One cannot really blame them.

In KA there was basically no "stand-out" work done by state government in the last few years. Some things progressed, mostly due to Modi sarkar. With this level of performance, why on earth would any sensible population consolidate behind BJP this time?

BTW the BJP rebel Shettar lost on an INC ticket in Hubli-Dharwad (a strong Hindu area), so clearly the KA voters agreed with BJP's assessment that he needed to take a break. There has been a good start in weeding out deadwood. It will take time.

If KA BJP makes an objective of ensuring the 65 elected MLAs do real work, and plays a constructive development role in the other constituences with the help of Modi sarkar schemes, then in 2028 there will be a real shot at a more consolidated hindu vote. Raising social/religious issues can also have traction mostly with core voters, but combining that with real work is the winner.

I fully expect INC to make a disaster of the next few years, so if the BJP gets its game together instead of just relying on Modi and anti-incumbency then it will be a win in 2028. People who think the voters are to blame do not understand (or they want to bypass) basics of democratic process in order to ward off the "green" threat. It doesn't work that way.
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*Looking at the balance of probabilities and facts, it's a good thing that BJP did not win in Karnataka.*

Facts:
BJP image is that of a single group, Lingayat party

BJP had an image of corruption, arrogance, etc.etc

This BJP government is a compromise with the 15 defectors, led by Jakhroli, who got ministries to bring about BSY government. These ministers were quite corrupt.
Then Bommai came to bring a transition from BSY. The corruption increased. Pandemic time it grew wirse.

As elections came, BSY, Jakhroli, and BL Santosh trio were in charge of the campaign and put candidates.

Now, only 65 BJP MLAs won. Some are in the most difficult areas. All those with corruption taint got defeated. 44/46 Lingayats got elected in Congress. BJP is not the Lingayat party anymore.
Corrupt members defeated.
The 65 MLAs are solid BJP.
It's like shedding old clothes or rising like Phoenix.
It's important to do this a year before 2024.

*As for Congress, their issues start now.*
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It’s the same every election cycle:

1. Peacefuls vote 100% against BJP
2. Hindus are divided everywhere
3. Demographic is against BJP and Dharmics. In another decade it will be impossible to win for BJP
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Zynda wrote:So now many BJP supporters are abusing South Indians on Twitter just because BJP lost...most of them along lines of lack of Hindu unity (or fake Hindus) etc. Many voted for BJP this time not because we were happy & wanted to do it but were forced to...

Anyways, gives a glimpse of how INC prepped
Sunil Kanugolu, The Data-Driven Strategist Behind Congress's Karnataka Win
...
It seems like INC really did its homework this time...not sure if BJP did or started too late. So why did BJP lose this person from their team?
Ohh, Congress "really did its homework" -- after 80 years, huh? :roll:
These are all just narratives being concocted after the fact, which you are eagerly gobbling up.
Whatever Kanugolu and Davutoglu and Mogli are doing, the test will come in their governance. Talk is cheap, promises are cheap.

Congress had for long done its homework in Punjab, but that didn't prevent India's Jian Qing and human wrecking-ball Sonia Gandhi from overturning that homework on her petty whims.

Let's see who gets picked for Karnataka CM, and how well they coexist with the party central leadership.
Let's see what actual governance they provide -- otherwise those who voted for them have thrown away their votes.
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vimal wrote:It’s the same every election cycle:

1. Peacefuls vote 100% against BJP
2. Hindus are divided everywhere
3. Demographic is against BJP and Dharmics. In another decade it will be impossible to win for BJP
Long-term prognosis is very bad for BJP and Hindus, regardless of some moralizing dudes claiming that Hindus defeating BJP in KA is some kind of intelligent master stroke. Congress will again start filling its coffers now. Goose of Hindus is cooked unless they start voting for BJP blindly for survival, regardless of "local issues" and short-sighted caste loyalty. Hindus live for their caste but are killed for their religion.

The population of peacefulls will double again in 30 years, crowding out Hindus from public spaces. That is when they will start getting benefits of rejecting Savarkar in favor or Gandhi and Nehru. In 10 years, however, Sonia Gandhi will kick the bucket and Congress will disappear. There won't be any other national party except BJP.

BIF may try to turn AAP into national party. That is why BJP needs to nip Khujli in the bud by abolishing Delhi assembly and turning it into a full UT again.
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Imo, our people vote on how bad the party is, rather than good of party. There was nothing against, nor questions on local Congress and their 2 big state leaders, and thus the environment favored them. Whereas, lots of questions, negativity about state BJP. It's the fault of local BJP for doing nothing or "purva parkha" about them That's a reason why caste politics works, as they think the other castes would not work for them. Fear, pessimism, negativity reactions are the defaults of India.

Modi is the 1st big politician Indian to raise questions from the dharmic lense. The ability to "purva parkha" both internally and externally to the world, has won him large support and created chaos for his opponents. Their has to be constant pressure, and questions about the opposition. Humour, bravery (dabangg) are some tools that can be used to target the opposition. Like farm laws, UCC does not create enough confidence, or beat that negativity among the confused public of 50%. It sure will boost the core voters which is 25%, whereas 25% are a lost cause. Whereas, one time wonder-actions like DeMo, surgical strikes do generate enough goodwill to beat negativity, but it can't happen every time of elections.
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I've looked at the numbers in some detail. There are structural problems with the BJP which are evident in the last 3 state elections
(Guj, HP and Karnataka). It has little to do with Hindu vote consolidation.

In every single State election since 2014, the BJP's vote share is less than the previous LS election for that state.
State issues obviously matter more in state elections and BJP has not been able to provide the governance where enough voters can say they
are best placed to run the state.

In Himachal, BJP got 69% of the vote in LS 2019 and 43% in 2022. Why was there a drop of an unprecedented 26% (and 5% below State elections of
2017) ? This is a state where religion and caste are not major factors. All govt had to do was implement reasonably well its central schemes, which
is easier in a small state and should have resulted in maintaining the same vote share as 2017 (enough to win in '22).

In Gujarat, virtually the entire cabinet was replaced before the state election. They were presumably replaced because they did not perform.
The question is why weren't able to perform in a state where BJP controls the bureaucracy, media etc. Cong lost 12% of vote share to AAP.
If AAP was not contesting, it may have been much closer. BJP was also 10% lower in vote shared compared to LS 2019.

What the data tells us:

- 20% of those who will vote for Modiji at the national level will not vote for BJP at the state level, because they have better alternatives.
- There is NO state where BJP is confident of crossing 50% vote share in a state election. Each state is increasingly becoming a 2 party fight
and in a 2 party fight, BJP does not have enough vote share to be confident of winning ANY major state.

Some factors to consider:
- BJP gives as many tickets to dynasts as Cong.
- BJP gives as many tickets to those with criminal records, or defectors, as the other major parties. (I track this)
- In Karnataka, while a lot of sitting MLA's were dropped, none have been seriously investigated for corruption, in cases well publicized by the
media. Demo gave us data of about 1.6 lac people who accounted for a third of ALL the cash deposited. Most did not have corresponding tax
returns, Were ANY prosecuted ? (website of action takne under demo was not updated after 2017).
- Where Govts alternate, (Raj or HP) I have not seen any data to prove economic growth in the state is better under BJP.

So, on the planks of anti-dynasty, fighting corruption and clean politics, BJP is not different. Its also difficult to prove voters are economically
better off.

In the upcoming elections in Raj and Chattisgarh, Cong has infighting. Who are the state BJP leaders who are being projected as the alternative to
Cong ? In MP, if BJP gets the same vote share as 2018 (unlikely when the CM faces 4th term anti-incumbency) they will lose. After 20 years of
Hindutva in MP and a reasonably well regarded CM, the majority of Hindus do not vote BJP.

To put it simplistically, in States with a Cong vs BJP fight:
85% of voters are Hindu (after considering higher % of Muslims voting)
35 of the 85 (40% of Hindus) will always vote BJP.
20 of the 85 will always vote Cong.

Not more than 15 of the undecided 30 vote BJP in state elections. In Karnataka it was close to 0.

I think this is a cause for serious introspection.
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Let me also clarify that I am as pro BJP as most of this forum (though I am Christian). I am saddened by its performance in Karnataka. But we need to look beyond knee jerk explanations and study the data.

In my constituency in Bangalore I would estimate that max 30% of those who voted were Muslim. The Cong candidate (Muslim who replaced the sitting Muslim MLA who was sacked by Cong for corruption) got 60% of the vote. The BJP candidate was an outsider (10th fail, rural background, when a large no of voters are affluent, well educated urbanites). Neither the BLP MP, not the Municipal councillor have been seen in our area in 5 years, whereas the Cong guy has done some work in the short time he's been associated with the area.
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^^^Deansji
100%
What BJP needs for these state elections to target that undecided 30% and get more than 50% of them aboard
is there any data for subset analysis of this 30% population : meaning socio-economic status/caste ityadi
A behemoth like BJP should have enough number crunchers to analyse this
Today's elections should be more media savvy and gone are the days of just few roads shows and helicopter drops-ins like IndiraG times
Some catchy tunes/catchy phrases like PayCM(know its cliches but catchy)
BJP should not be reactive and counter congi
I have a strong feeling that external agencies of soros type were quite active in Congi Kar campaign not just the gent from TN
The MLA should be around the constituency at least for 2yrs prior to the elections and start ground work
Just an example of how Smriti Iraniji defeated the Yuvraj who thought I just pitchup weeks before the election and imagined Yehanse Vote dalo aur uder se dilli ke ticket nikhalo!!
That wont happen
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Plus can I just ask that in Kar there was no SP/BSP/AIMIM(as a big factor)/PAPPI
How much these parties help in breaking not only Hindu votes but also Muslim votes
What happens if there is a United Opposition Front for 2024??
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Mean while the fun has begun.
Karnataka Politics Live: Party high command to take call on new CM, says DKS
Siddaramaiah to hold talks with Congress high command in Delhi as Karnataka CM race heats up
Party observers will take Karnataka MLAs' opinion, high command will decide on CM: Kharge

There have been many veiled threats made by DKS about the 'sacrifices' he have made for Congress and Siddaramiah, and that he expects some thing in return as well. Siddaramiah is also a smart cookie and have managed to get what ever he wants by pressurising Sonia, Pappu Ghandi duo. An option may be to make one CM and the other Dy.CM or have a kind of time sharing formula. But it would not be a smooth sail.

Now read this news - KA DGP Praveen Sood is moving in as CBI director. He has a tenure of two years, and he is not in the good books of DKS. So there would be more CBI raids on DKS, which will keep him busy. If Siddaramiah is the CM, it would only make him happy as he also will get a breathing space. The BJP if it plays its game smartly, it can get the Vokkaliggas disgruntled against the Congress govt under Siddaramiah.
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Rsatchi wrote:Plus can I just ask that in Kar there was no SP/BSP/AIMIM(as a big factor)/PAPPI
How much these parties help in breaking not only Hindu votes but also Muslim votes
What happens if there is a United Opposition Front for 2024??
In almost all assembly elections since 2017, the 3rd placed party is getting fewer votes. It is becoming a 2 party fight. In such a scenario, it's a lot
more difficult for BJP. An exception to this is AAP in Gujarat and Goa - which cut into Cong votes, to give the state to BJP.

For 2024. BJP needs allies, such as:
- AIADMK led front in TN
- Either Jagan or Chandrababu in Andhra
- Akali Dal.

As things stand, there are 125 seats (40 in Andhra, 40 TN + Pondi, 20 Kerala, 13 Punjab, 17 seats with Muslim majority, in other states ), where BJP
on its own will get 0. Its difficult to get 273+ from the remaining 412 seats.
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Sachin wrote:Mean while the fun has begun.
Karnataka Politics Live: Party high command to take call on new CM, says DKS
https://www.deccanherald.com/election/k ... heats%20up
Party observers will take Karnataka MLAs' opinion, high command will decide on CM: Kharge

There have been many veiled threats made by DKS about the 'sacrifices' he have made for Congress and Siddaramiah, and that he expects some thing in return as well. Siddaramiah is also a smart cookie and have managed to get what ever he wants by pressurising Sonia, Pappu Ghandi duo. An option may be to make one CM and the other Dy.CM or have a kind of time sharing formula. But it would not be a smooth sail.

Now read this news - KA DGP Praveen Sood is moving in as CBI director. He has a tenure of two years, and he is not in the good books of DKS. So there would be more CBI raids on DKS, which will keep him busy. If Siddaramiah is the CM, it would only make him happy as he also will get a breathing space. The BJP if it plays its game smartly, it can get the Vokkaliggas disgruntled against the Congress govt under Siddaramiah.
The "past sell by date" honesty card is a NPA (non performing asset) because the lower level corruption has spiked astronomically and that leads one to suspect that new conduits have opened up and the traditional beneficiaries of the gravy train are still in the drivers cab and the cash flow continues unabated, albeit via a different route...

The large scale corruption at the FDI level has gone underground and has moved off shore. One has to see what's happening in the dravidian state and non BJP states to get an idea of the scale and sophistication of these extractive operations.

There is a very similar ecosystem in the BJP states too. It would be naive to assume otherwise. The fight in KAR was and is over the spoils and the fear of being thrown off the gravy train has caused the revolt, leading up to the debacle and the very same fight will continue with the blessings of congi govt and now, additionally, there will also be the very greedy jehadi mouth for the congis to feed.

The BJP did not even counter this charge of 40% commission while the congis, with the help of the godi media successfully hid their misdeeds.

The drastic change now is that the jehadis have been allowed full reign to enter the picture and they start out with violence and murder to enforce their extractive writ.

The geezers on the street and the middle classes are, as the popular saying goes, are truly "f(uked and far from home"

violence will escalate because of the oft repeated but not true jehadi perception of "we have ruled over you for over a thousand years" syndrome.

the congis won because they distributed money across the board to the lower socio economic strata of voters. The vokkaliga, lingayath voters and other nonsense being bandied about is just to cover up this vital fact, because otherwise questions will arise as to from where did the congis get the money to do this on such a massive scale.

The only failure was that the incumbent state and central govts were utterly ineffective in countering this BIF assault because that is where the money has come from. The abrahamics have funded this because that is where the drugs, gold, rohingyas and the beedis have come from.

AP is gone , so is TN and now they are targeting KAR to form a contiguous land mass just like they have done in the NE.

The massive interception of smuggled gold, drugs, and weapons, including the human trafficking of filth like the rohingyas into sensitive areas of India has its own tale to tell, and the BIF will geopolitically assert themselves to prevent UCC, NRC and CAA.

The west simply cannot absorb any more jehadi "refugees" and so the next option is naturally a (relatively) rich and rising India with a docile population and a so called "democracy" which has been infiltrated by the BIF and many of the pillars are already under the BIF sway.

The cheeni and the paki hand cannot be dismissed or even overestimated. They stand to gain the most if the congis come to power or are even a part of the coalition. The drugs are ISI sourced and the rohingya/beedi combine are cheeni sourced

The next forced wave of refugees will be into India because the west (BIF) will demand that India does its bit to help these "unfortunates", as they, the west, have already done their bit to help out

we are being set up for 2024 and at the end of those elections, the same stoopide and fruitless analysis of vokkaligas , lingayaths, and jehadis, and dalits, BCs, OBCs etc like topics will take place, but on a national scale.

KAR was lost because of political naivety, ego of seniors, fatal candidate selection and the all pervading sense of invincibility when every sign pertaining to voter dissatisfaction was clearly visible since almost a year prior to these elections

Local issues were completely neglected and irrelevant nonissues were taken to the voters, nonissues in which the voters of KAR largely had no stake in and just did not care a damn about

and remember ......

If a racist, imperialist, degenerate and an immoral creep like churchill knew this, way back in 1931, how come an ancient and evolved civilization, and an allegedly enlightened cultural behemoth like India, has failed to appreciate this universal truth even in 2023
'While the Hindu elaborates his argument, the Moslem sharpens his sword'

- Churchill at Royal Albert Hall on 18th March 1931
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Deans wrote:I've looked at the numbers in some detail. There are structural problems with the BJP which are evident in the last 3 state elections
(Guj, HP and Karnataka). It has little to do with Hindu vote consolidation.

In every single State election since 2014, the BJP's vote share is less than the previous LS election for that state.
State issues obviously matter more in state elections and BJP has not been able to provide the governance where enough voters can say they
are best placed to run the state.
That should tell us that LS 2014, 2019 were unique as they held the exceptional leader & circumstances combo. Will 2024 have the same combo? Since whenever that combo is missing, BJP goes back to its default limits of vote shares. The state elections are reminders of BJP natural voters and limits. No point in deep introspection, and must keep questioning and raising awareness about the opposition and its communal agenda.

On Karnataka specific, why didn't Congress been switched to 3rd place earlier where regional parties becomes the 1st or 2nd party of state, much like UP/WB/TG/AP. How have they sustain their local key leadership? Getting local leaders of different parties has been one way to increase the natural voters of BJPs.
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Ambar wrote:
madhu wrote:Even before results are announced , based on exit pole results look at the confidence of minority

In belagavi, minority shouted Pakistan zindabad in doubt of cop. Cop got pissed off and went straight to crowd and asked can u repeat as he did not hear properly... And minority became silent.
They were shouting "Asif Sait Zindabad", need to be careful how some of these incidents are shared in Social Media, BJP gets the blame as is for communalizing politics, this is the same with Bhatkal flag incident where two edited videos are making rounds.

i doubt. if it was simple shouting "Asif Sait Zindabad" why will police guy goes to the crowd and asks to repeat it louder as he wants to hear clearly? don't know how to uplaod only video so posting a youtube link of rightwing guy.
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Khattar running for cover pre emptively by calling for simultaneous LS/State elections.

He is another Bommai IMO.
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Paul wrote:Khattar running for cover pre emptively by calling for simultaneous LS/State elections.

He is another Bommai IMO.
That's the only chance he has of retaining the state. Probably the same with Maharashtra. It is also logistically convenient since the election was
scheduled just after LS.
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"mohabbat ki uukan" khul chuki hai...
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greatde wrote:
Deans wrote: In every single State election since 2014, the BJP's vote share is less than the previous LS election for that state.
State issues obviously matter more in state elections and BJP has not been able to provide the governance where enough voters can say they
are best placed to run the state.
That should tell us that LS 2014, 2019 were unique as they held the exceptional leader & circumstances combo. Will 2024 have the same combo? Since whenever that combo is missing, BJP goes back to its default limits of vote shares. The state elections are reminders of BJP natural voters and limits. No point in deep introspection, and must keep questioning and raising awareness about the opposition and its communal agenda.

On Karnataka specific, why didn't Congress been switched to 3rd place earlier where regional parties becomes the 1st or 2nd party of state, much like UP/WB/TG/AP. How have they sustain their local key leadership? Getting local leaders of different parties has been one way to increase the natural voters of BJPs.
There are important differences with 2014.
In 2014, it was a big vote for chance. People were fed up of corruption and lack of governance under UPA.
in 2024, NDA will be in power for 10 years. Modi ji himself will be nearing 75.

The opposition was more fragmented in 2014 than it would be in 2024.
NDA will have fewer allies in 2024, unless they make a real effort now.

In 2019, NDA gains were:
- Bihar (9) & Haryana (3) because of a divided opposition.
- West Bengal (16) Karnataka (8), Odisha (6) Telengana (3) because they had not voted BJP in any meaningful way earlier.

NDA losses were:
- TN (36) - ally AIADMK collapsed.
- UP (9) - Higher opposition unity.
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