Assembly Elections - 2022 & 2023

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williams wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:
Not surprised in the least bit. Beats me why many are so desperate to see a Muslim change of heart due to Vikas. There isn't any, nor will there ever be any. Muslim voting percentage for BJP has remained in the 6% ballpark since 2014. Some have a fond hope that Triple Talaq, UCC etc will attract Muslim women's vote towards BJP. Not going to happen.

Hindu consolidation is the only game worth playing. Bheda among opposition where possible.
6% is a good number. I don't think anyone in BJP is desperate to see a Muslim change of heart. But helps make the point that while BJP does not appease the Muslim community, they don't have a policy of discriminating against them. All the development work has equal benefits. Unfortunately more than the Muslims, it is the Hindu sickulars who keep harping that BJP discriminates and acts against the Muslim community. So this is part of the Hindu consolidation if you get me.
after the dilli riots and shaheen bagh, the jehadis have been forced to reveal their hand prematurely and having done so due to some hotheads speaking out of turn, they have no options left now but to throw down the gauntlet

they are past the point of "appeasement" and are moving quickly down the consolidation path which is forcing a similar reaction from the majority

they are free to riot without fear of blowback only in some states and that space is fast reducing.

the jehadi consolidation as well as the almost complete riot free conduct of the UP elections shows that they need state support to riot and "express" themselves.

That jehadi consolidation has polarized the majority as well, which is not something that they want. states like bengal, jharkhand, kerala use the might of the state to keep the majority subdued but for how long

It is the foolish majority in kerala that keeps the commies in power. They don't seem to have gained anything significant in this blood soaked quid pro quo.

for a "change of heart" you need to have a heart in the first place.

Modi's "saab ka saat" is pandering to a bunch of entitled freeloaders.

It is a form of jizya.
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Cyrano wrote:The graphic posted above confirms that TS state is doing well right now and BJP's vikas plank alone will not be enough.

By TS do you mean Telangana ? If so the stats will be skewed by Hyderabad. The interior districts of Telangana used to compete with the bimaru states when the state was formed. Not sure if things have improved in the last 7 yrs.

@Omkarc can give us a better picture of the state
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vijayk wrote:Varun Gandhi openly asking vote for SP candidate. This is the same guy who has become MP on BJP ticket else he would had remain as a doormat in 10 Janpath
Who won this time around at Pilbhit? My understanding is that this Ghandi was not given a ticket this time.
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vijayk wrote:Varun Gandhi openly asking vote for SP candidate. This is the same guy who has become MP on BJP ticket else he would had remain as a doormat in 10 Janpath
Who won this time around at Pilbhit? My understanding is that this Ghandi was not given a ticket this time.
ghandhy is an MP like his mother and they are also lootyens darlings.

don't think that mother and son ever wanted to be MLAs and remain confined to the state onlee.

Both of them, mother and son, are self imagined political royalty, high flyers, pretentious, and entitled megalomaniacs with ambitions and aspirations far beyond their mediocre capabilities with very similar bloodlines to the mafia famiglia

mother and son are currently on liquid oxygen, distanced, desolate, and defanged
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..and deranged ! Menaka had some value to BJP in early 00s to counter Sonia Gandhi with BJP's own Gandhi. Luckily for BJP with it being a cadre led party kept this mother-son Gandhi duo at a arm's length else BJP too would have gone INC's way today. It was a huge mistake to give her a cabinet berth in 2014.
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Ambar wrote:..and deranged ! Menaka had some value to BJP in early 00s to counter Sonia Gandhi with BJP's own Gandhi. Luckily for BJP with it being a cadre led party kept this mother-son Gandhi duo at a arm's length else BJP too would have gone INC's way today. It was a huge mistake to give her a cabinet berth in 2014.
she actively encouraged FFNGOs of very dubious reputation and some members of her clan are running NGOs getting "aid" from the govt as well as the FFNGOs

she was instrumental in weaponizing the "animal rights activists" with their antinational agenda even when she was in the govt.

her one time brother in law is col shooklaw, her now divorced sister's husband who has deep ties to the mafia
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Mark my words this mother-son duo are headed to their "mothership" INC sooner or later. They sense an opportunity now with Sonia aging, both her kids turning out to be duds with no clear sign of continuity, so the opportunity is ripe for Menaka and Varun to jump the ship.
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Whatever congress needs. It's not another Gandhi.

India needs a better opposition.
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Severe bad blood between Antonia Maino and Menaka so them joining hands is unlikely. Sonia Gandy and her stupid children hold all the monies in the party, which is about the only reason all the congress slaves kiss the ground these Gandys walk on. Paki/INC (equivalent) scumbag Ahmed Patel's death in 2020 has to be one of the best things to happen to India that decade -- INC seems to have lost the plot since then.
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what DK said is right - without sonia et al - congress will split - this is a case cutting the duck that lays the golden egg. they are still in power in many states and will come back here and there. they cant afford to shake that gravy train. this will continue with next generation of their family as well. till they die slowly or make a comeback in another 20 years - you never know. their best chance was to continue with other leaders after PVNR - but they lost the opportunity then.
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V_Raman wrote:what DK said is right - without sonia et al - congress will split - this is a case cutting the duck that lays the golden egg. they are still in power in many states and will come back here and there. they cant afford to shake that gravy train. this will continue with next generation of their family as well. till they die slowly or make a comeback in another 20 years - you never know. their best chance was to continue with other leaders after PVNR - but they lost the opportunity then.

Chornia remains the cheif. "The CWC unanimously reaffirms its faith in the leadership of Smt. Sonia Gandhi and requests the Congress President to lead from the front," the party said in a statement

Thank God the Gandhis are not leaving till the mission "congress Mukt Bharat " is accomplished. we are so close. we need Papu and his pagal sister to finish the job.
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Ambar wrote:Mark my words this mother-son duo are headed to their "mothership" INC sooner or later. They sense an opportunity now with Sonia aging, both her kids turning out to be duds with no clear sign of continuity, so the opportunity is ripe for Menaka and Varun to jump the ship.
The Congressies will no longer serve them like they served SoGa and RaGa. They can never have that clout, unless some foreign power supports them. Too late to build an aura around them. Their ship sailed after SoGa jumped in.
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Sachin wrote:
vijayk wrote:Varun Gandhi openly asking vote for SP candidate. This is the same guy who has become MP on BJP ticket else he would had remain as a doormat in 10 Janpath
Who won this time around at Pilbhit? My understanding is that this Ghandi was not given a ticket this time.
IIRC, he runs for MP not MLA.

Pilibhit
Winner: SANJAY SINGH GANGWAR (BJP)
Nearest Looser: SHAILENDRA SINGH GANGWAR (SP)
Vote Difference : 6970

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Sonia Gandhi ready to 'sacrifice' top post but CWC 'reaffirms' faith in her
The news report are full of gems as "At the meeting, sources said, Sonia said that "whatever sacrifices we (Gandhis) have to make, we (Gandhis) will do" and "CWC "reaffirmed" its faith in her leadership and that there “cannot be a whisper” about her leadership" :roll:.
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Thank God. My biggest fear has been put to rest.
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The latest Indian response tells me that it was indeed an Indian non state missile which acted in favour of the Indian state.

Imagine that?

A non state, state missile.
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Maneka tried to put her Pappu as BJPs CM's face of UP in 2017. Badly backfired. From then onwards, they did not recover. No one cares for them in BJP now.

From what we hear, both Pappus and Bottle are close to each other. So all three being in the party may be possible. But only after MQ's lifetime. I do not see MQ agreeing to have another Pappu in the party as competition to her own Pappu.
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It is high time for G23 to separate them selves crom Cong I and call it something else. They have some influence.......well bit more then Gandhis
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The 8% muslim vote for BJP inspite of extreme muslim polarization must be mostly ex-muslims. This ties in with 6% Indian muslims being ex-muslims from pew research.
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hanumadu wrote:The 8% muslim vote for BJP inspite of extreme muslim polarization must be mostly ex-muslims. This ties in with 6% Indian muslims being ex-muslims from pew research.
M women who are tired of daily abuse.
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hanumadu wrote:The 8% muslim vote for BJP inspite of extreme muslim polarization must be mostly ex-muslims. This ties in with 6% Indian muslims being ex-muslims from pew research.

+ female, Shia’s and some from gorakhpur. Yogi has a cult following in some Muslims from Gorakhpur similar to Modi in ‘ Kutch Muslims’
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rsingh wrote:It is high time for G23 to separate them selves crom Cong I and call it something else. They have some influence.......well bit more then Gandhis

If they had the energy to do something, they would not have waited for over 2 years after the letter. They would have acted on their argument and either removed the dynasty. Or compelled Sonia to agree with the issues raised. They have not been able to get anything done.

That tell me that INC no longer has the human resource base needed to execute any of the decision or plans developed by the top.

At this point they are a zombie political party. The body is alive but the mind is gone.
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Ambar wrote:
hanumadu wrote:The 8% muslim vote for BJP inspite of extreme muslim polarization must be mostly ex-muslims. This ties in with 6% Indian muslims being ex-muslims from pew research.
M women who are tired of daily abuse.
I've heard/read that this number is heavily inflated, so don't get your hopes too high.
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BJP is living in a big dream if it thinks it will get any good % of so-called minority votes. Not even Sikhs are going to vote for it. The level of brainwashing and hate on BJP is very high in them. Not just hate but also contempt they have on Hindus these people have is not open but comes out many times during their "secular talk". Even a significant % of Sikhs are now like that. They look down on Hindus now.

It will be better if BJP realises it asap and look after its Hindu votes more than follow this secular vada-pav idea.
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True. The new template is sub-nationalism and regional/linguistic pride with BJP being portrayed as the "outsider". This will be followed through by media, political and academic brainwashing for decades.

Template worked in TN, WB & Punjab. Maharashtra has tried it with mixed success. It can be carried out in all non-Hindi speaking states because the states themselves have been linguistically defined. Expect people like Jegan and TRS to play this card too. Kerala doesn't need to play this card - they are already horribly BIF'ied

Lets see how this will play out in Gujarat once Modi Ji retires from active politics. Gujarat has always been more mercantile than linguistic-chauvinist. But will they still be loyal to BJP post-Modi?

The only way for BJP to counter it is to have "linguistic-insiders" - groom popular, sons-of-the-soil in each state. Drive people's attention away from BIF-agenda towards a Hindu Renaissance + Development agenda. Its a tough sell because its always easier to play up grievances and blame someone else. Much harder to pull everyone together to work towards Atmanirbhar & treat someone from a different part of your country as your brother. Easier to divide than to unite.

We need people like Annamalai and Himanta in each state, who will build up these linguistic-regional-native, pro-India organizations

And this is why its also important to have Shatrubodh (recognizing the enemy) and to ruthlessly eliminate them from their roots. Otherwise, we will forever face the asymmetry of They have to win only once, but we have to win every time
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Assembly Elections 2022 must go down as a watershed moment in the history of India.

For several, several, and several reasons and I will try to highlight some of them here.

Congress has been wiped out from all states. Congress mukt Bharat is indeed coming true. This is a party that just a decade back was at the center and won in Manipur, Uttarakhand, and Himachal Pradesh. And in 2012, it was in power in Karnataka, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Manipur, Mizoram, and Meghalaya. At this stage, Congress is reduced to a rump in Rajasthan and Chattisgarh. With total wipe out from the Hindi belt. The Pappu king had to run away from Amethi and stand from Wayanad, Kerala with support from Islamists. In nutshell, it will be difficult for Pappu to be crowned as PM in the next 10 years. A youth icon at 62 years indeed.

It is a big defeat for the BIF gang. I will come later on this.

Big victory for the Indian electorate and Indian democracy. Several articles have been written, and a lot of analysis has taken place. Vote shares have been discussed. Turns out in Punjab, Indians voted across caste lines to kick out CONgoons and Akalis. Even Sr. Badal got a boot. In UP, voters again cut across caste lines to vote the incumbent who delivered on the ground.

What does that mean? It means that in spite of cleavage lines across class, caste, creed, religion, region etc., the voters overwhelmingly chose to be Indians. That is, Modi's "Saabka Saath, Saabka Vikas" slogan really clicked on the ground and provided enough incentive to vote BJP in power in 4 out of 5 states.

It just means that the BIF gang has to work harder to cleave Indians. They will have to now go beyond caste, class, identity etc lines.

I will ask for a digression of thought here.

Russia invades Ukraine. NATO puts sanctions on Russia. Ukraine is getting decimated. Russia may get stuck in a quagmire or even if it wins, it would have to rebuild. In all this, who benefits? Cui Bono? Of course - USA!

Isnt' it a great strategy. There will be some hurt. A momentarily economic pain. However setting a brother against brother and beggaring both means one less challenger. Put Ukraine against Rus. Promise them NATO, EU and the moon. Make them go at each other throats and watch from sidelines. Make bakis froth at the mouth and make them go after India. Cut down India's space. Setup narrators like Robin Raphael and cast aspersions on Kashmir's ascension to India (and forgetting that Hawaiis' take over by US is on very thin grounds, it is colonial!).

Any challenger comes, create a rabid dog. If there is no big external dog, create many internal ones. Arundhoti, Barkha Mutts, Darkha Butts etc etc can be created on a dime. Start many wars within India. Ask Kanucks to support Khalistanis. Reach out to MaoMatas or DMK and see if further internal rifts can be exploited.

Of course, this stopped at China. Why? Look at China. Falun Gong, Uighurs, Manchurians, ethnic Mongolians in China can be brutalized into peace. China does not care for its population. It cares for Party. So penetration in China is tough.

Coming back. For once, BIF blinked. In UP, BJP is a "communal" "patriarchical" party. More people across caste lines and some across religious lines vote for the incumbent. More women voted for BJP than the population of several West European states.

India is uniting democratically and that is immense.

So please savour the moment. It is very few times in history that Modi's "Saabka Vikas, Saabka Vishwas" deliveries on the ground brought such a support that the winning party got a vote share last seen in 1978. Almost 44 years back. Savour the fact that the population is tired of the same old policies or lack of it from the Badals, the captains and the CONgoons. Let's see how AAP handles the mandate it has been given. But that analysis is for tomorrow.

Right now, BIF is licking its defeat.
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https://www.news18.com/news/politics/so ... 78218.html
After the 'Chintan Shivering' Mataji speaks or rather sacks the state chiefs but floats the balloon of sacrifice(using rNDTV and similiar darbari channels) We should say Lage Raho Famiglia until 2024
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Tis Time for a comprehensive Vikas Package to be implemented across India. This package includes a lot of infra work - road connectivity, ports, railway lines, metro, urban infra (water, electricity, sewer, etc) for all tiered cities 1..n, an upgrade village package along PURA lines and othe misc. This is well thought out state by state, district by district, taluk by taluk, etc. All BJP states simply implement for the next 5 yrs. The non-BJP states are offered the same with strict guidelines (no mis-use). India prints as much money as needed for these programs, convert them to India INFRA Bonds and allow investment into bonds by janata, tax free. This should have a huge multiplier on GDP and India finally upgrades the country. Have to think really big, simply 10x all current projections and aim high.
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Atmavik wrote:
Cyrano wrote:The graphic posted above confirms that TS state is doing well right now and BJP's vikas plank alone will not be enough.

By TS do you mean Telangana ? If so the stats will be skewed by Hyderabad. The interior districts of Telangana used to compete with the bimaru states when the state was formed. Not sure if things have improved in the last 7 yrs.

@Omkarc can give us a better picture of the state

I will try to post something on the latest developments in Telangana in next few days, very busy at work.
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Will await that.
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about the 4 out of 5 state elections some thoughts...

Even before results are certified, both Shukra Coupta and Yashwant Deshmuck wrote articles on how to defeat Modi by further division of the Hindu vote. And didn't recognize the 2/3 majority in UP and Uttarakhand. This is an earthquake.
Also, the defeat of SP shows goonda gardi has no place in UP. And has its impact on TMC.
Coming to the TMC they are a Bengal party only and survive on violence. They just killed a Congress leader. They are Bengal's version of JKLF.
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chetak, Looks like Kharge is now Ahmed Patel for Mona Sonia.
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Disha after Kashmir Files movies a mad dog catching program will be needed.
Ukraine Crisis also points to the same need.

As a school boy there used to be comics of tyrannosaurus rex versus triceratops fights

Both are old line dinosaurs.
What to do!
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vimal wrote:
Ambar wrote:
M women who are tired of daily abuse.
I've heard/read that this number is heavily inflated, so don't get your hopes too high.
No, the number is real.
And a lot of mullas are worried sick.
Soon they will suppress women voters.
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Yagnasri wrote:Maneka tried to put her Pappu as BJPs CM's face of UP in 2017. Badly backfired. From then onwards, they did not recover. No one cares for them in BJP now.

From what we hear, both Pappus and Bottle are close to each other. So all three being in the party may be possible. But only after MQ's lifetime. I do not see MQ agreeing to have another Pappu in the party as competition to her own Pappu.
There was also news that Varun Gandhi didn't campaign this time at all in assembly elections.

Interestingly, Modi addressed the BJP Parliamentary Party yesterday (which has both Maneka and Varun Gandhi) and spoke about the ills of dynastic politics. If that isn't making them squirm and think about future, wonder what will ?
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m_saini wrote:
ramana wrote:Is there a full text in English of PM Modiji remarks today at BJP HQ?
I wrote a script which did the translation so please pardon any mistakes. I did a check-read and added some time-stamps so things shouldn't be too far off.
Speech starts at 25:28
Bharat Mata ki..
Bharat Mata ki..
Bharat Mata ki..
Today is the day of enthusiasm, celebration. This celebration is for the Indian democracy, I congratulate the voters who participated in these elections very very much. For their decision, I express thankfulness for the voters. Especially our mothers and sisters, our youth, the way they gave ample support to BJP, it on it's own is a huge message.
(26:50) I'm also satisfied at the fact that the 1st time voters(new voters) took part increasingly in the voting and ensured the victory of BJP. During elections, BJP's workers promised me that this time Holi will start from 10 March onwards (crowd applauses).

44:54 Today I will also specially applaud Punjab's BJP workers, despite unfavourable circumstances the way they hoisted party's flag, in the coming time it will strengthen BJP in Punjab, strengthen country's toughness(don't know how to translate this correctly), we will develop it like a special
.....
with ground realities) and our actions have forever moved forward on the tracks of sincerity and well-intentions. Wherever there was a government of double-engine(not sure what this means), there people's interests were doubly protected and development activities have picked up pace.

...Friends, in this global context, amidst these difficulties, if you look at this-time(current) budget, then you get a sense of confidence, country is moving forward on the path of Atmanirbhar. This feeling received more energy from this-time budget and I believe that this difficult environment which is everywhere in the world, this unsettled environment, this undetermined environment, India's population, especially states like UP have given a proof of their farsightedness.


1:10:03 Bharat Mata ki..
Bharat Mata ki..
Bharat Mata ki..
Thanks very much.
M_saini saab, thanks for taking the time to convert the whole speech into english.
Just wanted to clarify the highlighted post. Double engine as was the slogan in UP election refers to the BJP govt being present in Centre and State level and working with twice the speed and power to implement schemes which otherwise the state govts in non BJP rules states don't do for narrow political gains and thought process.
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venkat_kv wrote:M_saini saab, thanks for taking the time to convert the whole speech into english.
Just wanted to clarify the highlighted post. Double engine as was the slogan in UP election refers to the BJP govt being present in Centre and State level and working with twice the speed and power to implement schemes which otherwise the state govts in non BJP rules states don't do for narrow political gains and thought process.
venkat-ji, no thanks or saab necessary, happy to do whatever little i can :)
I wasn't aware of the slogan hence the confusion on my part. Thanks, will update the op with the info!
Edit: looks like you can't edit posts after a certain time. My bad.
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What can BJP do before 2024??
On a lighter note me thinks two things:
1. Get Sidhu to resign from Cong and join AAP or better still TMC :rotfl:
2. Dar ka B or Bar ka D (however you want to call our own Madam Jalebi, Mods I am no misogynist please) to interview Kejri before 2024 election provided PK/Didi/Pappu agree for him to be the Prime Ministerial Candidate to oppose NaMo :lol:
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