Terroristan - March 31, 2022

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Ambar wrote: I asked this question in the 'Pakistan Economic Stress watch' thread a month ago - why did the establishment decide to pull the plug on Imran now knowing how bad the economic situation is ? The smart thing to do was to let Imran fall on his own sword, pull the subsidies, let inflation run wild and let the citizens bay for his blood. Then call for elections and install the shariffs as "white knights" to save the day. Instead the establishment ended up helping Imran by taking the pressure off him, making him a martyr and pretty much closing the doors on shariffs returning to power for the next 3 yrs.
Amber ji, this is a textbook case of paki's "tactical brilliance" at play. Idiots cannot think farther than their arm's reach.
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Dilbu wrote:Imran Khan gives six-day ultimatum to govt to announce elections. Former Prime Minister while addressing to the protestors of long march in Islamabad, warned the government that if announcement of elections will not be made, he will return to Islamabad.

After Imran Khan s announcement, protesters of the sit-in also dispersed at the Numaish Churangi in Karachi. :lol:
What a KLPD. I was hoping for great Friday with beer and popcorns. But Pakis disappoint again in the revolution.
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BREAKING
Govt raises prices of petroleum products by Rs30
"We think this step will bring stability in markets," says Finance Minister Miftah Ismail.
Updated 5 minutes ago

hA hA hA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Pakis caved in.
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It is still nowhere near what IMF had asked for. With a Rs 30 per litre hike, the new price per litre of petrol will be ~Rs 180 PKR/litre or roughly around Rs 69/litre INR ! India hasn't seen petrol prices in the 60s since mid-2019, goes to show how much Pakistan subsidizes fuel . Even the Rs 30 hike apparently will be in phases, meaning this is just window dressing to get IMF to release the first tranche.
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Ambar wrote:It is still nowhere near what IMF had asked for. With a Rs 30 per litre hike, the new price per litre of petrol will be ~Rs 180 PKR/litre or roughly around Rs 69/litre INR ! India hasn't seen petrol prices in the 60s since mid-2019, goes to show how much Pakistan subsidizes fuel . Even the Rs 30 hike apparently will be in phases, meaning this is just window dressing to get IMF to release the first tranche.
And a lot of the paki fuel is smuggled into afghanistan.

They don't really want to piss off the afghan jehadis
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Ambar wrote:It is still nowhere near what IMF had asked for. With a Rs 30 per litre hike, the new price per litre of petrol will be ~Rs 180 PKR/litre or roughly around Rs 69/litre INR ! India hasn't seen petrol prices in the 60s since mid-2019, goes to show how much Pakistan subsidizes fuel . Even the Rs 30 hike apparently will be in phases, meaning this is just window dressing to get IMF to release the first tranche.
IMO The price to dealers in India is ~Rs 45/Liter. Rest of the amount is different type of taxes and dealer markup.

at 180 Pakis will not be subsidizing the fuel but will not be generating anticipated revenues through taxes.
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We pay over 52% in various taxes on every litre of fuel sold in India and we also refine a lot of what we consume. The pakis neither have any natural oil resource nor much refining capacity (we have 23 refineries compared to their 5), so if they are selling fuel at a much lower price than India (even after the latest 20% hike) then they are subsidizing indirectly.
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CalvinH wrote: IMO The price to dealers in India is ~Rs 45/Liter. Rest of the amount is different type of taxes and dealer markup.
The high taxes in India end up reducing the consumption of fuel as well because of affordability. This is not ideal but it does help a little bit by reducing the oil imports during times like these. Pakis have been overconsuming (and thus overimporting) both oil and gas due to artificially low prices for many years now without making much revenue for the government as well. This has been a big reason for the periodic forex crises and panic attacks but every govt. in power seems to wiggle out of it thanks to money coming in from pak's multiple sugar-daddies and other regular creditors. Paki awaam has become crybabies who are now addicted to low fuel prices and complain loudly despite paying way less than what our people do. The present regime is sure to get their butts kicked in the next elections if they go through with this hike.
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Ambar wrote:We pay over 52% in various taxes on every litre of fuel sold in India and we also refine a lot of what we consume. The pakis neither have any natural oil resource nor much refining capacity (we have 23 refineries compared to their 5), so if they are selling fuel at a much lower price than India (even after the latest 20% hike) then they are subsidizing indirectly.
Good point indeed. While 5 vs 23 doesn't say much given their smaller size, here is something I learnt today:
June 17, 2020: Currently, five refineries are operating in the country with an overall installed capacity of 417,400 barrel per day (BPD) oil and contributing significantly in meeting the petroleum needs through indigenous production.

Pak Arab Refinery Limited (PARCO) has 100,000 BPD oil refining capacity, Attock Refinery Limited (ARL) 53,400 BPD, Byco Petroleum Pakistan Limited (Byco) 150,000 BPD, National Refinery Limited (NRL) 64,000 BPD and Pakistan Refinery Limited 50,000 BPD, according to the Economic Survey 2019-20.

As per the data, Pakistan’s total consumption of petroleum products stood at 19.68 Million Tons (MTs) during the fiscal year 2019-20, out of which 11.59 MTs was achieved through local refineries and 8.09 MT through import.

The petrol consumption in the country was 7.6 MTs per annum, out of which 30 percent was being catered from local refineries and rest was being imported to meet the national demand.

Similarly, the consumption of Diesel was around 7.3 MTs/annum. The local production can meet 65 percent of the total demand, while the rest is being imported.
https://mettisglobal.news/five-refineri ... -pakistan/
India has a total refining capacity of 250 MMTA per https://www.statista.com/statistics/715 ... crude-oil/. I am not sure how it converts to mbd; also utilization will necessarily be lower than capacity. But India does export a lot of refined fuels including to the US.

Also note that India presumably has better long term crude contracts, and crude purchases not limited by threat of sanctions (i.e. from Russia), which will reduce the average cost. Does Pak get free crude these days from father four? Not counting free crude, I believe our input costs will be lower and more modern refineries operating at high scale & utilization will be more efficient.
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The lobby roof of the Pearl Continental K’rachi has collapsed, killing one and injuring three (all haraam links so far, therefore not linking).

Confess- which of you high flying jet setting mauleners ate pindi chana in K’rachi yesterday?
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Looks like establishment broker a deal for Imran to back off and chota Sharif to raise the oil prices.
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https://theprint.in/sport/india-enter-s ... an/972458/
India enter Super 4s stage of Asia Cup with 16-0 win over Indonesia, WC door shut on Pakistan
PTI, 26 May, 2022

Jakarta, May 26 (PTI) Rising to the occasion, Indian men’s hockey team slammed six goals in the final quarter for a crushing 16-0 victory against Indonesia, a result that took the holders into the Super 4s stage of the Asia Cup but shut the World Cup door on Pakistan, here on Thursday.
India needed to win the Pool A contest by at least a 15-0 margin to qualify and the young players of the side delivered under pressure.
Both India and Pakistan finished on four points each in Pool A behind Japan but the defending champions qualified for the next round due to better goal difference (1).
Pakistan had lost 2-3 to Japan earlier in the day.
The result not only pushed Pakistan out of the tournament but also dashed their hopes of World Cup qualification since only the top three teams here will be given tickets for the big event.
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They are crying in YouTube. It seems that they had 12 players playing in the field.
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India has a total refining capacity of 250 MMTA per https://www.statista.com/statistics/715 ... crude-oil/. I am not sure how it converts to mbd; also utilization will necessarily be lower than capacity. But India does export a lot of refined fuels including to the US.
Saar our refining capacity is 5 million barrels per day. 2nd highest in Asia, after the Dragon who is at 16 million bpd.
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nachiket wrote: The high taxes in India end up reducing the consumption of fuel as well because of affordability. This is not ideal but it does help a little bit by reducing the oil imports during times like these. Pakis have been overconsuming (and thus overimporting) both oil and gas due to artificially low prices for many years now without making much revenue for the government as well. This has been a big reason for the periodic forex crises and panic attacks but every govt. in power seems to wiggle out of it thanks to money coming in from pak's multiple sugar-daddies and other regular creditors. Paki awaam has become crybabies who are now addicted to low fuel prices and complain loudly despite paying way less than what our people do. The present regime is sure to get their butts kicked in the next elections if they go through with this hike.
Basically Paki elites have got a nation for themselves where things are available to them cheap and without taxes. From cheap oil to cheap imported cars to cheap imported phones. Who needs domestic industry and taxes when things can be imported cheap. Taxes are anyways for giving facilities to the garib class who can eat grass.
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g.sarkar wrote:https://theprint.in/sport/india-enter-s ... an/972458/
India enter Super 4s stage of Asia Cup with 16-0 win over Indonesia, WC door shut on Pakistan
PTI, 26 May, 2022
Hockey can be very high scoring when teams are mismatched. Anyway Indian showing was relatively poor this time (draw with Pak, loss to Japan) and it was for a good reason - this is a brand new team. Good to expose our new talent to the international league, when it is tactically safe to do so.
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It is still nowhere near what IMF had asked for. With a Rs 30 per litre hike, the new price per litre of petrol will be ~Rs 180 PKR/litre or roughly around Rs 69/litre INR ! India hasn't seen petrol prices in the 60s since mid-2019, goes to show how much Pakistan subsidizes fuel . Even the Rs 30 hike apparently will be in phases, meaning this is just window dressing to get IMF to release the first tranche.
IMF wants to increase patrol price 47 RS and Fazloo 86 RS.
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1691762/pm-sh ... bankruptcy
PM Shehbaz says hiking fuel price was necessary to avoid bankruptcy
Announces Rs28 billion relief package to "protect the poor" from price hike; says Utility Stores to sell 10kg flour at Rs400
So subsidy was removed and then added back in a different form. How will IMF react?
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1691756/ihc-g ... ation-case
IHC grants lawyer Imaan Mazari-Hazir pre-arrest bail in army 'defamation' case
Shakeel Qarar | Tahir Naseer Published May 27, 2022

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Friday granted lawyer Imaan Zainab Mazari-Hazir pre-arrest bail till June 9 in a case related to "abusing and defaming the senior command of the Pakistan Army".
Her pre-arrest bail application, which was filed by Advocate Zainab Janjua, was heard by IHC Chief Justice Athar Minallah.
A first information report (FIR) was registered against Mazari-Hazir on May 26 at the capital's Ramna police station on the complaint of Lt Colonel Syed Humayun Iftikhtar, who was representing the Judge Advocate General (JAG) branch of the General Headquarters (GHQ).
The JAG branch of the Pakistan Armed Forces is composed of the military's senior officers, lawyers and judges who provide legal services to the army, air force, navy, and marines at all levels of command. It falls under the law directorate of the army.
She has been booked under sections 505 (inciting people against armed forces) and 138 (abetment of act of insubordination by soldier) of the Pakistan Penal Code.
The FIR said that Mazari-Hazir had made a "derogatory and hateful" statement on May 21, the day her mother, former human rights minister Shireen Mazari, was arrested from outside her house in a land ownership and transfer case.
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nachiket wrote:
CalvinH wrote: IMO The price to dealers in India is ~Rs 45/Liter. Rest of the amount is different type of taxes and dealer markup.
The high taxes in India end up reducing the consumption of fuel as well because of affordability. This is not ideal but it does help a little bit by reducing the oil imports during times like these. Pakis have been overconsuming (and thus overimporting) both oil and gas due to artificially low prices for many years now without making much revenue for the government as well. This has been a big reason for the periodic forex crises and panic attacks but every govt. in power seems to wiggle out of it thanks to money coming in from pak's multiple sugar-daddies and other regular creditors. Paki awaam has become crybabies who are now addicted to low fuel prices and complain loudly despite paying way less than what our people do. The present regime is sure to get their butts kicked in the next elections if they go through with this hike.
An added bonus of the unrealistic subsidies (paid for by American aid, and endless loans that are never paid back in addition to circular debt) is the exploding population.
CalvinH wrote:Looks like establishment broker a deal for Imran to back off and chota Sharif to raise the oil prices.
There wasn't any need for a deal. Without the support of the 'establishment' and mobilization from people like Jehangir Tareen, his dharna was a spectacular failure. Barely 5000 people turned up, and Dimran downhill skied back to Peshawar faster than a burkha-clad maulana escaping from Lal Masjid.
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Rumor is another Rs 30 hike is planned sometime in June. While i don't believe it will happen, even if it does then it puts the per litre price of petrol at around Rs 210 PKR/litre or 82 INR/litre or in other words 25% cheaper than India at today's prices. Pakistan is a never ending geopolitical ponzi scheme, they will continue to beg and borrow while subsidizing basics like petrol, wheat and sugar on borrowed money to keep the AK wielding jihadis at bay. They know they won't be allowed to default, so they'll continue borrowing more and more to finance their lifestyle. The net result ? In 2022 with a population of over 250 million they cannot even build a 100cc motorcycle on their own or spare parts for those used trucks they get from Japan and China. Nor do they have affordable hospital even for the middleclass to perform simple surgeries (hence many of them land in bangalore, hyderabad etc and never leave).

Back to the shortest "long march" in history, remember the infamous "bande kahan hain ?" phone call between him and the establishment in 2017 ? The guy cannot muster people outside the social media PTI youthias, he had the help of establishment to whip up hundreds of thousands in 2016-17 for his container rallies but cannot repeat it on his own now. The govt. today announced they are not budging until August, gives enough time to partially remove subsidies, get IMF to approve the loans, Bajwa to name a replacement and have an exit strategy for the Sharrifs .
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Ambar wrote:Rumor is another Rs 30 hike is planned sometime in June. While i don't believe it will happen, even if it does then it puts the per litre price of petrol at around Rs 210 PKR/litre or 82 INR/litre or in other words 25% cheaper than India at today's prices
What stops Indian "smugglers" from buying Paki petrol at INR 90 and causing shortages there?
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While it maybe difficult to smuggle petrol from pakiland into India and turn a profit, a great way to put more pain on Pakistan would be to aid in smuggling as much petrol as possible into Afghanistan.
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Ambar wrote:While it maybe difficult to smuggle petrol from pakiland into India and turn a profit, a great way to put more pain on Pakistan would be to aid in smuggling as much petrol as possible into Afghanistan.
Yeah, no need to smuggle to India.
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Pakis following SL
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Dilbu wrote:Apparently ISIS Khurasan is targeting policemen in Peshawar. Bhy phor?
Why not ! Why look a gift horse in the mouth ?
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Imran Khan ended Azadi march abruptly after talking to these 3 persons: Report
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It was a challenge to open "communication channels" with Imran Khan, especially, after his ouster from the PM post, but a "sense of urgency was felt everywhere" and multiple channels were employed to negotiate with Imran Khan, the Dawn report claimed.

A former chief justice, a leading businessman and a retired general were the three persons who acted as a go-between, the report said. Imran Khan was also asked to consider the return of his party members to the National Assembly by withdrawing the resignation of his party's legislators in those negotiations, the report added.

"I had decided that I will sit here until the government dissolves assemblies and announces elections, but of what I have seen in the past 24 hours, they (govt) are taking the nation towards anarchy," Imran Khan said as he announced the end of the Azadi march. The Dawn report said Imran Khan actually agreed to go back without staging the planned sit-in, on the assurance that the date for the dissolution of the assemblies and fresh general elections would be announced in June.

“There is a strong possibility of positive interference by the military to prevent chaos and seek a return of semblance of political stability so that the process for resuscitating the economy could begin,” Former National Security Adviser retired Lt Gen Naeem Khalid Lodhi told Dawn.

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Ok so someone has the video recordings. Maybe dragon honey trapped IK during one of his visits. They have a history of doing so.
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Wishful thinking or is something going on?
‘Back channel talks going on’ to break deadlock with India
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and India have been engaged in “back channel” talks in order to break the stalemate in the relationship between the two nuclear-armed neighbours, according to official sources familiar with the development.

Relations between the two countries have remained strained for years now and taken a turn for the worse in August 2019, when India unilaterally revoked the special status of the disputed Jammu and Kashmir region.
Since the new government came to power in Islamabad, there has been a renewed push by the two sides to find some way out. “Call it back channels, Track-II or behind-the-scene talks, I can only confirm that relevant people in both countries are in touch with each other,” an official source said.

The source, however, said that he did not have the exact details of those contacts, adding that it was precisely the purpose of “back channels” to keep the discussions under wraps, until something tangible had been decided.


Chances of an immediate breakthrough are slim given the political uncertainty in Pakistan and tough preconditions attached by both sides :) for any resumption of dialogue.
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Hello Everyone,

I am a following this forum since 2016, I finally was able to get access to this forum.

Coming @Dilbu ji's post about back channel talks, there is no doubt that talks are happening! :| :| If I am not wrong, then unofficial discussion between Pak and Indian reps will happen today when they meet to discuss about IWT.

I hope we can show carrot to them and ask them to get IMF's favor first, then we can discuss about reopening trade and sale of wheat (Yes, if the trade opens up, I am sure we will sell some wheat too).

If the talk indeed happens, I want our FO to stir it up and make a press statement :twisted: :twisted: , so that Imran can make life miserable to Pak counterparts :twisted: :twisted: .
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VishnuS wrote:Hello Everyone,

I am a following this forum since 2016, I finally was able to get access to this forum.

Coming @Dilbu ji's post about back channel talks, there is no doubt that talks are happening! :| :| If I am not wrong, then unofficial discussion between Pak and Indian reps will happen today when they meet to discuss about IWT.

I hope we can show carrot to them and ask them to get IMF's favor first, then we can discuss about reopening trade and sale of wheat (Yes, if the trade opens up, I am sure we will sell some wheat too).

If the talk indeed happens, I want our FO to stir it up and make a press statement :twisted: :twisted: , so that Imran can make life miserable to Pak counterparts :twisted: :twisted: .
Every Govt does backstage/Track two/informal exchange of views etc. Better not to highlight such things. Otherwise Baki being Baki will go ga ga over that. See Moodi was forced to talk to us and he was ready to give Kaaaaashmir but the racist RSS stoped him. We have seen this in past. leave it at that.
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rsingh wrote:
Every Govt does backstage/Track two/informal exchange of views etc. Better not to highlight such things. Otherwise Baki being Baki will go ga ga over that. See Moodi was forced to talk to us and he was ready to give Kaaaaashmir but the racist RSS stoped him. We have seen this in past. leave it at that.
That's the very reason @rsingh bhai.

In the past, Paki would go gaga... But now things are different!!

Im the Dim will make noise and put govt under even more pressure.

Announcement that unofficial talk is happening with Pak is not same as opening trade gates right, we can cause the chaos in Pak without giving any tangible benefits...

If Pak can spend money to cause riots in India, then why shouldn't India create rumor that will help in creating more chaos in Pak?
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Vishnu bhai, tu ruk mein abhi aya . Chai piyenge nukad pe. Tu vohi hei na phati lungi wala??????? Have we met before? Go read the rules before posting anything.
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Nobody is ready to lend money to Inbred Radicalised of Paxistan. Literally they begged everyone they knew. The Paxi PM is even ready to sell his clothes to get wheat ( I am not making this up). Articles are being written on how US is permanently loosing nuclear power ally to China but the reality is even their iron brother has already shown middle finger. They blame everybody except themselves for the mess. There is no to get out this $hit in short term. One option is implode and disown existing debts. After all that’s how China get rid of their debts by becoming PRC.
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Islamabad, TTP agree on indefinite ceasefire
PESHAWAR: The government of Pakistan and the outlawed Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) have agreed to extend the ceasefire, this time, indefinitely and continue negotiations to find an end to the nearly two decades of militancy in the tribal border region, it has been reliably learnt.

The extension in ceasefire, which was to come to an end last night, indicates significant progress in talks between the two sides in the Afghan capital Kabul, sources familiar with the development said.
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Atmavik wrote:Looks like Pakis are short on wheat supply. Time to eat Qaumi food … grass
But they have another option, der rice mitt mice schidt mixt…
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Baikul wrote:
Atmavik wrote:Looks like Pakis are short on wheat supply. Time to eat Qaumi food … grass
But they have another option, der rice mitt mice schidt mixt…
china can provide them pork :lol:
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I am baffled by our "keep peace at any cost" policy. Pakistan is probably at its weakest in more than 25 years. They are back where they were in mid-90s when it comes to political uncertainty, violence, terrorism and an economy which is on a verge of complete collapse. Given our situation back in the 90s i can at some level try to rationale our reason for not retaliating even when they were openly conducting daily terror attacks against India but now we have no reason to hold back. Every day brings news of a new targeted killing in Kashmir, every day brings news of new infiltration attempts, drone incursions, rearming khalistanis and yet we are talking about "track 2.0", "G2G wheat program", IWT etc. I am sure there is some "chanakian" move behind this strategic restraint of not lighting up the LOC but i am unable to identify it.
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^^Maybe MAD think Dim and Youthiyas will start a civil war in August/September given the wheat/electricity/ water/??Fuel shortages and inflation
Can the AJK assembly pass a resolution of formal merger with India or do they need a permission from Pindi for such resolution
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^^Maybe MAD think Dim and Youthiyas will start a civil war in August/September given the wheat/electricity/ water/??Fuel shortages and inflation
Can the AJK assembly pass a resolution of formal merger with India or do they need a permission from Pindi for such resolution :lol:
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Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022

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It is MADNESS if MAD thinks that Pakistan will disintegrate anytime soon. 7 civilians dead in targeted killings in the last 3 weeks not counting the military and JKPF casualties, and not a word from the defense minister nor the home minister. Pakistan will not mend its ways, they firmly believe in Zia's "death by a thousand cuts" philosophy when it comes to India, the least we can do to avenge the deaths and destruction is to make it really expensive for their military to just stay on the border. Come next round of elections we'll once again hear about surgical strikes and balakot but nothing about the terror attacks since Pulwama.
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