Terroristan - March 31, 2022

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 27 Jan 2023 13:53

X post.....

This means IMF will give some Bakshis to porkies

146 containers from Pakistan Ordnance Factories head to Ukraine via its neighbours

Pakistan has stepped up military supplies to Ukraine from the Karachi Port, coinciding with fresh Western defence supplies to Kyiv to thwart advances by the Russian military in Ukraine in recent weeks, according to people familiar with the matter.

In recent weeks, Pakistan has increased ammunition and other defence supplies via third countries that border Ukraine, they said.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 359359.cms

SidSoma · Post by **SidSoma** » 27 Jan 2023 14:19

Mollick.R wrote:X post.....

This means IMF will give some Bakshis to porkies

146 containers from Pakistan Ordnance Factories head to Ukraine via its neighbours
Pakistan has stepped up military supplies to Ukraine from the Karachi Port, coinciding with fresh Western defence supplies to Kyiv to thwart advances by the Russian military in Ukraine in recent weeks, according to people familiar with the matter.

In recent weeks, Pakistan has increased ammunition and other defence supplies via third countries that border Ukraine, they said.

With this on one hand..... Pakis are hoping for Oil at discounted rates (same as India) and wheat imports from Russia. I mean which world do these ppl come from

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 27 Jan 2023 14:43

^ Maybe Pakis have secret agreement with Russia that every 5th shell will blow up...

Shaktimaan · Post by **Shaktimaan** » 27 Jan 2023 15:01

I don't understand why we issued notice under Indus Waters Treaty today. The Pakis are eating themselves alive at the moment. Why give them a chance to unite against Evil Hindoo India? Bad timing IMHO.

partha · Post by **partha** » 27 Jan 2023 15:21

Mood of the nation:

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 27 Jan 2023 16:28

Shaktimaan wrote:I don't understand why we issued notice under Indus Waters Treaty today. The Pakis are eating themselves alive at the moment. Why give them a chance to unite against Evil Hindoo India? Bad timing IMHO.

Nope perfectly good timing....pile on the pressure

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 27 Jan 2023 22:02

Perfect time for a distraction. Lets gets Pakis busy in Hindu hatred and conspiracy theories that comes easy while the ship takes water...

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 27 Jan 2023 22:10

Yes. Just in case TSP was thinking about reducing defense spending.

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 27 Jan 2023 22:22

Dilbu wrote:Yes. Just in case TSP was thinking about reducing defense spending.

Lol!!! True. Hindus are trying to cut off Pakistan's water. only Paki fauj can give a muh thod reply..( Supply of plaats and shaaping palazaas shouldnt stop)

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Jan 2023 01:04

IMF vultures only circle the dying/dead.

Capture productive sectors and line your pockets instead of reinvesting the profits.

The end result of state capture by a military oligarchy.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 28 Jan 2023 01:47

Dilbu wrote:Yes. Just in case TSP was thinking about reducing defense spending.

Blasphemy

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 28 Jan 2023 02:27

RoyG wrote:IMF vultures only circle the dying/dead.
Capture productive sectors and line your pockets instead of reinvesting the profits.
The end result of state capture by a military oligarchy.

That is not true. Don't forget we went to IMF too. They are a facility of last resort; many of these countries were driven to the brink by corrupt leadership, and the rot was already in place before they went to the IMF. A lender is going to look at monetizable assets - if these countries are unable to pay back by regular measures (taxation, targeted privatization, liberalization) then they have to sell their assets, often at lowball prices.

The problem is that generally small countries lack the skills, systems and discipline to negotiate with the lender. Bucking the trend is Pakistan, a large country with every opportunity to redeem itself, that falls in the same bucket as a tinpot dictatorship.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Jan 2023 02:50

Basically the aim of IMF is to reduce social unrest.

They do not look at the good or the bad of the government or society, they just want stability. Stability is good, it keeps the countries around them stable. From that angle, they bail out countries to make sure that they do not get destroyed

Now IMF has a point of view on how to make countries self sustaining. I will not go into a critique of that, some ideas are good, some are bad.

One of the ideas that is good, is "If a country has structural issues, that is if sum total of expenditure is greater than sum total of income, and the deficit does not fuel growth, then they will eventually be in the Pakistan again". This I agree. Deficit spending is okay, if the growth makes up for the deficit (it is like borrowing to start a business, hopefully business is more profitable when compared to loan + interest at some point in the future). This is like a student loan.

Pakistan has deficit spending just to maintain their lifestyle. This is like your school friend who never got a job or a degree, drinks a lot, eats in fancy places and keeps borrowing money from you. You pay him, he is going to come back again asking for money with a different sob story next month.

The reason I think Pakistan is finished for the near to medium term, is that they were never self sustaining. Their initial growth was because of loans and grants from various international donors which fueled an economic boom (Including from India. How many of you know that India paid close to 125 tonnes of gold equivalent to Pakistan, so that Pakistan will sign the Indus water treaty?). They went from one "geostrategy" to another, CEATO, Afghanistan, 9/11 afghanistan again etc. Now there is no geostrategy left.

Except if China invades Taiwan. Pakistan will GUBO to Unkil, expect another 30 years of reprieve.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 28 Jan 2023 04:19

We paid 125 tonnes of gold and agreed to give 80% of water to them

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 28 Jan 2023 04:44

Very good points sir.

Anujan wrote:The reason I think Pakistan is finished for the near to medium term, is that they were never self sustaining. Their initial growth was because of loans and grants from various international donors which fueled an economic boom (Including from India. How many of you know that India paid close to 125 tonnes of gold equivalent to Pakistan, so that Pakistan will sign the Indus water treaty?).

Was this the treasury balance "due" to them at the time of partition, or something else?

India "paid" Pakistan by giving them large swathes of first class agricultural land vacated by Hindu and Sikh landowners and farmers. We also gave them a great irrigation system which was built with with Hindu/Sikh money, leadership and engineering skills under the British Raj. We gave them hard resources, they gave us refugees (who in turn became our resources). There was not a fair exchange of land in proportion to the population; all this was worsened when Bangladesh was created. That's why they can still reward generals with prime agricultural land and canal bank plots while our retired generals are living with dignity in flats.

hgupta · Post by **hgupta** » 28 Jan 2023 05:02

vijayk wrote:We paid 125 tonnes of gold and agreed to give 80% of water to them

That 125 tons of gold is only worth nearly $1.9 billion dollars if you were to use the 1948 value for gold and using 12.32 factor to get today's value whereas if you give the 125 tons of gold today, it would be worth $8.125 billion today.
So either way, Paki get screwed.

VKumar · Post by **VKumar** » 28 Jan 2023 05:16

Pakistan has one trick left- to offer its manpower/soldiers to Ukraine in return for alms. Sort of arms for alms barter.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 28 Jan 2023 05:18

Fellow Biraders, after brf discovering the future NSA of Pakistan ( the chap who wanted to make India sea locked)
I have discovered their future Finance Minister , this bugger runs a u tube channel called ‘Rich Pakistan’

He has a lots of ‘khayali pulao’ videos

https://youtube.com/@RichPakistan

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Jan 2023 06:47

yensoy wrote:Very good points sir.

Was this the treasury balance "due" to them at the time of partition, or something else?

This was not a balance due to them. This was the money India paid for Pakistan to ratify the Indus water treaty, as a compensation for the civil works they "lost" because of the treaty.

This was the basic problem. Pakistan wanted a IWT based on historical usage patterns. India wanted to start from a blank slate. Several rounds of talks happened, there was no progress. Finally the solution that was arrived at was what we have today. Partitioning the rivers.

At that point, Pakistan was irrigated using the eastern rivers (which now belonged to India). They demanded for, and got money to build headworks for irrigation from the western rivers, because they had "lost" the civil works to irrigate from the eastern rivers which was useless now. India gave them a 10 year transition period, and paid money to build canals and irrigation for Pakistan agricultural land from western rivers. India made the payments even during the 65 war. This was one of their conditions Pakistan had demanded to agree to the Indus Water Treaty. I wasnt alive at that time, so I do not know for sure if India "sold out" or whether this was a chunkiyan move to get some kind of resolution like France/Germany after WW2. Thats besides the point.

This is from the text of the Indus water treaty, read it carefully (Article 5)

Gold price was about 400 pounds per kilo, so 62,000,000 pounds = 150 tonnes.

To give an idea, Pakistan gold reserves are about 64 tonnes now.

The entire text of IWT is here: https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication ... nglish.pdf

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Jan 2023 07:29

yensoy wrote:
RoyG wrote:IMF vultures only circle the dying/dead.
Capture productive sectors and line your pockets instead of reinvesting the profits.
The end result of state capture by a military oligarchy.
That is not true. Don't forget we went to IMF too. They are a facility of last resort; many of these countries were driven to the brink by corrupt leadership, and the rot was already in place before they went to the IMF. A lender is going to look at monetizable assets - if these countries are unable to pay back by regular measures (taxation, targeted privatization, liberalization) then they have to sell their assets, often at lowball prices.

The problem is that generally small countries lack the skills, systems and discipline to negotiate with the lender. Bucking the trend is Pakistan, a large country with every opportunity to redeem itself, that falls in the same bucket as a tinpot dictatorship.

We were dying too.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Jan 2023 07:56

Anujan wrote:Basically the aim of IMF is to reduce social unrest.

They do not look at the good or the bad of the government or society, they just want stability. Stability is good, it keeps the countries around them stable. From that angle, they bail out countries to make sure that they do not get destroyed

Now IMF has a point of view on how to make countries self sustaining. I will not go into a critique of that, some ideas are good, some are bad.

One of the ideas that is good, is "If a country has structural issues, that is if sum total of expenditure is greater than sum total of income, and the deficit does not fuel growth, then they will eventually be in the Pakistan again". This I agree. Deficit spending is okay, if the growth makes up for the deficit (it is like borrowing to start a business, hopefully business is more profitable when compared to loan + interest at some point in the future). This is like a student loan.

Pakistan has deficit spending just to maintain their lifestyle. This is like your school friend who never got a job or a degree, drinks a lot, eats in fancy places and keeps borrowing money from you. You pay him, he is going to come back again asking for money with a different sob story next month.

The reason I think Pakistan is finished for the near to medium term, is that they were never self sustaining. Their initial growth was because of loans and grants from various international donors which fueled an economic boom (Including from India. How many of you know that India paid close to 125 tonnes of gold equivalent to Pakistan, so that Pakistan will sign the Indus water treaty?). They went from one "geostrategy" to another, CEATO, Afghanistan, 9/11 afghanistan again etc. Now there is no geostrategy left.

Except if China invades Taiwan. Pakistan will GUBO to Unkil, expect another 30 years of reprieve.

When an institution like the military engages in state capture it is not interested in the vitality of the state, only the money coming in. The result is the same everywhere - economic collapse. The revenue never gets reinvested into newer productive enterprises and the economy tanks.

The IMF won't give Pakistan stability. It's peanuts. What will happen is eventually forfeiture of collateral for loans including to IMF and fire sale of state owned assets including land.

The lending vultures are going to pick them clean. Add a big population, Islam, weapons, and narcotics and you have a toxic waste dump which will take 2 decades to recover if they somehow survive.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Jan 2023 08:34

To be fair, Bajwa identified correctly that the gap between Indian army and Pakistan army was the fact that Indian economy could support a larger and more modernized force. There was a speech somewhere where he was throwing the towel that the west cared only about money, sold arms to India and they did not care about stability and did not give weapons to Pakistan.

That was the reason that he wanted to pivot to "Geoeconomics". Not because he thought "well, we have nukes, Pakistan's borders are secured, it is clear we will not win Kashmir, might as well build a prosperous nation".

He probably thought "Well we cant buy all the arms and ammo India has, we need more plots. Time to get richer so we can do more Jihad"

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Jan 2023 08:37

Anujan wrote:To be fair, Bajwa identified correctly that the gap between Indian army and Pakistan army was the fact that Indian economy could support a larger and more modernized force. There was a speech somewhere where he was throwing the towel that the west cared only about money, sold arms to India and they did not care about stability and did not give weapons to Pakistan.

That was the reason that he wanted to pivot to "Geoeconomics". Not because he thought "well, we have nukes, Pakistan's borders are secured, it is clear we will not win Kashmir, might as well build a prosperous nation".

He probably thought "Well we cant buy all the arms and ammo India has, we need more plots. Time to get richer so we can do more Jihad"

Anujan ji,

you may like to update on bajwa doctrine 1 and bajwa doctrine 2.

They are quite revealing about what he wanted

if wishes were horses, beggars would ride, and of course, beggars can't be choosers, so he is out on his ass

Bajwa expounds on everything, but he has made one cause his singular mission, what I call the Bajwa Doctrine. That is in return for saving the Americans from Afghanistan, he is going to make every effort to get them to help him detach Kashmir from India. Now, this is a tall ask, but opportunities like this come once in the lifetime of a nation.

And even as he helps get the Americans out of Afghanistan, he’s going to do it in a calibrated manner. The Taliban, with his active support, is going to keep slaughtering innocent civilians, proving their potency to the Americans and telling them that they better leave as quickly as possible.

The Ghani government in Afghanistan, which hates Bajwa, is being seen as impotent and totally irrelevant to the Afghan end game. The Americans have accepted that. They don’t care about the fate of the Ghani government. They care only about their fate.

So as the screws are turned on the Americans to quit Afghanistan as quickly as possible, so too Bajwa expects that the Americans will turn the screws on India over Kashmir for his help in Afghanistan. No wonder the maverick Trump cooked up a theory that India’s leader, Modi, had asked him to mediate between India and Pakistan over Kashmir. Modi effectively called Trump a liar. Trump persisted in offering his services. The sagacious Modi ignored him.

Modi went one step further. He knew the game that Bajwa was up to. He knew that once the Americans quit Afghanistan, Bajwa would renew his jihad in Kashmir. The Americans might protest, but would not do anything, for Bajwa would have saved their skin in Afghanistan. So Modi revoked Indian Kashmir’s autonomy and reorganized the state. This infuriated Bajwa. His ability to do jihad in Kashmir had just got so much tougher.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 28 Jan 2023 09:30

Captions please

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 28 Jan 2023 13:19

^^^ Guess the correct number of Dollars you can get for these Paki Rupees. Winner gets a bag of atta!

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 28 Jan 2023 13:39

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Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 28 Jan 2023 13:40

Manish_P wrote:Captions please

Sale...Sale...Sale .... Colorful Toilet Papers On Sale......

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 28 Jan 2023 16:43

India which is multiple x of Pak in each and every domain doesn't speak casually of "detaching PoK from Pak" and these idiots want to "detach J&K from India". Thats what madrassa logic does to you.

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 28 Jan 2023 19:01

After reading and watching Paki think tanks, Pakis are ecstatic that India invited Pakis for SCO foreign Minister after threat from UAE to resolve Kashmir. They also thinks that India will hand over JK as per UAE dictate. Will Indian foreign ministry poke in Paki balloon?

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 28 Jan 2023 19:09

Bilawal recently called Modi butcher etc. He will be treated accordingly.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 28 Jan 2023 20:16

Manish_P wrote: Captions please

https://i.dawn.com/primary/2023/01/63d44ae12c160.gif

“Pakistani yesudas will sing your song for money”

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Jan 2023 20:44

Cyrano wrote:Bilawal recently called Modi butcher etc. He will be treated accordingly.

don't be too sure Cyrano ji

After all, he is benazir's son and thus paki royalty, and there is a whole bunch of lootyens press that is waiting to go ga ga over the fruit cake

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 28 Jan 2023 21:29

Sharing Hoodbhoy:
Why bash the elite?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 28 Jan 2023 21:35

chetak wrote:
Cyrano wrote:Bilawal recently called Modi butcher etc. He will be treated accordingly.
don't be too sure Cyrano ji

After all, he is benazir's son and thus paki royalty, and there is a whole bunch of lootyens press that is waiting to go ga ga over the fruit cake

Chetakji - Please listen about "Strategic patience: Krishna forgiving Shishupal several times - In Mahbharat' Explained by none other than India's EAM: Dr Jai Shankar...

Very worth listening to Bharat's Foreign Policy vis-a -vis Pak and Bilwal..
Strategic patience: Krishna forgiving Shishupal several times

(Watch: EAM Jaishankar explains diplomacy in Mahabharat terms:
-Greatest Diplomats: Shri Krishna, hanuman ji
-Kurukshetra: Multipolar India
-NAM: Balarama, Rukma
-Arun: Emotionally interdependent
-Strategic patience: Krishna forgiving Shishupal several times

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Jan 2023 22:50

Amber G. wrote:
chetak wrote:
don't be too sure Cyrano ji

After all, he is benazir's son and thus paki royalty, and there is a whole bunch of lootyens press that is waiting to go ga ga over the fruit cake
Chetakji - Please listen about "Strategic patience: Krishna forgiving Shishupal several times - In Mahbharat' Explained by none other than India's EAM: Dr Jai Shankar...

Very worth listening to Bharat's Foreign Policy vis-a -vis Pak and Bilwal..
Strategic patience: Krishna forgiving Shishupal several times

(Watch: EAM Jaishankar explains diplomacy in Mahabharat terms:
-Greatest Diplomats: Shri Krishna, hanuman ji
-Kurukshetra: Multipolar India
-NAM: Balarama, Rukma
-Arun: Emotionally interdependent
-Strategic patience: Krishna forgiving Shishupal several times

Strategic restraint (patience) is something you're forced to do if you can't deal with your problems properly.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Jan 2023 23:12

Amber G. wrote:
chetak wrote:
don't be too sure Cyrano ji

After all, he is benazir's son and thus paki royalty, and there is a whole bunch of lootyens press that is waiting to go ga ga over the fruit cake
Chetakji - Please listen about "Strategic patience: Krishna forgiving Shishupal several times - In Mahbharat' Explained by none other than India's EAM: Dr Jai Shankar...

Very worth listening to Bharat's Foreign Policy vis-a -vis Pak and Bilwal..
Strategic patience: Krishna forgiving Shishupal several times

(Watch: EAM Jaishankar explains diplomacy in Mahabharat terms:
-Greatest Diplomats: Shri Krishna, hanuman ji
-Kurukshetra: Multipolar India
-NAM: Balarama, Rukma
-Arun: Emotionally interdependent
-Strategic patience: Krishna forgiving Shishupal several times

Amber G साहिबा,

I was referring specifically to the woke press only

they are the ones who endlessly obsessed with hina rabani khar's birkin hand bag and her jimmy choo heels

the same lootyens media dumbos will obsess over attention seeking pappu bhutto who, BTW got some mundane recognition in his banal and ordinary life when "Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has been named the best dressed person in the Davos Summit".

Our diplomatic corps will undoubtedly, as a matter of routine protocol, accord all due respect and courtesies to the FM of another country. IIRC, there are international conventions dealing with this subject.

the sindhi mafia bhutto dynasty is the equivalent of the eyetalian mafia

there is nothing for us to forgive this poisonous anti India dynasty and their latest venomous avatar in pappu bhutto, and we are, in any case, not in the least obliged to do so

and also, our "strategic patience" with the pakis ran out a really long time ago, which is why they got no गंदुम or tomatoes from India.

pappu bhutto is very quietly bound to try and mobilize Indian public opinion using the lootyens/khan market gangs to get us to trade with the pakis through the wagah border.

He himself may not dare to publicly ask for such trade but he will slyly get other paki friendly countries to try and push India into agreeing to trade with the pakis...

Sadly for him, the eyetalian mafia is no longer in charge and the diplomatic stonewall of Modi may be a bridge too far for him to cross...

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 29 Jan 2023 00:50

chetak wrote:
Cyrano wrote:Bilawal recently called Modi butcher etc. He will be treated accordingly.
don't be too sure Cyrano ji
After all, he is benazir's son and thus paki royalty, and there is a whole bunch of lootyens press that is waiting to go ga ga over the fruit cake

Therefore, he should be treated as an exalted state guest and no effort spared to keep him secure and away from the unwashed masses of India. He can wave from a balcony before his meeting, and depart right afterwards.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 29 Jan 2023 01:58

I will pay more attention to EAM Dr. Jai Shankar than the woke/paki/media ...
Well worth to watch:
View on Terrristan and how to handle it..

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 29 Jan 2023 07:43

Shaktimaan wrote:I don't understand why we issued notice under Indus Waters Treaty today. The Pakis are eating themselves alive at the moment. Why give them a chance to unite against Evil Hindoo India? Bad timing IMHO.

All the hindu hatered works when the tummies are filled with biryanis and cheap petrol to drive around with slogans for long march. With kind of inflation going Abdul is worried to feed his ever growing family. This is perfect time to put pressure to get out of this unfair deal

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 29 Jan 2023 08:11

Was thinking aloud about why all of sudden Unkil has lost interest in bailing out Pakis. All these years Pakis played the strategic location card and Unkill thought that Russia's underbelly was via the stans which could be exploited via pakistan. Now looks like the underbelly moved to Ukraine so all of sudden Pakis went out of favor. Add rise of dragon and idea of giving India breathing space to tackle its northern border. Pakis offcourse added to oil to fire with their Afghan strategy which also much have contributed. Lets see how it plays out