Terroristan - March 31, 2022

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sanman wrote:
RoyG wrote: I would suggest you read my post again. There are two options.

Laughable that Imran Khan can threaten the Army. He survived this long for a reason.
Okay, but he was toppled by them, and has since been tolerated by them as a disgruntled ex-PM and opposition leader left out of an otherwise national unity govt.

One main thing Imran has had going for him, is the economic pain and suffering which Pak ruling establishment are unable to cure for the masses.

Throwing him out of power has allowed him to wipe his hands of the economic mismanagement he himself also participated in.

Now he's just a "man of the people."

Even if Pak Army fully crack down, I don't see how they can heal this rift. There's no longer any chance for Hadood Ordinances of the 80s under Zia.
They can't bury everything by doubling down on Islam this time.
When the bureaucracy is with you, anything can be healed. It's how the whole thing is managed. The army has two options, PDM or PTI. It has the luxury of siding with whoever gets the upper hand. It's now up to each to prove their worth. Masterstroke to get both to duke it out on the streets and leave the army out.
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Atmavik wrote:
sanman wrote:Watch it all, but take a look at comments @ 17:14


Have the Chinese green-lit the crackdown on Imran? Are they the ultimate arbiter and guarantor for Army?

It does not Add up , wasn’t Immy getting to close to China and away from US which was against what Bajwa wanted. Immy demonized Biden and had said in Beijing/Begging that he favors the Chinese‘Accountability model’ than western democracy ?
Yes, these guys are pulling things out of their ass. Don't understand the real game. This whole thing was a PR stunt from the beginning. They attacked some abandoned houses and compounds and wrecked some statues. Its a controlled demolition by army to puppeteer, deflect, and hide. They want to sit way farther in the background and pull the strings.
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Vips wrote:
sanman wrote:
Okay, but he was toppled by them, and has since been tolerated by them as a disgruntled ex-PM and opposition leader left out of an otherwise national unity govt.

One main thing Imran has had going for him, is the economic pain and suffering which Pak ruling establishment are unable to cure for the masses.

Throwing him out of power has allowed him to wipe his hands of the economic mismanagement he himself also participated in.

Now he's just a "man of the people."

Even if Pak Army fully crack down, I don't see how they can heal this rift. There's no longer any chance for Hadood Ordinances of the 80s under Zia.
They can't bury everything by doubling down on Islam this time.
Imran gained nothing except made the Establishment his mortal enemy.

If he now comes back to power he will have a bigger mess to face as Pakistan has dues of $73 billion maturing in the next 3 years. :rotfl:
Imran did what he was told. When he didn't he got literally slapped. He's not going to touch the one institution that can actually deliver, even if it's poorly. Especially when they let him live. If any civilian gov in dreamland actually manages to throw out the army who will protect them from these chtiya madrassa Abdul's? It helps to stay quiet and partake in the loot and create a business empire outside the country.
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https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/10705 ... r-10-years
‘Bushra Bibi will be arrested to humiliate me,’ alleges Imran Khan
PTI chief claims coalition govt by using some sedition law will keep him inside for next ten years
Web Desk, May 15, 2023

As Pakistan Democratic Movement-led government gears up to kick start its sit-in from today (Monday) to press Chief Justice of Pakistan Umar Ata Bandial to resign, the former prime minister Imran Khan revealed the details of an alleged London plan — which, according to him, has been devised to keep him out of the politics to delay and rig elections.

“Using the pretext of violence while I was inside the jail, they have assumed the role of judge, jury and executioner,” he said, claiming that the plan now was to humiliate him by putting “Bushra begum in jail, and using some sedition law to keep me inside for next ten years,” Khan wrote in a Twitter thread jotting down assumptions he has made regarding the government’s next plan of action.
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They are playing with fire. Once Pinky Peerni unleashes the Djinns.....
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^^^ then pakis energy crisis will be solved if u know what I mean
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Dafaq is that white burqa on top of the black one? :rotfl:

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https://www.dawn.com/news/1753597
A state in chaos
Dr Niaz Murtaza, May 16, 2023

WITH Pakistanis in a ride combining a super-fast roller coaster and a merry-go-round, one cannot resist asking how this cursed nation ended up here. It has faced massive problems since 1947. But the last one year has been very bad given the number of challenges, their intensity and duration.
More bleakly, for the first time no one seems in control during a period when stability is especially needed. Instead, there is chaos under the heavens. The iron fist that long imposed an unhealthy order is losing its grip and seems paralysed. A unipolar system has suddenly become a multipolar one, with many stakeholders pulling it in various directions.
The main stakeholder, which is also a stick holder, is unable to wield the stick to impose order as it did earlier.
The self-imposed umpire has never been this weak since 1971, when it presided over the loss of a wing and lost control for five years. That loss came suddenly; this one came slowly.
The start came with the end of cosy ties with the US that provided money, arms and political support for imposing autocracy. China will not step in to fill the void. Ties with once pet extremists are now tense. Jihadists that were tools to subjugate and indoctrinate society had to be leashed given FATF issues.
But the biggest loss has come from the stormy tiff with the political sidekick expected to serve as a weak façade in a hybrid system. The break followed Imran Khan’s incompetence, maverick acts and desire for autonomy. It has forced the umpire to go back to the PPP and PML-N whom it doesn’t like or trust either.
It has also caused the loss of countless loyal TV anchors and social media trolls that once spread its narrative but who have now gone with Khan. Most crucially, it has lost its narrative to Khan who presents himself as even more anti-US, anti-India and religious.
Autocratic forces control society through a mix of economic carrots and hegemony where people willingly buy its narrative. This reduces the resort to expensive inducements and brute violence to control society. Thus, the loss of narrative to Khan increases transaction costs for the establishment in imposing its will.
Finally, the judiciary is also acting aloof and there are rumours of internal rifts within the umpire’s ranks. Resultantly, tactics that always delivered in taming past pesky politicians are failing against Khan; these include audio and video leaks, legal cases, horse-trading, intimidation, jail visits and forced exile.
But nature abhors a vacuum and chaos; so order will soon emerge. Some naively think this chaos reflects the end of an elite system and a better one will emerge. However, that only happens where better forces are strong enough to take over, and no such forces presently exist in Pakistan.
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Fatty Fawad Chowdhry nearly broke the sound barrier, when he spotted the cops coming for him



:rotfl:

Tom & Jerry: Pakistan Edition
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Some gentle soul from BRF writing in the Dawn now?!
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People paying last respects to the Flatscreen TV and Furniture that was Shaheed in Peacock Jernail's house. Slick ISPR production




Mujahid at the 1:50 mark blames “Hindu zehniyat ke log” for the arson.

I think he is an Ahmedi cleverly trying to hide the Ahmedi conspiracy against Kaptaan and the Army.
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defence.pk is a great place to have fun and troll. Some precautions if you are posting from India.
- Use a VPN with location in some country where Pakis hang out. Make a e-mail ID on that basis.
- Have a Muslim sounding ID.
- Don't write full paras in grammatically correct English. Admin will identify you as an Indian troll.
- Throw in Urdu phrases. Poor Urdu and understandable English makes you a Non resident Pak. Better still, quote from the Koran, or say
something like `how can CJP be the judge, only Allah is the judge...'.
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sanman wrote:.. youtube...
Dear God, that looks like the trailer for a ramsay horror flick from the nineties...

Actually fitting... since at present the pakis are where we were those 3 decades ago.
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Deans wrote:defence.pk is a great place to have fun and troll.
Let me take the liberty of sharing a humble 'tribute' to defence.pk from Jan last year :rotfl:
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Deans wrote:defence.pk is a great place to have fun and troll...'.
:lol:

You, sir, and other brf maulaners who bravely cross the border to raid pee-aar-eff have my full admiration.

How you can stay there beyond 2 minutes is beyond me.

Good luck to you on your future surgical strikes!
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Deans wrote:
- Don't write full paras in grammatically correct English. Admin will identify you as an Indian troll.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

The admin seems to be trained in counter intel :evil:

I am reminded of Sourav Ganguly's thug moment during the last Cricket world cup in England.. Ind Vs Pak

Interviewer: "We have a full house.. but it seems overwhelmingly blue"
Ganguly: "Tickets must be expensive"

:rotfl:
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kancha wrote:
Deans wrote:defence.pk is a great place to have fun and troll.
Let me take the liberty of sharing a humble 'tribute' to defence.pk from Jan last year :rotfl:
Link
The idea of using opium is not new. This was proposed to Nawaz Sharif when there was sanctions due to nuclear test.
In early 1991, soon after the US invoked the sanctions under the Pressler Amendment, ‘Pakistan’s army chief and the head of its intelligence agency proposed a detailed “blueprint” for selling heroin to pay for the country’s covert military operations.’ The proposal was revealed by none other than the then prime minister Nawaz Sharif. In an interview to the Washington Post, Sharif claimed that three months after his election as prime minister in November 1990, Gen. Aslam Beg, the then army chief of staff, and Lt Gen. Asad Durrani, then head of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), had told him that ‘large-scale drug deals’ could help pay for the money needed by the armed forces for national security–related covert foreign operations. Sharif claimed he stopped the two generals’ ‘blueprint’ from going into effect.
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Chairman PTI Imran Khan’s Exclusive Interview with Channel 4

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Deans wrote:defence.pk is a great place to have fun and troll. Some precautions if you are posting from India.

- Don't write full paras in grammatically correct English. Admin will identify you as an Indian troll.
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:rotfl:

@Deans plz do post some gems . I can visit that site without puking
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Deans wrote: or say something like `how can CJP be the judge, only Allah is the judge...'.
:rotfl: Hilarious line, but of course this was meant literally, and in complete seriousness.... :lol:
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India being big brother should use large heart to give up Cashmere, 100B$ to Pakistan to shore up foreign reserves, disband its army to make Pakistani jernails more secure to make sure Pakistan is strong and stable

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65606770

Pakistan is on the edge. Should India be worried?
But what should worry New Delhi is a situation that falls between the two extremes, say experts. That is one in "which Pakistan, distracted and overwhelmed by internal issues, lacks the bandwidth to keep a lid on any type of cross-border risk", says Mr Kugelman....It is true, as Mr Haqqani says, that it is not "in Indian interests to have a nuclear-armed neighbour in the throes of economic instability and political chaos"...
Or as N^3 used to say
Give peace a chance. Destroy Pakistan.
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Call me skeptical.

If Pakistan was in fact nuclear armed, we'd see at least some threats issued against China since they control so much of the debt.

Is there a convoy of people trying to cross over into China via the China-Pakistan Friendship Highway?
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They released that Mazari woman. I have lost all faith in Pak security forces.
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Deans wrote:They released that Mazari woman. I have lost all faith in Pak security forces.
Thank you, for being mindful of the BP of us forumites, by not posting the photo of the abominable blob.

Edit - As per reports the abominable blob has been 'abducted' again by the pakjabi police. Looks like the finally managed to make a sound-proof jail cell.
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Anujan wrote:India being big brother should use large heart to give up Cashmere, 100B$ to Pakistan to shore up foreign reserves, disband its army to make Pakistani jernails more secure to make sure Pakistan is strong and stable
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While at it, big unkil America should also contribute- say about $18 billion

Yawn - $18 bn penalty feared if Pakistan doesn’t complete Iran gas project
The Public Accounts Committee expressed concern on Wednesday that Pakistan would have to pay a staggering amount of $18 billion in penalty if the country did not go ahead with the Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline project.

The US should pay the penalty if it does not approve of Pakistan and Iran going ahead with the gas pipeline project. The USA will have to do away with double standards — being lenient with India in meeting its energy needs while punishing Pakistan for the same,” said Public Accounts Committee (PAC) Chairman Noor Alam Khan.
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Kapshuns pls

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Manish_P wrote:Kapshuns pls

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Gustakhi ki ek saja
Sar tan se juda, sar tan se juda
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WA forward


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WARNING TO THE OLDER BRF MEMBERS, CONTAINS A PICTURE OF OUR VERY OWN JELIBI MADAM, THIS MIGHT CAUSE A HEART ATTACK. OPEN AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!
https://www.dawn.com/news/1753984
PTI leaders arrested again despite securing bails
Munawer Azeem, May 18, 2023

ISLAMABAD: Punjab police on Wednesday detained PTI leader Ali Mohammad Khan from Jhelum, Maleeka Bokhari from Rawalpindi and Dr Shireen Mazari from her house in the capital after they were released from custody on court orders.
Dr Mazari was detained by a contingent of the police from her residence at about 10pm after she was granted bail by the Islamabad High Court that had barred authorities from arresting her, according to her daughter.
However, she was detained in spite of court orders. It may be noted here that Dr Mazari was detained by the Islamabad police on Tuesday night after she was granted bail by a court.
The police officials said Dr Mazari along with Senator Falak Naz were arrested on May 10 and 12, respectively, by the Secretariat police under 3MPO. After they secured their freedom from Adiala jail on Tuesday, both were arrested by the Tarnol police from outside the jail in connection with a case (FIR No. 272) registered with the police over the attack on the Tarnol police station by PTI supporters.
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https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/10715 ... -after-2pm
Police likely to launch ‘grand operation’ at Zaman Park as 24-hour ultimatum ends
All roads leading towards Zaman Park have been blocked and a heavy contingent of law enforcement is in the area
Ahmed Faraz, May 18, 2023

Punjab Police are likely to launch a “grand crackdown” at Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan’s Zaman Park residence in Lahore to arrest “30-40 terrorists involved in May 9 riots allegedly hiding there, Geo News reported citing sources.
A day earlier, Punjab Interim Information Minister Amir Mir gave PTI chief a 24-hour deadline to handover "30-40 terrorists hiding in Zaman Park".
As the deadline expires, the police revealed that all roads leading towards Zaman Park have been blocked and a heavy contingent of law enforcement is in the area; as the authorities — according to the sources — may launch a "grand operation" after the deadline ends.
The sources shared that the inspector general of Punjab police and the capital city police officer (CCPO) have asked the police to remain "vigilant".
On Wednesday, while addressing a press conference, Mir claimed that almost "30-40 terrorists involved in May 9 vandalism have taken refuge" at the former prime minister's residence in Lahore.
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I am also seeing reports that say that many are resigning from Dims party.
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An unstable Pakistan is a danger to the world, A stable Pakistan is a danger to India only. // Maj. Gautam Arya
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This is a very crucial moment in Pakistan and it is worth discussing its implications for India

If Pakistan becomes unstable, there is a danger that they might lose control of their terror organizations who might conduct spectacular cross border attacks on India.

On the other hand, if Pakistan becomes stable, it might embolden them to conduct spectacular cross border attacks on India to force India to the negotiating table.

And finally, if Pakistan is neither stable nor unstable, civilian-army tussle might embolden them to seek upper hand by conducting spectacular cross border attacks on India.

As analysts in this forums have pointed out. Radical Pakistanis want to conduct spectacular cross border attacks on India whereas on the other hand, moderate Pakistanis want the Radical Pakistanis to conduct spectacular cross border attacks on India. Complicating this further, there are some Pakistanis who are not moderate but also not particularly religious or radicalized but still conduct spectacular cross border attacks on India for money and other reasons.

This matrix of Stable-Unstable-Partially stable on one hand, and Radicalized-Moderate-Not Radicalized but still a terrorist has to be carefully studied in Pakistan context.

I have tried to capture this strategic cost-benefit-behavior decision possibility matrix in this picture.

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I think western analysts should analyze more and write more articles about this
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Manish_P wrote:Kapshuns pls

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Fitting tribute to Capt Karnal Sher Khan!!

As you probably know Capt Karnal Sher Khan fought in Kargil was killed by Indian soldiers and Pakistan refused to take his body back. Indian Army Brigadier Bajwa wrote him a commendation letter to govt of Pakistan who then awarded him Nishan-e-Haider.

It is a fitting tribute that ordinary Pakistani citizens are vandalizing his statue in the glorious tradition of Pakistan army who showed the way and refused to take his body back or acknowledge that he was Pakistani. Pakistan army should join in and deny that this statue was that of a Pakistani soldier.

The idiot in this whole tamasha is Capt Karnal Sher Khan who chose to die in a frozen battlefield for an army and a country who does not give one sh1t about his death, his mortal remains, his memory or his statue.
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From the complexion, looks like he was from the Northern Flight Infantry.
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Anujan wrote:This is a very crucial moment in Pakistan and it is worth discussing its implications for India
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I have tried to capture this strategic cost-benefit-behavior decision possibility matrix in this picture.

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I think western analysts should analyze more and write more articles about this
Spectacular :)
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Anujan wrote:...

The idiot in this whole tamasha is Capt Karnal Sher Khan who chose to die in a frozen battlefield for an army and a country who does not give one sh1t about his death, his mortal remains, his memory or his statue.
As per an update yesterday, the uniformed Jihadis who are the Pakistani Army, got the junior uniformed jihadis, the Pakistani police, to arrest the non-uniformed jihadi Abdul shown in the photo grabbing the mettalic testimonials of the statue.

They were not bothered until an Indian vet, Major Gaurav Arya, pulled down the shalwars of the uniformed ones publicly on social media.

PS: isn't Abdul in the photo being 72% sharia compliant? As statues are haraam in Islam.

Does that not mean the jernails who ordered his arrest are wajib-al-katl for blasphemy?

BTW do not know the status of the other abdul who kidnapped the jernails peacock... is peacock halal?
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Unkil should launch an operation enduring fartdom and put boots on the ground in TSP. Oh.. TFTAs will be salivating thinking about the khayali gravy train in such a scenario.
66 US lawmakers urge Blinken to push for ‘democracy’ in Pakistan
WASHINGTON: As many as 66 US lawmakers have urged Secretary of State Antony Blinken to push for democracy and human rights in Pakistan, although the Biden administration is still reluctant to take sides in the current political dispute.

“We write to express our concerns about the current situation in Pakistan and urge you to use all diplomatic tools at your disposal to pressure the government of Pakistan towards a greater commitment to democracy, human rights, and the rule of law,” the lawmakers wrote in a letter they sent to Secretary Blinken.

The lawmakers also urged Blinken to persuade Islamabad to “investigate any infringement upon freedom of speech and freedom of assembly in Pakistan”.
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