Terroristan - March 31, 2022

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https://twitter.com/dexiewrites/status/ ... 9462845440

Immy taking on DG ISPR. this is not going to end well for him.
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Someone explain to me -- when Nawaz Sharif himself came into such bitter confrontation with the Army, then why is Nawaz not currently speaking up in support of Imran Khan? Is it due to mere political rivalry? Or is it that Nawaz has been totally sidelined by Shehbaz Sharif's ascent to PM? Even from sidelines, Nawaz should be willing to speak up. Now is not the time for Nawaz to remain silent. When many voices speak together, especially at the right moment, then it can have greater effect.
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Why would the American Left have much sympathy for Imran Khan, after stuff like this?
https://indianexpress.com/article/pakis ... y-7898421/
> Imran Khan blames Biden administration toppling his government through conspiracy

The Dr Rebecca Grant of IRIS Research on Fox News, that Imran Khan quotes, is not leftist.
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RAW's deep embedded mole has succeeded in convincing Pakistanis he is one of their own, now the sleeper agent has been activated :rotfl:

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sanman wrote:Someone explain to me -- when Nawaz Sharif himself came into such bitter confrontation with the Army, then why is Nawaz not currently speaking up in support of Imran Khan? Is it due to mere political rivalry? Or is it that Nawaz has been totally sidelined by Shehbaz Sharif's ascent to PM? Even from sidelines, Nawaz should be willing to speak up. Now is not the time for Nawaz to remain silent. When many voices speak together, especially at the right moment, then it can have greater effect.

Nawaz is the bad cop and showbaz the good cop. Nawaz’s outburst against the Army was to put pressure on them to give him relief during his cases . As the boys reverted back to the sharifs there is no more value in attacking them.

Immy has made it clear that he is not against the Army but a few who r heading it. He may have considerable support in the rank and file of the army. This is also a pressure tactic to make the boys switch back to him. But I think he has overplayed his hand. Now Munir risks being pappu if he lets this act go unpunished… interesting times ahead
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Atmavik wrote:Nawaz is the bad cop and showbaz the good cop. Nawaz’s outburst against the Army was to put pressure on them to give him relief during his cases . As the boys reverted back to the sharifs there is no more value in attacking them.

Immy has made it clear that he is not against the Army but a few who r heading it. He may have considerable support in the rank and file of the army. This is also a pressure tactic to make the boys switch back to him. But I think he has overplayed his hand. Now Munir risks being pappu if he lets this act go unpunished… interesting times ahead
So does that mean Imran's current campaign against Army leadership is also a similar game, where he merely wants relief from cases against him, and will become more conciliatory once the relief from legal cases is provided?
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we should pay off some khalistani to attack the moron IK hurting him badly. :rotfl:
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sanman wrote:Someone explain to me -- when Nawaz Sharif himself came into such bitter confrontation with the Army, then why is Nawaz not currently speaking up in support of Imran Khan? Is it due to mere political rivalry? Or is it that Nawaz has been totally sidelined by Shehbaz Sharif's ascent to PM? Even from sidelines, Nawaz should be willing to speak up. Now is not the time for Nawaz to remain silent. When many voices speak together, especially at the right moment, then it can have greater effect.
This is badmash's poster after Zia died

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Guess who formed Nawaz Sharif's party?

It is a grad tradition of Pakistani politics that

a) Army forms a political party
b) PM tries to rule the country, is unable to, because Army keeps interfering. It could be something like Amreeka wants their help against Taliban, army does not allow them to. Or they want to spend less money on defense and Army is against it, or they try to encourage some business that Army wants to swallow up.
c) PM picks up a fight with Army
d) Army reaches out to turncoats, tries to form another party
e) PM picks up a bigger fight, maybe tries to meddle with COAS selection
f) Army gets rid of the PM and gets someone else elected
g) Repeat

They did that with Nawaz Sharif. Then fell out with Nawaz Sharif, mushy did a Coop. Then Army got cozy with PPP. Then fell out with PPP, then Nawaz came back. Army fell out with Nawaz, disqualified him made Kaptaan. Then they got fed up with Kaptaan and got Nawaz + Ten percenti back. Now Kaptaan is creating big problems for the army

What is Badmash supposed to do now?

a) Pick up a fight with the army, stand with Kaptaan, Kaptaan wins elections, Jails Nawaz again. Remember that Kaptaan is not against the army, he is just against Army's decision to not support him.
b) Stay with the army, get his cases forgiven, finish his exile in Londonistan, maybe even win elections and become PM.
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Police commissioner of Islamabad says people responsible for May 9th riots will be brought to book - https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/107021 ... -book-coas
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partha wrote:Police commissioner of Islamabad says people responsible for May 9th riots will be brought to book - https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/107021 ... -book-coas
Which book? The aasmani kitab??
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chetak wrote:he adopted a soft approach to avoid being lynched or worse, because the jehadis are very partial, from times immemorial, to using rape as a cultural technique to subdue and humiliate opponents

the beedis will confirm this
being a Lt.Gen of pakistan army, he would have had an entire arsenal of arms and ammo at his house. These dudes were holding only sticks and maybe some concealed small bore arms. Not enough to even get close to him if he does not wish so.

QRT, MI teams that dot every 100 metres in the contonments in Pakistan were absent/stood aside during that day. SM reports that no civilian can even park his car in cantonment areas or vicinity of cantonment areas for 5 secs without someone coming and asking them to move on.
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habal wrote:
chetak wrote:he adopted a soft approach to avoid being lynched or worse, because the jehadis are very partial, from times immemorial, to using rape as a cultural technique to subdue and humiliate opponents

the beedis will confirm this
being a Lt.Gen of pakistan army, he would have had an entire arsenal of arms and ammo at his house. These dudes were holding only sticks and maybe some concealed small bore arms. Not enough to even get close to him if he does not wish so.

QRT, MI teams that dot every 100 metres in the contonments in Pakistan were absent/stood aside during that day. SM reports that no civilian can even park his car in cantonment areas or vicinity of cantonment areas for 5 secs without someone coming and asking them to move on.
what you say may all be very true indeed, but....

In the situation that he found himself in, with the mobs already in his house, if he had been so foolish to precipitate any confrontation, they mob would have first had a go at him. He may or may not have survived.

The consequences for the guilty would have invariably followed, but it would also have come later and by then, it would not have mattered to a dead or a badly maimed jernail
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reports are that they came to kill him on orders of asim munir, who would then use that as a pretext to crack down on PTI. He was a dissident in corps commanders who refused to provide army forces during arrest of kaptaan at zaman park, lahore and he also refused to use force against PTI workers on various other ocassions. He is also related to Justice Bandial who is pro-Imran and also his neighbour.
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If the report has an iota of truth. He would have been dead by now.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ome-arrest
‘Pakistan’s democracy hangs by a thread,’ says Imran Khan on return home after arrest
Former prime minister steps up attacks on country’s military leaders as ministers plan to rearrest him
Shah Meer Baloch in Lahore and Hannah Ellis-Petersen in Delhi, 13 May 2023

The crowds gathered peacefully, jostling outside the home of the man they call the “saviour of Pakistan”, hoping for a glimpse. Two days earlier, these same streets in the city of Lahore had resembled a warzone as tens of thousands of protesters violently took to the streets, ransacking buildings, burning cars, throwing petrol bombs and clashing with police, with several dying from gunshot wounds.
On Saturday, however, there was calm. Late the previous night, former prime minister Imran Khan had finally returned to his home, following some of the most tumultuous days in the country’s recent history that saw him arrested on Islamabad high court premises by 100 paramilitary officers. He was detained for two days but then, to the surprise of many observers, was granted bail and allowed to walk free after his arrest was declared illegal by Pakistan’s supreme court. With Khan released, the violence eased.
The devotion felt towards 70-year-old Khan was evident in the hundreds gathered at his gate. “Khan is the only leader for Pakistan,” said Shaf Ali, 23, an IT worker. “We will protest for Khan again as he is the only hope in Pakistan and he is fighting for us.”
Aftab Ahmed, 18, called herself “Khan’s soldier” before adding: “They have to kill us before arresting Khan again.”
Now free again, at least for the time being, Khan has vowed mass protests on a scale never seen before in Pakistan until general elections, due in October, are called early. If they happen, and Khan is allowed to enter the contest, the consensus is that he would gain an overwhelming victory. The government, meanwhile, has pledged to re-arrest Khan as soon as legally able, indicating that Pakistan’s volatile days are likely far from over.
“Today, our democracy is hanging by a thread,” said Khan in his first public address since his release, describing those who had gone after him as a “mafia”. His speech was not aired on television.
He also stepped up his crusade against Pakistan’s military, who for decades have controlled politics, through coups or backdoor influence, but whom few have ever dared directly criticise for fear of being imprisoned, abducted or killed with impunity. Khan blamed the armed forces chief Asim Munir for ordering his arrest and accused him of being above the rule of law.
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Anujan wrote: What is Badmash supposed to do now?

a) Pick up a fight with the army, stand with Kaptaan, Kaptaan wins elections, Jails Nawaz again. Remember that Kaptaan is not against the army, he is just against Army's decision to not support him.
b) Stay with the army, get his cases forgiven, finish his exile in Londonistan, maybe even win elections and become PM.

So Army-vs-Imran fight has then potentially given Nawaz a new lease on life, and more political leverage. So if Nawaz stays silent, and through his surrogates like daughter Maryam and brother Shehbaz, helps Army quash Imran, then Nawaz has a better chance of resuming a more normal life.

Meanwhile, you say that Imran is not against Army, just against current top leadership of army, perhaps.

Imran is trying to split the army, since that is his best hope. I'd imagine that Nawaz wouldn't mind a split army either, if Imran can accomplish it.

But what opportunity exists to split the army? Along what lines?
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vijayk wrote:we should pay off some khalistani to attack the moron IK hurting him badly. :rotfl:
Why Saar? We want him to be in his best of his health and fitness. He is our best hope for Pakistan.
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CalvinH wrote:
vijayk wrote:we should pay off some khalistani to attack the moron IK hurting him badly. :rotfl:
Why Saar? We want him to be in his best of his health and fitness. He is our best hope for Pakistan.
He need to be alive but attacked. Then all the Imran's crazies will let it loose on the Army
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sanman wrote:
Couptaji worried over Imran Khan destroying Paki army and western support to the terrorist nation :roll:
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sanman wrote:
Anujan wrote: What is Badmash supposed to do now?

a) Pick up a fight with the army, stand with Kaptaan, Kaptaan wins elections, Jails Nawaz again. Remember that Kaptaan is not against the army, he is just against Army's decision to not support him.
b) Stay with the army, get his cases forgiven, finish his exile in Londonistan, maybe even win elections and become PM.

So Army-vs-Imran fight has then potentially given Nawaz a new lease on life, and more political leverage. So if Nawaz stays silent, and through his surrogates like daughter Maryam and brother Shehbaz, helps Army quash Imran, then Nawaz has a better chance of resuming a more normal life.

Meanwhile, you say that Imran is not against Army, just against current top leadership of army, perhaps.

Imran is trying to split the army, since that is his best hope. I'd imagine that Nawaz wouldn't mind a split army either, if Imran can accomplish it.

But what opportunity exists to split the army? Along what lines?
sanman wrote:
Anujan wrote: What is Badmash supposed to do now?

a) Pick up a fight with the army, stand with Kaptaan, Kaptaan wins elections, Jails Nawaz again. Remember that Kaptaan is not against the army, he is just against Army's decision to not support him.
b) Stay with the army, get his cases forgiven, finish his exile in Londonistan, maybe even win elections and become PM.

So Army-vs-Imran fight has then potentially given Nawaz a new lease on life, and more political leverage. So if Nawaz stays silent, and through his surrogates like daughter Maryam and brother Shehbaz, helps Army quash Imran, then Nawaz has a better chance of resuming a more normal life.

Meanwhile, you say that Imran is not against Army, just against current top leadership of army, perhaps.

Imran is trying to split the army, since that is his best hope. I'd imagine that Nawaz wouldn't mind a split army either, if Imran can accomplish it.

But what opportunity exists to split the army? Along what lines?
The PA shares many similarities with Mughals. There was infighting but they never split. It's not possible to split such a regimented institution. There can be no winner if such a thing happened and all the factions know this.

Instead there are two scenarios which can happen:

1) The Army will keep staging these kinds of mass protests until the movement itself loses steam. We saw something similar when goi bumped off baba Ramdev for Anna hazare and then AK and then and it became agitation after agitation until the movement disintegrated. Along the way they agreed to lokpal bill which was cosmetic. Nothing changed. However with this option the PDM will still be in driver seat and the Army will keep taking flak.

2) The army will give IK opportunity. He will be presented as the messiah of the new medina. The army will force some leadership into early retirement with good severance package. Cosmetic reforms will be put into place and the army will actually hide even more in the background. They could do something like make it more answerable to their civilian gov but they will do some kind of background changes to make its influence even more pervasive. These could be like upping the quota for army in the central superior service and elite administrative service. They will remain as custodians of nuclear weapons and keep firm grip over ISI. If there is more power given to IB or some other new org they will make sure to clip it by putting their own pick to oversee it.
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RoyG wrote:So Army-vs-Imran fight has then potentially given Nawaz a new lease on life, and more political leverage. So if Nawaz stays silent, and through his surrogates like daughter Maryam and brother Shehbaz, helps Army quash Imran, then Nawaz has a better chance of resuming a more normal life.

Meanwhile, you say that Imran is not against Army, just against current top leadership of army, perhaps.

Imran is trying to split the army, since that is his best hope. I'd imagine that Nawaz wouldn't mind a split army either, if Imran can accomplish it.

But what opportunity exists to split the army? Along what lines?
The PA shares many similarities with Mughals. There was infighting but they never split. It's not possible to split such a regimented institution. There can be no winner if such a thing happened and all the factions know this.

Instead there are two scenarios which can happen:

1) The Army will keep staging these kinds of mass protests until the movement itself loses steam. We saw something similar when goi bumped off baba Ramdev for Anna hazare and then AK and then and it became agitation after agitation until the movement disintegrated. Along the way they agreed to lokpal bill which was cosmetic. Nothing changed. However with this option the PDM will still be in driver seat and the Army will keep taking flak.

2) The army will give IK opportunity. He will be presented as the messiah of the new medina. The army will force some leadership into early retirement with good severance package. Cosmetic reforms will be put into place and the army will actually hide even more in the background. They could do something like make it more answerable to their civilian gov but they will do some kind of background changes to make its influence even more pervasive. These could be like upping the quota for army in the central superior service and elite administrative service. They will remain as custodians of nuclear weapons and keep firm grip over ISI. If there is more power given to IB or some other new org they will make sure to clip it by putting their own pick to oversee it.[/quote]


Your post seems to be upside down. Imran Khan is not the army's newest gimmick to extricate them from their current predicament.
Imran Khan is the one who is threatening to topple the army. He is the one whose supporters are launching the anti-army protests.

I would encourage you to check out some recent news programs. They will explain the situation in more detail.
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RoyG wrote:The PA shares many similarities with Mughals. There was infighting but they never split. It's not possible to split such a regimented institution. There can be no winner if such a thing happened and all the factions know this.

Instead there are two scenarios which can happen:

1) The Army will keep staging these kinds of mass protests until the movement itself loses steam. We saw something similar when goi bumped off baba Ramdev for Anna hazare and then AK and then and it became agitation after agitation until the movement disintegrated. Along the way they agreed to lokpal bill which was cosmetic. Nothing changed. However with this option the PDM will still be in driver seat and the Army will keep taking flak.

2) The army will give IK opportunity. He will be presented as the messiah of the new medina. The army will force some leadership into early retirement with good severance package. Cosmetic reforms will be put into place and the army will actually hide even more in the background. They could do something like make it more answerable to their civilian gov but they will do some kind of background changes to make its influence even more pervasive. These could be like upping the quota for army in the central superior service and elite administrative service. They will remain as custodians of nuclear weapons and keep firm grip over ISI. If there is more power given to IB or some other new org they will make sure to clip it by putting their own pick to oversee it.

Your post seems to be upside down. Imran Khan is not the army's newest gimmick to extricate them from their current predicament.
Imran Khan is the one who is threatening to topple the army. He is the one whose supporters are launching the anti-army protests.

I would encourage you to check out some recent news programs. They will explain the situation in more detail.

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10,000 JUI-F volunteers to ensure security of Islamabad sit-in
PESHAWAR/BAJAUR: Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) has asked its workers to move towards Islamabad in convoys from their respective areas on Monday morning to take part in the sit-in outside Supreme Court, announced by Pakistan Democratic Movement.

The workers of JUI-F will gather in their respective areas on Monday morning and will proceed towards Hakla Interchange on Peshawar-Islamabad Motorway from where they will jointly move towards their destination.

JUI-F provincial spokesperson Haji Jalil Jan told Dawn that the workers from across the province would use different routes to reach Hakla Interchange.
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^^ Seems like free for all in pakland. everyone and their mother is trying to cash in and get closer to the throne.
Economy and lack to reserves is a distant after thought.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... n-military
Imran Khan accuses Pakistan’s military of ordering his arrest
Exclusive: former PM claims after release from custody that army chief has ‘personal grudge’ and is behind crackdown on party
Shah Meer Baloch in Lahore and Hannah Ellis-Petersen in Delhi, Sun 14 May 2023

Pakistan’s former prime minister Imran Khan has escalated his criticism of the country’s powerful military, accusing the head of the army of harbouring a “personal grudge” against him and ordering his arrest and a crackdown on his party.
“It is personal. It’s got nothing to do with national interest,” Khan told the Guardian in an interview at his home in Lahore, after a dramatic week in which he was arrested at Islamabad’s high court by almost 100 paramilitary officers on Tuesday and held in police custody, in connection with a land corruption case.
“Without any doubt, the military is behind my arrest,” he said. “Pakistan is now being run by the army chief. The crackdown on us is by the army chief.”
Arrests of political rivals are nothing new in Pakistan – when Khan was prime minister, several senior opposition leaders were jailed, some for more than a year – but such anti-military rhetoric is unprecedented in Pakistan’s politics, where the army has long been seen as the country’s kingmaker and exerts enormous power.
Khan was released from police custody on Friday evening, after supreme court judges ruled that his arrest was “illegal and invalid” and the high court granted him bail.
Known for his populist politics and firebrand speeches, Khan, 70, fell out spectacularly with his former military allies after he accused them of orchestrating his removal from power in April last year. He has since accused them of two attempts on his life.
Khan alleged his arrest, and that of seven senior members of his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party, was symptomatic of the unrivalled power wielded by the military.
“The military is above law; the ISI [military intelligence agency] is above law,” said Khan. “And if you have anyone above the law, then you descend into the law of the jungle. They can pick up people, detain people, disappear people. They try and influence judges; they clamp down on the media. There’s no accountability for the institution. It’s not democratic.”
The military has taken control of Pakistan in three separate coups since independence and have maintained an iron grip on politics during civilian governments.
Former politicians who have attempted to go up against the military using less stringent language have found themselves toppled, arrested, exiled or assassinated.
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sanman wrote:
RoyG wrote:The PA shares many similarities with Mughals. There was infighting but they never split. It's not possible to split such a regimented institution. There can be no winner if such a thing happened and all the factions know this.

Instead there are two scenarios which can happen:

1) The Army will keep staging these kinds of mass protests until the movement itself loses steam. We saw something similar when goi bumped off baba Ramdev for Anna hazare and then AK and then and it became agitation after agitation until the movement disintegrated. Along the way they agreed to lokpal bill which was cosmetic. Nothing changed. However with this option the PDM will still be in driver seat and the Army will keep taking flak.

2) The army will give IK opportunity. He will be presented as the messiah of the new medina. The army will force some leadership into early retirement with good severance package. Cosmetic reforms will be put into place and the army will actually hide even more in the background. They could do something like make it more answerable to their civilian gov but they will do some kind of background changes to make its influence even more pervasive. These could be like upping the quota for army in the central superior service and elite administrative service. They will remain as custodians of nuclear weapons and keep firm grip over ISI. If there is more power given to IB or some other new org they will make sure to clip it by putting their own pick to oversee it.

Your post seems to be upside down. Imran Khan is not the army's newest gimmick to extricate them from their current predicament.
Imran Khan is the one who is threatening to topple the army. He is the one whose supporters are launching the anti-army protests.

I would encourage you to check out some recent news programs. They will explain the situation in more detail.

I would suggest you read my post again. There are two options.

Laughable that Imran Khan can threaten the Army. He survived this long for a reason.
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Protesters, comprising workers and supporters of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F), have already reached the federal capital with many making an entrance into the Red Zone, despite Section 144 still in effect in the federal capital.
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Govt to file reference against CJP Bandial
The PDM government has decided to file a reference against Chief Justice of Pakistan Umar Ata Bandial and adopted a motion to form a special committee for the purpose. The motion, tabled by Shazia Sobia Soomro, was approved by the house on Monday. Mohsin Shahnawaz, Khurshid Junejo, Salahuddin Ayubi, Shahnaz Baloch, Salahuddin are the members of the parliamentary committee. The committee will also consider to file references on the misconduct of other judges also.
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RoyG wrote: I would suggest you read my post again. There are two options.

Laughable that Imran Khan can threaten the Army. He survived this long for a reason.
Okay, but he was toppled by them, and has since been tolerated by them as a disgruntled ex-PM and opposition leader left out of an otherwise national unity govt.

One main thing Imran has had going for him, is the economic pain and suffering which Pak ruling establishment are unable to cure for the masses.

Throwing him out of power has allowed him to wipe his hands of the economic mismanagement he himself also participated in.

Now he's just a "man of the people."

Even if Pak Army fully crack down, I don't see how they can heal this rift. There's no longer any chance for Hadood Ordinances of the 80s under Zia.
They can't bury everything by doubling down on Islam this time.
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Pak parliament passes resolution condemning Supreme Court

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Why China so worried about what its citizens say on this? Would China do this for Nepal? Or what about for Thailand?

Or does China's govt see Pak as teetering on the brink?
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China always censors coverage of protest in other countries as well, whether it be blmbir occupy wall Street. They want their citizens to get any wild ideas.
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Statue of Colonel Sher Khan Shaheed destroyed by PTI rioters

Sar tan se juda?
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Usually when there is a coup its welcomed by the aam Abdul’s . That may not be the case this time.
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Watch it all, but take a look at comments @ 17:14



Have the Chinese green-lit the crackdown on Imran? Are they the ultimate arbiter and guarantor for Army?
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sanman wrote:
RoyG wrote: I would suggest you read my post again. There are two options.

Laughable that Imran Khan can threaten the Army. He survived this long for a reason.
Okay, but he was toppled by them, and has since been tolerated by them as a disgruntled ex-PM and opposition leader left out of an otherwise national unity govt.

One main thing Imran has had going for him, is the economic pain and suffering which Pak ruling establishment are unable to cure for the masses.

Throwing him out of power has allowed him to wipe his hands of the economic mismanagement he himself also participated in.

Now he's just a "man of the people."

Even if Pak Army fully crack down, I don't see how they can heal this rift. There's no longer any chance for Hadood Ordinances of the 80s under Zia.
They can't bury everything by doubling down on Islam this time.
Imran gained nothing except made the Establishment his mortal enemy.

If he now comes back to power he will have a bigger mess to face as Pakistan has dues of $73 billion maturing in the next 3 years. :rotfl:
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More importantly, and no sugar daddy.
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sanman wrote:Watch it all, but take a look at comments @ 17:14


Have the Chinese green-lit the crackdown on Imran? Are they the ultimate arbiter and guarantor for Army?

It does not Add up , wasn’t Immy getting to close to China and away from US which was against what Bajwa wanted. Immy demonized Biden and had said in Beijing/Begging that he favors the Chinese‘Accountability model’ than western democracy ?
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