Terroristan - March 31, 2022

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Larry Walker wrote:Pakis claiming Rishi Sunak is their tactical brilliance. I think we should challenge and encourage Pakis to celebrate RS as UK's PM. Their only reason for hyping RS as Paki is because we are defensive and we will give all arguments on why he is not and this gives Pakis an opportunity to play victim, I want them to claim a practicing Hindu whose entire family is in India as a Paki success and take it to their masses - then we will see the fun.
The amusing irony here is that Pakistan's constitution says
After the election of the Speaker and the Deputy Speaker, the National Assembly shall, to the exclusion of any other business, proceed to elect without debate one of its Muslim members to be the Prime Minister.
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A person shall not be qualified for election as President unless he is a Muslim of not less than forty-five years of age and is qualified to be elected as member of the National Assembly.
So Sunak would automatically be disqualified to be President or PM of Pakistan. But sure, let them celebrate a "South Asian" Prime Minister of UK
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Anujan wrote:...
A person shall not be qualified for election as President unless he is a Muslim of not less than forty-five years of age and is qualified to be elected as member of the National Assembly.
So Sunak would automatically be disqualified to be President or PM of Pakistan. But sure, let them celebrate a "South Asian" Prime Minister of UK
Anujan ji, as per Pakis this is OK for now as Al bartannia is still not Dar-ul-Islam. When it does become so a 100% sharia compliant territory of Bakistan, a Sadiq and Ameen Momeen will be installed as the Caliph.
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Newest being a yindoo kufr is PM

British Pakistanis hit hard by multiple crises
AS the fog cast by political uncertainty appears to settle with the appointment of Prime Minister Rishi Su­­n­­­ak, one thing is clear: a long winter of financial har­dship is on the cards for households across the country.

The cost of living crisis has forced around 24 million people in Great Britain to reduce energy use at home, and 16 million to cut back on food and essentials. But among those affected, ethnic minorities fear the worst. With nine in 10 adults in Great Britain reporting higher costs of living compared to last year, a recent study shows that Pakistanis in the UK are up to 3.3 times more likely to be in relative poverty than white people.

Habib Shah, a 55-year-old working as a part-time chef in a London hospital’s catering department, said families are hit hard. “Even those who have a stable income are worried.”

Saima Haroon, a stay-at-home mother living in Birm­ingham for past 20 years, said the recent rise in costs is “the most drastic in two decades”.

Shugufta Naz, a beautician in Birmingham, had a similar story to share.As jobs are stagnant, the rising costs have presented huge challenges for both British and Indian Pakistanis :?: , she added.
Hain... i knew there were indian pakistanis in india.. now i find there are indian pakistanis in UK as well :!:
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^^ When asked in the West where you are from? Pakis, to hide the fact that they are from Pakistan, will say "South Asia." When pressed further, they will say "originally from India" (meaning their ancestors were in India before they migrated to Pakistan in 1947). They won't say they are from Pakistan. It is a clever word play they use. Looks like now they have graduated to calling themselves "Indian Pakistanis" (maybe meaning that their roots hail from India before their grand dad migrated to Pakistan in 1947). Amazing how they are latching on to the name of India for respectability and avoid a full-cavity search
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I have also heard Indian Hindus casually refer to Muslims in India as Pakistanis. Interestingly I have heard the same from Pakistanis.

I believe some issues relating to Partition will be revisisted as the power differential between the two approaches Russia Estonia.
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SanjayC:
This is not limited to Pakistanis. Most "Indian" restaurants in the UK are run by Bangladeshis from the district of Sylhet.
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^ At this rate soon they will start to drop the word pakistan itself... call themselves Forcibly Partitioned Indians or Divided Indians or something like that... :roll:
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Manish_P wrote:^ At this rate soon they will start to drop the word pakistan itself... call themselves Forcibly Partitioned Indians or Divided Indians or something like that... :roll:
djinn@h$ folly or unfairly segregated Indians

so now, will they do a gh@zw@ against themselves and call it gh@zw@ e bund
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Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022

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Bhy phor IK is meeting Bajwa at night??
Not possible that you meet COAS at night and call him traitor in day, DG ISI slams Imran Khan
RAWALPINDI: In a direct jibe at PTI chief Imran Khan, Director-General Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt Gen Nadeem Anjum on Thursday said that it is not possible that the former prime minister can meet army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa at night and then call him a "traitor in the day".

“If the commander-in-chief is a traitor then why did you meet him in hiding? Meeting [him] is your right but it cannot be possible that you meet at night and call [him] a traitor in the day,” asked the DG ISI.

Lt Gen Anjum said that the military was called "neutral and an animal" :shock: as they had committed treason by refusing to be part of an "illegal" decision. He said that the refusal to do the "illegal job" was not the decision of a single person or army chief but of the entire institution.
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:rotfl: ZIMBABWE defeats Pakistan in world cup
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Zimbabwe get revenge on the Pakis for have scammed them with a duplicate Mr. Bean for an event

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Here is the dude in Zimbabwe

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:lol:

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President of Zimbabwe Emmerson Mnangagwa trolling the Pakis :mrgreen:

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Kapshuns please

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“We need to take over training of our cricket team on how to handle white balls”
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hnair wrote:
“We need to take over training of our cricket team on how to handle white balls”
Training by whom.....ISI
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Manish_P wrote::lol:

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What? Not even Muslim birarhers Bangladeshi.
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Kaptaan continues to play with fire.
‘If institutions apolitical, why hold a press conference’: Imran raises questions on ISPR presser
PTI Chairman Imran Khan on Thursday raised questions on the unprecedented press conference held by Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) chief Lt Gen Nadeem Ahmed Anjum and Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) DG Lt Gen Babar Iftikhar earlier today, saying that if institutions were apolitical what was the purpose of holding a “political presser”.

In an interview with journalist Amir Mateen aired on 92 News, the former premier said that today’s press conference was “unprecedented” and “never heard of”.

“Either there should be some issue that concerns them, like security, but they held a political press conference so I don’t understand this. Could the defence or interior minister or prime minister not have done this? What was their [the institutions’] job in holding the press conference?”

The PTI chief then went on to say that if he started giving answers “it will cause a lot of damage to the country”.
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Wow Dimran is simply not showing any fear of the Army/ISI. Seems to believe he has the upper hand and can control or browbeat them.

Waiting for Army/ISI to decisively restore normalcy :wink:
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Vips wrote:Wow Dimran is simply not showing any fear of the Army/ISI. Seems to believe he has the upper hand and can control or browbeat them.

Waiting for Army/ISI to decisively restore normalcy :wink:
who is backing him.....

even this moron is not that dumb so as to take on the uniforms head to head
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Sunroof lever, backpaki, vacuum bulb, or mango crate for dimran? Let's take bets
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Have to say what a disgrace this Bajwa chap and now this anjum bugger have been to the Tafta Pak Fauj.

Where r the days of SSG Kamandu mushi? Now 111 brigade will be used only for marching ?? Shame shame
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Mango crate during long march is not a possibility at this point?
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hnair wrote:
“We need to take over training of our cricket team on how to handle white balls”
Good one :rotfl:
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chetak wrote:
Vips wrote:Wow Dimran is simply not showing any fear of the Army/ISI. Seems to believe he has the upper hand and can control or browbeat them.

Waiting for Army/ISI to decisively restore normalcy :wink:
who is backing him.....

even this moron is not that dumb so as to take on the uniforms head to head
He has been doing it for a while now. He has criticized army openly, even targeted specific Generals and Army couldn't do much. The high point was calling Bajwa Mir Jafar.

Imran has showed that Army and establishment cant do much if public backs a leader.

ISI chief doing a press conference against a leader is unprecedented and shows how desperate establishment is. They have done pretty much everything except for the sunroof lever and it has not worked.
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Dimran is hoping to follow the Erdogan template of taming the army and looks like establishment now fears his re-election and that too with a 3/4th majority (which at the current stage looks achievable if a free election is done).

If Army/ISI wants to have enough funds to maintain the pristine lawns at Kakul, then it has very limited time to get its 'act' together.
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The establishment is betting on IK’s disqualification to enter Parliament. They will try and convince everyone involved, including judiciary that this is the only way to get things done without a sunroof lever damaging TSP’s democratic ‘image’, again. If the disqualification plan fails then it is popcorn time.
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The establishment is betting on IK’s disqualification to enter Parliament. They will try and convince everyone involved, including judiciary that this is the only way to get things done without a sunroof lever damaging TSP’s democratic ‘image’, again. If the disqualification plan fails then it is popcorn time.
Then i will be "MERE AZIZ HUM VATANO"
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Imran wanted talks on COAS appointment: PM
“Imran Khan offered [to conduct] negotiations,” the prime minister said, adding that the PTI chief wanted to settle two issues through dialogue.

“The first matter was the army chief’s appointment and the second was holding snap elections,” PM Shehbaz revealed while addressing vloggers.

The extended term of army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa will come to an end on November 29 and the coalition government has time and again stressed that his successor will be appointed in due course and in line with the Constitution.

The premier said that while he refused to negotiate on the aforementioned matters, he offered to discuss the Charter of Democracy and Charter of Economy with Khan.

The prime minister shared that Khan offered to send him three names and sought three from him to appoint the next army chief. PM Shehbaz said Khan told him “let’s appoint the army chief together”.

“I thanked him and refused [the offer]. I sent a message to Imran Khan that is a constitutional duty that the prime minister has to perform,”
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Two soldiers martyred during exchange of fire with terrorists
RAWALPINDI: Two Pakistani Army soldiers embraced martyrdom in an exchange of fire with terrorists in Dera Ismail Khan's general area of Darazinda, the military media wing said Saturday. In a statement, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said as both sides exchanged fire, Naik Sajid Hussain, 33, a resident of Khushab and Sepoy Muhammad Israr, 26, a resident of Attock embraced martyrdom.
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Imran ups the ante
Former prime minister Imran Khan on Saturday reiterated his demand for “immediate fair elections” adding that, “no one can prevent that”.

Addressing participants of the long march, he asserted that his party would remain within the bounds of the law and the Constitution during the march. “However, protesting is my right. The Constitution permits me to peacefully protest,” he said.

Imran Khan said “Mir Jaffar and Mir Sadiq” committed treason against the country under ‘foreign conspiracy’ and imposed ‘thieves’ on the country. “Freedom is not given. Freedom has to be snatched,” he said. “We have to get freedom from those who have enslaved us and imposed a cabal of crooks on the country. We have to liberate our country,” he added.
Imran Khan said it was highly regrettable the way a 75-year-old senator was picked up and tortured. “I want to tell all of them today that we are humans and not sheep,” he told supporters at Lahore’s Shahdara. Without naming any specific individual, Imran said “don’t treat us like animals”. “Don’t treat us like animals, that you first call them robbers and then impose them on us, and tell us bhair bakrian (sheep) that now move in this direction. You first tell us the Nawaz Sharif was a robber and now he is clean. Previously Zardari was ‘Mister 10 per cent’ in the world and but now since ‘we have decided, you also accept him’.” He exclaimed again “we are not bhair bakrian” and that “you are standing with them today”.
PTI Chairman Imran Khan has hailed the “unprecedented numbers” coming out for the party’s long march to Islamabad. “Pakistan will change forever with the nation making clear it will not accept any individual or institution being above law,” he tweeted, adding that this is what he had set out to achieve in creating the PTI 26 years ago.

Imran Khan urged Chief Justice of Pakistan Umar Ata Bandial to protect the fundamental rights and also to take action against the “custodial torture” of PTI leader Azam Swati. “You should know why I am on the streets at the age of 70. The only reason I am marching is because you are like my children and I want you to be educated and know what real freedom is,” said the former PM while addressing the long march participants at Shahdara, Lahore.
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the tfta paki fauj is in a deep shit. if they 'mango' IK then will it resolve all the basic issues he is raising ? No. Infact that will actually trigger the dismemberment of shitistan. all this while army was to keep the kufr away and the semblance that life is ok under sharif or butto or IK. but right now pakis cannot afford tel or timaatar or aaloo and in this situation if IK gets mango'ed that will be straw that will break the camel's back. fauj cannot say what he is shouting is wrong because that is the bigger problem then the kufr at this point. GoI by staying absolutely quite on the paki front has ensured that the momins do not bring yindu kufr into the mix and dilute the domestic issues. NaMo is slowly and steadily killing their sources of income which will further accelerate their implosion.
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Actually, if Imran Khan were to disappear, PTI as a pppular force will disappear too. There are no second string leaders who can galvanize public opinion like he can. That's why the PA is assiduously maintaining its "neutral" stance - so that they won't face the public heat for long. They understand that once the PTI is gone as the dark horse, both PPP and PML(N) will have to rely on them to tip the scales and they will once again be the decisive vote.

For that to happen, Imran Khan should not contest the election - one way or the other.
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I see below options for the establishment:

Option 1 (Imran is knocked out on Technical grounds): He will still remain a leader and public face for PTI. Just like Ganja is for PMLN. It would not make some difference but this would just make the situation worse as Public will sympathize more with PTI and PTI will also be able to work on an alternate governance model that still has Imran in center. PTI will win the elections with this model.

Option 2 (Imran is Mangoed): If he hits the sunroof level than everyone will know who did it. Establishment credibility will take a big blow. One they wont be able to recover from. Establishment knows this and wont do this. Credibility façade with the mango abdul is all they have. PTI will win the elections in this case riding on the huge sympathy wave.

Option 3 (Conduct fresh elections now): PTI will win. Establishment wont be able to do the mass rigging without getting exposed as many in the establishment favor Imran

Option 4( Conduct elections next year on time): PTI may still win as current government wont be able to do anything good for the economy. It may get worse giving Imran a further edge. But few months is a long time in politics and this is the best bet for the establishment.


The backers of Imran are sharp. He has taken establishment directly so that Option 2 is closed for the establishment. For option 1 Imran has strong backing in the higher Judiciary. They have openly favored him time and again. So a technical knockout would be hard.

At this point establishment was trying to take the Option 4. This will give them time (to do the following):
1. Work on the Judiciary, Media and other supporters of Imran in the establishment. They didn't get this time as Imran's separation was too quick while the support he got from establishment directly is 8+ years. Establishment converted a lot of people to favor and follow him and it will take some time to unwind this.
2. Slowly leak videos and audios to malign Imran. A slow process as they dont want to show that they are openly against Imran but want a narrative.
3. Give government time and support to improve the economy. That's why Dar was called back and he was provided relief magically by the courts.
4. work to convert PTI leaders. Let them switch and reveal things against Imran.
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At this time establishment is on backfoot. They have tried all of their tricks that have worked with other parties before.

1. Audio/video leaks and planting stories, and using media to amplify it.
2. ISI chief doing a press conference primarily to show clearly that establishment is not with Imran. Till the conference many still believe that establishment is soft on Imran. Especially after PTI was able to form government in Punjab with coalition.
3. Helping PTI leaders turn on Imran. Faisal Vawda's press conference is great example. He has disqualification case pending in supreme court. This guy has won from PTI ticket and when he was disqualified on fraud he was given a senator ticket by Imran to stay in the Parliament.

Establishment did have a soft corner for Imran for some time, even after his dismissal. Its only now that establishment and Imran are in no return zone.
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India took a strategical decision to throw out Bakistan out of WC22 and today they took a tactical decision to Implement the strategy :((
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Manish_P wrote:Kapshuns please
Mir Sadiq and Mir Jaffer's spokesperson
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CalvinH wrote: Establishment did have a soft corner for Imran for some time, even after his dismissal. Its only now that establishment and Imran are in no return zone.
There seems to be a split in the establishment. The Faiz group and a few kernails and down seem to support Dimran. The Bajwa camp and a few "traditional" TFTAs think Dimran is bad for Pakistan and want a change.


I am 400% support of Kaptaan.

#GoBajwaGo #GaddarBajwa
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Tragedy convinced Wasim Akram to ditch cocaine habit
Pakistan cricket legend Wasim Akram says it took the death of his first wife Huma to spark him into finally kicking his addiction to cocaine which had replaced the thrill of playing when he retired.....

....I liked going to Karachi on my own, pretending it was work when it was actually about partying, often for days at a time.”

Wasim agreed with Huma he needed help after her “discovering a packet of cocaine in my wallet.”

“I couldn’t control it,” he said. “Four (lines) would become a gram, a gram would become two.
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Imran wanted talks on COAS appointment: PM

Pliss to note the above article about Imran negotiating with PM about appointment of a COAS of his choice. So some general within the establishment is trying to use Imran to get the post and it is only fair to assume that he has the backing of this section.
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