Terroristan - March 31, 2022

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sanjayc wrote:
"However, Pakistan is not a failed idea. It is rooted in the Muslim experience in India, especially after the British ended Muslim rule."
These people are delusional (typical of faiths based on blind belief). Pakistan's idea is based on hatred of non-believers and refusing to be treated as equals to them, not in any experience of Muslims. And British ended Maratha rule in India, not Muslim rule -- more than half of India was in control of Marathas in 18th century, and Mughal emperor was their pensioner.
the Indian muslims thought (and still think) that they and they alone were/are the rightful heirs to the throne of India after the britshits departed and fully expected the britshits to hand over power to them so that their imagined "interrupted" rule and their god given rightful suzerainty over the Hindus and all their lands would continue.

this is also why the muslims fought for proportional representation and separate electorates.
The separate electorate was introduced in Indian Councils Act 1909 for Muslims and extended to Sikhs, Indian Christians, Anglo-Indians and Europeans by Government of India Act 1919.
but these do not exist in India after 1947 where the norm was every eligible man/woman had one vote, the universal franchaise.

They were terrified that the Hindus would exact revenge for everything that the muslims had done to them over the centuries.

all muslims in India know fully well what their ancestors did, that is why every delusional puncherwalla says "we ruled over you for a thousand years"

the muslims and commies under the offshore patronage of the BIF changed history and covered up the atrocities. The congis were a part and parcel of this disgusting manipulation and that is why they ensured that so many of the earlier education ministers were khattarpanthi islamists.

the fact that their hold and influence have ended is what is bothering them today.

the creation of pukestan was like designating a place for a municipal garbage dump where all the rubbish would be accumulated.

the only thing now left is to cart away such accumulated rubbish to a landfill and that is exactly what the cheeni are planning on doing so very efficiently.

once the cheeni have the pakis by their throat and their testimonials, the pakis will know that the xinjiang uyghurs are leading a privileged existence, compared to what the cheeni have planned for these unwashed paki momin
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They feared I would appoint Lt Gen Faiz Hameed as army chief: Imran Khan
ISLAMABAD: PTI Chairman Imran Khan said Wednesday that the parties in the coalition government were “afraid” he would appoint Lieutenant General Faiz Hameed as the next chief of army staff.

“They were afraid that I wanted to appoint Lt Gen Faiz. They feared that if that would have happened then it would shatter their future,” the PTI chairman said while hitting out at the government during a seminar on “Regime Change Conspiracy and Pakistan's Destabilization”.
The ousted prime minister said the incumbent rulers are “afraid of the army and the Inter-Services Intelligence” as they know that their “corruption” will be caught at some point.

“Imran Khan does not want to save his corruption, he does not want to appoint his army chief,” said the PTI leader.

Khan said that the incumbent rulers claim that he wanted to appoint an army chief of his choice.

“I never thought of appointing someone as army chief. I have never taken a decision that is not based on merit.”

The PTI chairman berated the incumbent rulers for allegedly “murdering the institutions” and appointing “their people” to every institution.
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It is never ever the Bakis fault...

Yawn - WB has messed up country’s energy sector by backing gas: experts
Speakers at a seminar on Wednesday criticized the World Bank for messing up Pakistan’s energy sector by supporting fossil gas and financing LNG infrastructure in recent years.

Organized by the Alliance for Climate Justice and Clean Energy, the seminar participants unanimously called the country’s shift to fossil gas a costly mistake that has contributed to disproportionately high reliance on imported LNG obtained at exorbitant spot prices.
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Manish_P wrote:It is never ever the Bakis fault...
As long as Paxis continue to blame everyone else for their mess we all will do fine and they will stay irrelevant. But the moment they start to do right things then we will have lot to worry.
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TSP should aim for 72%.
43pc foreign-funded projects found to be ‘problematic’
ISLAMABAD: The Ministry of Economic Affairs said on Thursday that 43 per cent of about $35 billion worth of foreign-funded projects were problematic — either not progressing well or unable to deliver the desired outcomes.

At a review meeting of the National Coordination Committee on foreign-funded projects, the ministry reported that it was managing an ongoing portfolio of $34.8bn such projects of various sectors of the economy. “Out of the total portfolio, $15bn (43pc) is considered as problematic,” it added.

On top of that, the meeting was informed that the “share of federal energy projects is about $3.3bn, of which $2.3bn (or almost 70pc) is rated as problematic”, an official statement said.
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Pakistan comes under scrutiny as UK detects poliovirus after 4 decades



https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/ ... 69283.html

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's vaccination programme has come under suspicion after the detection of poliovirus in sewage samples in London for the first time in four decades, according to a media report on Friday.

The UK Health Security Agency has noted that the virus detected on Thursday was probably imported from some country, and has asked parents to ensure their children were fully immunised against the crippling disease.

Health authorities in Islamabad claim the "vaccine-derived virus" found in the UK exists in 22 countries and the type found locally was the wild poliovirus (WPV).

Pakistan Polio Eradication Programme National Coordinator Dr Shahzad Baig told the Dawn newspaper on Thursday that it was too early to say the virus had travelled from Pakistan, as UK authorities were yet to announce the results of genome sequencing.

Genome sequencing helps determine the origin of a virus, as samples detected in different areas have a different ribonucleic acid (RNA).
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Top LeT man Sajid Mir quietly held, jailed in terror financing case
ISLAMABAD: As Pakistani officials ticked items off their to-do list for submission of report to Financial Action Task Force (FATF) on the implementation of the action plan for getting out of its ‘grey-list’, something that strengthened their case was the conviction and sentencing of top Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) terrorist Sajid Majeed Mir.

Mir, 44, who allegedly directed the 2008 Mumbai attacks, was sentenced by an anti-terrorism court in Lahore, in the first week of this month, to 15 and a half years in jail after convicting him in a terror financing case. He was also fined Rs420,000. He is currently serving sentence in Kot Lakhpat jail, according to a source.

It all happened so quietly that no one came to know about such an important court verdict in such a high-profile case, except for a very brief report in one of the newspapers, which too could not attract attention. His detention, which apparently took place in later part of April, was also kept away from media’s prying eyes.
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The best part of the article is:
Pakistani authorities, it should be recalled, had in the past claimed he had died, but Western countries remained unconvinced and demanded proofs of his death. This issue rather became a major sticking point in FATF’s assessment of Pakistan’s progress on the action plan late last year. This was where things finally started moving in Mir’s case leading to his ‘arrest’. :rotfl:
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Likely a 5 star jail with wimmen and wine
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1696585/infan ... waziristan
Infant found paralysed by polio in North Waziristan
Ikram Junaidi, June 25, 20

ISLAMABAD: After yet another polio case was detected in North Waziristan on Friday, the country’s tally of the virus for the current year has reached 11, as compared to just one case last year.
On the other hand, the top global health body said Pakistan was among the four countries reporting the wild poliovirus (WPV) besides Afghanistan, Mozam­bique and Malawi.
While all the cases in Pakistan this year were reported from North Waziris­tan, eight of them emerged from the Mir Ali area alone.
The latest victim of the crippling disease is an eight-month-old boy who has been paralysed by the WPV. According to an official of the Ministry of National Health Services, the child belonged to Mir Ali in North Waziristan.
“Emergency measures adopted by the Pakistan Polio Programme have so far contained the virus in the southern districts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,” the official claimed.
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This article also follows the usual pattern of 'sane' articles coming out of TSP. The author can identify all the right symptoms but chickens out from identifying the root cause at the last moment. This also is another one of TSP civil society's problems.
Soft on the TTP
After a mild outcry from the concerned citizenry as well as the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), the military leadership has reassured the political leadership that no extra-constitutional deal will be made with the proscribed Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

A press statement issued after the National Security Committee meeting last week mentioned that an in-camera session of parliament will be called, in which the Leader of the House — ie, the prime minister — will take other leaders on board. The statement has given the impression that the issue of talks with the TTP has been resolved amicably with the political leadership.

Whatever the case may be, it is worth noting that the political leadership has since long given up on security issues. It now blindly trusts the security establishment’s insight on such affairs. It seems almost preposterous to even consider that they would ask the establishment under what constitutional or political framework talks with the terrorist group were even initiated. Which framework will be used to bring the erstwhile terrorists under the orbit of Pakistan’s Constitution, which they do not recognise?
The ANP’s and PPP’s reaction is understandable. The TTP has claimed killing their top leadership, including Benazir Bhutto. However, these two parties never mobilised the masses on this issue. Other major parties in the current government are less concerned. The JUI-F always supported the idea of talks with the TTP because of their ideological affinity, while the PML-N is more focused on preserving its political capital and the economy.

The compulsions and shortcomings of political parties notwithstanding, more surprising has been the lack of response from civil society. Yes, the economic crisis may have left people unable to think about much else, but even victims of terrorism have so far not mobilised to register their protest. It is important to understand why.
A deconstruction of terms historically used to describe militancy and armed movements exposes structural issues pertaining to politics, nationalism, identity, religion and the balance of power within state institutions.

Not too long ago, citizens were not ready to accept that the Taliban or other religiously inspired militant groups could be involved in terrorism against Pakistan. Their actions outside the country had been depicted as acts of jihad. These militant groups had a history of serving the state and its institutions, and were frequently labelled ‘saviours’, ‘patriots’ and ‘mujahideen’ before they were ever declared militants or terrorists.
Public opinion in Pakistan therefore took time to adjust to the different meaning of terms such as ‘traitor’, ‘miscreant’ and ‘enemy’ when they were applied to religiously motivated militants after 9/11. Society was still digesting the new terminology and gradually accepting the TTP, Al Qaeda, IS-K, and LeJ as enemies of the state and society when state institutions seem to have suddenly upended that process. This has created more ambiguity within society, and its dynamics can be discussed at some other time in these pages. :rotfl: Till then, suffice it to say that the state seems to have greatly disillusioned its citizens.
The writer is a security analyst.
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One killed, eight hurt in missed gun, bomb attack on FC vehicle in Jacobabad
SUKKUR: A pedestrian was killed and eight other persons, including two policemen, were wounded in a gun and bomb attack on a moving Frontier Constabulary (FC) vehicle by a lone terrorist at the Mauladad level-crossing in Jacobabad on Saturday. The attacker was caught by people and handed over to the police.

Officials at the Saddar police station said the attacker, later identified as Mohammad Usman, missed the target because the FC vehicle was moving in a fast speed. No one riding the vehicle sustained any harm, they said.

They said that the suspect first opened fire on the FC vehicle and then threw a hand grenade on it. He, however, missed the target, they added. A pedestrian, Ghulam Mustafa Jakhrani, son of Atta Mohammad, a resident of Nawaz Jagirani village, was killed on the spot and eight other persons were wounded in the grenade blast.
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US helped Pakistan in reaching IMF accord: sources
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s request to the US in reaching deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) “helped” the country, however, there were no concessions in conditions set for the revival of the loan programme.

Speaking to Geo News today, “Naya Pakistan” anchor Shahzad Iqbal said that according to his information Islamabad did get the benefit from reaching out to the US because IMF's attitude at that time was very strict and the Fund was putting harsh conditions and probably may have refused to sign a deal with the country.
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:((
India blocks Pakistan's invitation to non-member BRICS meeting
ISLAMABAD: India blocked an invitation to Pakistan for the "High level Dialogue on Global Development" held virtually on the sidelines of the BRICS meetings last week.

Leaders of two dozen non-member countries of the BRICS format attended the meeting virtually, held on June 24.

What raised eyebrows was the absence of Pakistan from the meeting, :eek: a key strategic partner of China and part of the flagship Belt and Road Initiative.

There was no explanation from either China or Pakistan on the exclusion of Islamabad, but on Monday, the Foreign Office finally issued the official version.

Without naming any country, FO Spokesperson Asim Iftikhar said a member country of BRICS was behind blocking an invitation to Pakistan.
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^ Had this been a 'High level Dialogue on Global Development on Terrorism' Pakistan would have been a prominent invitee, even the sponsor, but, this being on 'Global Economic Development', Pakistan was not invited.
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TSP has been inching closer for over a month now. All these headlines are for the purposes of domestic consumption and maintaining H&D onlee while nothing is certain as of now.
Pakistan inches closer to sealing deal with IMF
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Instead of rejecting Indian move, TSP should reject the G20 itself. How can a nuklear sooparpower like TSP not be part of G20, haniji?
Pakistan to approach G20 against India’s plan
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan will reach out to the G20 countries particularly with which it has close ties in an attempt to stop India from holding any event or meeting of the grouping in the Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK).

India is planning to host certain events of G20 in the disputed territory when it will host the summit meeting next year.

India is set to assume the presidency of G20 in December this year.

India is part of the G20 grouping comprising major economies of the world including Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Germany, France, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, the United Kingdom and the United States.

While Pakistan has already rejected the Indian move, official sources told The Express Tribune on Sunday that Islamabad would reach out to G20 countries on the issue.
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TSP has to implement additional steps and approach IMF again after a month for approval. It is popcorn time.
IMF pushes Pakistan in a tight spot
ISLAMABAD: To revive its stalled $6 billion loan programme, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has set four tough prior conditions -- increasing electricity tariffs, the cabinet taking the decision to gradually impose Rs50 per litre petroleum levy to collect Rs855 billion, and ending the government’s role in determining the oil prices.

The demands came amid the government’s decision to seek the National Assembly’s approval on Wednesday (today) to amend the Petroleum Products (Petroleum Levy) Ordinance, 1961.

The law is proposed to be amended to slap Rs50 per litre petroleum levy on high-speed diesel, petrol, high octane blending component (HOBC), E-10 gasoline, superior kerosene oil and light diesel. It has also proposed Rs30,000 per metric tons liquefied petroleum gas levy.

The IMF has also asked Pakistan to set up an anti-corruption task force to review all the existing laws that were aimed at curbing graft in the government departments, according to sources.

After implementing the conditions, the IMF would present Pakistan’s request for the approval of the loan tranche and revival of the programme to its executive board – a process that may consume another month, the sources added.
In its draft Memorandum for Economic and Financial Policies (MEFP) document, the IMF has proposed to club the two pending programme reviews – the 7th and 8th – but did not indicate that it would also approve loan tranches of $2 billion. :((
The existing IMF programme shows that the approval of the 6th and 7th review by the Executive Board of the IMF should pave the way for release of roughly $960 million worth of two loan tranches, totaling $1.9 billion. However, this schedule will be amended after the merger of the two reviews.

The sources said that in its draft MEFP document, the IMF did not mention to increase the loan tranche size to $1.9 billion. The issue of increasing the loan size will now be discussed by both the sides.

The finance minister told The Express Tribune that Pakistan had requested the IMF to double the loan tranche size to $2 billion. He said that nothing was final yet but the loan amount size could be around $1.5 billion.
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Reactions after iron brother threw TSP under the bus during BRICS summit.
An unfortunate error
In a surprise move, the Chinese government opted to leave out Pakistan from a major global event on development – the High Level Dialogue on Global Development – that it was hosting. When questions were raised, several explanations came forth. From Pakistan's official sources, the reason given was that it was a BRICS event and guests could have been invited only by consensus. :lol: Subsequently, the Foreign Office gave a public statement that one country, implying India, prevented China from inviting Pakistan. This was followed by an unrelated self-congratulatory statement that Pakistan was qualified to attend any global event on development. :mrgreen:
Both Islamabad and Beijing's spokespersons had choreographed their response to the inevitable question: why not Pakistan? After all, about 14 non-BRICS countries – including Iran, Egypt, Algeria, Cambodia, Uzbekistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Kazakhstan – had been invited.
Some facts now: this event was not a BRICS event. Having researched all the documentation on the event, it is clear that the event was held on the sidelines of BRICS. Since when are sideline events meant to get clearance from the organizers/members of the main event? Never. For example, when has an OIC event held on the sidelines of the UNGA be cleared by the UN secretary-general or by all UN Security Council members? Never.

Clearly, the High Level Dialogue was not a BRICS event. The Chinese spokesperson also only confirmed that the event was “based on consultations with BRICS members"; he did not clearly state it was a BRICS event. Significantly, after the BRICS summit which ended on June 24 a declaration was issued. Nowhere in the summit declaration was there any mention of the June 25 global dialogue as a BRICS event. It is indeed perplexing that the Pakistan FO spokesperson would say that before the event China explained the situation to Pakistan regarding one BRICS country blocking Pakistan’s participation.
Pakis are starting to worry that India and China are finding common ground in the backdrop of Ukraine war.
All is not alright with the explanations given out by Islamabad and Beijing. Why then harp on about a development which does not materially impact the strategic Pakistan-China relationship? Simply because it raises several important questions. Three are specifically important. One: does China seek to signal publicly on issues that it should, as it always has, discuss privately. Two: what caused the surprising ‘moment of weakness’ for China to be persuaded by India on Pakistan's participation? Is this newfound strategic unity on Ukraine and the Russian oil issue? The practical manifestation of this convergence is the mutually reinforcing act of buying excessive amounts of oil in the face of attempted global censure. Three: is there some misunderstanding in Beijing that, given the difficulties within Pakistan, the country will overlook being denied its rightful place at the high table convened by its strategic partner where countries with lesser stature and lesser relevance are present ? By virtue of the bilateral geo-security and geo-economic architecture that the two have constructed over the years, Pakistan remains an indispensable partner for China and vice-versa, which also translates into mutual respect and trust.
While China has the right to raise substantive issues like implications for bilateral relations of the much talked about ‘reset’ of Pakistan relations with major powers, the slow progress on many CPEC projects, undermining security of Chinese personnel, so does Pakistan on issues like Gwadar-plus, the absence of a senior Chinese diplomat as ambassador to Pakistan, the IPPS etc. Constructive, closed-door dialogue will yield positive results. Missteps, however small, breach trust and mutual strategic faith – and must be avoided at all costs.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/udai ... 220629.htm
Udaipur tailor's killer has Pak links, visited Karachi in 2014
Hemant Waje, June 29, 2022

One of the two prime accused in the brutal killing of a tailor in Udaipur has links with the Pakistan-based organisation Dawat-e-Islami and had visited Karachi in 2014, the Rajasthan Police chief said on Wednesday.
The police have detained three more people in connection with the killing so far, Director General of Police M L Lather said at a press conference here.
Two men, identified as Riaz Akhtari and Ghouse Mohammad, allegedly hacked Kanhaiya Lal to death with a cleaver at his shop in Udaipur on Tuesday and posted videos online saying they are avenging an insult to Islam.
The duo was taken into custody on Tuesday and booked under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act and the various sections of IPC, the police chief said.
"One of the accused, Ghouse Mohammad, has links with the Karachi-based Ismalist organisation Dawat-e-Islami. He had visited Karachi in 2014. So far, we have detained five people, including the two prime accused," Lather said.
When asked whether both the accused had links with Dawat-e-Islami, Lather said that it cannot be ruled out as both of them were equally involved.
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Missing persons bill goes ‘missing'
ISLAMABAD: A Senate panel on Wednesday was informed that the bill on enforced disappearances continued to remain "missing".

During a meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Human Rights, PML-N Senator Mushahid Hussain inquired about the bill. “It should be revealed that whoever made the bill disappear," he added.

The Criminal Law (Amendment) Bill, 2021 was passed by the National Assembly in November last year.

Former human rights minister Shireen Mazari had revealed in January this year that the bill had gone missing after it was sent to the Senate.
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Looks like there is no cease fire agreement signed yet despite all the AK phyrring in media.
TTP refuses to budge from demand for Fata merger reversal
NORTH WAZIRISTAN: The proscribed Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) has categorically stated that the insurgent group would not back down from its demand for the reversal of the merger of erstwhile Fata with the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

“Our demands are clear and especially the reversal of Fata merger with KP is our primary demand which the group cannot back down from,” said Mufti Noor Wali Mehsud, chief of the outlawed group during an interview with a YouTuber. The interview, which was made available on YouTube on Wednesday, has been apparently conducted somewhere in Kabul.

Federal Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah had recently ruled out the reversal of Fata merger with KP which was done through a constitutional amendment in 2018.
With an automatic assault rifle kept by his side, the proscribed group chief said that negotiations between the TTP and the government were in progress but no major breakthrough had been made so far.

“The talks have yet to reach a conclusion,” said Noor Wali, sporting a traditional black turban. He belongs to South Waziristan and has moved to Kabul for holding talks with the government.
“This non-serious attitude on the part of the government can affect the negotiations,” he cautioned. He ruled out the dissolution of the TTP. “A demand which affects the credibility of the movement will be unacceptable to us,” asserted Noor Wali, adding that “appropriate demands” could come under discussion during the negotiations.
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Evil IMF is trying to cause chaos by providing list of 'prior actions' and recovering previous loans. This is a YYY conspiracy.
IMF is being unfair
Clearly, the prices of Pakistan’s major imports from the international market are not in Pakistan’s control. Then there’s an ‘ex-energy commodity supercycle’. Remember, Pakistan imports some $8 billion of food items-wheat, edible oil, tea and pulses.

The energy price shock in-tandem with the commodity supercycle is causing chaos across the developing world. External accounts of almost all non-oil exporting developing countries are under severe strain. There are protests and social unrest in Sri Lanka, Ecuador, Nepal, Argentina, Ghana, Egypt, Zimbabwe, Laos, South Korea, Spain, Yemen, Myanmar, Haiti, Kenya, Tunisia and Burkina Faso. IMF client states, Argentina, Ecuador and Zambia risk potentially disastrous defaults.{So the author believes that TSP also belongs to this group of countries}
In IMF client states people are being forced to skip meals. In IMF client states people are being forced to sell their kidneys. And the IMF has been churning out a new list of ‘prior actions’ almost on a monthly basis. :roll:

Social unrest has serious consequences. The IMF is interested in recovery but social unrest will become a major barrier to recovery. As the IMF is busy churning out a new list of ‘prior actions’ social unrest is rising adding to risks for the global economy. The IMF should not under any circumstance become an instigator of riots, protests and social unrest. Surely, the IMF “cannot be blamed for food shortages caused by harvest failure, the Fund can certainly be blamed for food riots caused by policies designed to achieve unnecessary ends or ends that can be achieved by other less painful means.”
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^^ this is similar to: I will blame IMF for not giving me loan when I am starving.
when will they ever realize that they are starving because their faujis took all the food and have built DHAs. and the IMF already gave loans 22 times for the same reason.
its the addict blaming the doctor for not giving the fix!
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Blasphemy allegation against Samsung employee in Karachi: angry mob destroying Samsung bill boards
and pakis thinks that land of Pure is haven for foreign investment.
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If a bunch of RAPE's start praising an Indian you know what to conclude!!!

Satinder Lambah was an "epitome of diplomacy" and if Pakistan and India can ever forge peaceful relations, its credit will also go to the veteran Indian diplomat, prominent former members of the Pakistani diplomatic community said on Saturday.

Lambah, 81, passed away in New Delhi on Thursday. He headed the crucial backchannel diplomatic negotiations between India and Pakistan from 2005 to 2014. (During Khangress rule under Mickey Mouse remote controlled by Italian Mafia)

Riaz Mohammad Khan, a Pakistani counterpart of Lambah in the backchannel communication process, paid tribute to the Indian diplomat, saying if ever peace was created between Pakistan and India "its credit will also go to Lambah". Khan, former foreign secretary, was the point person from Pakistan between 2010 and 2013 to interact with Lambah, as the two sides made a vain epic effort to untangle their complex relationship by trying to address among others the Kashmir issue.

Khan was asked to lead the process from the Pakistani side after Tariq Aziz, a trusted fellow of then president Pervez Musharraf and the original architect of the backchannel communication along with Lambah, asked the government to relieve him of the onerous assignment.

"The major success of the process was that we had everything in black and white. We developed a framework in writing by 2007 when the final draft came from India," he said, adding that New Delhi had taken about two years to return the draft sent by Islamabad. Talking about Kashmir, Khan said that the two sides had agreed on the formula of self-governance for the sub-regions of Kashmir.

Khan said several joint mechanisms were proposed to resolve various issues arising out of the self-governance formula. But Khan said that secret efforts and communications went on between the two sides until 2014 when the process was stopped. (After the Corrupt Khangress govt was out)

"The formula we had worked out with Lambah (of making the border irrelevant allowing free and unrestricted movement of paksitani's into Kashmir)was the best possible approach that the two countries could have developed under the then circumstances," he said, adding the paperwork was complete and the entire process owed a lot to Lambah, who led the Indian sides in those long years of secret communication.

Former high commissioner to India Abdul Basit also talked to PTI about his interaction with Lambah and his impression of his efforts for peace.
"I met him many times during my stay in India and found him to be a thorough diplomat. He had good connections in Pakistan as he served as deputy high commissioner and high commissioner here, and was involved in backchannel diplomacy," Basit said.

Basit acknowledged Lambah's desire for peace, saying "all diplomats generally work for peace" (What about Paki diplomat's openly encouraging terrorism in india).

"If Lambah was my counterpart and we had the full backing of the political leadership, I can assure that we would solve all problems between Pakistan and India within two months," Khan said, adding that Lambah has died but he created a tradition (of yielding to Paki demands) which "we need to resume as early as possible".(Of course)

Senior Pakistani defence analyst Hasan Askari said Lambah had personal friendships in Pakistan that no one in the diplomatic fraternity has today.

"For Track-II diplomacy between two rival countries like India and Pakistan, you need diplomats with personal relations in each other's country Lambah had that. But unfortunately, today neither in India nor in Pakistan we don't have diplomats who could claim that they have good personal relations in each other's countries (Thank God). And this is so because of strained relations between the two countries for years," Askari said.

He said Lambah with his experience and personal relationship in Pakistan remained effectively engaged in Track-II diplomacy and helped in easing out tensions between them.
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from wikileaks:
5. (C) Because Lambah is expected to report to Natwar Singh,
for whom he worked as DCM when the latter was High
Commissioner to Islamabad, most observers expect Lambah to be
"Natwar's Man." Former MP Kuldip Nayyar and journalist Zafar
Agha told us recently that Lambah would faithfully carry the
MEA's messages, but they did not believe he would have the
clout to untangle the inevitable logjams that crop up in this
relationship. He would probably find it difficult to
initiate policy unilaterally, which appears to be a suitable
match for his personality, they said. Having dealt with
Lambah extensively in recent years, we share this assessment
that he is unlikely to step out of the Foreign Minister's
which means he was remote controlled by Khangress from: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/05NE ... 073_a.html
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https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/971104 ... i-campaign
Audio leak suggests Bushra mastermind of PTI campaign
With the political situation heating up, new alleged audio of Bushra Bibi has emerged in which she is instructing the Focal Person to PTI Chairman on Digital Media Dr Arsalan Khalid to run trends declaring people as traitors
By News Desk, July 03, 2022

ISLAMABAD: With the political situation heating up, a new alleged audio of Imran Khan’s wife Bushra Bibi has emerged in which she is instructing the Focal Person to PTI Chairman on Digital Media Dr Arsalan Khalid to run trends declaring people as traitors.“Aleem Khan and others will [be] speaking out as per a plan, so you have to link them with traitor [hashtag]. You have to raise the [threat] letter on social media and say that we know the letter is authentic. We know that they gathered to betray [the country] and to save themselves they have joined the traitors,” Bushra instructed Dr Khalid.
After issuing the instructions, the former first lady asked Dr Khalid to instruct his team to take up the issue of the government not buying oil from Russia and link it with how Imran Khan was being betrayed.
“Now you have to ensure that [this issue] does not die down,” said Bushra. She instructed the former focal person of the prime minister on digital media to make a trend, so people know that the country and Imran Khan are being betrayed.
As per the audio, initially, the former first lady had expressed her disappointment with Dr Arsalan Khalid for the PTI’s social media team not being active these days. She also said that Dr Khalid and his team had run the traitor hashtag on social media on the instructions of former prime minister Imran Khan.
“Imran Khan asked you to [run] the traitor hashtag, so many people called, your social media was active and it has not been active for a week. Why is it [like this], beta?” asked Bushra.
Before Dr Khalid could explain himself, Bushra told him to let go of what happened, she then shared with him that Aleem Khan and others would speak up against Imran Khan, her, and her friend Farah Khan.
“They will create so many stories and will share people’s statements as well, you do not need to create an issue out of this [but] call them traitors on [social media],” directed the former first lady, to which Dr Khalid responded in the affirmative.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUmHTSw ... l=24NewsHD
Exclusive! Bushra Bibi Alleged Audio Leak With Arsalan Khalid
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Looks like a soosai bomber helped 9 paki soldiers get their 72 in N.Waziristan today. The pakis as usual have officially admitted 2 casualties but other media outlets have reported 9 dead and over 12 injured in the attack. If true then it opens questions about PA's supposed "truce" with TTP unless just as in 2008 a new TTP faction has raised.
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Vinu wrote:
Manish_P wrote:It is never ever the Bakis fault...
As long as Paxis continue to blame everyone else for their mess we all will do fine and they will stay irrelevant. But the moment they start to do right things then we will have lot to worry.
I am having a hard time imagining what “right things” might be when it comes to Bakis, let alone how they would evolve into a people that does them. The scenario doesn’t compute for me.

Anyone with any thoughts to help me with this scenario m?
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The realisation is slowly sinking in.
Why are Pakistan’s ‘friends’ fed up?
This is not the first time Pakistan faced such an economic crisis. The difference though in the past was that we did somehow manage to convince our friends to rescue us. According to renowned banker Yusaf Nazar, Pakistan had got more IMF bailout packages than any other country. This indicates that our external sector has always been vulnerable since no government, civilian or military, has ever tried to address the fundamental problems in our economy. The growth figures are often misleading. The economic survey of the last fiscal year shows Pakistan achieved 6% GDP growth despite all the challenges. There was growth in agriculture, services and large-scale manufacturing sectors. But despite those apparent positive indicators, Pakistan could not control the twin deficits related to budget and current account. The primary reason is that our growth as has often been the case is led by consumption and imports. Any growth not led by exports, investments and savings is bound to unravel.
We have now come to a stage where our friends as well as international lenders are no more listening to our same old stories. They realise we just want to live on dole-outs. The cycle of seeking financial bailout packages is also shrinking. For example, earlier if we go to our friends after 5 or 10 years, now that period has shrunk to just months. In October last year, Saudi Arabia extended a $4.2 billion package to the then PTI government. In a space of a few months, we exhausted those funds and are now looking for more help from Saudi Arabia and other countries. This recipe will not work anymore. Pakistan has to change its approach and that too quickly. Else the situation will only get worse!
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10 soldiers injured in North Waziristan suicide attack
NORTH WAZIRISTAN: At least 10 security personnel were injured, three of them seriously, when a suicide bomber attacked a convoy of security forces in North Waziristan tribal district on Monday.

Officials said the convoy was going from Mirali to Miramshah, the district headquarters, when a suicide bomber riding a motorcycle blew himself up near one of the vehicles. The attack was carried out near Khadi market in Mirali.

Deputy Commissioner Shahid Ali Khan confirmed the suicide attack on the convoy, saying 10 security personnel were wounded.

Earlier, a police official said 15 personnel were injured in the attack.
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KLNMurthy wrote:
Vinu wrote: As long as Paxis continue to blame everyone else for their mess we all will do fine and they will stay irrelevant. But the moment they start to do right things then we will have lot to worry.
I am having a hard time imagining what “right things” might be when it comes to Bakis, let alone how they would evolve into a people that does them. The scenario doesn’t compute for me.

Anyone with any thoughts to help me with this scenario m?
Let me give this a shot:
1. Stop promoting terrorism and separatists in other countries by any means - economic, military or moral. This will help towards long term normalization of economic relations with rest of the world.
2. Reduce the share of the budget allocated to defense forces in general and army in particular. Also stop extra budgetary support to the armed forces. eg gifting plots to retiring Defense personnel
3. Increase collection of Income taxes from richer folks; take and implement tax compliance measures more effectively.
4. Try and manufacture locally maximum no. of items that are imported, especially basic items such as foodgrains, trinkets etc.
5. Reduce proportion of students in madarassas (cannot stop it altogether, at least not in the short to medium term) and give them education that will make them more useful from a practical perspective, either as job-seekers or as entrepreneurs. Over a longer term, this will also give a better class of emigrants, who will have the potential to remit higher forex than the current low level labour emigrants.
6. Focus on few items where they are globally somewhat competitive and increase their production and exports. Items could be as diverse as donkeys and textiles. This will earn them valuable forex.
7. Use locally available resources better rather than importing costly substitutes. eg increase power generated from solar, increase coal powered plants (as there is some amt. of coal available in Pakistan: 300+ times of current annual consumption) and reduce dependence on imported gas generated power. Forex saved is forex earned.

All the above will not yield results overnight, but they need to start somewhere. Plus a sincere stab at these will make lenders more amenable to give loans.
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^ Whether Paxis like it or not IMF is forcing them to take right measures to recover their economy even if it takes long term.
My worry is the moment Paxis think they are stronger than India or India is in a weaker position even for a temporary moment they will show their true pakistanyt which will eventually result in loss of precious life on our side though they will end up with bloody nose.
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There are rumours floating around that IMF deal will have to be postponed and PKR has depreciated further against USD.
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James wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote: I am having a hard time imagining what “right things” might be when it comes to Bakis, let alone how they would evolve into a people that does them. The scenario doesn’t compute for me.

Anyone with any thoughts to help me with this scenario m?
Let me give this a shot:
1. Stop promoting terrorism and separatists in other countries by any means - economic, military or moral. This will help towards long term normalization of economic relations with rest of the world.
2. Reduce the share of the budget allocated to defense forces in general and army in particular. Also stop extra budgetary support to the armed forces. eg gifting plots to retiring Defense personnel
3. Increase collection of Income taxes from richer folks; take and implement tax compliance measures more effectively.
4. Try and manufacture locally maximum no. of items that are imported, especially basic items such as foodgrains, trinkets etc.
5. Reduce proportion of students in madarassas (cannot stop it altogether, at least not in the short to medium term) and give them education that will make them more useful from a practical perspective, either as job-seekers or as entrepreneurs. Over a longer term, this will also give a better class of emigrants, who will have the potential to remit higher forex than the current low level labour emigrants.
6. Focus on few items where they are globally somewhat competitive and increase their production and exports. Items could be as diverse as donkeys and textiles. This will earn them valuable forex.
7. Use locally available resources better rather than importing costly substitutes. eg increase power generated from solar, increase coal powered plants (as there is some amt. of coal available in Pakistan: 300+ times of current annual consumption) and reduce dependence on imported gas generated power. Forex saved is forex earned.

All the above will not yield results overnight, but they need to start somewhere. Plus a sincere stab at these will make lenders more amenable to give loans.
Thanks for the list.

My problem is that I can’t see any scenario in which Pakistan would do any of these things (pretend to do, enough to fool the goras, sure I can see that).

To do these things, some paki full of pakiness has to make a decision to do them, no? How can any of them possibly make such a decision, given who they are?

It is easy to say that a snake has to fly like a bird if it is to avoid being stepped on. But just by saying it, will a snake fly like a bird?

Philosophical dilemma onlee.
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tribune.com.pk/story/2364900/army-budget-trimmed-to-pave-way-for-imf-deal
AoA is this really happening or as usual Lahori Logic to fool the 'Eternal Idiots'!!(aka IMF and Unkil) :roll:
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KLNMurthy wrote:
It is easy to say that a snake has to fly like a bird if it is to avoid being stepped on. But just by saying it, will a snake fly like a bird?

Philosophical dilemma onlee.
Interesting point. That logic would be a no-brainer to the average person but strangely not to a Paki.

Pakis seem to think that everything can be managed by 'narrative building' and 'lobbying' without doing any of the actual work on the ground. And they have been in the past able to do just enough to fool the goras. Problem is that just fooling the goras won't solve their problems now, and goras are less inclined to be fooled after decades of being double-crossed.
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Baakistan is an artificial construct which was given on a platter to a bunch of ruthless exploitative gangs. It was , is and always will be a "resource" to be plundered by those having the biggest guns.
There is no binding force or spirit in Baakistan . To some extent, Islam can act as a cohesive force but it only goes well until there are spoils of any form to be gained. An Islamic façade is given to essentially the same exploitative gangs hell bent on plundering whatever common resources there are. Any checks and balances in the power struggle to exploit is made exclusively through violence. The lack of any spoils will result in the factions taking on each other.
There is no way in which Bakistan can recover from where it is today. The country will break up violently, there will be those who will loot the country and flee to Uk and Canada, there will be large scale civil and military unrest in the next 5 years, if not sooner resulting in death in the 1000s.
May the people of the country that has caused immense grief to us resort to cannibalism among its folk to survive the next day. May they slaughter each other and die horrible macabre deaths .
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