Terroristan - March 31, 2022

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Link to the previous thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7857

The following links are background material on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:

Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf
The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://pakistanfailedstate.blogspot.in/

Whither Pakistan ? Growing Instability and Implications for India: an IDSA e-Book, July 2010
http://idsa.in/book/WhitherPakistan

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pak's Continuing War against Indian Civilisation - Tufail Ahmad, Director South Asia Project, MEMRI
https://www.memri.org/reports/article-m ... vilization

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
LINK

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: The Subtle Subversion - Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://unesco.org.pk/education/teachere ... s/rp22.pdf

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

A modest proposal from a Pakistani Brigadier:
https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/i ... desman.htm
"We should fire at them and take out a few of their cities—Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta," he said. "They should fire back and take Karachi and Lahore. Kill off a hundred or two hundred million people......."
Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part I
http://pundita.blogspot.in/2009/12/alde ... art-1.html

Prof. Walter Russell Mead, "Pakistan's Failed National Strategy"
https://www.the-american-interest.com/2 ... -strategy/

"Pakistan Is", by Barry Bearak in New York Times Magazine, December 7, 2003.
Brings out succinctly various facets of Pakistani perfidy, obsession, fundamentalism etc.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/07/magaz ... an-is.html

Religion as the Foundation of a Nation: The Making and Unmaking of Pakistan - P.K. Upadhyay, IDSA
It probes the religious and sectarian fault-lines in Pakistan in depth to determine their impact on the future of Pakistan.
http://idsa.in/system/files/monograph36.pdf

Ms. Christine Fair's exposition on Pakistan military, society et al. A Must see.
Fighting to the End: Pakistan Army's Way of War

False Equivalency in the "Indo-Pakistan" Dispute - Ms. C. Fair, War on the Rocks, June, 2015

Shia-killing in Pakistan: Background and Predictions - A blog by Omar Ali

PAKISTAN, BANGLADESH and GENOCIDE:

24 years of exploitation created Bangladesh by Babar Ayaz, Daily Times, January 17, 2018

Image Scan of article on 1971 East Pakistan Genocide by Antony Mascarenhas, Former Asst. Editor, Morning News, Karachi in Sunday Times, London, June 13, 1971

Text scan of the above article on 1971 Genocide

Bangladesh Genocide Archive

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis by Sridhar N. Bharat Rakshak Monitor Vol 6(2) September-October 2003
LINK
Also available at: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1592160/posts

Cleansing Pakistan of Minorities by Farahnaz Ispahani, former Pakistani MP

Pakistan's Descent into Religious Intolerance by Farahnaz Ispahani, former Pakistani MP

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

List of military arms supplied by US to Pakistan since 9/11
http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/15/54/62/79/pakist10.jpg

Bhutto Picks Up The Pieces of Pakistan
By James P. Sterba, NYT, June 25, 1972

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Lashkar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
https://www.hudson.org/research/9867-th ... adi-groups

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Past Operations and Future Prospects, Stephen Tankel, April 2011
New America Foundation
http://carnegieendowment.org/2011/04/27 ... -pub-43802

Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part 2
http://pundita.blogspot.in/2009/12/alde ... -upon.html

BEYOND MADRASAS: ASSESSING THE LINKS BETWEEN EDUCATION AND MILITANCY IN PAKISTAN
https://www.brookings.edu/research/beyo ... -pakistan/

Pakistani Military Officers' Links with Jihadist Organizations
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5587.htm

Putting Our Children in Line of Fire - The Nation, January 27, 2013
The above is an admission by Pakistan Army's Top General that it was the Pakistani Army at Kargil, not the mujahideen, and Musharraf was the Culprit

Debate between a Taliban Scholar and a Paki Army Officer

PAKISTAN and NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION:

Pakistani nuclear scientist's accounts tell of Chinese proliferation - R. Jeffrey Smith and Joby Warrick, Washington Post, Nov 13, 2009

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in South Waziristan by Mansur Khan Mahsud, April 2010
http://www.operationspaix.net/DATA/DOCU ... ristan.pdf

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus, a book by Maloy Krishna Dhar
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)

MISCELLANEOUS

UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir

Gilgit Rebellion: The Major Who Mutinied Over Partition of India
A book on the events by Maj. William Brown, the mutineer himself.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

IDSA's weekly summary of Pak Urdu Press:

http://www.idsa.in/pup

Christine Fair :Ten fictions that pakistani defense officials love to peddle

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Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad”

A perceptive blog on Pakistan: http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

Declassified documents from US National Archives on Pakistan:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/pakistan.htm
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Admission of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistani authorities

see this Der Spigel Interview where Musharraf admits to that.

On 7th Nov in TimesNow Channel, Tasneem Noorani, a former Secretary of the Pakistani Interior Ministry, openly said that.

Kiyani called the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

In Dec. 2008, President Zardari himself admitted to ISI helping LeT. He said,"The links between the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency and the LeT were developed in the old days when dictators used to run the country. After the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, things have changed to a great extent"

In an address to bureaucrats in July 2009, President Zardari said: "Militants and extremists were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives. Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. The terrorists of today were the heroes of yesteryears until 9/11 occurred and they began to haunt us as well"

In Nov. 2009, Prime Minister Gilani admitted to the support for terrorism by Musharraf as "running with the hares and hunting with the hounds".

When Bush warned the Pakistanis in August 2008 of their support to Al Qaeda, Afrasiab Khattak, President of Awami National Party (ANP) said this: "The question is why it has taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing. We’ve been telling them for years but they wouldn’t buy it.". See here.

In an interview to the BBC as far back as on Feb. 13, 1994, Benazir Bhutto admitted how she handed over to Rajiv Gandhi the complete list of Sikh activists colluding with the ISI in terrorism in the Punjab. Later, Nawaz Sharif described this interview as a faux pas.

Apart from these, of course, numerous Pakistani commentators, analysts, and editors have openly admitted to terror as a state policy.
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Why Did Pakistan's Spy Chief Make a Secret Trip to China?

Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance—a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties. A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.

Chinese officials claimed the attacks in Kashgar were authored by the shadowy East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a jihadist organization of mostly ethnic Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority that comprises the majority in the far-western Chinese region of Xinjiang. China routinely invokes the specter of the terrorist threat when cracking down on dissent in the restive region. Yet disturbances there tend to be triggered more often by social discontent — many Uighurs chafe at state policies they deem discriminatory and marginalizing — than militant connivance. Pasha's presence in Beijing may mark Beijing's continued efforts to root out Uighur dissidents and sympathizers beyond China's borders, as it has already done in Kazakhstan.

Youtube video: Bilatakalluf with Tahif Gora: Tarek Fateh dissects with Pakjabi society and shows how its war-impotent Army loots the common Pakistani (Jan 13, 2012)

Terroristan - Land of Pure Terror - Right to Reply of India by Eenam Gambhir (First Secretary in the Permanent Mission of India to the United Nations in New York) at the 71st Session of the UN General Assembly:



Harpreet 's Blog

State Sponsored Radicalization in Pakistan’s School Curriculum:

https://t.co/sxDjL696YV
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While we are dismissing the imbecile Niazi and understandably looking for some real action and more drama in al porkistan, what if his allegations about US giving an ultimatum to the establishment for his removal is true ? I guess where i am going with my thought is (1) what would prompt US to seek a change in Islamabad especially given how little porkistan matters to the world affairs these days ? and (2) If US still yields so much influence in pindi that they can have the PM sacked or a soft-coup staged with a wire from a low level state dept bureaucrat, arent the chinese living in some sort of a fantasy land thinking it is them who have the molecular sized gonads of porkistan in their hands ?

If what Immy says is true then i feel his visit to Moscow was likely not sanctioned by Pindi but the attention seeker with a large ego in him made him go ahead with the trip anyways. We are fast approaching a very interesting juncture in pakistan's history where there's a great potential of fireworks no matter what happens next - If Immy survives then there'll be an open season between the ISI faction under Faiz and rest of baki army under Bajwa. If Bajwa prevails, then the hungry awam may well take it out on the khakis this time with support from anti-Bajwa faction of the army ! And imagine all the juicy bits Immy may spill once he is in his luxury flat in London ! While all this is happening, TTP has just announced their spring offensive and have already hit 10 targets dispatching 8 porki soldiers to meet their 72s.
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Its rare to see bajwa saluting dimran..see it here at slow speed 0.25X, around 0.08 s
https://youtu.be/6ioSgxn3j0s
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The lamppost outside dimarn's house
waiting like a newly wed spouse
the noose swinging long and hard
hoping to get it's just reward
the handsome PM waiting for the call
from the khakis squeezing his remaining ball
soggy popcorn silently crying
waiting for dimran to start swinging
Does bajwa have no shame
making us wait so long for this game
its not fair making us wait
quickly seal dimran's fate
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:rotfl:
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https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/946050 ... s-diminish
The federal capital was abuzz with rumours of back-door contacts for finding out a respectable exit for Prime Minister Imran Khan after his chances of surviving the no-confidence resolution further diminished on Wednesday.

Some ‘sources’ said that one option for the prime minister was reaching a deal with the opposition with the promise of early elections if they withdraw the no-confidence motion against him.

According to sources, this option was presented to the PM some time back, with an assurance from the powers-that-be that the opposition parties could be persuaded to withdraw the no-trust motion if the government announces early elections, soon after presentation of the budget.

However, at that time, PM Khan had rejected that option outright.
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putnanja wrote:The lamppost outside dimarn's house
waiting like a newly wed spouse
the noose swinging long and hard
hoping to get it's just reward
the handsome PM waiting for the call
from the khakis squeezing his remaining ball
soggy popcorn silently crying
waiting for dimran to start swinging
Does bajwa have no shame
making us wait so long for this game
its not fair making us wait
quickly seal dimran's fate
Brilliant! This needs to go viral!
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Based on KP local body election results (Source: Yawn) Kapton Dim is still famous among masses.
If he returns with full majority on his own a double century or even a treble century against evil USD is eminent.
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Here's how Pakistan Army runs Rs 1.5 lakh crore business.
It has been more that 75-years since Pakistan got its independence in August 1947. During these years, the Pakistan Army has not just been actively involved in the country's politics and governance but also has been running more than 50 big businesses in the country. Pakistan Army is perhaps the only military establishment in the world to own a business empire within the nation.

Pakistan Army engages in business activities under these four names - Army Welfare Trust, Military Foundation, Shaheen Foundation and Bahria Foundation. All these businesses are done under the ambit of Ministry of Defence. According to official documents presented in the Parliament, the Pakistan Army runs a business of more than Rs 1.5 lakh crores.

Unlike other countries, the Pakistani Army is the biggest business house of the nation. This is the main reason why the Pakistan Army has a say in the politics of the nation and interferes in the governance. Since the nation came into existence in 1947, around 72 military officers above the rank of Major have been suspended on accounts of corruption cases.

During Imran Khan's tenure as the Prime Minister, investigations are being conducted on 6 military officers on charges of corruption. The gravity of the situation can be understood by the fact that only last week, Prime Minister Imran Khan, during a rally, taking on the Pakistan Army, mockingly said that the Indian Army was free of corruption.

Retired officers trust
The Defence Ministry of Pakistan has establisted trusts for all the military wings of the country. Military Foundation, Army Welfare Trust and Shaheen Foundation is for the welfare of retired armed forces personnel. The Bahria Foundation is for the welfare of the retired naval officers of the country.

The profits from the businesses is distributed among the share holders from the retired military personnel.

Rs 2 lakh crore worth property in 8 cities
The Pakistan Army has a command over Defence Housing Authority (DHA) in 8 cities across the country. These cities include Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Karachi, Lahore, Multan, Gujranwala, Bahawalpur, Peshawar and Quetta.

Along with cantt area, in posh areas of the prominent cities, Pakistan Army allots lands. The army has more than Rs 2 lakh crore worth property.

Swiss Bank accounts of 25 retired army officers
According to Credit Suisse report of October 2021, at least 25 retired officers of the Pakistan Army have Swiss Bank accounts. There is around Rs 80,000 crore undeclared assets deposited in these accounts. This includes the account of former ISI Chief Akhtar Abdur Rahman Khan, in whose account Rs 15,000 crore is deposited. It also includes the accounts of other military officers.

Pizza chain
Pakistan Army Quetta Corps Lieutenant General Asim Saleem Bajwa, who is known as General Papa John's, has invested around Rs 22,000 crore in America's popular pizza chain Papa John's in the name of his family members.

Former Pakistan Army Chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani's two brothers were involved in the Rs 15,000 crores Islamabad housing scandal.

Opium business
During 1980s, in Afghanistan, the financial assistance provided by the United States to the Mujahideen fighters was mostly looted by former ISI Chief Asad Durrani. It is claimed that Durrani involved Pakistan Army and ISI spies in the business of opium production.

Later during an investigation, around Rs 2,000 crores of undeclared assets were found in the Swiss account of Asad Durrani.
See - Our Porki Officers are so smart. Look at their 'Jazbaa' in becoming so rich. These are figures that your short, dark, Kafir officers can only dream of.
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Vips wrote:
Unlike other countries, the Pakistani Army is the biggest business house of the nation. This is the main reason why the Pakistan Army has a say in the politics of the nation and interferes in the governance.
The author has mistakenly put the cart ahead of the horse. The Pakistan army is able.to run these massive mafia empires because it has an unnaturally large say in politics, which gives them unrivalled access to resources like free land, no interest loans that are never repaid, etc. to run these business empires. This is the fundamental reason they will never agree to peace with India. If there was peace, they will not hold their privileged place in politics, and hence their corrupt business empires would not be possible.
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It looks like Imran Khan is going in for a full on confrontation. Even after losing majority support, he has still not resigned. Doubling down on interviews and accusations. Latest report says he consulted his legal team regarding filing sedition cases against opposition for conspiring against his Govt :D

Go Imran Go!
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He has not technically lost the majority (yet). Last heard the voting has been deferred once again until April 3rd. Even the "iron brothel" is out to pull the pajamas of pakis in public ! Blue tick Cheeni journalists are posting alleged letter from Biden to Imran and how much of a disappointment Im the dim has been ! However, looking at the alleged letter more closely it is most likely a chinese fake ! Although why the official chinese journos who are mouthpieces of CCP out to humiliate the pakis i do not know ! For all you know it may have been the iron brothels who are gunning for Immy's head and not unkil.
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partha wrote:It looks like Imran Khan is going in for a full on confrontation. Even after losing majority support, he has still not resigned. Doubling down on interviews and accusations. Latest report says he consulted his legal team regarding filing sedition cases against opposition for conspiring against his Govt :D

Go Imran Go!
I support Dimran 400%

Thanks to him, Pakistan's dekhnomoney is in Pakistan, got themselves into FATF and the space for their shenanigans has reduced.

Also, his 400% tactical brilliance in foreign policty -- Piss off everyone who is giving Pakistan money, is giving me great joy.

If he had been a little bit accommodating, perhaps we'd still be doing chai-biskoot about JK and issuing joint statements instead of scraping article 370. Full credits to dimran there.

If he had been a little bit more wily, perhaps we'd still be issuing protests and demarches from Unkil and EU about hyooman rights in Cashmere. Instead he kept everyone busy cozying up to the taliban. Full credits to Dimran there too.

All in all, from India's point of view, Dimran has been a great PM for Pakistan. I wish him long life, good health and 20 more years in power.

I hope he survives the no-trust vote, and bankrupts all Chinese banks who have given loans for CPEC.
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Any chance for Lord Faw Faw to become wazir(chaprasi)-e-Azam
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Anujan wrote: I support Dimran 400%
Absolutely. We should support the skipper.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1682900/pm-im ... -elections
PM Imran says 'establishment' gave him three options: resignation, no-confidence vote or elections
I hope he uses the fourth option and sacks the army chief. It may happen considering he has the support of former ISI chief.
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Atmavik wrote:Any chance for Lord Faw Faw to become wazir(chaprasi)-e-Azam
Someone who can speak good English and can parrot the army's talking points convincingly to the western press will be preferred by the selectors.
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Bhat r u saying . Lord Faw Faw can’t speak pingreji.. then it is Gaddi nasheen Qureshi .. or maybe Sheik chilli
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Ambar wrote:He has not technically lost the majority (yet). Last heard the voting has been deferred once again until April 3rd. Even the "iron brothel" is out to pull the pajamas of pakis in public ! Blue tick Cheeni journalists are posting alleged letter from Biden to Imran and how much of a disappointment Im the dim has been ! However, looking at the alleged letter more closely it is most likely a chinese fake ! Although why the official chinese journos who are mouthpieces of CCP out to humiliate the pakis i do not know ! For all you know it may have been the iron brothels who are gunning for Immy's head and not unkil.
That fake letter was written by a PTI Youthiya and was circulated initially by Youthiyas. If the Chinese are tweeting it, it means that they are supporting Dimran.
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https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/946657 ... ign-policy
PM Imran Khan praises Indian PM Narendra Modi’s foreign policy
LAHORE: Imran Khan praised Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s foreign policy while addressing a public rally in Malakand, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

He said, “I would like to praise our neighbouring country Hindustan for its foreign policy. India’s foreign policy is free and independent, and its only aim is for the betterment of its own people.

The people and political leaders of Pakistan were themselves surprised when they watched their prime minister praising India’s foreign policy before a crowd of thousands of supporters. It is amusing to note that Imran Khan, who, at one point of time, used to deride Narendra Modi as Hitler and Nazi leader at international forums, has now praised his foreign policy, at a time when his government is on the verge of collapse.
On Monday, Indian Foreign Secretary Harshvardhan Shringla reacted to Khan’s remark by saying, “India has received across the board praise from different countries for its foreign policy, and our record speaks for itself. It would be wrong to say that only one leader has praised India’s foreign policy.”

India’s policy was finely tuned. It did not openly oppose Russia but also refrained from openly supporting the Russian attack. Similarly, India did not publicly oppose the stand taken by the West, and instead called for an immediate cessation of hostilities and resumption of dialogue, between Russia and Ukraine.

Though India has allied with America and is part of the Quad alliance, India is neutral on the Ukraine-Russia war issue. India has decided to import crude oil from Russia despite US sanctions. The manner in which Prime Minister Modi pursued a neutral foreign policy during the Russia-Ukraine war and kept India’s own interest as paramount, speaks for itself. Modi did not come under pressure from the US and the Western countries. In contrast, Narendra Modi did not kowtow to any big power to get favours for India, nor did it India come under any pressure, even when it purchased S-400 missiles from Russia, despite US sanctions.

On the contrary, Modi established friendly relations with countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Oman and Jordan, which were traditional friends of Pakistan. Saudi Arabia has stopped giving loans to Pakistan, and UAE has stopped raising the Kashmir issue despite prodding from Pakistan.

Most of the Islamic nations have now changed their attitude towards India and the situation has come to such a pass that even opposition leaders in Pakistan have now started asking their Prime Minister not to give Modi’s examples. These opposition leaders allege that the world is now laughing at Pakistan because of Imran Khan’s incompetence.
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partha wrote:
On Monday, Indian Foreign Secretary Harshvardhan Shringla reacted to Khan’s remark by saying, “India has received across the board praise from different countries for its foreign policy, and our record speaks for itself. It would be wrong to say that only one leader has praised India’s foreign policy.”

India’s policy was finely tuned. It did not openly oppose Russia but also refrained from openly supporting the Russian attack. Similarly, India did not publicly oppose the stand taken by the West, and instead called for an immediate cessation of hostilities and resumption of dialogue, between Russia and Ukraine.

Though India has allied with America and is part of the Quad alliance, India is neutral on the Ukraine-Russia war issue. India has decided to import crude oil from Russia despite US sanctions. The manner in which Prime Minister Modi pursued a neutral foreign policy during the Russia-Ukraine war and kept India’s own interest as paramount, speaks for itself. Modi did not come under pressure from the US and the Western countries. In contrast, Narendra Modi did not kowtow to any big power to get favours for India, nor did it India come under any pressure, even when it purchased S-400 missiles from Russia, despite US sanctions.

On the contrary, Modi established friendly relations with countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Oman and Jordan, which were traditional friends of Pakistan. Saudi Arabia has stopped giving loans to Pakistan, and UAE has stopped raising the Kashmir issue despite prodding from Pakistan.

Most of the Islamic nations have now changed their attitude towards India and the situation has come to such a pass that even opposition leaders in Pakistan have now started asking their Prime Minister not to give Modi’s examples. These opposition leaders allege that the world is now laughing at Pakistan because of Imran Khan’s incompetence.
Indian policy is not neutral, its Indian interests first. I wish MSM makes this clear...
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Any chance of voting aaj?
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partha wrote:
Anujan wrote: I support Dimran 400%
Absolutely. We should support the skipper.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1682900/pm-im ... -elections
PM Imran says 'establishment' gave him three options: resignation, no-confidence vote or elections
I hope he uses the fourth option and sacks the army chief. It may happen considering he has the support of former ISI chief.
after which only one queschun will remain to be answered


जनाजा की नमाज कैसे पढ़ते हैं?

go imran go, will quickly change to gone imran gone, like in "d-e-d" ded on lamp post onlee
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Ambar wrote:While we are dismissing the imbecile Niazi and understandably looking for some real action and more drama in al porkistan, what if his allegations about US giving an ultimatum to the establishment for his removal is true ? I guess where i am going with my thought is (1) what would prompt US to seek a change in Islamabad especially given how little porkistan matters to the world affairs these days ? and (2) If US still yields so much influence in pindi that they can have the PM sacked or a soft-coup staged with a wire from a low level state dept bureaucrat, arent the chinese living in some sort of a fantasy land thinking it is them who have the molecular sized gonads of porkistan in their hands ?

If what Immy says is true then i feel his visit to Moscow was likely not sanctioned by Pindi but the attention seeker with a large ego in him made him go ahead with the trip anyways. We are fast approaching a very interesting juncture in pakistan's history where there's a great potential of fireworks no matter what happens next - If Immy survives then there'll be an open season between the ISI faction under Faiz and rest of baki army under Bajwa. If Bajwa prevails, then the hungry awam may well take it out on the khakis this time with support from anti-Bajwa faction of the army ! And imagine all the juicy bits Immy may spill once he is in his luxury flat in London ! While all this is happening, TTP has just announced their spring offensive and have already hit 10 targets dispatching 8 porki soldiers to meet their 72s.
After Bajwa's press conference today, my gut feeling may have been right all along that Im the Dim's rapid decline began after this attention seeking clown went to Russia on his own p1ssing off the establishment and unkil. In his impromptu but scripted press conference, Bajwa called Russia's action an "invasion resulting in millions of refugees and thousands of deaths". Looks like tattered and battered paki civvy govt now have issued a statement saying Bajwa's words are his own and not the official stand of al bakistan.

If ISI is with Bajwa then lamp post or London it is for Im the Dim this weekend, but if ISI is not with Bajwa then it gets a whole lot more interesting !
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The Xiden administration is seeking a reproachment with Pak knowing the Chinese have failed to deliver, but can’t do it with Imran. If Imran is gone, the deck is clear to resestablish military relations in the form of several hundred million in aid per year. Bajwa knows this and hence his comments. Both the US and China are going to have Pakistanis fight each other for supremacy.
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Iron brother seems to be supporting IK while TSPA, at least a faction, is trying to please unkil by ousting him. There is another neutral faction of TSPA kept in reserve in case the Chinese end up winning. This can become interesting if US and China are going to fight through their own proxies within TSP.
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Dilbu wrote:Iron brother seems to be supporting IK while TSPA, at least a faction, is trying to please unkil by ousting him. There is another neutral faction of TSPA kept in reserve in case the Chinese end up winning. This can become interesting if US and China are going to fight through their own proxies within TSP.
At this time I don't know which side to support. Unkil lures them like a cheap whore to stacks of $100 notes, and will discard them when not needed. The Chinese penetrate them for free in return for a few trinkets while becoming the main pimp.
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I think the choice is quite simple, Immy should prevail . If the idiot stays as the PM then the carefully crafted but now completely stained image of paki army will further tarnish. It is in India's interest to see the paki establishment weaken and their bhooka awaam to call the khakis as traitors of shantidoots which is exactly what is happening today.
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please join me in prayer for Pakistan.
May the mighty one give strength to Dim to fight against old PMs and their party.
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Ambar wrote:I think the choice is quite simple, Immy should prevail . If the idiot stays as the PM then the carefully crafted but now completely stained image of paki army will further tarnish. It is in India's interest to see the paki establishment weaken and their bhooka awaam to call the khakis as traitors of shantidoots which is exactly what is happening today.
That’s probably true and unkil will walk away. However, the PLA may undermine next PM if he’s not in their camp. I think we’re in for some Pak fireworks whichever way this goes.
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Paki elections are anyway due in 18 months. If they wanted, the US or Paki Army or whoever wants Imran gone could have waited for that time and then rigged the election in the time honoured Paki way.

This type of No Confidence etc is politically a messy matter. What did Im the Dim do that makes this political cost worth bearing? Must have been something really bad for Bajwa…
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Shaktimaan wrote:Paki elections are anyway due in 18 months. If they wanted, the US or Paki Army or whoever wants Imran gone could have waited for that time and then rigged the election in the time honoured Paki way.

This type of No Confidence etc is politically a messy matter. What did Im the Dim do that makes this political cost worth bearing? Must have been something really bad for Bajwa…
It's simple, and obvious. He has run the economy into the ground and there is massive anger on the street due to basic necessities being unaffordable. Unlike previously where the generals were responsible but the politicians took the blame, this time they are blaming the army rather than Imran. There is an undercurrent of huge outrage and anger against the 'establishment' because of their blatant 'selection' and propping up of Imran, though their media censors most of this.
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Shaktimaan wrote:Paki elections are anyway due in 18 months. If they wanted, the US or Paki Army or whoever wants Imran gone could have waited for that time and then rigged the election in the time honoured Paki way.

This type of No Confidence etc is politically a messy matter. What did Im the Dim do that makes this political cost worth bearing? Must have been something really bad for Bajwa…
I think this has more to do with the sucession of Bajwa. Bajwa is scheduled to go in Nov 22 and IK in 2023. IK has already shown that he is not that compliant with the Army diktat with the delay in the appointment of ISI chief. IK will get to choose from 3 names, the deal is being done with Sharif who the next chief will be. The army does not trust IK to follow through because he will put his 'chamcha' Faiz in the seat. I am sure the army is also putting enough safe guards (like offering that the next general may agree to allow Nawaz back). Remember that there are enough indications that when IK was busy dancing with Natashas in Russia, Bajwa was breaking bread with Nawaz. This No Confidence is nothing but retaliation for the ISI chief goof up.
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Ambar wrote:........In his impromptu but scripted press conference, Bajwa called Russia's action an "invasion resulting in millions of refugees and thousands of deaths". Looks like tattered and battered paki civvy govt now have issued a statement saying Bajwa's words are his own and not the official stand of al bakistan.

If ISI is with Bajwa then lamp post or London it is for Im the Dim this weekend, but if ISI is not with Bajwa then it gets a whole lot more interesting !
Despite my years knowing of and learning about Pa'astan, despite their history of mind bending shenanigans they get to, I'm still struggling to believe that the head of the armed forces has publicly, directly and forcefully contradicted the elected government's and the Prime Minister's stated position on a matter of national and international importance. :rotfl:

Unkil surely has Bajwa's testimonials in cupped and squeezing hands.

Anyway happy days are here again and this thread will once again start to rock.
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Shaktimaan wrote:Paki elections are anyway due in 18 months. If they wanted, the US or Paki Army or whoever wants Imran gone could have waited for that time and then rigged the election in the time honoured Paki way.

This type of No Confidence etc is politically a messy matter. What did Im the Dim do that makes this political cost worth bearing? Must have been something really bad for Bajwa…
Ousting a PM through a no confidence vote will be a useful tool for Army/ISI to squeeze the testimonials/mammary glands of a future gaddi-nashin Porki.

May arrah grant more power to the Army/ISI :mrgreen:
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A bit od discretion bite. Let's call it "full body testimonials squeez". :mrgreen:
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Zalmay Khalilzad met Bajwa day before the Islamabad conference and offered help to repair ties with US. The next day Bajwa at the conference condemns Russia and is all set to dismiss Imran Khan's govt who tried to deal with Russia. May be Zalmay Khalilzad just delivered a list of conditions to Bajwa from Biden admin to set the ties back on track. Considering US is struggling to make India fall in line regarding Russia, is US trying to once again prop up Pakistan to keep India in check? We will soon find out I guess.
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^^ our regular entertainment is back . Start the coup watch …
The only downside for us is if sharifs are back then they will start a dialogue process with India but then the next Army chief might be a Tafta Cammandu like Mushy
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Bajwa's public castigation of Russia has interesting implications. It appears to be tactical brilliance but it has done several things:
1> Validated Imran's assertion that the Americans were trying to remove him (probably not true and just him playing the victim card but in the eyes of the Paki public it would have convinced a lot of fence sitters, apart from his youthiya fan following).
2> Opened up further schisms in Pakistani society and even in the establishment, that are bound to fester and cause issues over time.
3> Validated Imran's recent veiled criticisms of the establishment (in the guise of criticizing Musharraf) along the lines of 'these guys will sell their mothers for American money' in the eyes of the public
4> Proven categorically to the Russians that they are unreliable and useless as potential partner.
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What about the Chinese - what will be their reaction to Porkis trying to follow American diktats?
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Many months back, "sources familiar with Bajwa's thinking" (actually it is Bajwa himself in disguise wearing fake mustache and sunglasses) told everyone that Pakistan is ready to sell out China if US Pakistan relationship got back on track.

I am sure a list of demands came attached (more anti tank missiles, drones, F16, Money)

I'm also sure that if US agrees to everything, 3 years from now, "sources close to Bajwa" will tell everyone that Pakistan is ready to sell out the US if China Pakistan relation is back on track and send china a list of demands.
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