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I am impressed at the ubermensch Chinaman-he gets Covid by the million but he just don't die. Okay perhaps three according to today's Ministry of Truth figures.


Please do read the comments in this piece by Wion.






And here here are those three bodies being cremated over and over again.

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So what happened in Cheen. Why zero COVID policy and why there is an outbreak when the whole world has recovered and COVID is not at issue at all?

Chinese vaccine didnt work?
This is just Chinese way to create capacities and framework for readiness in future against something like this?
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The law of unintended consequences. Lock downs rendered the population susceptible because of low herd immunity.

And yes the Chinese vaccines are poorly protective. Further the 80+ age group is inadequately dosed with the Chinese vaccine, such as it is.

But the Chinese are a superior race. So we should not be too concerned.
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sanjaykumar wrote:The law of unintended consequences. Lock downs rendered the population susceptible because of low herd immunity.

And yes the Chinese vaccines are poorly protective. Further the 80+ age group is inadequately dosed with the Chinese vaccine, such as it is.

But the Chinese are a superior race. So we should not be too concerned.

What a natural ally of Pakistan, pakis don’t get aids and cheenis don’t get covid
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https://news.sky.com/story/crematoriums ... y-12771420


Crematoriums guarded by police as China fights to hide true toll of failed zero-COVID policy

Dongjiao crematorium to the east of the city was busy. Ambulances arriving, grieving relatives gathered round and a queue of vans carrying the coffins.

It's been reported that this crematorium has been specifically designated for COVID deaths - strange in a country that has officially reported just eight in nearly seven months.
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Dongjiao crematorium is busy even first thing in the morning
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/19/china/ch ... index.html
On Monday, Chinese health authorities announced two Covid deaths, both in the capital Beijing, which is grappling with its worst outbreak since the start of the pandemic.
An employee at a funeral home on the outskirts of Beijing told CNN they were swamped by the long queues for cremation, and customers would need to wait until at least the next day to cremate their loved ones.
:roll: Guess both the families had to wait for cremation.
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As Covid brews in China, will the Indian army return the favour for Galwan?

To send a message.



At any rate India needs to ban entry of anybody domiciled in China, as well as passengers transient through Chinese ports.

An immunologically naive population has reset the clock. It may possibly select for more virulent strains like the original delta. With several strains in circulation now, recombination events in vivo may producing something truly horrific.
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China’s sinovac vaccine after 2 doses gives a coin toss of protection about 0.5 in the over 60 age group. Perhaps 30% of the elderly are vaccinated.

The claim is 90 % of the Chinese population has been vaccinated. This is almost certainly another fiction, something the Chinese are not particularly good at. There is major vaccine hesitancy in China given the record of harmful and spurious practices involving foods to previous vaccines.

Sinovac gives poor protection to over 60s.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... g-about-it

Things do not look good.
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https://t.co/0kxVl1KCHr?s=35


https://www.livescience.com/covid-what- ... riant-bf-7

BF.7 variant of omicron is spreading in China

"BF.7 is a new version of the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 that's driving a surge of infection in China."


Since the COVID variant omicron emerged in late 2021, it has rapidly evolved into multiple subvariants(opens in new tab). One subvariant, BF.7, has recently been identified as the main variant spreading in Beijing(opens in new tab), and is contributing to a wider surge of COVID infections in China.

But what is this new variant, and should we be worried? Although reports from China(opens in new tab) about this variant's characteristics are concerning, it doesn't appear to be growing too much elsewhere in the world. Here's what we know.

BF.7, short for BA.5.2.1.7, is a sub-lineage of the omicron variant BA.5.

Reports from China indicate BF.7 has the strongest infection ability(opens in new tab) out of the omicron subvariants in the country, being quicker to transmit than other variants, having a shorter incubation period, and with greater capacity to infect people who have had a previous COVID infection, or been vaccinated, or both.

To put this into context, BF.7 is believed to have an R0, or basic reproduction number, of 10 to 18.6(opens in new tab). This means an infected person will transmit the virus to an average of 10 to 18.6 other people. Research has shown omicron has an average R0 of 5.08(opens in new tab).


The high transmission rate of BF.7, taken with the risk of hidden spread due to the many asymptomatic carriers(opens in new tab), is understood to be causing significant difficulty in controlling the epidemic in China.


The symptoms(opens in new tab) of an infection with BF.7 are similar to those associated with other omicron subvariants, primarily upper respiratory symptoms. Patients may have a fever, cough, sore throat, runny nose and fatigue, among other symptoms. A minority of people can also experience gastrointestinal symptoms like vomiting and diarrhoea.

BF.7 may well cause more serious illness in people with weaker immune systems.


Those with weaker immune systems may be hit harder by the omicron subvariant BF.7. (Image credit: Shutterstock)

BF.7'S MUTATIONS

As omicron has evolved, we've seen the emergence of new subvariants better able to escape immunity(opens in new tab) from vaccination or prior infection. BF.7 is no different.

BF.7 carries a specific mutation, R346T(opens in new tab), in the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 (a protein on the surface of the virus that allows it to attach to and infect our cells). This mutation, which we also see in BF.7's "parent" variant BA.5(opens in new tab), has been linked with enhancing the capacity of the virus to escape neutralising antibodies generated by vaccines or previous infection.

A recent study(opens in new tab) examined the neutralisation of BF.7 in sera (a component of blood that should contain antibodies) from triple-vaccinated healthcare workers, as well as patients infected during the omicron BA.1 and BA.5 waves of the pandemic. BF.7 was resistant to neutralisation, driven partly by the R346T mutation.


BF.7 AROUND THE WORLD

BF.7 has been detected in several other countries around the world including India(opens in new tab), the U.S(opens in new tab)., the U.K. and several European countries(opens in new tab) such as Belgium, Germany, France and Denmark(opens in new tab).

Despite BF.7's immune-evasive characteristics, and worrying signs about its growth in China, the variant seems to be remaining fairly steady elsewhere. For example, in the U.S. it was estimated to account for 5.7% of infections(opens in new tab) up to December 10, down from 6.6% the week prior.


While the U.K. Health Security Agency identified BF.7 as one of the most concerning variants in terms of both growth and neutralisation data in a technical briefing(opens in new tab) published in October (it accounted for over 7% of cases at that time), the most recent briefing(opens in new tab) says BF.7 has been de-escalated due to reduced incidence and low growth rates in the U.K.


We don't know exactly why the situation looks different in China. BF.7's high R0 might be due in part to a low level of immunity(opens in new tab) in the Chinese population from previous infection, and possibly vaccination too. We should, of course, be cautious about the data from China as it's based on reports, not peer-reviewed evidence yet.

AN EVOLVING VIRUS

Since the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 three years ago, the virus has continued to evolve(opens in new tab), acquiring genetic mutations more rapidly than expected.

The emergence of BF.7 and other new variants is concerning. But vaccination is still the best weapon we have to fight COVID. And the recent approval by the U.K. drugs regulator of bivalent boosters(opens in new tab), which target omicron alongside the original strain of SARS-CoV-2, is very promising.

This article is republished from The Conversation(opens in new tab) under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article(opens in new tab).
AmberG, Why is R346T in BF.7 making it more contagious when the same is in BA.5 its ancestor?

Thanks if you know the answer.
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Is it too early to know, if this varient can spread in a vaccinated population?

I don't mind being called a conspiracy theorist.

But this is too convenient, that a wannabe Mao (Xi) gives in to street protests. Withdrawing zero COVID policy. Just when the rest of the world is hitting it's post COVID stride.

Especially when contracted with the way the first wave spread in the world.
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FWIW:
India's Risk Surveillance Center analyzed China's covid trajectory -- (of interest especially after Omicron it started spreading very fast there).
We, of course, don't know the whole picture as data is lacking.. but few impressions..

- China has been in the news due to a very strict, and extended lockdowns The country has been following a Zero-COVID policy with the aim of not allowing the infection to spread. The approach was called a success until Omicron arrived and caused the numbers to rise sharply.

- SUTRA simulation of the COVID-19 trajectory in China has been carried out only from March 2022. The reason is lack of any data ..apart from reported cases ( less than 0.007% of the total population for an extended period) being extremely unreliable the absence of a nationwide serosurvey. Sutra needs this - Sutra can work will little fuzzy data but not that fuzzy. Few assumptions were made.. but it became clear..
-- It is clear that the reach (rho parameter in SUTRA) was very low before the arrival of Omicron. When a fast spreading mutant-like Omicron entered the population, there was a large population available to infect, which resulted in a large-scale increase of daily infections, which in
turn caused the Chinese authorities to resort to a very stringent lockdown.
. This suggests that the pandemic is nowhere close to being over in China.( There was a large drop ( in May or so)t but the numbers
are likely to rise again. A difficult time lies ahead for the country.

- The new variant (BF.7) is *much* more infective -- (Some estimates of R factor close to 15) -- immunity from previous infection is very low and anyway reach is still quite low (this means large part of the population is still unexposed, and thus susceptible ) --and their vaccines are nearly ineffective.

It is scary time there.
(I heard from a reputable Chinese scientist who is in China and shared some data - they are not reporting all the deaths/cases but numbers are *extremely* high)
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Amber G. wrote:
It is scary time there.
(I heard from a reputable Chinese scientist who is in China and shared some data - they are not reporting all the deaths/cases but numbers are *extremely* high)
Amber ji, with china removing zero covid policy, opening up for free flow of people will it affect rest of the world? Do we see another world wide lockdown?
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The repeated incursions from Occupied Tibet into India are CCP's failed attempt to divert the anger of Chinese against CCP. China Army tried a diversion but failed pathetically. Wuhan virus (Covid) clearly is taking a massive toll in China.
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krithivas wrote:The repeated incursions from Occupied Tibet into India are CCP's failed attempt to divert the anger of Chinese against CCP. China Army tried a diversion but failed pathetically. Wuhan virus (Covid) clearly is taking a massive toll in China.
What if Covid is a diversion, and real reason is to gage the preparation n escalation process.
Never underestimate the enemy.
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Folks please stick to the topic.

It is about Covid-19 resurgence in China.
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AmberG
-- It is clear that the reach (rho parameter in SUTRA) was very low before the arrival of Omicron. 1) When a fast spreading mutant-like Omicron entered the population, 2) there was a large population available to infect, 3) which resulted in a large-scale increase of daily infections, 4) which in turn caused the Chinese authorities to resort to a very stringent lockdown.

. This suggests that the pandemic is nowhere close to being over in China. ( There was a large drop ( in May or so)t but the numbers
are likely to rise again. A difficult time lies ahead for the country.

- 5) The new variant (BF.7) is *much* more infective -- (Some estimates of R factor close to 15) -- 6) immunity from the previous infection is very low and 7) anyway reach is still quite low (this means a large part of the population is still unexposed, and thus susceptible ) --8)and their vaccines are nearly ineffective.
So in this round, BF.7 which is a further mutation of Omicron is spreading as to be expected.
- Chinese vaccines being ineffective is irrelevant as even mRNA vaccines are also ineffective.
- Means if this BF-7 lands in US it will spread quite fast.
- In India, the double dose numbers are quite high and if the Indian vaccines are good should not see a repeat of the April 2021 Second Wave.

The important point is how deadly is this variant BF.7? is it just hospitalizations or leading to death?

Chatter says most Chinese are being given ibuprofen and paracetamol which means it is not deadly.
It will fill the hospitals and cause Oxygen shortage.

In fact, XJP could double down on lockdown as this spread confirms the soundness of the Lockdown Policy.

What am I missing?
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Let’s see if they go back to zero covid . At this point they have given up on it but for how long
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AmberG please read the full article from Live Science above.
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Even a small case fatality rate will mean millions of deaths in China. There will be massive collateral deaths from a lack of access to medical resources from oxygen, pharmaceuticals, exhausted medical personnel, beds, personal protective equipment, sick work force that produces, handless and ships medical supplies, everything from heating oil to intravenous sets.


There is always a population of ill people who are dependent on a functioning medical system. This is not often appreciated. Relatively simple cases of pneumonia for example may turn fatal due to lack of resources. Please recall the concept of flattening the curve. This was the policy in the English speaking world as well as India. It was never about zero Covid. (It may have been the policy in much of Europe as well).

The Chinese have miscalculated badly.
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FWIW: Few data points in China - which could be learnings for India and USA (Some points are my educated guesses - so take it FWIW)

- Few days ago the Chinese government announced that people aged 60 and older, and other high-risk groups, should get a fourth dose of vaccine, preferably one based on a different technology from their primary dose. (There are 260 million people in China older than 60, only 70% aged 60 and older, and only 40% aged 80 and more, have received a third dose).

-- They say (some models suggest that number of deaths could be reduced by giving most of the population a fourth vaccine dose, combined with a high level of adherence to masking and reimposition of temporary restrictions on social interactions when death rates surge. These measures could also ease the burden on hospitals.
-- IMO, (and according to other other scientists),It might already be too late for China for this virus-slowing effects of the booster .. there is already widespread transmission now that many restrictions have been lifted.... extra dose will make a little difference to transmission (BF.7 seems to evade the body’s immune response) ..I would advise them to run SUTRA type simulation substituting the best estimated parameters to check the actual quantitative estimates to make a decision. For India (and US) the government decisions should be data based with some trust in these models.

--- Per University of Washington model - there may be as many as 500,000 deaths in next few months (9000/day) -- more than 1.5 Millions by the end of 2023. Other reputable estimates put the death numbers even higher - a few million in next few months. (Officially China's infection numbers are dropping since November and number of deaths could be as high as 5 per day :eek: :( )

-- Over the past month, the Chinese has removed many of the restrictions it imposed to quash the virus’s spread. (Seems like they read about UP Model vs Kerala model) They ended the mass lockdown of entire cities, lifted restrictions on travel and allowed people infected to isolate at home instead of in centralized facilities.. infected people with mild or no symptoms can even go to work .. Testing is now voluntary, and last week, the National Health Commission announced that it will stop reporting the number of infected people who have no symptoms... ityadi ...

( See https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 22283522v1 for some intersting data)

IMO, they have read the UP Model but are not following SUTRA correctly - IMO the data suggest ... hospitals will be overwhelmed if infections rise as rapidly as expected because of the latest easing of restrictions. This will probably result in about one million deaths over the next few months .. something India experienced with lack of Oxygen shortage etc..(To India's credit - GoI rectified the situation within weeks). (These estimates are based on trajectory in Honk Kong where we had better data).

I think - they should start a massive fourth vaccine (and NOT their own vaccine - which is not very good) - might not give visible results in next few months -- but if they can get, say 85% vaccine rates (with a booster) they may reduce the number of deaths next year by > 30-40%. Keep masking and other easy to use methods to slow down and do what ever they can so that health infra is not overwhelmed.

For rest of the world - this is *not* a local phenomena - Travel restrictions etc can buy some time but will make a little difference in eventual spread ..we have to monitor the situations actively making sure of vaccines, not let health-infra be overwhelmed. ... India, when all is said and done, still seem to be okay as the rho parameter is in 95% or higher ..but cases has to be monitored carefully.
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ramana wrote:AmberG please read the full article from Live Science above.
I have read it (even before it was posted here :) .. was going to post it here.. and thanks for posting that article.
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FWIW - I think it was posted in BRF dhaga - but posting it again:

About 6 months ago - SUTRA model said this about China : ". A difficult time lies ahead for the country"
(We had very limited data - no serosurvey - but it was shared then -- SUTRA model etc are publicly available to all the countries )
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...the reach (rho parameter) at present (May 2022) is less than 1%. Therefore, reach has a long way to go before reaching 100% and natural immunity remains very low (vaccine immunity (we are talking about Chinese vaccines only here), as observed already, does not protect against infection). This suggests that the pandemic is nowhere close to being over in China .... (China then was claiming the wave was over and was trying to drop restrictions etc) ..Although the new cases graph is showing a steep drop when the restrictions are removed the numbers are likely to rise again. A difficult time lies ahead for the country...
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China's crematoriums, hospitals 'packed' as Covid cases rise | Top 10 points
Top 10 points on Covid-19 spurt in China:

1. Eric Feigl-Ding estimates that more than 60 per cent of China and 10 per cent of Earth's population are likely to be infected over the next 90 days with deaths likely in the millions.

2. Crematoriums are straining to deal with an influx of bodies, as the country battles a wave of Covid cases that authorities have admitted is impossible to track, news agency AFP reported.

3. In Chongqing - a city of 30 million where authorities this week urged people with "mild" Covid symptoms to go to work - one crematorium told AFP they had run out of space to keep bodies.
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How does Eric Ding estimate deaths in millions?
Is it realistic based on worldwide mortality rates?
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Can some doctor decode this Lancet paper on BA .5 and BF.7?
Specifically, I want to know if R346T, SARS spike protein, is in both why BA-5 R0 5 and BF.7 is 16 to 18?
Is the location of the SARS protein a factor?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 4/fulltext
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The link won't open.
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One possible approach to inhibit potential new virulent strains is to target therapy intracellularly. At this stage China is in a losing battle with preventing infection.

Perhaps we need to minimise replication cycles and viral load, that is, reduce the opportunity for mutations arising from (lower fidelity) RNA polymerase
(no proofreading function) and also inhibit the total RNA load to reduce probability of any combination events for different RNA mutations.


I propose the very liberal usage of Paxlovid to all who test positive for Covid 19 and who do not have contraindications.

This will require industrial scale syntheses of the constituent compounds.

It is a multistep synthesis with not unreasonable yields, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9283023/


Interestingly, a cursory search for data on Paxlovid and its influence on R nought turns up nothing. It may be reasonable to postulate that the treatment reduces infectivity substantially.
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Apparently Paxlovid may have a small benefit when used as pre/post exposure prophylaxis. But that is not quite the same as data on modification of R nought by a covid patient taking the drug.

The trial enrolled 3,000 adults who were household contacts exposed to an individual who was experiencing symptoms and had recently tested positive for COVID-19. They were either given Paxlovid for five or 10 days or a placebo.

Those who took the five-day course were found to be 32% less likely to become infected than the placebo group. That rose to 37% with 10 days of Paxlovid. However, the results were not statistically significant and thus possibly due to chance.
https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 022-04-29/
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madhu wrote:
Amber G. wrote:
It is scary time there.
(I heard from a reputable Chinese scientist who is in China and shared some data - they are not reporting all the deaths/cases but numbers are *extremely* high)
Amber ji, with china removing zero covid policy, opening up for free flow of people will it affect rest of the world? Do we see another world wide lockdown?
Who knows about future? :) but as far as other parts of the wold, BF.7 will spread -- travel restrictions etc may buy some time but will make little difference in the trajectory other places. Places where there is high hybrid immunity (like India) we may see some ripples but nothing like a big wave like China.

We should get boosted and keep vaccinations current (Both in US and India) -- having boosters - recent BA5 bivalent booster, while neutralization -improved, not fantastic but still quite good against really troublesome variants China is facing. (China not only has low natural immunity, their even the 3 shots of main CoronaVac is not helpful . Two shots of CornoVac is almost useless, even 3 shots is not effective against BF7)

I Do hope china goes with wrap speed with their newer nasal vaccine and the nasal vaccine is effective .. We should in other countries should speed up Nasal vaccines.
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^^^ FWIW: From today's Indian news paper:
India has hybrid immunity’: NTAGI chief amid rising fears over China’s COVID spike

(It is also good that they are going to monitor closely:
"In this context, all states are requested to ensure that as far as possible samples of all positive cases, on a daily basis, are sent to the designated INSACOG Genome Laboratories that are mapped to states and UTs,
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ramana wrote:How does Eric Ding estimate deaths in millions?
Is it realistic based on worldwide mortality rates?
FWIW - I have once followed Ding since Jan 2020 (and has communicated with him) - he is famous for one of his early warning post.. but he is quite wild (IMO) in posting scientifically inaccurate posts. He was *extremely* prejudiced against India (and its scientists/goi - and thus has less reputation among Indian scientists) - was talking really wildly (like NYT's wild claims of *millions* of deaths (all because of Kumbh Mela or such other silly claims). His sources in China are good ..he posts lot of things so it is good to look at what he says as he does have lot of resources ..but IMO his claims are taken with a grain of salt in general.
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Some analysis per SUTRA model - (With good amount of confidence)

- Daily new infection plot (updated from the last one posted here)
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- The percentage of naturally immune (immunity acquired via previous infection) population in China was less than 5% in October-end and less than 20% in November-end.

- At present, less than 60% of population has natural immunity.

- Only about 1 out of 500+ cases are being reported these days. (This is one reason why the reported numbers are very small.

- About 30% population is still outside the reach of pandemic.

- Short-term future does not look good. The pandemic will hit the remaining population soon, and then the cases will rise further. It will continue until more than 90% population gets infected.

For India:

- In short - No cause for alarm (With a very important disclaimer/assumptions/caveat )

(The model needs to know the ratio of total to reported cases at one point in time to do the estimation of the ratio and percentage of population with natural immunity at all time but we do NOT have that data about China so we have made some educated guesses - same values which were adopted in last - March/May time) - )

- The BF.7 in China is from Omicron family, which is well-known to bypass vaccine immunity. Coupled with the fact that restrictions have been recently removed in China, it explains rapid spread (there are many reports of hospitals being overwhelmed in Beijing)

For India - (In short again) at present we continue to have > 98% population with natural immunity. and no reason for concern. Over time, some percentage will lose natural immunity, and it may cause a small ripple, but it is VERY UNLIKELY that a significant rise will occur.

(SUTRA folks have warned/advised China almost a year ago and shared these conclusions - watch out for zero covid policy which India learned watching Kerala and UP).

For other countries - Very concerned for Japan (~40 % do not have natural immunity)... US (~20%) will see the wave continue.

- (I am also looking at US numbers/model closely and will post)

Credit: HT: IIT Kanpur, Prof M. Agrawal and the team)
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Ananthakrishan reports on BF.7 in China. Also says he got Covid.

My comment:

It's Omicron derivative. That makes it contagious. R0 is close to 18 vs 5 for Omicron. And R346T SARS spike protein neutralizes old vaccine antibodies. Recall Biden Admin forcing bivalent 3rd booster?
Bivalent is for omicron.
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China's chief epidemiologist is now saying that “the worst is yet to come”,

(This is just first of about 3 waves (per these models) - even worse is (per models) is the second around end of January).
The numbers thrown around 1-2 Million deaths are certainly possible from the models I have seen ..(some models are predicting even higher - but lack of data so difficult to make comments on them. --- my personal estimate is around 500,000 within next few months ... The numbers could go down *significantly* if they reimpose very strict lock downs but overall situation looks very serious.).. Consistent with SUTRA figures. Remains to be seen how much restrictions China imposes.
China's strategy at present seems to be - " Let it spread -- there will be many deaths but let the pandemic end quickly").

For USA and India - As said before - situation is different - really no reason to panic. Please follow up on booster shots - mask whenever you are in closed indoor crowded area)
Along with India US is also monitoring the situation (and impact on supply chain - remember we still get lot of things, including medicine etc from China) per White House National Security Council.
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China has emergency approved their inhaled vaccine (by CanSino) for rollout. (Most vaccines being administered in China is still the CoronaVac shot.. I do hope this e aerosolized inhaled vaccines will make a difference --(and other countries may speed up their Nasal Vaccine program).

(Can some one give details/update on roll out for WashU's - nasal vaccine which has been approved for emergency use in India as a booster for people who have already received two doses of other COVID-19 vaccines. TIA
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I am surprised that there are alarming visuals able to come out of China. This may be the end of the CCP. Depending on the fatality rate in the much poorer rural and hinterland areas (infrastructure), this may be a catalyst for further strains developing in the Chinese empire.
Of course both the US and India had terrible death counts but it was obvious that the authorities were doing the best they could. There was no consensus but the open information and debate were, as always, paradoxical in strengthening the governmental structures. Citizens overlook a lot of things-but they don't like being lied to.

China is about to learn that lesson.

The Chinese GDP will drop 10-20 %, Chinese capability and governance will be questioned by foreign investors, capital will flee China. How will India be positioned to take advantage? Not that I mean to be unkind, but always think two steps ahead.
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What is the situation in India with regard to influenza vaccine? I believe the influenza reason is summer, what is vaccination rate? There is some evidence that the flu vaccine protects against severe Covid.What is the vaccination rate in China?

The BCG vaccine is also possibly somewhat protective. India may soon licence a recombinant adult BCG vaccine. China is supposed to have a 100% BCG vaccination rate.
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Breking News:
PM Narendra Modiji will review situation related to COVID19 and related aspects in the country at a high-level meeting today (Thursday) afternoon.
This follows Wednesday's meeting chaired by Health Minister in the wake of massive Covid wave in China and other countries.
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Looks like XJP made sure there are no journalists of Burkha Dutt il in China.
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