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Tell me that there isn't a toolkit in play here, pushing the same sex marriage issue, even when such a thing is not in the interests of the Indian society

A group of former Judges issue a statement over the issue of legalisation of same-sex marriage.

"We respectfully urge the conscious members of the society including those who are pursuing the issue of same-sex marriage In Supreme Court to refrain from doing so in the best interest of Indian society and culture," reads the statement.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disqualif ... s_in_India

Supreme Court of India, in its judgement dated 10 July 2013 while disposing the Lily Thomas v. Union of India case (along with Lok Prahari v. Union of India),[1] ruled that any Member of Parliament (MP), Member of the Legislative Assembly (MLA) or Member of a Legislative Council (MLC) who is convicted of a crime and given a minimum of two years' imprisonment, loses membership of the House with immediate effect. This is in contrast to the earlier position, wherein convicted members held on to their seats until they exhausted all judicial remedy in lower, state and supreme court of India. Further, Section 8(4) of the Representation of the People Act, which allowed elected representatives three months to appeal their conviction,[2] was declared unconstitutional by the bench of Justice A. K. Patnaik and Justice S. J. Mukhopadhaya.[3]
There is a move to get SC to stay RaGa's conviction about 28 days into the bail granted by the District Court.

If SC intervenes it will be undermining its own position just like Justice Chandrachud had voted in support of the Emergency by Mrs. Indira Gandhi.
And justice in India is ad-hoc and reverting back to Church law.
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Harsh Madhusudan @harshmadhusudan

The Indian judiciary has long overstepped its constitutional boundaries. It chooses judges without democratic accountability, has invented the basic structure doctrine to undo constitutional amendments which is beyond judicial review- and to top that uses the threat of contempt.
Harsh Madhusudan @harshmadhusudan

Irrespective of what happened in Israel, a showdown is inevitable in India unless judiciary retreats to its proper constitutional role. Indian people are for a civilisational state unlike Judeo-Christian origin ones who are wary. Because fundamentals matter w.r.t fundamentalists.
Harsh Madhusudan @harshmadhusudan
To put it more starkly, if the anti-India and anti-democratic forces are expecting the Indian armed forces to stand with a minority which may want a street veto on judicial reforms, then outside of small segments - they will be severely disappointed. Our army respects democracy.
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chetak wrote:https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 779871.cms

Court allows Maharashtra Govt to transfer Palghar Sadhus case to CBI.
What took the SC so long to allow a CBI investigation when the state had no objections?
What was the contention that they referred to SC?
BTW the above article says
Earlier, Maharashtra government had informed the Supreme Court that all guilty police officials involved in the case have been punished or suspended from services.
Is that true? Why didn't they make it public?
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Prem Kumar wrote:Unfortunately, many US based Indians vote for Ro Khanna because he is desi & democrat. They don't realize the existential threat to even their own way of life from the Left Liberal gang. There is a recent video in Rajiv Malhotra's channel where a parent laments about how their own family is split asunder due to the woke ideology that's taken over their children. I have personally seen this in my interaction with an NRI kid as well.

The Viveka Buddhi seems to be lacking in many of the Indian grownups living in the US. It might have made sense to support the Democrats at one point of time. Now, they are a far worse enemy than the Republicans

Anyway OT for this thread. Glad to see Ro Khanna being roasted. Hopefully it gets through the thick skin of NRIs in the US

Ro Khanna keeps saying he is a Progressive and all that but why did he marry a very rich heiress?

There is a split personality with this guy.

Totally Janus faced or worse Dorian Gray like.
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ramana wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:Unfortunately, many US based Indians vote for Ro Khanna because he is desi & democrat. They don't realize the existential threat to even their own way of life from the Left Liberal gang. There is a recent video in Rajiv Malhotra's channel where a parent laments about how their own family is split asunder due to the woke ideology that's taken over their children. I have personally seen this in my interaction with an NRI kid as well.

The Viveka Buddhi seems to be lacking in many of the Indian grownups living in the US. It might have made sense to support the Democrats at one point of time. Now, they are a far worse enemy than the Republicans

Anyway OT for this thread. Glad to see Ro Khanna being roasted. Hopefully it gets through the thick skin of NRIs in the US

Ro Khanna keeps saying he is a Progressive and all that but why did he marry a very rich heiress?

There is a split personality with this guy.

Totally Janus faced or worse Dorian Gray like.
A friend of mine living in the Bay area is pretty close to this guy. This moron is always about being in the right position to capture power.

He was positioning himself to be VP candidate for Sanders. He also told my friend that Tulsi is done after hr fight with Hillary. So he must be envying her and also part of cabal that spread rumors on her.

He first positioned himself to be Senator but Kamala got it because Obama obsessed over her.

He then tried to become Senator after Kamala became VP. Did not pan out.

He again tried this time but did not go anywhere.

His whole Progressive position is to capture the wind right now. No principles.

His big funder is a Pakistani millionaire
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williams wrote:Congi tactics seem to be bizarre. Perhaps they can now file a stay and then declare victory once the stay goes through? I am not sure people will be that stupid to not see their antics.
The magistrate court has given 30 days for Shri. Pappu Ghandi and his team to file an appeal. Even a mediocre lawyer can draft the appeal in a time span of 3-4 days. But that is not being done. Pappu Ghandi is using the 30 day window to get as much as possible mileage. I am pretty confident that around a week before the 30 day window elapses, he will get an appeal filed in the District & Sessions court. Most likely the sentence would be changed to be that of Rs. 2000/- fine, or perhaps even find him not guilty. Shri. Pappu Ghandi then continues to get his MP seat back along with his official bungalow. The political mileage (?) he gained would be the bonus for Congress.
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arshyam wrote:If you understand Kannada and are curious about Annamalai:

[youtube,..]..uIBYxhGaNFY[/youtube]

Context: he's in Karnataka as an election in-charge for the BJP, seconding Dharmendra Pradhan.
Subtitles there, arshyam avargal?
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Prem Kumar wrote:Current Wikipedia page of Justice Joseph

Lets make him famous!

[img…]https://i.imgur.com/x28krem.png[/img]
That can change. Talk page participation is a must. If not, they will quote some obscure BS rule about “living person bio page” or some cr@p like that and remove the reference.
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why this continuous angst against India

what is constantly tickling these successors to a socio political system that tried to dominate the world twice in less than 50 years and that strenuous and extremely violent attempt at domination was not done based on the principles of ahimsa nor was it based on any principles of christian kindness or generosity. It was a well managed act of genocide, carried out with germanic efficiency, precision and competence


who has forgiven or forgotten the german genocide against the jews. what of their whole hearted, padre sanctioned attempts at mass murder of an entire religious civilization and also their extreme and current hatred towards that very same religious believers

why did they fail so miserably in applying the very same standards of judicial independence & democratic principles when it came to the jews and africans

or are they applying these psychopathic+ destructive ideas on a selective and differential basis and degrading Indian dempocracy.

@ANI

We have taken note of the verdict of first instance against the Indian opposition politician Rahul Gandhi as well as the suspension of his parliamentary mandate.

To our knowledge, Rahul Gandhi is in a position to appeal the verdict. Appeal will show whether verdict stands & suspension has a basis.

We expect standards of judicial independence & democratic principles to be applied: German Foreign Ministry spokesperson


9:01 am · 30 Mar 2023
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Sachin wrote:
williams wrote:Congi tactics seem to be bizarre. Perhaps they can now file a stay and then declare victory once the stay goes through? I am not sure people will be that stupid to not see their antics.
The magistrate court has given 30 days for Shri. Pappu Ghandi and his team to file an appeal. Even a mediocre lawyer can draft the appeal in a time span of 3-4 days. But that is not being done. Pappu Ghandi is using the 30 day window to get as much as possible mileage. I am pretty confident that around a week before the 30 day window elapses, he will get an appeal filed in the District & Sessions court. Most likely the sentence would be changed to be that of Rs. 2000/- fine, or perhaps even find him not guilty. Shri. Pappu Ghandi then continues to get his MP seat back along with his official bungalow. The political mileage (?) he gained would be the bonus for Congress.
And BJP does not know this and will simply be humble sevaks when Pappu has all the mileage he wants :rotfl: I wonder what happens when the appeal gets rejected :wink:
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Ramanaji
Thanks for your response.
The cues i get from some close watchers back home is :
Excessive Judicial actvism (or some even put it as interference)
Three things that could have major impact:
1. The reserved Judgement on Maharastra( why delay the verdict) or what is the Oppourtune moment ( Mid April to impact on KARNATAKA)
2. Decisive verdict in Karnataka
3. RaGa's appeal process and revocation of conviction
Any or all of the above could embolden the BIF's
If two of the three go against the BIF's there could be an earlier election say Dec 2023/Jan 2024
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Why will a government willingly forego 6 months of the tenure that it has.

If the object is to win elections. Then use every day not under model code of conduct as a day to get things done.
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williams wrote:And BJP does not know this and will simply be humble sevaks when Pappu has all the mileage he wants :rotfl: I wonder what happens when the appeal gets rejected :wink:
What should BJP do? Force the plaintiff to pull back the case so that Pappu's gimmicks will come to an end? Pappu will take that as victory also. If the appeal gets rejected, Pappu & Co will again say that this is all political games. BJP is doing the right thing, senior leadership ignores Pappu's rant some junior leader gives a statement or two - exhalting the independence of judiciary.
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Just to add to what Sachin has stated.

People with tribal affiliation to either side are not going to be effected one-way or the other by what anyone is saying.

It's people who are independent minded who have to be chased for votes. They are the difference makers in elections.

The Congress party with it's actions is driving those people away. By saying that Modi has disqualified Rahul.

BJP has a wonderful opportunity to propagate the tearing up of the ordinance by Rahul. Karma and all.

If BJP is ruthless, this is a god given opportunity to bury the Congress along with the Gandhi's.
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SC Justice Joseph is son of a SC Justice
SC Justice Nagaratna is the daughter of a SC CJI

They need to put anti-nepotism law here ...
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Like Dr SJ zimblified in an interview yesterday:
Pappu shot his mouth off and said bad things about a community, one of them took him to court, Pappu could have rectified but chose not to, court convicted him as per laws and sentenced him, and as per law he is out of the parliament. Same happened to several others over the years for similar stuff. Same course of law occured. The govt had no role in all this.

If any country has a problem with it, India would ask them would they blame their own govt if such a chain of events happened as per law to someone in their country?

That's it. End of story.
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Watch some fun on Ro Khanna
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Sachin wrote:
williams wrote:And BJP does not know this and will simply be humble sevaks when Pappu has all the mileage he wants :rotfl: I wonder what happens when the appeal gets rejected :wink:
What should BJP do? Force the plaintiff to pull back the case so that Pappu's gimmicks will come to an end? Pappu will take that as victory also. If the appeal gets rejected, Pappu & Co will again say that this is all political games. BJP is doing the right thing, senior leadership ignores Pappu's rant some junior leader gives a statement or two - exhalting the independence of judiciary.
Oh, I agree with BJP's strategy. All I want to state is that if we have figured these things out, they know all the gimmicks Raga and Congi's can pull and they know how to play along.

Also, remember all these foreign statements are extracted by reporters by asking questions in various press meets in western capitals. Those junior levels people like the one from the US state dept or the one from Germany are not official positions of these countries. I think the original BJP voters are not going to be swayed away from these gimmicks. In fact, most of them will be more energized to vote back in 2024

Bottom lime real power always remains in the parliament and state legislatures no matter what Congis can do outside it.
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Right. But what I'm seeing is that anti India forces are not trying to vote Modi out. The ultimate prize is not a defeated Modi but a subservient India

I'm seeing efforts being made to attack the structure itself so that Modi winning doesn't matter.

Of course we must do everything to make Modi win, which he deserves to, which he will. But we must be prepared for the larger battle which consists of narrative building and then saturation spraying using the media across channels. At home and abroad. Looks like it has already started and will continue to build up and peak after the election results are declared in 2024.
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I wish raga a long life of failure. He is BJP’s no. 1 election star.

May his reign over Congress be long!
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vijayk wrote:[youtube...] rWdkK8b2liI[/youtube]
Watch some fun on Ro Khanna
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chetak wrote:why this continuous angst against India
what is constantly tickling these successors to a socio political system that tried to dominate the world twice in less than 50 years and that strenuous and extremely violent attempt at domination was not done based on the principles of ahimsa nor was it based on any principles of christian kindness or generosity. It was a well managed act of genocide, carried out with germanic efficiency, precision and competence
Because we have a assembly line of Jaichands and Gungadins and no public punishment real or fiction meted out. Our hands their brains... Hopefully that changes now. Looks like we have lost concept of societal "shame" and "face" that East Asian countries still have ... With onslaught of westernization even more pertinent to check whether we still maintain some shame and decorum...
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^ Part of the reason is that many countries (Germany in this case) do not have an independent judiciary. It is natural for such countries to think the GoI has more of a say in the courts than it does.

How Judges Are Selected in Germany
Half the members of the Federal Constitutional Court shall be elected by the Bundestag (parliament) and half by the Bundesrat (representation of the German states).
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Vayutuvan wrote:
arshyam wrote:If you understand Kannada and are curious about Annamalai:

[youtube,..]..uIBYxhGaNFY[/youtube]

Context: he's in Karnataka as an election in-charge for the BJP, seconding Dharmendra Pradhan.
Subtitles there, arshyam avargal?
I don't think these videos had any, but if you are interested, there are other English interviews that give a perspective. I had shared the above as there are few mainstream politicians that comfortably discuss issues in a different language other than their mother tongue (or English) in public fora, though there are plenty of multi-lingual and polyglot politicians. In this ctx, the past Tamil-Kannada dynamic had been mostly shaped by the Kaveri issue, much to the detriment of both states, and I see people like Annamalai undoing that with a more positive approach.





There are a few others, including a talk in LA (or was it SFO?) that should be available on YT.
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Trump indicted. Lets see what the filth from NYT/Germany DW/WaPo/FT going to say now?
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vijayk wrote:Trump indicted. Lets see what the filth from NYT/Germany DW/WaPo/FT going to say now?


vijayk ji,

At one time in US history, their capitalist driven society used to hunt commies.

That transformed "society" has now come full circle and the commies are hunting them today, using disruption and devastation to restructure the new social order.

This is what the commies do best and they will leave a wide trail of societal disordering in their wake while deliberately scripting a scorched earth skeleton to create the social framework suited to their soreass mandated milieu.


In India, the commies have smartly moved away from lower class and mass driven JNU, jamia and jhadavpur type of social change laboratories to the upper class steered, elite herded, white skinned professor taught private universities like ashoka, azim premji, and bennet universities among many others to push their agenda

the soreass networks being active in the US is not in doubt anymore


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Still doesn't add up quite! Does that mean the govts there can tell the courts how to interpret the laws, that too differentially? That just defeats the purpose.

In India govt appoints CEC but that doesn't mean the CEC is not independent!
vera_k wrote:^ Part of the reason is that many countries (Germany in this case) do not have an independent judiciary. It is natural for such countries to think the GoI has more of a say in the courts than it does.

How Judges Are Selected in Germany
Half the members of the Federal Constitutional Court shall be elected by the Bundestag (parliament) and half by the Bundesrat (representation of the German states).
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Dumal wrote:Still doesn't add up quite! Does that mean the govts there can tell the courts how to interpret the laws, that too differentially? That just defeats the purpose.
Judges appointed by the government have a prior record of rulings which indicate which way they will rule. The difference between one versus the other is known based on their history of deciding cases or writings in journals. The government then chooses which judges are appointed based on their particular bias or ideology. So the government does not have to tell the courts how to interpret the laws, because the government while appointing the judges knows how their appointees think and are likely to rule. This is why appointment of judges is so hard fought after in some countries.
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So, the ameriki judiciary can take out trumpwa, and democracy is well served but if the Indian judiciary takes out pappu, then democracy is ill served, and germany ‘takes note’ of pappu’s disqualification from Parliament, says ‘expect democratic principles to be applied’

hypocrisy much....
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Best seconds of Amit Ji's mind on Raga drama - watch from 18:22 to 19:04. I am telling you Bajpa leaders are in a different league. Congi's attitude of destroying its own meritocracy has finally caught up. Raga and his stooge of sycophants do not have a clue about how to counter this political entity today no matter how much money or media support they get from BIF entities.
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chetak wrote:
@ANI

We have taken note of the verdict of first instance against the Indian opposition politician Rahul Gandhi as well as the suspension of his parliamentary mandate.

To our knowledge, Rahul Gandhi is in a position to appeal the verdict. Appeal will show whether verdict stands & suspension has a basis.

We expect standards of judicial independence & democratic principles to be applied: German Foreign Ministry spokesperson


9:01 am · 30 Mar 2023

For those who may not remember,

https://www.dw.com/en/sanskrit-or-germa ... a-18069963

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 870493.cms

‘German as 3rd language was a policy violation’

The Germans owe the Familia, these statements are just instalments of that debt repayment.
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^^^ I think it is a reasonable statement from Germany. After all, our spokesman will say the same when asked a similar question about Trump or any German opposition leader. Remember from their perspective, Raga may become a potential govt leader that they may need to deal with in the future, and they would not want to antagonize him today. It is the same way we keep our relationship intact with both parties in the US govt. The problem is how this is interpreted in the Indian media. If the media thinks this is a German endorsement of Raga's behavior and propagates it that way nothing can be done about it. It is politics as usual.
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chetak wrote:why this continuous angst against India

what is constantly tickling these successors to a socio political system that tried to dominate the world twice in less than 50 years and that strenuous and extremely violent attempt at domination was not done based on the principles of ahimsa nor was it based on any principles of christian kindness or generosity. It was a well managed act of genocide, carried out with germanic efficiency, precision and competence


who has forgiven or forgotten the german genocide against the jews. what of their whole hearted, padre sanctioned attempts at mass murder of an entire religious civilization and also their extreme and current hatred towards that very same religious believers

why did they fail so miserably in applying the very same standards of judicial independence & democratic principles when it came to the jews and africans

or are they applying these psychopathic+ destructive ideas on a selective and differential basis and degrading Indian dempocracy.

The Germans are moving in step with the Americans. After some 20 years of China engagement, they are raising HR violations suddenly. Protectionist measures are coming in in EU.
And a similar template is being applied to India. Basically Germans has become a American vassal now that its oil is in hands of US.
But does it matter what t he Germans say now? I think we are engaging with the Americans eye to eye. Germany does not matter.
Lets hold for now.
Look at Namo and his focus on industrialization and export - he knows economic and military strength needs to be established first and get tightly integrated to the supply chain.
And ANY WHICH WAY YOU CUT IT, Indian market access will be a trump card that will keep us giving multiple returns.
A $10T economy will let us give immense amounts of gyaan to a lot of geriatric fools. But even that isnt our goal.
The goal should be t he final arbiter in the multipolar world. We have the global south's backing already. They vote India to lead Agricultural agreeements at WTO.
Our place is not to be in the fight but to be the umpire which everyone looks up to.
We will get there. heads down. Focus on growth, growth, growth.
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India would have said "its an internal matter of that country. We do not think its appropriate to comment further on this" in most cases. Thats the right diplomatic response, no pun intended. The fact that Germany has made those statements shows that the collective west cannot cure itself of moralising everyone at every opportunity.

I mean who in India gives a flying duck that someone in Germany is closely watching? This is becoming like reaction videos, seen by only those who seek external validation to feel this way or that way about themselves. Such morons should get a spine, and at least a few neurons.
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williams wrote:^^^ I think it is a reasonable statement from Germany. After all, our spokesman will say the same when asked a similar question about Trump or any German opposition leader. Remember from their perspective, Raga may become a potential govt leader that they may need to deal with in the future, and they would not want to antagonize him today. It is the same way we keep our relationship intact with both parties in the US govt. The problem is how this is interpreted in the Indian media. If the media thinks this is a German endorsement of Raga's behavior and propagates it that way nothing can be done about it. It is politics as usual.
Ji show me an equivalent statement from our MEA on any other democracies legal processes then we can discus reasonableness.
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Cyrano wrote:India would have said "its an internal matter of that country. We do not think its appropriate to comment further on this" in most cases. Thats the right diplomatic response, no pun intended. The fact that Germany has made those statements shows that the collective west cannot cure itself of moralising everyone at every opportunity.

I mean who in India gives a flying duck that someone in Germany is closely watching? This is becoming like reaction videos, seen by only those who seek external validation to feel this way or that way about themselves. Such morons should get a spine, and at least a few neurons.
^^ Any statement from India on Trump indictment? Or any other country in the world? It is an internal matter of US and the world knows when to keep quiet. US and Germany are deliberately doing mischief -- no need to rationalize. RG (half-white Xian) is a Western asset, hence their pain. They are trying to do the Suu Kyi trick here.
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Re: Road to the 2024 Elections in India-1

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