Road to the 2024 Elections in India-1

[Cyrano]

The anti depressants take away all the suffering, so what is left is pure happiness onree saar !

[Zynda]

Take a look at the level of burn being felt by INC/RaGa supporters...

Dr. Ayesha Ray
@DrAyeshaRay
Dear @POTUS @SecBlinken: note the very serious development in India where Congress leader Rahul Gandhi has been convicted on fraudulent charges and disqualified from Indian parliament. If you stand for democracy, it’s time to evaluate your relationship with the Modi government.
4:12 pm · 24 Mar 2023

This lady believes she is an intellectual...I hope she has the decency to admit her support for RaGa is due to hatred of Modi/BJP/Hindutva rather than appreciation or belief in RaGa's capabilities...

[NRao]

Short, but an imp take.

[chetak]

Take a look at the level of burn being felt by INC/RaGa supporters...

Dr. Ayesha Ray
@DrAyeshaRay
Dear @POTUS @SecBlinken: note the very serious development in India where Congress leader Rahul Gandhi has been convicted on fraudulent charges and disqualified from Indian parliament. If you stand for democracy, it’s time to evaluate your relationship with the Modi government.
4:12 pm · 24 Mar 2023

This lady believes she is an intellectual...I hope she has the decency to admit her support for RaGa is due to hatred of Modi/BJP/Hindutva rather than appreciation or belief in RaGa's capabilities...

how's them green apples

[Bart S]

Looks like they polled exclusively woke/INC/anti-national crowd for that happiness index, in which case it is wholly accurate for that population, though wrongly attributed to the country as a whole.

[RoyG]

INC leadership planned all this. The family has no chance in this political climate and will just enjoy life now. What better way to retire from politics with minimal fanfare.

I always said that pappu march was like the ceremonial exit march by British officers before they left the country. A farewell to a land that filled their coffers.

[Manish_P]

Noob question, would the SC/ST act have been more severe, and hence was not invoked?

[srin]

I find it really interesting that they are blaming NaMo for this. Wasn't this an independent court that decided this ?

Contempt of court anyone ?

[IndraD]

‘Arrogant dictator, illiterate’: Arvind Kejriwal as Rahul Gandhi disqualified https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 35171.html

khujli attacking mudi after sensing the vaccum created by pappu departure/or has been signalled by Ford Soros gang
also his party being destroyed bit by bit and he is unable to secure bail for Sisodia Satyendra etc!

[krithivas]

The ecosystem externally is already positioning this as a, "Rahul Gandhi disqualified because he criticized Modi", therefore loss of freedom of speech. The ecosystem internally will fail to whip up sympathy wave for Congress or Rahul.
The net net is India will fall to 918776th in the global happiness index next year.

[williams]

‘Arrogant dictator, illiterate’: Arvind Kejriwal as Rahul Gandhi disqualified https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 35171.html

khujli attacking mudi after sensing the vaccum created by pappu departure/or has been signalled by Ford Soros gang
also his party being destroyed bit by bit and he is unable to secure bail for Sisodia Satyendra etc!

Say what you may about Khujli. He knew the seriousness of a defamation case and humbly apologized to get out of danger. Pappu was feeling so entitled that he thought his legal uncles will take care of it. I don't think any court will stay this conviction and Congi protests etc will fizzle once they realize that there is a chance to get this joker out of Congi leadership pyramid. I saw a little joy in the eyes of Kapil Sibal even though he acted like he is sad about the verdict.

[williams]

The ecosystem externally is already positioning this as a, "Rahul Gandhi disqualified because he criticized Modi", therefore loss of freedom of speech. The ecosystem internally will fail to whip up sympathy wave for Congress or Rahul.
The net net is India will fall to 918776th in the global happiness index next year.

It does not matter how you position it. Once you are out of power you are done in Indian democracy. And ecosystems will also collapse once the gravy train dries up.

[ramana]

The Congress and LeLi angst is Speaker could have waited till RaGa has exhausted his appeal.
However the SC ruling is quite clear that a convict loses his legistalture seat.
The Court gave bail but did not suspend his sentence.
In other words he is still convicted.

[ramana]

In the Byzantine Congress world this is best outcome that they can send RaGa to poltical exile for 8 years while they rebuild their tattered image.

[chetak]

‘Arrogant dictator, illiterate’: Arvind Kejriwal as Rahul Gandhi disqualified https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 35171.html

khujli attacking mudi after sensing the vaccum created by pappu departure/or has been signalled by Ford Soros gang
also his party being destroyed bit by bit and he is unable to secure bail for Sisodia Satyendra etc!

IndraD ji,


pappu may actually morph into a bigger danger now.

Strategically and tactically, he has nothing to lose, and so he can work to change the narrative and the prepare the ground, curate the pitch, so to speak.

IMVHO, he neither has the will nor the ability to be a team player or even be a team member. Like all bosses of his vacuous kind, this parivar ka eklauta chirag, and entitled dynast, wants garam garam, banna banna, scrumptious cooked, and impeccably presented halwa (the PM's gaddi) served up to him on a silver platter.

He would have gained immeasurably in moral stature had he resigned on his own last evening itself, acknowledging his conviction in a court and saying that he respects the law but will appeal the judgement as advised by the very court that convicted him.

Better still (politically speaking, of course), he could have slimed out of the whole thing by simply rendering an apology, moving on, and living to fight another day.

unless the sly so and so has done it purposely to avoid getting personally tarred and feathered for the anticipated congi rout in 2024.

It's quite likely that pappi will replace him in wayanad, take over the tattered reigns of the broken down, decrepit bucket of bolts and call the shots on behalf of the mamamia mafiosi inc

In a way, he has now been unleashed, not bound by parliamentary privilege, or procedures and his BIF puppet masters can meet him more frequently.

If he wants, he can become party president and he can concentrate full time on building up the party to get it in better shape to tackle the coming 2024 regional (India) Olympics, helping out pappi to consolidate, write her a letter of recommendation to soreass and work to help put up a good show.

If you are wearing a clean white shirt like Modi, a headless chicken in its throes, spraying it's death blood in all unanticipated directions is most dangerous.

Apparently, he has also been told to vacate his govt house within one month.

[chetak]

The Congress and LeLi angst is Speaker could have waited till RaGa has exhausted his appeal.
However the SC ruling is quite clear that a convict loses his legistalture seat.
The Court gave bail but did not suspend his sentence.
In other words he is still convicted.

Poetic justice and the circle of karma onlee

pappu tore up that very ordinance passed by the congi cabinet that would have saved the day for him today

[chetak]

In the Byzantine Congress world this is best outcome that they can send RaGa to poltical exile for 8 years while they rebuild their tattered image.

one reckons that the umpires perched on the higher rungs of the pillar will make it better and recall him to bat again.

[chetak]

The ecosystem externally is already positioning this as a, "Rahul Gandhi disqualified because he criticized Modi", therefore loss of freedom of speech. The ecosystem internally will fail to whip up sympathy wave for Congress or Rahul.
The net net is India will fall to 918776th in the global happiness index next year.

It does not matter how you position it. Once you are out of power you are done in Indian democracy. And ecosystems will also collapse once the gravy train dries up.

Another batsperson is already waiting, ready and padded up for years now, and presently limbering up in the dressing room.

the BIF gravy train may just have been waiting for this very pullman coach to connect up.

old coach is beyond economical repair, current coach has derailed and the coach in the shed, serviced, ready and awaiting the arrival of the engine... for the gravy train to roll again

[chetak]

‘Arrogant dictator, illiterate’: Arvind Kejriwal as Rahul Gandhi disqualified https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 35171.html

khujli attacking mudi after sensing the vaccum created by pappu departure/or has been signalled by Ford Soros gang
also his party being destroyed bit by bit and he is unable to secure bail for Sisodia Satyendra etc!

khujili is more worried about whisky mann and amrutpol spilling the beans about the khalistani goings on and the moolah that has come in via hawala. sedition charges will sink his ship

satyender jain is the key hawala master with the offshore linkages and the likely ringmaster of the conduit.

The BIF are looking to make India a colony of sorts once again, but with a different set of colonial masters, an Ameriki and EUropean combo enterprise.

One reckons that the cheeni are also toying with a very similar idea but theirs may be a much longer term plan

[Jay]

I have a bad feeling about this Rahul drama. To most of the voters, Rahul is just a nincompoop. BJP voters know it, non BJP voters know it too. He's looked at as somebody without a drive, intelligence, or charisma to lead an opposition against Modi/BJP. The quintessential "nepo-baby" who does not know what he wants for himself unless its dished out by his mom, didi, or a sycophant. A lot of these same voters also might see this Rahul jail/disqualification drama as swatting a fly with a bofors gun and this might give him some pity points/votes. This will also have the unintended consequences of trapping BJP supporters as well and if a favorable court gets a BJP MP, it will lead into an even murkier mess. This entire thing, just an year before the elections is puzzling. I hope it doesn't cascade into an uncontrollable narrative.

[Lisa]

I find it really interesting that they are blaming NaMo for this. Wasn't this an independent court that decided this ?

Contempt of court anyone ?

Ji,

You are completely missing the point. Mudi planned all of this in 2019 by slyly getting pappu to make those comments so that he could get relief for the Adani affair in 2023. All credit to Mudi, what a foresight.

[vijayk]

https://twitter.com/pallavict/status/16 ... 4985469962

Check out this 2013 video of how Rahul Gandhi got DISQUALIFIED as MP the moment he was CONVINCTED

Ravish Kumar explains that Parliament CAN’T STOP disqualification even if it wishes to as it has NO POWERS in this case

Even if RaGa appeals,
he still stands disqualified

[V_Raman]

I have bed feeling about this Rahul drama. To most of the voters, Rahul is just a nincompoop. BJP voters know it, non BJP voters know it too. He's looked at as somebody without a drive, intelligence, or charisma to lead an opposition against Modi/BJP. The quintessential "nepo-baby" who does not know what he wants for himself unless its dished out by his mom, didi, or a sycophant. A lot of these same voters also might see this Rahul jail/disqualification drama as swatting a fly with a bofors gun and this might give him some pity points/votes. This will also have the unintended consequences of trapping BJP supporters as well and if a favorable court gets a BJP MP, it will lead into an even murkier mess. This entire thing, just an year before the elections is puzzling. I hope it doesn't cascade into an uncontrollable narrative.

I thought about this - even if BJP MP gets caught in this - then the law of the land will takes its course. That MP might not be stupid enough to not apologize as the court asked so many times.

But spinning this as a Modi conspiracy wont work in this social media and whatsapp age as all the facts from RaGa tearing up the ordinance to remove this law is already out in all those channels!

Every mom/pop/grandma has WhatsApp and some SM nowadays!

[Srutayus]

pappu may actually morph into a bigger danger now.

Strategically and tactically, he has nothing to lose, and so he can work to change the narrative and the prepare the ground, curate the pitch, so to speak.

The danger from him is the powers that be that are working through him. Several of them came out and displayed themselves during the Bharat Todo thingy. And many in in the ecosystem abroad are registering themselves by spreading fake news: "

Modi got the leader of the opposition arrested for criticising him

" Of course, there are three lies in that one statement, Pappu is not the leader of the opposition, Modi did not get him arrested, and the arrest was not for criticizing PM Modi per se, these scum indulge in the most vitriolic abuse of the PM all the time without consequences.

2024 is the last chance for the powers that be, or at least that is how they perceive it. Remember Jaishankar's comment about the election fever in London and New York.

[IndraD]

Expelling Rahul Gandhi From Parliament, Modi Allies Thwart a Top Rival https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/worl ... &smtyp=cur

The expulsion of Rahul Gandhi from parliament is a deep betrayal of Gandhian philosophy and India’s deepest values. This is not what my grandfather sacrificed years in jail for.
@narendramodi
you have the power to reverse this decision for the the sake of Indian democracy. https://twitter.com/RoKhanna/status/163 ... 25954?s=20

once thought of as forest gump Ro Khanna is proving to be how dangerous he can be

[Anujan]

^^^^

Bharatiya Janata Party, known as the B.J.P., of trying to twist the country’s political system into something more akin to an electoral autocracy

Democracy is in danger because one party seems to be winning all the elections

[vera_k]

once thought of as forest gump Ro Khanna is proving to be how dangerous he can be

American politicians have a tendency to think every country operates like their kangaroo courts where the lawyers and judges are elected and form another class of politician.

[williams]

I have a bad feeling about this Rahul drama. To most of the voters, Rahul is just a nincompoop. BJP voters know it, non BJP voters know it too. He's looked at as somebody without a drive, intelligence, or charisma to lead an opposition against Modi/BJP. The quintessential "nepo-baby" who does not know what he wants for himself unless its dished out by his mom, didi, or a sycophant. A lot of these same voters also might see this Rahul jail/disqualification drama as swatting a fly with a bofors gun and this might give him some pity points/votes. This will also have the unintended consequences of trapping BJP supporters as well and if a favorable court gets a BJP MP, it will lead into an even murkier mess. This entire thing, just an year before the elections is puzzling. I hope it doesn't cascade into an uncontrollable narrative.

In the days of Twitter and WhatsApp those pity votes are no more. Besides, there is no leader of the caliber of BJP bigwigs to take this incident to garner people's support. Whatever sympathy is generated will be gone in a few weeks and whatever opposition unity will also be gone in a month. Opposition is not uniting on policy or ideology but on political ambition and opportunism. People are not interested in such things anymore. This is not good enough to eat away the 40% vote share BJP has and it can never increase the vote share of any party including congress by even 1%. Media will fill in their space for some time and it is over. Pappu and his gang of sycophants have no long-sighted political acumen.

[Jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJLizQTV7wQ

Great points by the advocate saab. Made this Kanwal dirtbag visibly squirm.

Personally, I think congis will try to milk this drama and as usual Rahul baba will punt the fight with his half hearted commitment. At that point the case will be appealed to supreme court or some other court, rahul baba offers an unconditional apology, court take that apology into consideration and will reduce or remove his jail sentence after which he will/might be reinstated into parliament. If the above happens, its game over for Rahul and I think he cannot recover from this stupidity.

[nandakumar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJLizQTV7wQ

Great points by the advocate saab. Made this Kanwal dirtbag visibly squirm.

Personally, I think congis will try to milk this drama and as usual Rahul baba will punt the fight with his half hearted commitment. At that point the case will be appealed to supreme court or some other court, rahul baba offers an unconditional apology, court take that apology into consideration and will reduce or remove his jail sentence after which he will/might be reinstated into parliament. If the above happens, its game over for Rahul and I think he cannot recover from this stupidity.

From what l learn from news reports, Rahul Gandhi chose not to defend himself before the trial court. In fact if some reports are to be believed, he didn't even appear before the Judge. If someone doesn't defend himself at the trial stage how does he become entitled to relief from the appellate court?

[Srutayus]

rom what l learn from news reports, Rahul Gandhi chose not to defend himself before the trial court. In fact if some reports are to be believed, he didn't even appear before the Judge. If someone doesn't defend himself at the trial stage how does he become entitled to relief from the appellate court?

Knowing his handlers, they might well have done it deliberately. If you think about it, the timing fits perfectly well. He goes to England to besmirch India's name and claims that he was not allowed to speak after making us suffer one of his performances in parliament, and all the while, they are playing this case along to break just in time. And now the articles from the NYT and WaPo appear on cue.

[vijayk]

[chetak]

rom what l learn from news reports, Rahul Gandhi chose not to defend himself before the trial court. In fact if some reports are to be believed, he didn't even appear before the Judge. If someone doesn't defend himself at the trial stage how does he become entitled to relief from the appellate court?

Knowing his handlers, they might well have done it deliberately. If you think about it, the timing fits perfectly well. He goes to England to besmirch India's name and claims that he was not allowed to speak after making us suffer one of his performances in parliament, and all the while, they are playing this case along to break just in time. And now the articles from the NYT and WaPo appear on cue.

the congis have filed a case in the SC to declare the automatic disqualification of convicted MPs as illegal.

wasn't this the very "cabinet approved and awaiting presidential approval" ordinance that one "ordinary MP" tore up openly after publicly declaring it as "complete nonsense"

has such a thing ever been done in any democracy, by any elected member, or was an entitled and delusional princeling enforcing his ego fuelled suzerainty and dynastic dominion over a hapless head of government, knowing fully well that there would not be a blowback, even from the parliament of the time

[Pratyush]

This disqualification seems to a part of long term Congress plan of introducing western intervention in the electoral process of India.

His utterances in the UK are a part of the appeal.

He is going to claim martyrdom at the alter of democracy.

[Sachin]

I had a doubt whether Section 499 IPC will hold against Shri. Pappu Ghandi. As the name of the petitioner was not in the list of people who was mentioned by Shri. Pappu Ghandi. But on closer reading of the section, I understood that "It may amount to defamation to make an imputation concerning a company or an association or collection of persons as such". So this is where the "Modis are all thiefs" insinuation did him in. Section 500 IPC defines the penatly for the offence. There is also a provision for the court to levy a fine instead of imprisonment (of max two years). Don't know why the Magistrate went for the prison sentence rather than the fine.

In the "secular world" especially in Southern India, the spin is that it is Narendra Modi who is using his clout to disqualify Shri. Pappu Ghandi. The role of the actual petitioner or the magistrate court is now completely ignored. The seculars are giving this a Narendra Modi v/s Shri Pappu Ghandi case. Unfortunately this may give an impression that Shri. Pappu Ghandi has now increased his credibility and that is why he is now every communal force is turning against him.

Personally, I think congis will try to milk this drama and as usual Rahul baba will punt the fight with his half hearted commitment.

He is going to claim martyrdom at the alter of democracy.

Not only Congis, but all the secular progressive liberals (self-proclaimed) in the country have started their whining. In states like Kerala, the commies are actually crying for Pappu Ghandi and his misfortune . The commies & congis are to be bitter enemies in the state, though shamelessly the commies go around with the congis in the states like W. Bengal and Tripura. All this proves is that till BJP got into power both INC and CPI(M)-CPI were just having a friendly match between them, with both of them agreeing on one agenda. Keep India poor and Hindus fight each other.

The Indian judicial process now gives Shri. Pappu Ghandi right to appeal to a higher court (here it would be the District & Sessions Court) within 30 days. Till then his sentence is kept in abeyance. Now if he does not file an appeal within 30 days, then it means he does not want to utilize the legal options available for him. And Indian Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure has not been made or amended by BJP govt to change the process of appeals etc.

[chetak]

This disqualification seems to a part of long term Congress plan of introducing western intervention in the electoral process of India.

His utterances in the UK are a part of the appeal.

He is going to claim martyrdom at the alter of democracy.

some punk, ro khanna, an allegedly elected senator/gladiator has opened a toolkit in the states saying that "Modi can get the disqualification decision reversed if he (Modi) wants"

Let's assume that Modi does that.

Modi then leaves himself open to the much bigger charge of "subverting the independence of the judiciary"

Modi must allow his accomplished "communicators" credible folks like like irani, goel, panda and others to explain what has happened and how pappu tore up the ordinance

Instead they have trotted out lightweight bumblers like prakash javadekar...

[Pratyush]

The funny thing is that there were seperate cases filed in different parts of the country. I was able to find the copy of judgement from the Jharkhand case.

But I am not able to locate the copy of judgement from the Surat court.

[ricky_v]

some punk, ro khanna, an allegedly elected senator/gladiator has opened a toolkit in the states saying that "Modi can get the disqualification decision reversed if he (Modi) wants"

Let's assume that Modi does that.

Modi then leaves himself open to the much bigger charge of "subverting the independence of the judiciary"

but he cannot do that chetak sir, like someone said in this thread, amerikis think every court is like their jungle court, with government involvement, indian three branches are truly separate, look at the njac, the judiciary is completely impartial.

As for getting heavyweights involved, i think even that is a message like the public toilet installation near british consulate, not worth the time of the busy people, junior ministers can hone their communication skills

[SRajesh]

Can I ask why the government has not given any credence to SuSw to accusations of RaGa holding foreign passport as per filing in London for some business transactions
Also per him he used to travel under a nom de guerre as Raol Vinci.
Was that the name he was allegedly arrested in US??
Surely he must have filed nomination papers for election and is there any clause there about citizehship and alias etc??
Also what bloody course/degree did he acquire in Cambridge?? that he claims proudly claims as alma mater!!

[chetak]

rahul ghandhy, in his latest presser:

“I am a ghandhy and not Savarkar, and ghandhys do not apologize.”

and this, despite having tendered unconditional apology to the supreme court for lying when he had said ‘chowkidar chor hai’, and also in the rafale case.

habitually, a serial offender onlee