Second Agni-III test-2

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Postby Rakesh » 12 Apr 2007 18:56

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A hearty congratulations to all the DRDO scientists who successfully accomplished the Agni-III launch.

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Postby Rahul Shukla » 12 Apr 2007 19:12

Well done India! :)

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Postby Victor » 12 Apr 2007 19:16

Video of launch + interviews with DRDO and ISRO.

Crucial techs mastered and validated:
* 2-stage propulsion system.
* Flex-nozzle control system for thrust vectoring during powered phase for precise trajectory control.
* Launch in "severe aero-thermal environment".

Defence Dept claims 4000 km range.

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Postby kmc_chacko » 12 Apr 2007 19:17

Congratulations to all the DRDO scientists.


We should now try to increase the range of Brahmos from 290kms to atleast 1500kms. and make it Nuclear capable & submarine launchable ATV should have it.

Increase the range of AGNI series missiles

and these tests should be done quickly.

Then after these testing we should send the Pakis to the STONE AGE

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Postby sunilUpa » 12 Apr 2007 19:24

kmc_chacko wrote:

Then after these testing we should send the Pakis to the [b]STONE AGE


I strongly protest you insulting.......................................................STONE AGE PEOPLE. Please deposit 1 T Peda with BRF to wash off the sin. :D

Congratulations DRDO.

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Postby Pulikeshi » 12 Apr 2007 19:34

kmc_chacko wrote:Then after these testing we should send the Pakis to the STONE AGE


Why would India want to use the Brahmastra against a chuha? :mrgreen:

Them Pakis have already sold their Musharraf to the highest bidder!

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Postby shiv » 12 Apr 2007 19:37

kmc_chacko wrote:Then after these testing we should send the Pakis to the STONE AGE


Boss hitting Pakistan with this is like eating by passing your right hand behind your head to feed yourself from the left side of your mouth.

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Postby ksmahesh » 12 Apr 2007 19:58

IT IS A DREAM.......

It would be great to see Indian defence system having
a. 2000 A3 with extended range of 20K km.
b. Air, submarine, land based hypersonic Brahmos with range of 4K km (Allow me to dream :) ).
c. Space, air, submarine, land based anti-Ballastic Missile Shield.
d. 2000 fifth generation fighter planes of all makes.
e. Around 1000 bombers (strategic or land attack).
f. Indigenous geostationary sat based communication/surveillance on entire world.
g. Ultra modern Infantry equipment.
h. 5000 MBTs
i. 80 nuclear subs capable of missile strike, 50 disel subs (ultra silent) also with missile launching ability.
j. A unified command for land, sea, air and space based defence assets.
k. India's GDP/capita highest in the world.

amen amen

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Postby sivab » 12 Apr 2007 20:13

Amitabh wrote:What's the problem? Arun's page says 16m.


OK. Looks like Arun hasn't updated all the pictures. There are ones showing 14M.

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Postby pradeepe » 12 Apr 2007 20:33

Flight time has been quoted as 15min.

ArunS earlier wrote 27.5min for a lofted trajectory(1780km) and 7.8 min for a depressed one(100km).

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Postby Gerard » 12 Apr 2007 20:40



Looks like stock archive footage of A1 and A2 launches.

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Postby Arun_S » 12 Apr 2007 20:45

sivab wrote:
Amitabh wrote:What's the problem? Arun's page says 16m.


OK. Looks like Arun hasn't updated all the pictures. There are ones showing 14M.

My bad, I forgot to upload new file. It is being corrected now.

http://broadband.indiatimes.com/videoshow/1896958.cms has the best video coverage, but it has mixed video from A3 launch and A2/A1 launch. The A3 launch is at 1:30minute mark and repeated 2 times in the clip.


Congratulations DRDO and all its labs in particular ASL and Dr RN Agarwal (now retired).

As regarding trajectory, for shorter range generally the second stage flex nozzle is used to screw twist the thrust to waste energy such that at the end of second stage the net velocity is lesser (compared to straight thrust along trajectory). That would account for 15 minutes flight time.

The first stage flex nozzle is critical for depressed trajectory capability.

Overall I am a very happy person today.

One can see PTI etc picking off BR's Agni page content. Also some of the reportes have lifted material from my article in Indian Defense Review Jan-07 issue and July-06 issue. Which is good (at least they did not pickup the Marxisrt feed comming from its paymasters UK-US-China). There in BR serves the nation to bring truth out to Indian people.

the above two IDR articles are here:

Indian Long Range Strategic Missiles - Indian Defense Review Jan-2007 Vol 22(1), by Arun Vishwakarma.

Agni-III Long Range Missile - Indian Defense Review Apr-Jun 2006 Vol.21(2), ISSN 0970-2512 Arun Vishwakarma. Lancer Publishers & Distributors, New Delhi.

The downside is that most have parroted the 1.8m diameter from these articles. Though BR Agni page has till recently asserted 1.8 to 2.0 meter diameter. (One can verify by looking at the olderver version of Agni page, which is available here:
[url]http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MISSILES/Images/Agni%20%5BStrategic%20Ballistic%20Missile%5D%20Rev7.1_15Jan07.pdf]Link to pdf file of earlier version[/url]

So please have patience on the 1.8m question.

Anyone seen any picture released of Agni-III? Looks like Bharat-Rakshak is the only one having Agni-III photo. 8)
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Postby Arun_S » 12 Apr 2007 20:46

Gerard wrote:


Looks like stock archive footage of A1 and A2 launches.


Its mixed: at 1:30 minute mark looks like A3;

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Postby prahaar » 12 Apr 2007 21:04

CNN-IBN did not find it necessary to post a video of this test? Loudmouth Vishal Thapar seems to be on sick leave :P .... after spouting colorful adages for "credibitliy of Indian Deterrent" like "Bark" and Bang for the Buck and someone seems to have gone in hibernation :twisted:

Lets see if he can comeup with equally colorful language in praise of the Agni III success :evil: ......

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Postby Austin » 12 Apr 2007 21:06

Arun indeed BR is the only one to have pics of A 3 , I have seen NDTV using the same image.

I dont recollect which news channel either DD News or NDTV showing a short clip of A 3 taking off

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Postby hnair » 12 Apr 2007 21:12

Arun_S - thanks for that long awaited de-blurring :D

I had a question: all those footages even the one you mentioned at 1:30 in that clip, dont they look too slender to be the A3?

But first, time for me to break into a jig, just for the sheer pleasure of seeing the thunder thighs of this "Slick Smitha" 8)

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Postby Arun_S » 12 Apr 2007 21:13

I have temporarilty move the old thread back to Military Issues & History Forum, so people can find it easier to see the flow.

Also would like to repost this from old thread.

Arun_S wrote:BR is the first with real Agni-III photo. This is from the first test flight which failed.

Image Image
Click for larger image.

Compare the artwork with the real photo.

Higher res version of the pics is available but will not be the first to show our cards.

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Postby Arun_S » 12 Apr 2007 21:18

To prevent snoops from knowing more about Agni-3, I have mauled the Agni-3 pictured with many transformations to before uploading to BR server. Not just resolution but some other twists and distortions have been added.

Chinki go do reverse engineering and keep your analysts busy. ;)

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Postby prahaar » 12 Apr 2007 21:24

What is the brown thing (at the upper end of 1st stage?), is it some kind of launcher equipment visible or some telemetry stuff jutted onto the missile? Pls. enlighten if its a publicly sharable info.

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Postby Austin » 12 Apr 2007 21:24

India successfully tests missile able to hit China

China reacted swiftly saying it hoped that India, "as a country with an important influence in this region, can work to maintain and promote peace and stability in the region.

"We hope they can make a positive contribution in this regard and play a positive role," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said in Beijing

Some Swift talk there :lol:

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Postby marimuthu » 12 Apr 2007 21:28

Arun_S Do you think that the photo you uploaded is ok or can you blurr it a bit more?

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Postby NRao » 12 Apr 2007 21:29

China reacted swiftly saying it hoped that India, "as a country with an important influence in this region, can work to maintain and promote peace and stability in the region.

"We hope they can make a positive contribution in this regard and play a positive role," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said in Beijing


A canned response.

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Postby disha » 12 Apr 2007 21:33

Austin wrote:China reacted swiftly saying it hoped that India, "as a country with an important influence in this region, can work to maintain and promote peace and stability in the region.

"We hope they can make a positive contribution in this regard and play a positive role," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said in Beijing


Aren't we? Or are they saying we need to follow up with AIII+ ;-)

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Postby disha » 12 Apr 2007 21:37

prahaar wrote:What is the brown thing (at the upper end of 1st stage?)...


It is Mia Musharraf's chaddi in a twist. The chaddis were made in China. Do expect a "tit4tat" test from IROT with a 20000000+ flex missile better than flex nozzle cruise+ballistic test.

Congratulations DRDO!
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Postby SaiK » 12 Apr 2007 21:37

shiv wrote:
kmc_chacko wrote:Then after these testing we should send the Pakis to the STONE AGE


Boss hitting Pakistan with this is like eating by passing your right hand behind your head to feed yourself from the left side of your mouth.

shiv, this test did put certain VVIP-DDM-ites into oblivion. They are worser enemies than china, pakistan and including "real pirangs". :wink: :twisted: .

perhaps, those stones will now have to eat the crow-sh!ts, and keep reducing their half lives, with deteriorating news thats eroding these Evil Stones.

:)

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Postby sunilUpa » 12 Apr 2007 21:39

From DN

[quote]India Tests Missile Able to Hit China

AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE, BHUBANESWAR, India


India announced April 12 a successful test-firing of a nuclear-capable intermediate-range ballistic missile that can reach the Chinese cities of Beijing and Shanghai.
The Agni-III missile was launched from Wheeler Island, 180 kilometers (110 miles) northeast of Bhubaneswar, capital of the eastern state of Orissa.
“The 16-metre-long (52-feet) missile weighing 48 tons lifted off successfully from its rail mobile launcher system leaving a trail of orange and yellow smoke,â€

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Postby Vasu » 12 Apr 2007 22:03

AoA!

The Indian media is playing the A3's ability to hit China again and again. Feels really good. Congratulations to DRDO and our scientists.

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Postby ShibaPJ » 12 Apr 2007 22:10

Great news.. Truly marvellous achievement by our scientists.. Congrats.

The BRF discussion on the range is a bit bewildering.. So many different ranges attributed to so many different sources is pure FUD (as NR would say). As Arun has often pointed out, some latest generation ICBMs (Topol, French M-51 etc) & A3's overall dimensions are fairly comparable, so why not the range?

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Postby Raju » 12 Apr 2007 22:10

Vishnu Som on NDTV X-Factor interviewing Santanam, MoS Defence, and SHORT CLIP OF A3.

Also PIC OF A3 ON RAIL LAUNCHER (CLOSE-UP)

DAYTIME LAUNCH OF A3 (ALMOST 10 SECs FOOTAGE)

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Postby Kartik » 12 Apr 2007 22:17

note that the Chinese response was'nt harsh..was more of a conciliatory response- kinda like their tails between their legs as they comment on it..surely they're not thrilled to see Chinese cities of Beijing and Shanghai mentioned everywhere prominently in A-3 articles.. :twisted:

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Postby Sumeet » 12 Apr 2007 22:27

Today i will have my lunch in the chinese restuarant & tip them very well today. If the waitress is hot chinese may be even hug her.

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Postby shyamd » 12 Apr 2007 22:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqtXJOXs7ps

The earlier video I uploaded. Poor quality.

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Postby ramana » 12 Apr 2007 22:31

ShibaPJ wrote:Great news.. Truly marvellous achievement by our scientists.. Congrats.

The BRF discussion on the range is a bit bewildering.. So many different ranges attributed to so many different sources is pure FUD (as NR would say). As Arun has often pointed out, some latest generation ICBMs (Topol, French M-51 etc) & A3's overall dimensions are fairly comparable, so why not the range?


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Postby Cybaru » 12 Apr 2007 22:33

Yawwsome ..

When is the next test now ?? When does the final submarine launched A3SL++ take flight ??

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Postby Sumeet » 12 Apr 2007 22:37

cybaru next hi profile test will be endo atmospheric BMD test in june. Submarine launch Agni is still quite sometime away.

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Postby vsudhir » 12 Apr 2007 22:38

A re-look at Porkiness in comments from Samar Mubarakdumb after last year's failed test....

Agni Missile designers are incompetent: Pakistan scientist

slamabad, July 10 (IANS) The failure of Agni-III reflected 'incompetence' of the Indian missile designers and planners, said an eminent Pakistani scientist.

They would need to go back to the drawing board and take two to three years, unless 'they borrow something from abroad,' said Samar Mubarikmund, chairman of Pakistan's National Engineering and Science Commission (Nescom).

Claiming that Israel was involved in developing India's missile programme, Mubarikmund said Pakistan, which had an 'indigenous' programme of its own, retained superiority over all others in the South Asian region.

Mubarikmund told The News Sunday that the circumstances narrated by the Indians for the failure of the missile test were 'not acceptable.'

The Indian missile met a disaster as it could not attain the altitude where the first stage is over or the second is even ignited.

He disputed the Indian claim, saying that with the range of 3,500 km, the missile had to go above about 800-900 km while the second stage had to be ignited at 28 to 30 km.

'If the missile fell from the height of 12 km, it establishes that either it's motor rocket, the basics of the missile proved failure or the guidance and control system was faulty. In both the probabilities, Indian technology has been exposed in clumsy manners.'

'It is interesting to watch that Indian missile programme that was initiated by French and US assistance and later New Delhi also borrowed Russian technical support has been facing tragedies from the beginning,' the newspaper quoted him as saying.

The newspaper also quoted from official sources to take pot shots at Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

'In fact he (Manmohan Singh) attained high moral ground for his country just to provide cover to constant failures of his country's scientists engaged in developing long-range missiles and they were hesitating from testing the missile,' the sources said.

Pakistan is still maintaining its superiority in missile technology in whole South Asia as it has successfully tested number of missiles with various ranges including Shaheen-II that has the range of the 2,500 km with all remarkably accurate parameters.

These parameters proved in the presence of international neutral empires when the missile hit the target to extent of centimetres accuracy in the Indian Ocean, the sources said.


hah, who's laughing now, I wonder.

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Postby prahaar » 12 Apr 2007 22:40

Look at the typical safety valve inserted by the so-called puki scientist... "unless there is help from abroad". So the kufr success has already been explained for to the "aam junta".

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Postby Arun_S » 12 Apr 2007 22:51

This the best summed up press report, from where else PIB, Minstry Of Defense.

Very careful choice of worlds, one has to read 3 times to absorb it all.

III LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY
[quote] 12:15 IST
Indian scientists today achieved a major milestone in missile technology when they successfully conducted the flight test of the Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM) – AGNI III from the Wheeler Island, off the coast of Orissa at 10.50 this morning. The 16 meter long missile weighing 48 tonnes, lifted off successfully from its Rail Mobile Launcher System leaving a trail of orange and yellow smoke. The missile which has a range of more than 3000 kms is capable of carrying a pay load of 1.5 Tonnes. The trajectory of AGNI III is computed by the onboard computer system based on the launch and target coordinates. During the flight the missile has no communication with the ground systems and is autonomous and fully `intelligent’ to reach its designated target. With this success, the design team is happy that the problems faced in the previous attempt on July 09 last year has been fully understood and solved.

The entire flight path of approx 15 minutes duration validated all mission objectives primarily to establish the performance of the two stage propulsion in flight and the flex nozzle control system being attempted by DRDO scientists for the very first time. The flight was tracked from ground stations at Dhamra, ITR, Balasore, Port Blair and two Indian Naval ships in the Indian Ocean. Shri M Natarajan, Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri made a specific reference to the achievement of high degree of self reliance in AGNI III, as most of the sub systems have been developed within the country with the synergy between DRDO – Industry (both Public and Private sector) and Academia. As per the Mission Director, Shri Avinash Chander, many “firstsâ€

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Postby SaiK » 12 Apr 2007 22:51

vsudhir.. its dated.. btw, still applicable. now i am thinking 4k and they must feel irrelevance or perhaps chinkies are asking them better counter the 4k walas, or else you would not get more missiles and nuke supplies.

sumeet, try spicy baby-corn-szechwan or something.. and avoid hot-waiters :twisted: . btw, for the waitress drop one agni shaped szechwan (red hot sauce dipped) corn into her mouth as well.

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