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Postby JaiS » 15 Jul 2007 07:31

Rakesh,

Sorry to be causing extra admin work, but I would like to repeat my previous request of deleting irrelevant posts from the last 2 pages of the previous thread and archiving it. It has a lot of important information.

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Postby mandrake » 16 Jul 2007 03:36

Mods please archive the previous thread. btw, As I was talking of Indian Scramjet works for HSTDV by DRDL, here you go it was from this article.

PDF : Scramjet Combustor Developement

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Postby Rakesh » 16 Jul 2007 04:36

JaiS wrote:Rakesh,

Sorry to be causing extra admin work, but I would like to repeat my previous request of deleting irrelevant posts from the last 2 pages of the previous thread and archiving it. It has a lot of important information.


Jai, please advise which posts you would like me to delete. I will archive the thread after deleting them.

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Postby JaiS » 16 Jul 2007 06:16

Hi Rakesh,

IMHO, posts on page 8 beginning with user karthik's post -> Posted: 14 Jul 2007 02:28 pm and ending on Page 9 with user JCage's post -> Posted: 14 Jul 2007 06:06 pm, can be dispensed off with.

JMT. Thanks.

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Postby vina » 16 Jul 2007 12:48

Human Rights Campaigners get all worked up over ALH Transfer to Burma

BBC NEWS
'Threat' to EU-Burma embargo
A European Union arms embargo against Burma is being threatened by Indian plans to sell an attack helicopter to the Rangoon regime, a new report says.

The report, from Amnesty International and a number of other NGOs, focuses on India's Advanced Light Helicopter.

It says the ALH includes parts and technology from France, Belgium, the UK, Germany, Sweden and Italy.

Transferring the craft to Burma risks making a mockery of the EU's ban on all sales there, Amnesty says.

Burma, also known as Myanmar, is ruled by a military junta which suppresses almost all dissent and wields absolute power in the face of international condemnation and sanctions.

Greater attention has to be given to the end-use agreements and the re-export of components from EU member states
Helen Hughes, Amnesty International

The generals and the army stand accused of gross human rights abuses, including the forcible relocation of civilians and the widespread use of forced labour, which includes children.

"The EU embargo explicitly states that no military equipment should be supplied, either directly or indirectly, for use in Myanmar [Burma]" Roy Isbister from Saferworld, one of the report's compilers, said.

"What's the point in having an arms embargo if it is not going to be implemented or enforced?"

Foreign technology

The BBC's diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus says the ALH can be used for a variety of tasks.

It has an anti-tank role but can also be used for counter-insurgency operations and can be equipped with both rockets and a 20mm gun.

Unarmed versions can be used for logistical support and observation.

The ALH was developed in association with Eurocopter Deutschland and is built by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited - whose helicopter division has in the past produced machines based on French designs.

According to the report, the Indian-made helicopter would not even be operational without vital parts from the EU member states, including:

* Rocket launchers from Belgium

* Rockets, guns and engines from France

* Brake systems from Italy

* Fuel tanks and gearboxes from the UK

* Self-protection equipment from a Swedish company

* And German assistance in design development.

Complex trade

Should the proposed transfer go ahead, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Sweden and the UK could therefore be undermining an EU arms embargo on Burma in place since 1988, the report's authors say.

Our correspondent says the ALH's development illustrates the complexity of the international arms trade which now involves co-operation and technology transfer as much as simple nation-to-nation sales.

Amnesty International's arms control researcher Helen Hughes says that the ALH case shows the need for a tightening of international arms controls:

"Greater attention has to be given to the end-use agreements and the re-export of components from EU member states. Otherwise, these states could find themselves indirectly propping up a brutal regime which they themselves have condemned and whose violations have amounted to crimes against humanity."

Though India is not itself restricted by such an arms ban, the report calls on the EU to begin immediate consultations with its government to press for a rethink on the plan.

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Postby chandan » 16 Jul 2007 13:48

only one question....can anybody answer ...what are the components which india is gonna manufacture & design in our ..so called ...INDEGINIOUS ALH ? :(

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Postby JCage » 16 Jul 2007 13:55

chandan wrote:only one question....can anybody answer ...what are the components which india is gonna manufacture & design in our ..so called ...INDEGINIOUS ALH ? :(


Approximately 84-86% airframe of the ALH is indigenous (see Standing Committee report on HAL), bar the engine which is the Turbomeca-HAL Shakti. The remaining import items are built up items some of which will be replaced by Indian made systems (eg displays, self defence suite) whereas others are where we dont have a ready range of products.

HAL is actually attempting to increase the indigenization by roping in private firms and SMEs for small unit run items. There have been multiple meetings held, including public ones where HAL has offered design, infrastructure and manpower assistance for making these subcomponents. The SMEs in particular because they can be competitive at small production batches.

The above issue is going to be faced even while procuring any imported chopper. For eg when Denel offered the Rooivalk in an informal proposal to India, they were clear that almost all of the airframe subsystems were sourced from European firms, where again, there is no single firm with all the components.

The same holds true for all choppers worldwide, including the Franco-German ones and the Agusta-Westland.

The greatest amount of national sourcing, ie components sourced from within the same country is viz Russian choppers, followed by American. The former are not exactly benchmarks in terms of technology in several key parameters, whereas the latter also use built up subsystems and ancillaries from many Italian and German firms.

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Postby sanjaychoudhry » 16 Jul 2007 14:03

We all know why these "human rights bodies" froth in the mouth and flail their arms at any mention of arms transfer to Burma.

Burma wants helicopters and arms to crush the rebels operating in its jungles, both Burmese militants and Christian terrorists from Indian north east. All these "freedom fighters" are being supported by White Christians. Hence all this mock outrage at arms transfers to Burma.

The moment Burma acquires enough muscle to inflict heavy damage on these rebels, the whole insurgency setup established by Westerners will be compromised.

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Postby JCage » 16 Jul 2007 14:08

Leaving the religious aspect out of it.. what I would ask is:

-Where is the outrage when the JF-17 (with French, German components galore) is sold to Pakistan
-Where is the outrage when EF's are sold to a state sponsor of terrorism like Saudi Arabia? Or Tornados, or Hawks?

Amnesty is a hypocritical joke of the first order and their selective support of terrorism is well known.

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Postby JCage » 16 Jul 2007 14:24

On a related note..

DRDO award for NSTL scientist
Tuesday July 10 2007 14:39 IST
VISAKHAPATNAM: CD Malleswar, a scientist of Naval Science and Technological Laboratory (NSTL), was presented the DRDO Scientist of the Year award for 2006. He received the award from Prime Minister Manmohan Singh at a function held in New Delhi on July 7, according to a press release by NSTL Director V Bhujanga Rao.

The award was given in recognition to Malleswar’s contribution to integrated anti-submarine warfare and helicopter fire control systems for the Indian Navy. These are the systems that helped NSTL in achieving self-reliance in weapon fire control systems and resulted in a saving of about Rs 100 crore.

Malleswar is an alumni of the National Defence College, New Delhi and a recipient of the DRDO Technology Group Award in 2004.

Disabled welfare: At a camp conducted by NSTL Seva Samiti, light weight calipers manufactured by ALIMCO, Kanpur were fitted to the polio patients.

Eighty persons benefited from the NSTL Seva Samiti’s largess.


About the Naval ALH..

LRDE SV-2000 radar
KITE ESM variant from DRDL
Mihir dunking sonar/winch + sonobuoys from NPOL
Light torpedo from NSTL
Fire control system from NSTL
Trials with all the above concluded, additional modes on the radar being included- SAR to be added as well.

A tactical mission system from ADA, for integrating all the above followin which all the integrated ALH trials will be done mid 2008

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Postby Philip » 16 Jul 2007 14:51

The BBC this morning had a pic of the army/armed version (with rockets,cannon)of the ALH which is being offered to Burma.Amnesty Intl. has protested about the sale as the helo incorporates European components (engine,etc.).The report dsplayed a brochure with other pics too.

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Postby abhischekcc » 16 Jul 2007 17:34

There is one positive fallout from the ALH for Burma controversy.

Many people who have not heard of HAL/ALH will now come to know about it, in many parts of the world. Talk of free publicity. 8) May this controversy grow further and engulf the whole world.

May the ALH fly to all parts fo the world, courtesy BBC, Amnesty, and other dorks.

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Postby mandrake » 16 Jul 2007 18:28

JCage wrote:
chandan wrote:only one question....can anybody answer ...what are the components which india is gonna manufacture & design in our ..so called ...INDEGINIOUS ALH ? :(


Approximately 84-86% airframe of the ALH is indigenous (see Standing Committee report on HAL), bar the engine which is the Turbomeca-HAL Shakti. The remaining import items are built up items some of which will be replaced by Indian made systems (eg displays, self defence suite) whereas others are where we dont have a ready range of products.

HAL is actually attempting to increase the indigenization by roping in private firms and SMEs for small unit run items. There have been multiple meetings held, including public ones where HAL has offered design, infrastructure and manpower assistance for making these subcomponents. The SMEs in particular because they can be competitive at small production batches.

The above issue is going to be faced even while procuring any imported chopper. For eg when Denel offered the Rooivalk in an informal proposal to India, they were clear that almost all of the airframe subsystems were sourced from European firms, where again, there is no single firm with all the components.

The same holds true for all choppers worldwide, including the Franco-German ones and the Agusta-Westland.

The greatest amount of national sourcing, ie components sourced from within the same country is viz Russian choppers, followed by American. The former are not exactly benchmarks in terms of technology in several key parameters, whereas the latter also use built up subsystems and ancillaries from many Italian and German firms.


The engines are least of our concern because we make 100% of the engine inhouse, Also they knows very well bering a JV they cannot dictate end user agreement through EU, but small things from firms can be dictated as they are not under any sorts of JV.

btw, Self protection system from Sweden? Is he talking of MAWS?

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Postby vina » 16 Jul 2007 18:35

I was watching a program on NDTV titled "Walk The Talk" .. An interview with L&Ts CEO Naik by Srinivasan Jain..

Naik while recounting his 22 years with the company and it's development to what it is today, didnt mince any words about the past govt policies.

On a question about power projects and future growth ,esp in areas like Nuclear power, Naik said that L&T built the first Calendria for RAPS II,(RAPS I) was imported from Canada.. After that they were made to exit that business and hand that over to BHEL ! And he said , look at the power plants the Russians are putting up for $2b in Tamil Nadu.. and where they could have been if they hadn't been crippled by the govt.

On offshore, he recounted how they managed to set up the Hazira facilities. They applied for a license in 1983, rejected.. Applied for licenses two more times before 1990, rejected... The govt handed licenses out to Vizag HSL and another Govt yard.. Nothing came out of those yards.. Then they were given a one time license and they set up hazira.. Luckily liberalization happened and they could continue building more offshore structures.. and currently have around 60% of the Indian market ! .. I am sure HSL and the other govt yards are still sitting on their backsides.

On defense, he said that until very recently, they were forced to work with a DRDO , essentially to make prototypes out of the DRDO designs.. At the end of it, they had to hand everything off to the Ordnance Factories.. He said that they dont make any money out of it and they do it to keep the engineers excited and as "national" service.. He said that their defense business over the next 6 years is Rs 3000 crores (with firm orders).

He was emphatic on chinese competitng via undervalued currency..He estimated 25% undervaluation and said that was a direct subsidy by the Chinese govt and was peeved that they lost a 500 crore power plant order to the Chinese with a 8% cost difference and said, let the Chinese float their currency freely and we will cream them .

On the offshore fiasco, he was scathing. He said that in the 90s, India spent around $7b (if I heard him right or $700m otherwise) on offshore platforms and structures.. Companies all over the world could bid for the tenders, but an Indian company could not , because it was "reserved" for PSUs.

It is the same old sad story of the ham handed babu monkeys in Delhi with the ISI/JNU/DSE command control ideology fetish killing prosperity (for good of the people of course) and keeping India poor and industrially handicapped (in the name of the people of course)..

It really is a travesty that the totalitarian control freaks and junkies of yesteryears from the Planning commission and the economics ministries are not even called to account, but seamlessly moved on to become "hallowed" figures.. Likes of Manmohan Singh and Amartya Sen and the reset of them, should be asked publicly what responsibility do they and their ilk accept for the mass misery they inflicted on atleast 2 generations of Indians.. I just hope that next time one of those guys make an appearance on a TV interview, some journalist gets the testicular fortitude to ask those questions.. (just wait for the dissembling if such a question is asked).

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Postby Ananth » 17 Jul 2007 02:48

Vina,

Thanks for the nice summary of the interview. Regarding flawed policies of the past, all i can say is mistakes are committed and it took time to get rid of those mistakes. L&T is a victim of those policies. Initial priority to commanding heights policy created with itself a constituency, which kept on feeding on itself.

On the it is kind of good in a way. Imagine the pain if we would have still continued to follow those policies. Today there is very little political capital available to restore those flawed policies. Regarding planning commission, I think it still serves the purpose of planning and has an important role in governence. All governmental policies need a thorough evaluation and planning commission is kind of nodal agency. The day when such analysis can be done by other economic/public policy research institutes we can slowly disband PC.

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Postby JCage » 17 Jul 2007 03:28

>>On defense, he said that until very recently, they were forced to work with a DRDO , essentially to make prototypes out of the DRDO designs.. At the end of it, they had to hand everything off to the Ordnance Factories.. He said that they dont make any money out of it and they do it to keep the engineers excited and as "national" service..


a bit of correction there...since the OFB never got into anything beyond the army stuff...and thank goodness for that..! The DRDO requested that L&T be given more responsibility and production certification, but the commie lobby regarded it and business to Godrej etc as being a capitalist conspiracy..
Now things are different. Money making isnt a shameful offence in India anymore..

He said that their defense business over the next 6 years is Rs 3000 crores (with firm orders).


..which points to how much things have changed!
Thats around $ 670 Million. But is this enough?

Certainly not. BEL for instance hopes to leverage its offset, DRDO and import available tech etc to grow into a $ 2 Billion turnover company over the next 4 years.

I think L&T has some advantages where it can really come good. One is the Abhay IFV, they should aggressively lobby DRDO and MOD to take over production for that program. They will face resistance from MOD & OFB which will point to Medak as being idle- but that arguement can be met in part by transferring T- series overhaul (and boy do we need that) and BMP upgrades/overhauls there.

What surprises me constantly about some of our desi conglomerates is the lack of aggressiveness and vision. They want TOT and offsets and to displace the PSUs from the easy pickings pie. But wont put their money where their mouth is and go for the high risk and high reward stakes! Looks like they know the services!

But even so, I hope L&T doesnt fall into this trap. They should try for the Abhay, the 155mm Artillery plan and every big system manufacture they can think of, and aggressively tie up with DRDO/CSIR for local projects galore. Then they will automatically be on equal footing with the DPSUs and its a win win for India. More competition & economy of scale.

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Postby Kartman » 17 Jul 2007 19:57

joey wrote:The engines are least of our concern because we make 100% of the engine inhouse


Joey: I'm sure I speak for many of us when I say that we admire your youthful energy and enthu to learn :)

But why go overboard with statements like the above ? Do we really make 100% or 400% of the engine inhouse ? I understand and empathise with your anguish when people spout bilge, but the answer is not to give knee-jerk reactions, no ?

Rhetoric is for those who don't have hard facts in their favour... such as our long-lost, Enlightenedly Moderated brothers to the west, or the gentle People's Lepubrik up north.

When 90% of what you post is good, hard facts, don't give people a chance to pick on you for the remaining 10%... just get rid of that 10% onlee, which doesn't add value anyway :)

Take it FWIW, JMHO, etc., etc.

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Postby A Sharma » 24 Jul 2007 01:46

DRDO Technology focus for August
Good info and pics of Dhanush

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Postby bala » 24 Jul 2007 02:20

Talking about the ordnance factories in India, the sooner these are dismantled and given to the private firms like Godrej, L&T and Tata the better of the nation will be. For god's sakes these are ancient dilapidated outfits with the laziest workers ( if they ever turn up). Most of the workers are into other side jobs or playing games/smoking/drinking and commiserating with fellow Leftists Karats/Yechuris. Not one good reform idea ever gets past these bandicoots, the less said about the management cabal herding these slobs.

Only a few OFBs have transformed themselves like INSAS OFB with ISO 9000 rating, though more can be done to spruce up things.

Outfits like Godrej, L&T and Tata should dream bigger than the DRDO contracts and probably try to corner the entire world arms market manufacture via collaboration with leading vendors.

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Postby mandrake » 28 Jul 2007 01:13

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Postby A Sharma » 29 Jul 2007 21:22

Scientists develop infra-red device to predict snow storms

NEW DELHI: Scientists have indigenously developed an infra-red device that can predict ice-storms and avalanches, a boon for troops deployed in high-altitude areas.

The infra-red probe, developed by researchers at Chandigarh-based Central Scientific Instruments Organisation (CSIO), monitors snow temperatures round-the-clock to keep a close watch on the rate of glacial melt.

"The indigenously developed device assists defence forces in troop deployment by providing them details about inclement weather in advance," M A Shamshi, a CSIO scientist whose team developed the instrument, said.

The device has been installed at few places in the upper reaches of Jammu and Kashmir and Himachal Pradesh and has started transmitting data via satellite on an hourly basis to the Snow and Avalanche Study Establishment (SASE) in Chandigarh.

The instrument can operate in harsh weather in snow-bound areas and give warnings about the time and area likely to be hit by ice-storms and avalanches.

It can operate in extreme temperatures as low as minus 40 degrees Celsius and as high as 50 degrees, withstand high relative humidity and wind speeds of up to 200 km an hour, Shamshi said.

The instrument's main component is a detector that converts radiant energy into electrical energy. This is read by a processor and displayed on a LCD screen.

Similar devices were earlier imported from Finland and Switzerland but the indigenous one costs only a fraction of their price.

The device works on a simple principle that all objects emit infra-red radiation generated by vibrations and rotations of atoms and molecules within matter, Shamshi said.

"It has censors that receive infra-red radiation generated by vibrations and rotations of atoms and molecules within matter. As temperature increases, molecular activity increases and the object generates more energy," he said.

The CSIO has already received orders for over 50 devices from the army, Border Roads Organisation and paramilitary forces like the Central Reserve Police Force and Border Security Force.

It plans to install two more instruments in the upper Himalayan region in the next few weeks to measure the hardness profile and snow temperature.

"We will have field trials this winter. Snow hardness will be measured for every five mm to generate a profile of all snow caps," another CSIO scientist said.

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Postby JCage » 29 Jul 2007 22:12

A Sharma wrote:DRDO Technology focus for August
Good info and pics of Dhanush


Maz, if you are around, look at the Flight control system upgrade. As I had mentioned a long time back, as the need demands - upgrades occur and there is ample ability within India to upgrade homegrown systems iteratively. We tend to use exactly what is necessary.

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Postby Baljeet » 29 Jul 2007 22:42

He was emphatic on chinese competitng via undervalued currency..He estimated 25% undervaluation and said that was a direct subsidy by the Chinese govt and was peeved that they lost a 500 crore power plant order to the Chinese with a 8% cost difference and said, let the Chinese float their currency freely and we will cream them .


Vina
If chinese float their currency they will lose all their low cost production leverage. Its not just us who will cream them, so will other ASEAN countries. Regardless of low cost production advantage there are few good quality product that comes from chinese manufacturing.

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Postby A Sharma » 30 Jul 2007 05:17

From Astra Microwave annual report 2007

Successful completion of T/R modules for phased array radars in S band. Its a unique achievement for a private sector company in India.

Working on subsystems for Astra, Pechora, Brahmos

Working on LNA, Seeker components, telemetry products, power amplifiers.

Flight Model T/R modules for 'RISAT' program for ISRO entered critical stage of delivery

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Postby Sumeet » 30 Jul 2007 18:07

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/45793/pla ... i-boy.html

What defense application can be of this device developed by rishin which is also being sought after by some leading defense force ?

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Postby mandrake » 30 Jul 2007 18:42

Sumeet wrote:http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/45793/planet-to-be-named-after-mumbai-boy.html

What defense application can be of this device developed by rishin which is also being sought after by some leading defense force ?


Each time I hear this news, I feel extremely sad, I really think our government has failed big time to CREATE IPR, Why US? Why not India? Why cannot a Indian company patent his work? Why is media giving such publicity to this? When will our media learn that most teenagers dont even know the word called nation building, and when they knows its too late. All these hypes has been so much hyped that going to US and study is being the first and foremost motto of our guys these days, What a sad day of another form of colonialism!

:(

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Postby R Sharma » 30 Jul 2007 19:08


PostPosted: 30 Jul 2007 Post subject:
Sumeet wrote:
http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/45793/pla ... i-boy.html

What defense application can be of this device developed by rishin which is also being sought after by some leading defense force ?


Each time I hear this news, I feel extremely sad, I really think our government has failed big time to CREATE IPR, Why US? Why not India? Why cannot a Indian company patent his work? Why is media giving such publicity to this? When will our media learn that most teenagers dont even know the word called nation building, and when they knows its too late. All these hypes has been so much hyped that going to US and study is being the first and foremost motto of our guys these days, What a sad day of another form of colonialism!


You might want to do some research on this topic. India actually has a pretty good IPR system. It is up to the individual to apply for a patent rather than the government confer one to the individual. Every country which is part of the WTO, is required to enact IPR laws in order to meet the basic requirements for membership.

Take the case of Spreadsheets. It was created by two scientists in MIT way back in the 70s, but they never patented the technology which allowed others like Microsoft, Apple etc. to go ahead and make millions off of someone else's invention. The actual inventors did not make any profits on their idea. Whose fault is that?

If you want some reading material, just look up TRIPS, The Trade Marks Bill (1999), Industrial Designs Bill, The Patents Act, to name a few. This should give you a start. The mechanisms in place in India are comparable to the US. Now if you are talking about enforcement, that is a different matter all together. But as far as laws go, the mechanisms are already in place for inventors.

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Postby Sumeet » 30 Jul 2007 20:06

joey wrote:
Sumeet wrote:http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/45793/planet-to-be-named-after-mumbai-boy.html

What defense application can be of this device developed by rishin which is also being sought after by some leading defense force ?


Each time I hear this news, I feel extremely sad, I really think our government has failed big time to CREATE IPR, Why US? Why not India? Why cannot a Indian company patent his work? Why is media giving such publicity to this? When will our media learn that most teenagers dont even know the word called nation building, and when they knows its too late. All these hypes has been so much hyped that going to US and study is being the first and foremost motto of our guys these days, What a sad day of another form of colonialism! :(


Joey more than anything what bothers me is why didn't this guy demonstrate it to our armed forces, DRDO & Co. ? Or he did but they weren't interested ? Or they didn't notice this development and some foreign firm/defense force pounced on it before them ?

I still believe this guy can deny foreigners access to his secret and give it to DRDO & Co. I can name many indian universities which are better than UNM for BS/BE/BTech in EE anyday.

Can you guess what will be reaction from american govt. if some US citizen who has developed certain piece of technology, which is sought after by defense firm/forces, decides to share it with some foreign country ?

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Postby mandrake » 30 Jul 2007 23:20

Sumeet wrote:
joey wrote:
Sumeet wrote:http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/45793/planet-to-be-named-after-mumbai-boy.html

What defense application can be of this device developed by rishin which is also being sought after by some leading defense force ?


Each time I hear this news, I feel extremely sad, I really think our government has failed big time to CREATE IPR, Why US? Why not India? Why cannot a Indian company patent his work? Why is media giving such publicity to this? When will our media learn that most teenagers dont even know the word called nation building, and when they knows its too late. All these hypes has been so much hyped that going to US and study is being the first and foremost motto of our guys these days, What a sad day of another form of colonialism! :(


Joey more than anything what bothers me is why didn't this guy demonstrate it to our armed forces, DRDO & Co. ? Or he did but they weren't interested ? Or they didn't notice this development and some foreign firm/defense force pounced on it before them ?

I still believe this guy can deny foreigners access to his secret and give it to DRDO & Co. I can name many indian universities which are better than UNM for BS/BE/BTech in EE anyday.

Can you guess what will be reaction from american govt. if some US citizen who has developed certain piece of technology, which is sought after by defense firm/forces, decides to share it with some foreign country ?


Exactly! And look at the media, They ALWAYS portrays anything US as somethinc cooler than thou, I dont get their ridiculous mindset, they dont get this that they are creating a general consensus of the same in the mindset of thousands of Indians. Anyways check your mail after a hour or so.

R Sharma I'm talking of enforcement.

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Postby R Sharma » 31 Jul 2007 07:49

Another thing of note though is that the Los Alamos is in New Mexico so the UNM thing might be to go there eventually. Anyway, how are you so sure that it was the US that approached him and not the Indian armed forces? He doesn't indicate it anywhere, and the army hat in the video is the Indian Army camo. Just food for thought.

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Postby narmad » 01 Aug 2007 00:46

India Retains BrahMos Chief for Missile’s Upgrade

The Indian government has extended the term of Sivathanu Pillai as head of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile project to oversee its upgrade to hypersonic level, Defence Ministry sources said.

Sources in the Defence Ministry, however, say the BrahMos is being upgraded into a hypersonic missile. Moscow has approved the upgrade, they said.

The ministry sources said the chief of the government’s Defence Research and Development Organisation was reluctant to extend Pillai, but Defence Minister A.K. Anthony pressed to keep him on the job for another two years.

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BEL to export anti-infiltration radar to Indonesia

Postby sunilUpa » 05 Aug 2007 18:42

NEW DELHI: Striving for long to break into the lucrative arms export market, India has finally managed to get a toehold by bagging an order for sale of short-range battle field surveillance radar to Indonesia.

The sale order is eventful as the Indian company, which won the order, was in strong competition with some of the world's leading radar and electronic warfare equipment manufacturers like American Raytheon and European consortium Thales.

The contract for the sale of man-portable battery- powered surveillance and acquisition radar has been won by public sector blue chip company Bharat Electronic Limited (BEL) for which it will be a maiden test in export. The company recently won the coveted 'Navaratna' title and in the last fiscal reported a turn over of Rs 4,240 crore logging a profit of Rs 724.55 crore.


The radars being sold are capable of detecting moving targets like foot-patrols, army and civil vehicles, tanks and artillery pieces. "These are ideal for checking illegal incursion on borders of all terrain".

BEL officials were not forthcoming on the number of radar systems being sold. But Defence Ministry sources said the initial order could be anything up to 100 systems. BEL has recently set up an extensive facility for manufacture of such radars as already it has a big contract for such systems from the Indian Army.

The man-packed battle field surveillance radar indigenously developed by DRDO are being used by army successfully in detecting and confronting infiltration across the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir in tandem with sensors and hand-held thermals imported from Israel.

"Supplies to India Army began in March 2005," the BEL official said adding the mobile radars can be carried in three man-packs for deployment to any location.

Radars are light weight, man-portable and can be quickly deployed. They can operate 24-hours a day under all weather conditions, officials said. Radars have low probability of interception, can track 50 targets at the same time, can also classify targets, based on audio doppler signature and have the provisions to network with other radar systems for wider area coverage.


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Postby Lkawamoto » 05 Aug 2007 20:00

aditya armoured carrer

usa is interested in this vehicle -

but the response is:

B P Bapu, joint general manager of the ordnance factory in Medak that produces the Aditya, said the Army had ordered a large number of vehicles and the unit could not aspire for any export orders now.

questions:

should a factory foreman decide what /when should be exported or not exported?

should not someone higher up make export related statements in stead of wild statements?

whats the purpose of this news headline if india is not ready to export a certain item... to score points that "look, see, usa interested ...."

this small incident highlights the lack of business oriented thinking in indian government and lack of structured corporate communications policy

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Postby JCage » 05 Aug 2007 20:21

First:

He is not the factory foreman. He is the Joint general manager of the ordnance factory in Medak and he is perfectly within his rights to state what his factorys capacity is and whether he can or cannot execute an export order.

There is a difference between the two terms.

Second:
"whats the purpose of this news headline if india is not ready to export a certain item... to score points that "look, see, usa interested ...."


Its a news item. It will state whats going on. The media sensationalizes.

Third:
"should not someone higher up make export related statements in stead of wild statements? "


The manager of a production unit is sufficiently senior to interact with a media.

Fourth:

Its the GOIs decision whether to export/not export MPVs to Iraq. But its also clear that exporting the same will require extra capacity if we go by this report.

What is so amazing about that.

Fifth:

"this small incident highlights the lack of business oriented thinking in indian government and lack of structured corporate communications policy"


Wokay. As far as policy is concerned, yes export should be a good priority for OFB to modernise, but still dont see why a manager cant state the facts as they are.

Seems to be a rather tenuous line of thinking in your post.

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Postby Sparsh » 06 Aug 2007 00:58

The same tenuous line of thinking will be the first one to call Medak all sorts of names when the IA's delivery schedule is stretched out and delayed as a result of diverting capacity to fulfill export orders.

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Postby A Sharma » 06 Aug 2007 07:59

Science of future

“NANOTECHNOLOGY is the future,â€

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Postby Rahul M » 06 Aug 2007 15:50

somebody I know is doing research on GaAs at Jadavpur University and his research is funded by DRDO.

btw the person himself is a trainee monk of Ramakrishna Mission ! talk about balancing modernity and heritage !!

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