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Postby Kersi D » 28 Oct 2007 19:41

K Mehta wrote:how much royalty or money for product developed does DRDO get?
Specifically how much % profit is awarded to DRDO by say BEL or L&T?

I think the answer is no but would like to have a confirmation. Isnt it time that DRDO should get some share of the profit the DPSUs make? This way it would reward projects that are successful and let DRDO have some financial fruits of its successes.


I think you are tryig to kill DRDO !!!

If there is a procedure that the DPSUs give a certain percentage royalty they will make sure that no DRDO product ever reaches the production stage. They ( individuals, not PSUs ) will be paid of by the firangis

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SELF RELIANCE IN WARSHIP TECHNOLOGY

Postby sunilUpa » 30 Oct 2007 18:37

SELF RELIANCE IN WARSHIP TECHNOLOGY

Some warship technology products developed by Naval Science and Technological Laboratory (NSTL), Vishakapatnam will be handed over to Indian Navy in Vishakapatnam tomorrow. Dr A Sivathanu Pillai, Chief Controller (R&D), DRDO will hand over the products to Vice Admiral DSP Varma, Chief of Materials, Naval Headquarters.

NSTL is involved in development of warship technologies useful for evading detection by enemy, ships / submarines. These technologies are aimed for use in modern warships under design and construction. NSTL has nurtured these technologies in the recent past and is progressing strongly towards self reliance in this critical arena. Warship technology is a multidisciplinary field covering different aspect such as acoustics and electro-magnetics covering a wide band of frequencies. Hence an inter disciplinary and holistic approach has been adopted in developing these products.

A number of products were developed by NSTL to avert damages to naval ships in enemy attacks. Some of the products developed are acoustics enclosures, acoustic silencers, double stage vibration isolation system, Radar transparent ladder, stanchions, camouflage screens, helo net frames and composite blowers among many others. All these products were subjected to extensive laboratory and shipboard evaluations. After successful evaluations, these products were accepted for induction into Indian Navy.

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Postby putnanja » 08 Nov 2007 06:45

Astra missile to be fitted on Su-30MKI

[quote] Astra missile to be fitted on Su-30MKI

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BANGALORE: In what is perceived to be a significant boost to India’s air dominance, the indigenously designed and developed Astra beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) is to be test-fired from the Indian Air Force’s (IAF’s) most lethal airborne platform, the Su-30MKI long-range multi-role fighter.

Part of India’s Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme that was developed by a team of defence laboratories led by the Hyderabad-based Defence Research and Development Laboratory, the Astra BVRAAM has the ability to evade radar and hit targets up to a range of 80 km. Astra was successfully test fired first in May 2003 from the Chandipur (Orissa) Interim Test Range (ITR). The IAF’s Bangalore-based Software Development Institute (SDI) has received the indigenously manufactured Su-30MKI systems integration rig which will simulate the aircraft’s equipment hardware and software. The SDI will implement requisite changes to the rig’s software and integrate it with the hardware. They will then test the Astra missile using the systems integration rig. The on ground simulated tests are expected to be over by December.

Once simulated tests are successful the integration of the Astra on to the Su-30MKI’s wing will be undertaken at the Bangalore located Aircraft Systems and Testing Establishment (ASTE). The IAF will attach a Su-30MKI to the ASTE for this purpose.

Sources told The Hindu that initially the aircraft will only undertake dummy or carrier trials, carrying a missile which has not been electrically or electronically ‘connected’ to the on-board systems. Once successful the missile will be “connectedâ€

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Postby shyamd » 08 Nov 2007 19:01

DRDO develops tiny spy gadget
(IANS)
28 October 2007


AGRA — Indian scientists have developed a tiny gadget that can keep an eye on enemy territory and help in traffic management.

This was disclosed at a Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) meeting here.

Lt. Gen. V.J. Sundaram and Balraj Gupta of the DRDO, on Friday said the tiny unmanned device can remain in air for 15 to 20 minutes and send photographic data to computer networks. Soldiers on the borders can also use it to observe movements across enemy lines. Only 30 cm wide, the device looks like a bird to untrained eyes. It can survey an area of roughly one square kilometre from a height of 500 metres. It weighs about 400 gm and is powered by a rechargeable battery.

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Postby Raj Malhotra » 09 Nov 2007 11:55

The Army spokesman has praised the efforts of DRDO and stated that the UAV will be inducted into IA after the last batch of user trials to demonstrate minimum GSQR


-The UAV should be able to attain supersonic speed without breaking the speed barrier.


-The UAV should be able to listen to Chinese PM snoring in Beijing while flying over Islamabad

-When endangered the UAV should be able to dive into ground and emerge from another end of the earth without losing communication with IA headquaters

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Postby K Mehta » 09 Nov 2007 12:11

We expect the first AWACS aircraft to be delivered by August or September next year and also our indigenous AWACS programme is progressing well.

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Good news or DDM?
Hope its good news.

Kersi sir please explain how it will kill DRDO?

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Postby JCage » 09 Nov 2007 12:24

K Mehta wrote:
We expect the first AWACS aircraft to be delivered by August or September next year and also our indigenous AWACS programme is progressing well.

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Good news or DDM?
Hope its good news.

Kersi sir please explain how it will kill DRDO?


Looks like the IAF- R&D squabble over the AWACS config has been resolved.

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Postby gopal.suri » 09 Nov 2007 12:39

JCage wrote:
K Mehta wrote:
We expect the first AWACS aircraft to be delivered by August or September next year and also our indigenous AWACS programme is progressing well.

Link
Good news or DDM?
Hope its good news.

Kersi sir please explain how it will kill DRDO?


Looks like the IAF- R&D squabble over the AWACS config has been resolved.


Where is the Airforce - R&D squabble reported?

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Postby JCage » 09 Nov 2007 15:10

Widely reported earlier, about the IAF wanting a midway GSQR change to a heavier platform. Looks like DRDO had all their signatures and statements recorded, so they couldnt do a midway change!

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Postby gopal.suri » 09 Nov 2007 15:28

I don't know what is widely reported. But I haven't seen a DRDO-IAF spat report yet.

Most of th proofs of concept has been shown to IAF. Just that DRDO has emphasized that the delay is not from their side. I dug around with people I know, they too say there is no spat. All DRDO said this time is that if IAF's requirement is different on platform, lets figure it out together, but, don't blame us. DRDO ain't loosing if IAF has AWACS or not.

In fact, the relations are more cordial this time. DRDO is confident that the technologies can be fit into any size of the aircraft. Just that they need time to integrate it and then test it. The other factor is the aircraft will have to be modified with IAF, DRDO and Manufacture together. DRDO will not let IAF play auditor this time.

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Postby JCage » 09 Nov 2007 16:15

Yeah, thats the same thing moreorless..
DRDO guys are very reluctant to mention anything about any kind of difference, word is that initially the IAF was fully on board for the AWACs design and everything went well. Once everything was well underway, the usual gyaan of lets get something bigger and better started once Pak committed to the Erieye. Then discussions took place and the original decision stood. Thats the time media picked it up and ran with it.

The IAFs commitment is essential, otherwise they would have stalled the program ad infinitum.

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Postby gopal.suri » 09 Nov 2007 16:52

Why can't IAF have a mini awacs and a bigger awacs. Peace time and less critical places we can employ them. Like Brazilian SIVAM concept. Its not necessary that you run around with a bigger one. Secondly a SIVAM like concept will develop a good potential in our SE backyard. SIVAM kind will find buyers in BSF and ITBP also.

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Postby skher » 18 Nov 2007 22:16


Raj Malhotra wrote:


-When endangered the UAV should be able to dive into ground and emerge from another end of the earth without losing communication with IA headquarters


Come to think of it,it's not such a bad idea!!!Except the Army shouldn't expect the Arjun to do the same:).

IMVHO,our R&D should always achieve something never-been-thought-before in every project.....like the Kanchan armor was something which no other country had developed in the late '80s

Speaking of the Arjun,is Mark II supposed to a Tunguska-like vehicle with combined guns and missiles?
Only then can a weight reduction of 20 tonnes be tactically feasible.

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Field trials of Akash missiles at Pokhran impress IAF

Postby sunilUpa » 19 Nov 2007 18:40

[quote]Field trials of Akash missiles at Pokhran impress IAF, says DRDO

New Delhi, Nov 19 (ANI): Over a weeklong field trials of indigenously developed Surface-to-Air Missile Akash in the deserts of Rajasthan have impressed the top officials of Indian Air Force (IAF), according to the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
The medium range missile with a range of between 27 to 30 kms has yet to inducted by the IAF, and there were media reports earlier claiming that the IAF’s top brass were not satisfied with the missile system, as they found instances when parts of missiles fell from the main body.
Efforts were made to improve the missiles, and field trials were held.
The recent field trials conducted in Pokhran in the second week of November have put to rest such kinds of speculations.
“The IAF officials were completely impressed by the field trials of the missiles,â€

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Postby JCage » 19 Nov 2007 21:40

492 crores


Barely $ 100 Million..with Battery radar, Central Acquisition radar, C3I posts..

Compare with:

HAWK SAM:
Development Cost $: 146.000 million. in: 1965 average dollars

Patriot MIM 104 A:
Development Cost $: 2,210.100 million. in: 1982 average dollars.

AMRAAM- used as the basis of the Humraam etc
Development Cost $: 1,039.900 million. in: 1982 average dollars.

Source:http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/


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Re: Field trials of Akash missiles at Pokhran impress IAF

Postby mandrake » 19 Nov 2007 21:56

sunilUpa wrote:
link
Can't find confirmation of above in any other news reports.


Link not working, add to that is this news confirmed by any other media sources? just wondering?

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Re: Field trials of Akash missiles at Pokhran impress IAF

Postby sunilUpa » 19 Nov 2007 22:00

joey wrote:
sunilUpa wrote:
link
Can't find confirmation of above in any other news reports.


Link not working, add to that is this news confirmed by any other media sources? just wondering?


Hmm link working fine for me. Try ANI website here story is on top right corner.

Only a Thai site reproduced this story, credited again to ANI.

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Postby Rudranathh » 20 Nov 2007 12:11

X-posted from Indian Missile Technology Discussion.
csharma wrote:Field trials of Akash missiles at Pokhran impress IAF

http://in.news.yahoo.com/071119/139/6nfod.html


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Postby k prasad » 26 Nov 2007 18:00

OFB to get small arms factory and research center

Written on November 26, 2007 – 4:33 pm | by FIDSNS |

A small arms factory at Korwa, in Sultanpur district of Uttar Pradesh is going to be set up.

A laboratory is being created at Gun Carriage Factory, Jabalpur for taking up development of new products, up-gradation of existing products and facilitating easy absorption of technology.

India has recently decided to place a greater focus on R&D work in Ordnance Factories, and the laboratory is being set up for this purpose. Development of new products or upgrades takes considerable time; as such, it may not be possible at this stage to know details of the products that would be developed, or the possibility for increasing production targets.

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Postby Rahul M » 26 Nov 2007 19:04

JCage must be very happy !!

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Postby JCage » 26 Nov 2007 21:30

Rahul, time will tell. I had given up on the OFB!!

Imagine, how many decades after OFB was set up, they took this basic step.

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Postby Rudranathh » 26 Nov 2007 21:53

JCage wrote:Imagine, how many decades after OFB was set up, they took this basic step.

OFB was filled with pro-commie types. These commie unions stopped the functioning of the ordinance factories during the 1962 war when the nation urgently needed ammunition to fight the chinese invasion. Only after the BMS stepped in that some order could be restored in the OFB factories.

In today's world every worker knows that the commies are poodles of chicom and they(the OFB) are better off working for the nation otherwise risk getting lynched by today's informed public. So these changes are occuring in OFB like making INSAS and setting up new factories.

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Postby JCage » 26 Nov 2007 21:59

OFB was filled with pro-commie types. These commie unions stopped the functioning of the ordinance factories during the 1962 war when the nation urgently needed ammunition to fight the chinese invasion. Only after the BMS stepped in that some order could be restored in the OFB factories.


The BMS et al were no better since votes count. They have been opposing pvt involvement in defence, let alone OFB.

In today's world every worker knows that the commies are poodles of chicom and they(the OFB) are better off working for the nation otherwise risk getting lynched by today's informed public. So these changes are occuring in OFB like making INSAS and setting up new factories.


OFB is still a cesspool of trade unions. Till the communists are wiped out from India, this state of affairs will continue.

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Postby Rudranathh » 26 Nov 2007 22:04

JCage wrote:The BMS et al were no better since votes count. They have been opposing pvt involvement in defence, let alone OFB.


Better in the sense that they dont ask the workers to stop working during war times when the nation needs these factories the most.

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Postby gopal.suri » 27 Nov 2007 18:14

If they will not stop working, they can start sabotaging the products.

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Postby prashanth » 27 Nov 2007 18:44

JCage wrote:Till the communists are wiped out from India, this state of affairs will continue.

people have come to know the true colors of commies, especially after Nandigram riots. they will no longer enjoy popular support as they used to, except may be in kerela.

anyway, why wasn't ESMA imposed during 1962 war?

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Postby Rudranathh » 27 Nov 2007 20:42

gopal.suri wrote:If they will not stop working, they can start sabotaging the products.

And us commoners will get a chance to liquidate such commie rats. :D

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Postby shyamd » 28 Nov 2007 04:18

India eyes new MBT despite Arjun's arrival
The Indian Army is seeking a new generation main battle tank (MBT) even as it prepares to receive the locally designed Arjun MBT that has been over three decades in the making.

"What we have today [Arjun] is mid-level technology. What we need is a tank of international quality," India's army chief General Deepak Kapoor said in New Delhi at an international seminar on armoured fighting vehicles.

"I have no doubt that the Defence Research and Development Organisation [DRDO] will be able to develop indigenous capabilities for coming up with a better answer and more versatile armoured fighting vehicle [than Arjun] in the future," he added. Arjun was designed by the DRDO.

Referring to the DRDO's much criticised inefficiencies, Gen Kapoor also called for greater synergy between defence scientists, users and producers to ensure the delivery of a 'cutting-edge-technology' MBT.

"The [defence] scientists cannot work in isolation. The users [the army] should be with them. So also should the producers, be they the public sector undertakings or private players. Only then will we see an indigenous armoured fighting vehicle of international quality," the army chief said.

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Postby Sumeet » 28 Nov 2007 04:27

shyamd wrote:India eyes new MBT despite Arjun's arrival

"What we have today [Arjun] is mid-level technology. What we need is a tank of international quality," India's army chief General Deepak Kapoor said in New Delhi at an international seminar on armoured fighting vehicles.


What the heck does that mean Mid level tech. ? :-? How many international quality tanks are 42-48 tonnes weight category ?

Referring to the DRDO's much criticised inefficiencies, Gen Kapoor also called for greater synergy between defence scientists, users and producers to ensure the delivery of a 'cutting-edge-technology' MBT.

"The [defence] scientists cannot work in isolation. The users [the army] should be with them. So also should the producers, be they the public sector undertakings or private players. Only then will we see an indigenous armoured fighting vehicle of international quality," the army chief said.


Lets see how much of this they actually follow.

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Postby gopal.suri » 28 Nov 2007 16:59

Steps taken to ensure Arjun Tank delivery

Written on November 28, 2007 – 5:37 pm | by FIDSNS |

There has been some delay due to frequent design modification and the time required to procure some major assemblies.

The necessary steps have been taken to ensure timely availability of all critical aggregates. Production of the MBT Arjun tank is being regularly monitored through Working Group Meeting held under the chairmanship of Director General Mechanised Forces and Steering Committee held under the Co-Chairmanship of Secretary (Defence Production) and Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri.

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Postby shyamd » 28 Nov 2007 18:58

Sumeet, I think they said in an analysis of him before he joined that he was continuing the "tradition" or was "critical of" indigienous products. i.e not favouring indigenous products. I seem to recall reading it in an article somewhere.

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Postby sunilUpa » 29 Nov 2007 16:16

[quote]NEW DELHI: The indigenously developed surface-to-air missile Akash, capable of engaging multiple targets, has impressed the Indian Air Force but not the Army.

The contradictory stands come at a time when Akash is going through a series of tests in the desert near Pokhran before full flight tests at the Balasore range along the Bay of Bengal.

According to defence sources, the IAF, impressed with the short-range missile that can identify enemy objects and engage multiple targets, has written to the Defence Research and Development Organisation offering to induct it in two units.

But the Army has written to the DRDO rejecting the system, pointing out that it was too late in the day for induction. Sources say “we are focused on the induction of Akash into the Air Forceâ€

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Postby Sanku » 29 Nov 2007 16:55

sunilUpa wrote: :roll: :roll: :roll: wtf? too late for army? IAF inducting in to two units? :roll: :roll: :roll:


Number required by time required >> number production by time production?

Just a guess.

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Postby prashanth » 29 Nov 2007 18:36

sunilUpa wrote: :roll: :roll: :roll: wtf? too late for army? IAF inducting in to two units? :roll: :roll: :roll:


not a real problem. the MOD will force the army to buy akash anyway.but it is the army's attitude towards indigenous products that counts. that is the cause of real concern.


IMHO our lawmakers should enact a law that bars our armed forces from importing foreign weapons, from a given date.(say after two decades from now).
this will possibly encourage homegrown products and R&D.


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