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Postby mandrake » 06 Aug 2007 22:24

Rahul M wrote:somebody I know is doing research on GaAs at Jadavpur University and his research is funded by DRDO.

btw the person himself is a trainee monk of Ramakrishna Mission ! talk about balancing modernity and heritage !!


It would have been better if it was GaN :P

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Postby A Sharma » 07 Aug 2007 03:51

From Annual report(06-07) of L&T

Construction of a Precision Manufacturing Facility has commenced at Coimbatore. This will cater to the needs of aerospace, aviation, nuclear power and sub-systems for Missiles. A modern Weapon Systems & Sensors Production Complex is also under construction at Talegaon.

The two Technology Development Centres – one for Process Plant Equipment Sector and the second for other Strategic Sectors – have been working on new product development, modification of existing products and continuous development / adaptation of manufacturing technology. The Division has tied-up with NCL, SAMEER (Society for Applied Microwave Electronics Engineering & Research) and ISRO for specific technologies / programs. A Warship & Submarine Design centre will be set up to strengthen capabilities in the naval vessel construction business.

Some good pics in the report too.
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Postby Rahul M » 07 Aug 2007 04:43

It would have been better if it was GaN


I know ! :(

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Postby mandrake » 07 Aug 2007 14:17

A Sharma wrote:From Annual report(06-07) of L&T

Construction of a Precision Manufacturing Facility has commenced at Coimbatore. This will cater to the needs of aerospace, aviation, nuclear power and sub-systems for Missiles. A modern Weapon Systems & Sensors Production Complex is also under construction at Talegaon.

The two Technology Development Centres – one for Process Plant Equipment Sector and the second for other Strategic Sectors – have been working on new product development, modification of existing products and continuous development / adaptation of manufacturing technology. The Division has tied-up with NCL, SAMEER (Society for Applied Microwave Electronics Engineering & Research) and ISRO for specific technologies / programs. A Warship & Submarine Design centre will be set up to strengthen capabilities in the naval vessel construction business.

Some good pics in the report too.
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130 mb!! Please post the pics, we SRDE's are on slow connections.

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Postby A Sharma » 07 Aug 2007 17:25

joey
Its a pdf. I dont know how to extract the pics from it. There are couple of neat pics of parts of nuclear reactor being built. Missile firing from L&T developed platform on a naval ship and pinaka.

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Postby Ananth » 07 Aug 2007 21:39

A Sharma wrote:joey
Its a pdf. I dont know how to extract the pics from it. There are couple of neat pics of parts of nuclear reactor being built. Missile firing from L&T developed platform on a naval ship and pinaka.


In the acrobat reader, use cropping tool to cut the pics and paste it into a word document. Export that doc as pdf and upload it somewhere.

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Postby mandrake » 07 Aug 2007 22:02

A Sharma wrote:joey
Its a pdf. I dont know how to extract the pics from it. There are couple of neat pics of parts of nuclear reactor being built. Missile firing from L&T developed platform on a naval ship and pinaka.


Use the select option, right click and use copy image to clipboard, paste in mspaint or word, if mspaint save them as jpeg and upload em in imageshack else follow what ananth told you.

another option is to use print screen button and paste the page in mspaint and cut the image but a slow process.

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Postby sunilUpa » 08 Aug 2007 15:16

Ok Joey, here are some pictures from L&T. The file name is the brief description.

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Postby Singha » 08 Aug 2007 16:18

people like CAE buying Macmet seems result of need to meet the 30-40% offset clauses in defence and commercial deals with AI/IA. the way it works - GOI will withhold payment of the offset % of deal until work of that value has been given to indian arm or JVs or outsourced to 3rd parties in India.

Bangalore with its strong roots in engineering design, machinery and software is said to be poised to get 70% of the billions coming our way

local firms big n small and M&M, tatas, kirloskar, cades, L&T, taneja, maini are all gearing up to take these offsets

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Postby sunilUpa » 09 Aug 2007 01:21

Stumbled across these guys. Sorry if posted earlier.

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Postby JCage » 10 Aug 2007 12:49

The 3D CAR Antenna appears beefier in the above pictures.


Meanwhile,

BEL News

Premier Defence PSU Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) has recorded a turnover of Rs.3960.38 crores (provisional) for the year 2006-07, an increase of 12 per cent over last year’s turnover of Rs.3536 crores. The estimated Profit Before Tax is Rs.1041.63 crores, as against last year’s figure of Rs.855.26 crores, an increase of 22 per cent. The Profit After Tax (provisional) for 2006-07 is Rs.713.85 crores as against Rs.583.01 crores last year. BEL registered exports of US $ 11.6 million.


BEL’s manpower as on March 31, 2007, is 12,357 and the turnover per employee for 2006-07 is Rs.32.1 lakhs, an increase of around 11 per cent over last year’s figure of Rs.28.8 lakhs. The value added per employee is Rs.14.2 lakhs as against Rs.12.5 lakhs last year.

The order book as on April 1, 2007, is estimated to be around Rs.9,000 crores as against Rs.6,600 crores last year.

All the nine Units of BEL continue to be profitable.

BEL has been recommended for Navaratna status by the Apex Committee on Conferment of Navaratna Status. It is a recognition of the company’s inherent strengths in manufacturing, technology, quality, its consistent growth over many years and its ability to face future challenges.


Some of the significant orders executed during the year include supply of Flycatcher Radar, Reporter Radar, Surveillance Radar Element, Electronic Warfare Systems, Hand Held Thermal Imager, Integrated Observation Equipment, Advanced Land Navigation System for use in Tanks / Armoured Vehicles, implementation of Convergent Billing for MTNL, Upgraded Electronic Voting Machines and solar products. These equipment have been supplied to a wide range of customers from the Army, Navy, Air Force, Paramilitary, MTNL and others. The turnover accruing from products manufactured based on indigenous design and development stands at 81 per cent.

Among the many projects executed during the year, the following merit special mention.

2.2 CDMA Network for Indian Army

BEL has implemented secure mobile cellular communication system based on Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) technology in a forward area for the Army. The scope of work included supply, installation and commissioning including civil works. This network improves regiment-level communication for field forces fighting in counter insurgency / terrorism operations, significantly.



More than 25 new products / systems were introduced and supplied during the year. New products supplied to the Army include Battery Level Radar, Safari Mk II, Advanced Land Navigation System, Intelligent Message Terminals, VPS Mk III (a hand-held, UHF radio) and Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) Simulator.

New products supplied to the Navy include Launch Preparation System and Centralised Real Time Control System for Advanced Technology Vehicle, new generation sonars for submarines, Drishti – an Electronic Warfare system and Lynx – a Fire Control System. New products to the Air Force include High Accuracy Direction Finder. BEL also supplied Advanced Ground Control Station and Avionics Preparation Vehicle for Unmanned Aerial Vehicles.

New products / projects in the civilian segment are Upgraded Electronic Voting Machine, Convergent Billing, Auto Control Unit for automobiles, Synchronous Transfer Mode Multiplex equipment for BSNL and Bharati, a Frequency Hopping VHF Radio.


Some of the new products / projects implemented during the year deserve special mention.

3.1 Safari Mk II

A broadband transmitting equipment for the Army which can be effectively used for jamming a wide range of hostile receivers.


3.2 Command Information Decision Support System (CIDSS)

This C4I system helps Commanders to assess the battle situation and take appropriate and timely decisions. The system facilitates collecting, collating, filtering, processing and displaying operational, intelligence and logistics information for the commanders of the Indian Army.

3.3 VPS MK-III

VPS MK-III (LUP 291) is a UHF, compact and lightweight hand-held radio with in-built high-grade digital secrecy for voice in clear / secure mode of operation for the Indian Army. BEL supplied, for the first time, a large quantity of VPS Mk III during 2006-07. Another large order for these radios is in hand.


3.4 Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) Simulator

Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) Simulator, an in-house developed system, provides training and practice to gunners in the mechanics of tracking and engaging moving targets on projected terrain configuration in simulated battlefield conditions.

3.5 Upgraded Fire Control System (FCS) for Navy

LYNX U1 is an Upgraded FCS developed by BEL for G-class ships of the Indian Navy.

3.6 Drishti

A single vehicle communication intelligence (COMINT) system for the Navy having jamming capability. The system is configured such that Communication nets can be monitored and hostile nets can be jammed simultaneously by a very small compliment of crew.


3.7 High Accuracy Direction Finder (HADF)

A new generation Radar Warning Receiver designed and developed for installation on military aircraft. It can intercept and identify airborne, shipborne and ground-based acquisition, target tracking and missile guidance radars.



BEL’s forte is its strong R&D spread across the 9 Units as well as the two Central Research Laboratories at Delhi and Bangalore. R&D at BEL continues to contribute significantly for its growth and is helping the organization to maintain its technological edge. In the current financial year, more than 80 per cent of the turnover accrued from products using indigenous technology.

Major R&D initiatives at BEL include development of capabilities in its core areas of business such as Radar, Military Communication, Electro Optics and Electronic Warfare. In the area of Military Communication, Frequency Hopping, Ruggedisation, High Speed Encryption and Network Security and Compact GPS core modules have been taken up. In the field of Radars, Generic Video Extractor / Tracker, Signal Processing, VEXT and Data link and Digital Beam Forming for 3-D Radars have been undertaken. In Electro Optics, Image Compression Algorithms, Signal Processing for Thermal Imagers and Test Bed for characterization of IR detectors have been worked on. In Electronic Warfare, Tactical Mission Systems for airborne applications and mosaicing for image intelligence have been taken up.


Some significant R&D projects are highlighted below.

5.2.1 Integrated Air Command & Control System (IACCS) for Indian Air Force

IACCS is a fully automated system with multi sensor tracking and data fusion for generation of real time air situation picture to be used for air surveillance and various tactical actions. This is one of the most prestigious development projects undertaken by BEL, which will enable IAF’s network centric operations.

5.2.2 Weapon Locating Radar (WLR)

A product of strategic importance to the Indian defence forces, WLR has been jointly developed and manufactured by BEL and LRDE. It is undergoing user trials and is likely to be inducted into the Armed Forces during 2008-09.

5.2.3 Shakti

Shakti, the Artillery Combat Command & Control System, has been developed by BEL in association with CAIR, Bangalore, and ARDE, Pune. Shakti is a major sub-system of Tactical Command Control & Communication Intelligence (Tac C3I) systems being fielded by the Indian Army. Shakti consists of rugged computers interconnected over RF communication networks to automate functions of Indian artillery.

5.2.4 Upgrade of Schilka Weapon System

Schilka, an ageing self-propelled Air Defence Weapon System used by the Indian Army, is of Russian origin. It is being upgraded with modern Radar, Computer System, electronics as well as with a new powerful, fuel-efficient prime mover. User trials will be held shortly and is expected to be inducted into service during 2008-09. This upgrade will extend the life of this system by over 15 years.

5.2.5 81mm Mortar Simulator

This software intensive product is developed in-house and has successfully cleared all trials / evaluations of the customer. The product will meet the long-term requirement of the users for training of soldiers on mortar firing procedures.


5.2.6 STARS V MK-II

A frequency hopping, software configurable ECCM radio (5 W and 25 W) in the VHF band, the backbone of tactical radio communication for the Indian Armed Forces. It has in-built data communication features to enable transfer of any type of files / free text. GPS functionality, which enables the soldier to identify his location accurately, is built in.

5.3 Manufacturing Initiatives

5.3.1 Rapid Prototyping Facility

BEL is investing about Rs.9 crores for setting up a state-of-the-art facility for Rapid Prototyping (RP), Rapid Tooling (RT) and Rapid Manufacturing (RM) for quick realization of mechanical parts for design verification. BEL will be able to cut down development cycle by 30 per cent and provide customers with better products in terms of aesthetics, ergonomics, lower cost and better manufacturability.



The finish line is just the beginning of a new race. Over the years BEL has acquired many strengths in its core business areas, has learnt the nuances of competition and today, it is strong enough to face the challenges of future market scenarios. By consolidating its core business and technical capabilities and by leveraging on the technology partnerships in the various growth areas and by making the best of opportunities such as offsets, BEL is aiming to achieve a turnover of US $ 1 billion in the current financial year (2007-08) and to reach a figure of US $ 2 billion by the year 2011-12.

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Postby Kartman » 10 Aug 2007 12:59

From JCage's post above:

The turnover accruing from products manufactured based on indigenous design and development stands at 81 per cent.


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Postby JCage » 10 Aug 2007 21:21

Anyone want to take a stab at the above-theres a lot BEL has revealed about its plans and what its capabilities are ..

I'll give it a try in some time.

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Postby JCage » 10 Aug 2007 21:58

Ok lets go.

Some of the significant orders executed during the year include supply of Flycatcher Radar, Reporter Radar,


Which means Army AD is still beefing up. And that these systems remain highly potent. Those interested may recall that BEL has upgraded the Reporter on its own with several new features.

Surveillance Radar Element,


IFF systems for the AF


Electronic Warfare Systems,


Self explanatory

Hand Held Thermal Imager, Integrated Observation Equipment,


Infantry and Army SATA units being beefed up. The latter is iirc a DRDO developed item (with BEL) combining LRF, Night vision and optics for long distance surveillance and rangefinding


Advanced Land Navigation System for use in Tanks / Armoured Vehicles,


The T-72 upgrade, proceeding in phases with different systems installed

These equipment have been supplied to a wide range of customers from the Army, Navy, Air Force, Paramilitary, MTNL and others.


Note paramilitary mentioned- the Central PMs are finally getting some decent eqpt

The turnover accruing from products manufactured based on indigenous design and development stands at 81 per cent.


In other words, the bulk of BELs turnover

2.2 CDMA Network for Indian Army

BEL has implemented secure mobile cellular communication system based on Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) technology in a forward area for the Army. The scope of work included supply, installation and commissioning including civil works. This network improves regiment-level communication for field forces fighting in counter insurgency / terrorism operations, significantly.



The Army mobile phone for J&K. Troops no longer have to carry heavy radios with the radio operator conspicuous. A much smaller handset suffices.


More than 25 new products / systems were introduced and supplied during the year.


This is creditable by any benchmark- this had come up before in debates on BR. I have always maintained that once a firm like BEL attains a level of proficiency in systems across a variety of interrelated disciplines, it can come up with several products and conduct iterative improvement..more on this below..


New products supplied to the Army include Battery Level Radar,


Interesting- the BLR is usually used for the Rajendra


Safari Mk II,


Below

Advanced Land Navigation System, Intelligent Message Terminals, VPS Mk III (a hand-held, UHF radio) and Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) Simulator.


The one in bold is interesting. Here it is

Basically a ruggedized tactical computer developed for the services C3I requirements

New products supplied to the Navy include Launch Preparation System and Centralised Real Time Control System for Advanced Technology Vehicle,


Self explanatory

new generation sonars for submarines,


These are the sonars and fire control systems developed for the Kilos by DRDO


Drishti – an Electronic Warfare system


Given below


and Lynx – a Fire Control System.


This is iirc a BEL upgrade of an originally license produced/ reverse engineered item. Again, iterative improvement


New products to the Air Force include High Accuracy Direction Finder.


For the MKIs and Kh-31s

BEL also supplied Advanced Ground Control Station and Avionics Preparation Vehicle for Unmanned Aerial Vehicles.


Nishant systems ..

IMO, this is a very important step forward and tells us exactly what we can do with the new MALE project. We dont need to rely upon any Israel etc for the Ground control and imagery exploitation eqpt. The Nishants final GCS is a worldclass piece of kit (see defense-update for details)


New products / projects in the civilian segment are Upgraded Electronic Voting Machine, Convergent Billing, Auto Control Unit for automobiles, Synchronous Transfer Mode Multiplex equipment for BSNL and Bharati, a Frequency Hopping VHF Radio. [/b]


The last appears to be a spinoff from BELs very own STARS-V

Some of the new products / projects implemented during the year deserve special mention.

3.1 Safari Mk II

A broadband transmitting equipment for the Army which can be effectively used for jamming a wide range of hostile receivers.


I had pointed this very fact out to Vina and others, that BEL is one of the few PSUs which will continue to invest in R&D and engage in iterative development. And its a fallacy to fall into the jaded PSU vs non PSU arguement. And the above bears the same out- this is a MKII version of the Safari jammer developed by DRDO and ordered by the Army.



3.2 Command Information Decision Support System (CIDSS)

This C4I system helps Commanders to assess the battle situation and take appropriate and timely decisions. The system facilitates collecting, collating, filtering, processing and displaying operational, intelligence and logistics information for the commanders of the Indian Army.


None other than the DRDO Samvahak

3.3 VPS MK-III

VPS MK-III (LUP 291) is a UHF, compact and lightweight hand-held radio with in-built high-grade digital secrecy for voice in clear / secure mode of operation for the Indian Army. BEL supplied, for the first time, a large quantity of VPS Mk III during 2006-07. Another large order for these radios is in hand.


self explanatory

3.4 Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) Simulator

Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) Simulator, an in-house developed system, provides training and practice to gunners in the mechanics of tracking and engaging moving targets on projected terrain configuration in simulated battlefield conditions.


ditto

3.5 Upgraded Fire Control System (FCS) for Navy

LYNX U1 is an Upgraded FCS developed by BEL for G-class ships of the Indian Navy.


Iterative improvements

3.6 Drishti

A single vehicle communication intelligence (COMINT) system for the Navy having jamming capability. The system is configured such that Communication nets can be monitored and hostile nets can be jammed simultaneously by a very small compliment of crew.


Thanks to DRDOs project sangraha, BEL and other consortium members have got competence in a variety of EW items and subsystems which can be reconfigured / scaled across for different purposes

3.7 High Accuracy Direction Finder (HADF)

A new generation Radar Warning Receiver designed and developed for installation on military aircraft. It can intercept and identify airborne, shipborne and ground-based acquisition, target tracking and missile guidance radars.


Discussed on BRF before, the MKIs SEAD pod


BEL’s forte is its strong R&D spread across the 9 Units as well as the two Central Research Laboratories at Delhi and Bangalore. R&D at BEL continues to contribute significantly for its growth and is helping the organization to maintain its technological edge. In the current financial year, more than 80 per cent of the turnover accrued from products using indigenous technology.


The CRLs are what allow BEL to absorb tech from DRDO and codevelop items with them, and on BELs own as well




Major R&D initiatives at BEL include development of capabilities in its core areas of business such as Radar, Military Communication, Electro Optics and Electronic Warfare. In the area of Military Communication, Frequency Hopping, Ruggedisation, High Speed Encryption and Network Security and Compact GPS core modules have been taken up.


C3I and more radios


In the field of Radars, Generic Video Extractor / Tracker,


..to replace the hard to obtain OEM maal from CIS states in existing inventory for AF/Navy


Signal Processing, VEXT and Data link and Digital Beam Forming for 3-D Radars have been undertaken.


..Digitalbeamformers..3D CAR variants are in the works


In Electro Optics, Image Compression Algorithms, Signal Processing for Thermal Imagers and Test Bed for characterization of IR detectors have been worked on.


This is going to be a focus area of BELs part of the JV, the electronics backend

In Electronic Warfare, Tactical Mission Systems for airborne applications and mosaicing for image intelligence have been taken up.


For IAF EW projects and intel

Some significant R&D projects are highlighted below.

5.2.1 Integrated Air Command & Control System (IACCS) for Indian Air Force

IACCS is a fully automated system with multi sensor tracking and data fusion for generation of real time air situation picture to be used for air surveillance and various tactical actions. This is one of the most prestigious development projects undertaken by BEL, which will enable IAF’s network centric operations.


ECIL is competing against BEL for this

5.2.2 Weapon Locating Radar (WLR)

A product of strategic importance to the Indian defence forces, WLR has been jointly developed and manufactured by BEL and LRDE. It is undergoing user trials and is likely to be inducted into the Armed Forces during 2008-09.


Aim is to field a system superior to the recent Amriki imports

5.2.3 Shakti

Shakti, the Artillery Combat Command & Control System, has been developed by BEL in association with CAIR, Bangalore, and ARDE, Pune. Shakti is a major sub-system of Tactical Command Control & Communication Intelligence (Tac C3I) systems being fielded by the Indian Army. Shakti consists of rugged computers interconnected over RF communication networks to automate functions of Indian artillery.


So Shakti has entered production. This will be a quantum upgrade over existing IA Arty C3I

5.2.4 Upgrade of Schilka Weapon System

Schilka, an ageing self-propelled Air Defence Weapon System used by the Indian Army, is of Russian origin. It is being upgraded with modern Radar, Computer System, electronics as well as with a new powerful, fuel-efficient prime mover. User trials will be held shortly and is expected to be inducted into service during 2008-09. This upgrade will extend the life of this system by over 15 years.


Done with Israeli help Iirc. Whats interesting is whether BEL will also make the radars etc

5.2.5 81mm Mortar Simulator

This software intensive product is developed in-house and has successfully cleared all trials / evaluations of the customer. The product will meet the long-term requirement of the users for training of soldiers on mortar firing procedures.


IA moving towards more sims

5.2.6 STARS V MK-II

A frequency hopping, software configurable ECCM radio (5 W and 25 W) in the VHF band, the backbone of tactical radio communication for the Indian Armed Forces. It has in-built data communication features to enable transfer of any type of files / free text. GPS functionality, which enables the soldier to identify his location accurately, is built in.


So the IA is standardizing on the STARS-V - no more requirement for expensive upgrades of imported systems where we have minimal transparency into the security/ source code


5.3.1 Rapid Prototyping Facility

BEL is investing about Rs.9 crores for setting up a state-of-the-art facility for Rapid Prototyping (RP), Rapid Tooling (RT) and Rapid Manufacturing (RM) for quick realization of mechanical parts for design verification. BEL will be able to cut down development cycle by 30 per cent and provide customers with better products in terms of aesthetics, ergonomics, lower cost and better manufacturability.


Self explanatory


The finish line is just the beginning of a new race. Over the years BEL has acquired many strengths in its core business areas, has learnt the nuances of competition and today, it is strong enough to face the challenges of future market scenarios. By consolidating its core business and technical capabilities and by leveraging on the technology partnerships in the various growth areas and by making the best of opportunities such as offsets, BEL is aiming to achieve a turnover of US $ 1 billion in the current financial year (2007-08) and to reach a figure of US $ 2 billion by the year 2011-12.



They are heavily banking on offsets and the IAFs purchases of radars etc

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Postby Vipul » 13 Aug 2007 17:18

DRDO seeks Israeli cooperation to develop Radar.

NEW DELHI: India has entered into a co-development agreement with Israel to speed up development of a Multi Mode Radar to equip country's indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).

"A co-development activity for development of Multi Mode Radar has been initiated with Israel's Elta systems for limited series production of such Radars," Defence Minister A K Antony told Lok Sabha in a written reply.

As Radars are needed for demonstration flights of fully developed and armed Light Combat Fighters scheduled within next four years, the Defence Ministry had asked the Hindustan Aeronautics limited to monitor the project, he said.

This is the second major venture of the Defence Research and Development Organisation in which foreign co-development had to sought at the critical final juncture.

Earlier, the Government had floated tenders asking for collaboration in DRDO's other major venture to develop country's first aero-engine.

Conceding that the technology for airborne Radar was "very complex," Antony said the project to develop such advanced Radars for fighters had started in June 1991 with a probable date of completion within six-and-a-half years.

"The MMR development is being done for the first time in the country. No prior expertise exists in this field in any organisation," he said.

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Postby mandrake » 13 Aug 2007 21:03

^^ Here we go again! That report mixes up MMR WITH ELTA 2032 which is being procurred for interim measure, the report is a COPY from Prasun Senguptas Force.

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Postby JCage » 13 Aug 2007 21:06

Please read it properly. Its a reply given by AK Antony about the interim MMR codevelopment, with the A2G modules. No need for a knee jerk reaction.

Prasuns lifafa is totally different and incorrect. He was caught lying stating that India was importing AESA Selex/IAI radars for the LCA so the POS is trying to cover his tracks by tying it to this report.
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Postby sunilUpa » 13 Aug 2007 21:08

joey wrote:^^ Here we go again! That report mixes up MMR WITH ELTA 2032 which is being procurred for interim measure, the report is a COPY from Prasun Senguptas Force.


That 'Report' is actually DM, Mr.Antony's reply to Lok Sabha. :shock: , not a news report copying PS. Here is the official PIB press release.

DEVELOPMENT OF MULTI-MODE RADAR

There has been a delay in developing Multi-Mode Radar. The project for development of Multi Mode Radar (MMR) was started in June 1991 with Probable Date of Completion of 6½ years. The technology of airborne radars is very complex. The MMR development is being done for the first time in the country. No prior expertise exists in the country in this field with any organization.

There has been a time and cost overrun in the said project. The project to develop two MMR systems for ground testing was sanctioned at a cost of Rs.62.27 crore. This activity was completed in 2004 at a cost of Rs.105 crore. A co-development activity of MMR has been initiated for Limited Series Production and Series Production with M/s ELTA Systems Ltd, Israel, which has experience in developing similar types of radars. To expedite the project, close monitoring of activity at the highest level of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) management has been put in place.

This information was given by the Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Sugrib Singh and others in Lok Sabha today.


Link

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Postby mandrake » 13 Aug 2007 21:34

sunilUpa wrote:
joey wrote:^^ Here we go again! That report mixes up MMR WITH ELTA 2032 which is being procurred for interim measure, the report is a COPY from Prasun Senguptas Force.


That 'Report' is actually DM, Mr.Antony's reply to Lok Sabha. :shock: , not a news report copying PS. Here is the official PIB press release.

DEVELOPMENT OF MULTI-MODE RADAR

There has been a delay in developing Multi-Mode Radar. The project for development of Multi Mode Radar (MMR) was started in June 1991 with Probable Date of Completion of 6½ years. The technology of airborne radars is very complex. The MMR development is being done for the first time in the country. No prior expertise exists in the country in this field with any organization.

There has been a time and cost overrun in the said project. The project to develop two MMR systems for ground testing was sanctioned at a cost of Rs.62.27 crore. This activity was completed in 2004 at a cost of Rs.105 crore. A co-development activity of MMR has been initiated for Limited Series Production and Series Production with M/s ELTA Systems Ltd, Israel, which has experience in developing similar types of radars. To expedite the project, close monitoring of activity at the highest level of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) management has been put in place.

This information was given by the Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Sugrib Singh and others in Lok Sabha today.


Link


mhuha look how TOI puts its own spin to it stating that it being a JV :D Sri Anthony Puts his reply like many other replies in simple sense, Didnt we already knew that some a2g modules will come from Elta , what is the fuss regarding this being a JV!

Regarding 1991, check the BARC report, surely studies may have started in 1991, Developement of Antennae the most complicated system was taken up by BARC and ECIL only in 1999.

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Postby sunilUpa » 13 Aug 2007 21:39

joey wrote:
sunilUpa wrote:
joey wrote:^^ Here we go again! That report mixes up MMR WITH ELTA 2032 which is being procurred for interim measure, the report is a COPY from Prasun Senguptas Force.


That 'Report' is actually DM, Mr.Antony's reply to Lok Sabha. :shock: , not a news report copying PS. Here is the official PIB press release.

DEVELOPMENT OF MULTI-MODE RADAR

There has been a delay in developing Multi-Mode Radar. The project for development of Multi Mode Radar (MMR) was started in June 1991 with Probable Date of Completion of 6½ years. The technology of airborne radars is very complex. The MMR development is being done for the first time in the country. No prior expertise exists in the country in this field with any organization.

There has been a time and cost overrun in the said project. The project to develop two MMR systems for ground testing was sanctioned at a cost of Rs.62.27 crore. This activity was completed in 2004 at a cost of Rs.105 crore. A co-development activity of MMR has been initiated for Limited Series Production and Series Production with M/s ELTA Systems Ltd, Israel, which has experience in developing similar types of radars. To expedite the project, close monitoring of activity at the highest level of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) management has been put in place.

This information was given by the Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Sugrib Singh and others in Lok Sabha today.


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mhuha look how TOI puts its own spin to it stating that it being a JV :D Sri Anthony Puts his reply like many other replies in simple sense, Didnt we already knew that some a2g modules will come from Elta , what is the fuss regarding this being a JV!

Regarding 1991, check the BARC report, surely studies may have started in 1991, Developement of Antennae the most complicated system was taken up by BARC and ECIL only in 1999.


Hmmm :?: :roll: Both TOI and DM state it as co-development with ELTA, HAL acting as project manager. I don't understand what the confusion is all about.

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Postby mandrake » 13 Aug 2007 21:59

Jcage please make him understand I cannot express properly what I'm trying to say, there is a huge difference between the TOI report and the PTI report, the PTI report states the MMR gorund developement has been completed by 2004, and following expertise from Israel has been sought to speed up some things, we have the BARC report which states air worthy hardware aka the antennae and some other subsystems was developed and qualified in 2006 which started in 1999, serial production has began to supply user, We all know what is the Elta angle in the MMR which relates to some of the modules relating to a2g, which was clear and told to us in AI07 only, This is NOT by any means qualifies as a co-developement project.

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Postby Vipul » 13 Aug 2007 22:05

India's own 70-seater aircraft could fly by 2015.

India might fly its own indigenously built 70-seater civilian aircraft in another seven to eight years, the programme director of the country's first self-built aircraft SARAS has said.

"We are already in the planning stages for a 70-seater aircraft. In another seven to eight years, we should be flying our own big aircraft," SARAS programme director MS Chidananda told IANS from Mumbai.

The National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), Bangalore, has already come up with two 14-seater SARAS planes built with Indian technology.

"The first SARAS prototype has already undertaken over 120 test flights, while the second prototype developed in April this year has gone for 12 test flights," Chidananda said.

"We are working hard on the third aircraft now. It is expected to be ready by December 2008.The third plane will be equipped with a more powerful engine and will be more light," he said. (Hopefully in time for the Bangalore Air Show in Jan 09)

Chidananda said India could start production of these planes on a commercial scale after 2009.

"We are discussing the commercial prospects with many companies in the private sector. We will zero in on a production agency soon," he said.

Due to the progress of the SARAS project, India's aviation growth is being featured in a television series on Discovery channel titled "Daily Planet Goes to India". The six-episode series, which goes on air on Independence Day (Aug 15), celebrates the scientific strides made by India in the last 60 years.

The SARAS director said the thrust of projects undertaken by the NAL is to develop indigenous aviation technology that would contribute to the development of the sector not only in India but also in other parts of the world.

"We are trying to come out with new technology that would contribute to aviation growth globally," he said.

Chidananda said it was a good opportunity for the country to become a major player in the world aviation market.

"Definitely, there are only five to six nations in the world, which manufacture aircraft. If we enter the market, we can surely become a major player."

He also said the progress of aviation technology in India was crucial as the country is experiencing a boom in the sector with a massive increase in passenger and cargo traffic.

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Postby JCage » 13 Aug 2007 22:06

I think you expressed yourself perfectly. :)

Besides, dont worry- irrespective of what DDM claims or doesnt, all that matters is that the MMR get into service asap. And given its growth potential its excellent. A big bleh to AESA. ;-)

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Postby Ananth » 14 Aug 2007 00:14

Vipul:

Please put that HT url within url tags, it is screwing up horizontal scrolling. TIA

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Postby sanjaychoudhry » 14 Aug 2007 01:24

Ananth wrote:Vipul:

Please put that HT url within url tags, it is screwing up horizontal scrolling. TIA


How is that done? I have been trying to find out myself.

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[url=put the link here]Name you want to give the link[/url]

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Postby Ananth » 17 Aug 2007 21:44

Indian Army to induct laser weapons
Soldiers engaged in counter-insurgency operations in Jammu and Kashmir [Images] and the north-east will soon have a new weapon to help them take on militants -- portable non-lethal laser dazzlers that can stun and blind their opponents.

"Two versions of the portable non-lethal dazzlers, including a hand-held laser dazzler, are set to be inducted into the Indian armed forces for use in counter-insurgency operations. This will make the 21st century soldier a technology-driven jawan," a top defence source told PTI.

The laser dazzlers, which can be mounted on existing weapons used by the soldiers, were tested in Kashmir in October 2006 and will be inducted into the army possibly by 2008, sources said.

They could be used against militants operating in the hinterland of Kashmir and against those infiltrating into the state across the Line of Control.

The Defence Research and Development Organisation's Laser Science and Technology Centre in Delhi has developed two variants of the PNLD suitable for counter-insurgency operations.

The hand-held and weapon-mounted versions of the PNLD have a maximum range of 50 meters and 500 meters respectively, the sources said.

Both variants are completely non-lethal directed-energy weapons employing intense visible light and produce randomly a flickering green laser output that is sufficient to cause temporary blindness or disorientation.

The dazzlers also have an in-built safety interlock to prevent misuse and the weapons do not cause permanent blindness, the sources said.

The dazzlers also have an integrated low power red laser beam for aiming in twilight and dark conditions.

The weapon-mounted dazzler has an integrate daylight sight too.

After trials of the dazzlers in the north-east and Kashmir, a memorandum of understanding was signed for manufacturing the systems for the army, the sources said.

Under the MoU signed by the Defence Research Development Organisation with SDS Electronics Pvt Ltd of Panchkula, the transfer of technology for the two versions of the PNLD was completed in November 2006, the sources said.

The laser dazzlers use "diode pumped solid state" lasers with a wavelength of 532 nm and weigh 850 g.

Blinding weapons are banned by the 1995 United Nations Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons.

As these dazzlers do not cause permanent blindness, they skirt this regulation, the sources said.

On 18 May 2006, the US military announced it would issue dazzling lasers designed to be attached to M-4 rifles to troops in Iraq.

This weapon is intended to provide a non-lethal way to stop drivers who fail to stop at checkpoints manned by US soldiers.

However, this proposal attracted criticism from human rights groups, who said even these weapons can cause permanent damage.

The US forces also used the Saber 203 dazzlers in Somalia in 1995 during Operation United Shield.

The Chinese armed forces have fitted dazzlers to their Type 98 main battle tank to overwhelm the optical systems of enemy tanks.

Chinese forces also use the ZM-87 portable laser disturber that can blind enemy troops at a range of up to two to three kilometres.

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Postby sum » 18 Aug 2007 09:26

[url]Indian Army to induct laser weapons
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Cant wait to hear the usual human rights scum crawl out of the nether world protesting this inhuman weapon to be used against harmless border crossing tourists!!!!! :roll:

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Postby JCage » 18 Aug 2007 14:54

These LASTEC dazzlers should give troops those extra few minutes in COIN.

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Postby Baljeet » 19 Aug 2007 20:49

Our R&D people need to take a fig leaf from this company.
http://www.explosives.net/
Alford Technologies has taken a radical approach to solving problems of defeating heavy armor of all kinds on sea and land. If military channel is any quidance this company has very small device that will discharge a directional molten copper through 1" steel armor. If their approach can be used in Anti-Tank shells aginst sangars, bunkers we might have a winning weapon system. This charge creates such vaccum on impact anyone around 400 yds, their orifices collapse. IMHO its an effective weapon very cheap to manufacture. With few modifications we can use this system against Insurgents in NE and Kashmir mountain areas.

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Postby Kunal » 20 Aug 2007 00:36

I wouldn't know about heavy armour on sea. But, your description of "their" device seems to be similar to a shaped charge which is very common. It is used in RPGs, HEAT rounds, mines etc. Recently they were made famous by the US army calling them Explosively Formed Projectiles and were criticized in the international media for misrepresenting them as some advanced technology proliferated by the iranians. As far as use in rounds for defeating sangars etc, I believe IA uses hesh rounds for that purpose.

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Postby Vick » 20 Aug 2007 04:24

From DN
[quote]Posted 08/20/07 13:04
BEL’s Big Plans Have Global Reach
Indian Firm Aims To Double Sales Through Offset Market
By Vivek Raghuvanshi, NEW DELHI

India’s state-owned Bharat Electronics Ltd. (BEL), which claims about 95 percent of the country’s market in strategic electronics, aims to double its sales to about $2 billion by 2011-2012.

This would follow the offset policy introduced by the Indian government in 2006, making it mandatory for foreign defense companies to enter into offsets with Indian defense companies whenever they win a contract more then $73 million, a BEL executive said.

“We hope to tap around 20 percent of the estimated $10 billion offset market in the next five to seven years,â€

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Postby sunilUpa » 20 Aug 2007 04:41

Vick wrote:And BEL has already teamed with Oerlikon Contraves, Zurich, to jointly produce the Sky Shield Radar-35.



Sky Shield-35 is complete air defence system. With two 35 mm guns and a radar, it is a kind of point defence system. Is it a pert of our air defence system?

Sky shield 35

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Postby JCage » 22 Aug 2007 00:08

http://www.hindu.com/2007/08/10/stories ... 511500.htm

Indian firms bag awards at tools summit

Anand Parthasarathy


18 awards were announced in an international contest of innovative applications


http://www.hindu.com/2007/08/10/images/ ... 511501.jpg

Austin (Texas), U.S.: [i]India was seen as a formidable design powerhouse at the annual “NIWeekâ€

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Postby JCage » 25 Aug 2007 15:49

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/dti0906/

NSTL-DRDOs Lightweight torpedo in production at BDL.

Heavyweight torpedo- which completed tests and will go into production by 2009-10. Weighs-1500-2000Kg, 6-8Mtr long, and range of 20-30km and a speed of 40 Kts

Author makes a typo from mtr to kmtr..

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Postby mandrake » 25 Aug 2007 17:25

sunilUpa wrote:
Vick wrote:And BEL has already teamed with Oerlikon Contraves, Zurich, to jointly produce the Sky Shield Radar-35.



Sky Shield-35 is complete air defence system. With two 35 mm guns and a radar, it is a kind of point defence system. Is it a pert of our air defence system?

Sky shield 35


We are to be seriously deluding ourselves if we are to believe what Vivek writes and that too from DN...IMHO

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Postby sunilUpa » 25 Aug 2007 18:16

joey wrote:
sunilUpa wrote:
Vick wrote:And BEL has already teamed with Oerlikon Contraves, Zurich, to jointly produce the Sky Shield Radar-35.



Sky Shield-35 is complete air defence system. With two 35 mm guns and a radar, it is a kind of point defence system. Is it a pert of our air defence system?

Sky shield 35


We are to be seriously deluding ourselves if we are to believe what Vivek writes and that too from DN...IMHO


BEL and Oerlikon Contraves do have ongoing colloboration. BEL has been supplying Radars and sub-assemblies to Oerlikon Contraves and BEL has colloboration for Naval FC system with Oerlikon Contraves. Now this is the first time I found any reference to Sky shield.


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