MiG-21-93 firing trials

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Re: MiG-21-93 firing trials

Postby Vikram Rathore » 08 Sep 1999 22:14

Another question- the detection range of 31miles does not seem too hot...the old Jay Bird had a tracking range of close to 20 miles against fighter sized targets....

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Re: MiG-21-93 firing trials

Postby Skanhai » 08 Sep 1999 22:19

Perhaps, but you can't expect a small fighter like the mig21 suddenly turn into an Su30. It's probable not possible to fit an bigger radar into the aircraft.<BR>Just my thoughts.<p>[This message has been edited by Skanhai (edited 08-09-1999).]

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Re: MiG-21-93 firing trials

Postby Vikram Rathore » 08 Sep 1999 22:23

Skanhai,<P>Maybe....could someone else also give gyan on this....<P>The other funda here is if the radar has a tracking range of just 30 miles...thats a big underutilisation of the R-77, which has a range of some 60+ miles. But anyway, this would still be a big increase in capability for the 21s.

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Re: MiG-21-93 firing trials

Postby Vikram Rathore » 08 Sep 1999 23:02

rsingh,<P>15kms is at the outer edge of the range of the AIM-9P...but with the TSP F-16s, we may also need to worry about AIM-7Fs, with a range of some 45 kms...

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Re: MiG-21-93 firing trials

Postby Rupak » 08 Sep 1999 23:21

Drones aren't that easy to lock onto mainly because of RCS. I want to remind people that the last time an IAF brought down something that size (a Pak UAV)the MiG-21s used gunfire. By the same token, when SWAC brought down a UAV earlier using a SA-3 they relied on the very very powerful P-16s to permit missile engagement.

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Re: MiG-21-93 firing trials

Postby Skanhai » 08 Sep 1999 23:25

the last time an IAF brought down something that size (a Pak UAV)the MiG-21s used gunfire. <P>When was that?

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Re: MiG-21-93 firing trials

Postby Rupak » 08 Sep 1999 23:26

<I>when was that</I><P>Dec 1998, IIRC.<p>[This message has been edited by rupak (edited 08-09-1999).]

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Re: MiG-21-93 firing trials

Postby Arun_S » 09 Sep 1999 01:34

Just calibrating the discusssion:<P>>><I>The range cited were for drone-sized targets. Fighters will have considerably greater RCS.</I><P>Target Drons are used weapons test simulate both the filght profile and the radar RCS. Such drones carry RCS enhancing reflectors (90 degree between 3 reflector surfaces) to give appropiate radar signature. <P>I am very surpized at the stated radar range.<P>Cheers -Arun

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Re: MiG-21-93 firing trials

Postby L Beeson » 09 Sep 1999 18:55

Just for comparison purposes (including any unit costs) take a look at this site on US missile systems<P> <A HREF="http://dynamite.com.au/jdbusto/weapons/index.html" TARGET=_blank>http://dynamite.com.au/jdbusto/weapons/index.html</A> <P>Some interesting size/cost/weight/range data<P>------------------<BR>Laurie


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