Sanku wrote:Shukla's article is nonsense -- quoting unnamed sources he says the generals do not want Arjun; without any reasons?
The generals should be asked why they dont want.What has got Shukla to do with it?
How do we know the generals have said so -- because Shukla writes so -- So given that this entire debate is only because Shukla said so -- you bet he has everything to do with it.
What will the mythical "procurement brass" (BTW which division of army is the procurement brass)
This is just nitpicking.The procurement brass is the part of the army/people responsible for procurement of equipments.[/quote]
This is not nitpicking this is understanding the complex reality that there is NO procurement brass which is common in Army vs. passing fiats on a mythical body (not your statment BTW)
So if the army just has some reliability issues why not order some more Arjuns?
BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW IF THE ISSUES ARE BECAUSE OF DESIGN FLAWS OR NOT. IF IT IS YOU WILL FIRST FIX THE DESIGN. YOU DO NOT WISH TO ORDER 500 TANKS WITH EACH HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM. NOTE DESIGN INCLUDES MANUFACTURE PROCESS DESIGN.
Do you want to first manufacture 1000 faulty tanks and then fix them all; or make 124 get them right and then make the rest non faulty.
THIS IS BASIC MANUFACTURING ENGINEERING EVEN IN SHRINK WRAPPED SOFTWARE.
Note the nice falsifying tactics that Shukla uses -- "tens of soliders have died because the Russian tanks barrel busted"
-- which tank exactly?
Metallurgical problem with the barrels.[/quote][/quote]
Not true -- post a link to substantiate. OTOH YOU YOURSELF HAVE ALREADY POSTED THE SHELLS LINK.
Maybe there are some other vested interests.
And maybe the moon is made of green chesse -- the question is not answered -- why did MoD for 30 years and all the Def Mins not object?
All corrupt -- for 30 years the entire lot ? All except DRDO
This is ridiculous you know.
Definitely not and it seems that the Arjun has gone through various extensive tests and passed with flying colours.
Then why did DRDO agree to AUCRT. Please that is like saying because a baby passed std 1 tests he should automatically get into IITs
The point Shukla was making that even after first evaluating the tank and then acquiring them the tanks still had problems which needed to be fixed/upgraded.Its not as if the tanks are second hand 20 yr old models.They are infact brand new, still requiring upgrades.
Bull shit (for Shukla) -- the first are 8 years old now -- and the technology has moved on -- secondly -- the upgrades are for T 72. If you note he does not say what exactly -- uses vauge hand waving arguments.
Is there any protocol or feedback mechanism whereby the DRDO can make such comments about the Army?Whom should the DRDO complain to about the army?How do you know they already havent done it?
There is -- the parliamentary board itself -- thats where all the parties come to bitch. IA did -- what stopped the DRDO?
It didnt -- the fact remained that DRDO agreed that it will deliver XYZ by such and such time. Which was the baseline for testing etc.
Bolloks; this is written in the parliamentary report. No conjecture.
And could Shri Shukla list what are the problems T 90s remain raddled (raddled?) with today?
Sure he can.Ecen I can say that till today there is no a/c in the tank.
No a/c because you didnt buy one is a problem
this is hilarious.
Shukla jee is taking all the Injuns for a grand ride and lauging all the way to the bank.