Long range Agni missile & test launch :Part-1

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Getting ticker news on rediff that Agni 3 has been successfully test fired.

congrats to DRDO (A Chander and his team). This news has made my day today.
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Successful!
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Funny, but TOI had Agni on the headlines and suddenly is replaced with Obama and Hillary's campaign victory story.

Nothing to show on Agni.

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TOI has a line in the latest news area! Congrats DRDO! This has a range of 6,000 km doesn't it.
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Agni III test 'meets all parameters'
India's long-range ballistic missile Agni III has been test fired successfully for third time, today (May 7). The missile was launched at 9:55 am from Balasore just off the coast of Orissa. After a flight of roughly 15 minutes defence scientists confirmed that the test fire was successful and Defence sources claim that the missile meets all parameters.
AoA!
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Congratulations to DRDO & all the people behind the tests.
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3,500-km range Agni-III missile test-fired
The intermediate range ballistic missile (IRBM) was test-fired from a mobile launcher from the launch complex (LC-4) of the integrated test range (ITR) around 9:56 am, defence sources said.

The 16 metre-long and 1.8-metre wide missile roared into the sky in a vertically slanted position leaving behind a thick column of orange and white smoke and, within seconds, became invisible to the naked eye, an eyewitness said.
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Post by Vipin_Upadhyay »

Initial news is that Agni-III successful!!

Congratulations to DRDO and all Indian Brothers and Sisters.

Now is the time to go for full 10,000 KM sub-launched with MIRV.

Cheers!
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Congratulations to DRDO

But rediff is saying the range as 3000KM and indiatimes as 3500KM so what is the actual range?

Can Arun_S sir give some input please
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Good job DRDO.
I am sorry but work is keeping me busy. When I get a breather will give my assessment.
Agni-III missile test-fired
7 May, 2008, 1055 hrs IST, PTI
BALASORE: India today test-fired the 3000 km range surface-to-surface nuclear capable Agni-III missile from the Wheelers' Island off Orissa coast.

The intermediate range ballistic missile (IRBM) was test-fired from a mobile launcher from the launch complex (LC-4) of the integrated test range (ITR) at about 0956 hours, defence sources said.

The 16 metre-long and 1.8-metre wide missile roared into the sky in a vertically slanted position leaving behind a thick column of orange and white smoke and, within seconds, became invisible to the naked eye, an eyewitness said.

Agni-3 missile is fitted with on-board computer for its guidance system. A battery of sophisticated radars, electro -optic tracking systems, telemetric data centres in the mainland apart from two naval war ships anchored near the impact point, were engaged to monitor the entire trajectory in today's test launch.

"The test result will be known after detailed analyses of the flight data recovered," the sources said.

Weighing about 48 tonnes, the Agni-3 missile was first test-fired on July 9, 2006 but it failed to meet its mission objectives due to cascaded failure of booster flex nozzle controller.

However, during the second test conducted on April 12, 2007, the entire flight path of 15 minutes duration validated all mission objectives, they said.

Though defence scientists had planned only three tests of the missile before its induction, more tests would now be required to prove its robustness due to the failure of the first test flight, Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) sources said.

Agni-3 is the country's first solid fuel missile that is compact and small enough for easy mobility and can be easily packaged for deployment on a variety of surface and sub-surface platform.
Glad to see that Indian press repeats ad-verbitum BR Missile section verbege.

One may also call this as this as a huge eco-chamber. But an ecochamber/psy-ops that serves Indian national interests, and not that of RC/AK. :twisted:
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Congrats to DRDO

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7387082.stm

Possession of the Agni-III will give India deep strike capability because it would have Chinese cities like Beijing and Shanghai and the US island base of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean well within its striking range
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Most news items only say "test fired". Only the timesnow.tv says "successfully test fired". So, I hold my celebrations till more is known. About 3-4 tests a yr would be much better.
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Dont make any sense to fight with unkil, I think they are unnecessarily sensationalizing the news by putting something US in the perspective.
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Also worrying is that rediff news was edited from "successfully test fired" to "test fired".hope it is just some PTI dorks creating confusion.
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AOA! DRDO be praised! :twisted:

Time for bakistan to save H&D by firing off another gadha/ghodi into Xinjiang as usual...
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From Rediff comments:
have a suggestion for the DRDO, and indeed, the nation. Let's carry out a LIVE missile test, targeting AK Gopalan Bhavan, Delhi, and Writers' Building, Kolkata. It will be the most successful missile test in many years, plus solve many of India's problems! And by the way, please ignore those postings that ridicule India's success in missile and space technology in these forums. Most of them are pissed off anti-Indians.
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Ah comeon ramdas when so many intellectuals are congratulating drdo its got to be good news eh?

By the way superb news. Congrats on another successful launch. Another tidbit that came out was that the govt. has decided to go ahead with the agni-4. Sensible thinking.
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Nitesh wrote:But rediff is saying the range as 3000KM and indiatimes as 3500KM so what is the actual range?
Boss, actual range is a function of MIRV weight and is classified.

However, range reported in media is less than the actual range upto which mizzile was fired which, of course, is a lot less than the max. possible range upto which the missile can be fired.

Zimple onlee! :wink:
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OK.. Here is the confirmation that the test was successful. This mod press release has a lot of info...

Third Launch of AGNI- 3 Successful

RANGE AND ACCURACY ACHIEVED IN COPY BOOK STYLE AGNI-3 NOW READY FOR INDUCTION
12:30 IST
In its Golden Jubilee year, the DRDO conducted a GOLDEN LAUNCH of AGNI 3 Missile system to a Range of 3000 kms at 09:56 hrs today from the Wheeler Island, about 12 kms from Dhamra off Orissa Coast. The launch propelled India into a select group of countries with IRBM capabilities and added yet another dimension to the national deterrence. It was a text book launch and followed the trajectory with single digit guidance accuracy. All the subsystems of the Missile functioned in a copybook manner giving an outstanding integrated performance of the Missile in terms of Range and accuracy. The Missile reached the pre-designated target in a time of 800 seconds, travelling through a peak height of 350 km with a velocity of more than 4000 metres/second. Two Indian Naval Ships positioned near the target location South of equator, have confirmed the impact of the Missile. This is the third flight test in the series of AGNI-3, which was carried out to establish the repeatability of Missile performance.

Scenes of jubilation were witnessed in the Block House of Missile launch centre immediately after it was announced by the Mission Director that the launch was successful. Scientists hugged and congratulated each other on this historic occasion.

The Missile system is equipped with sophisticated Navigation, Guidance and Control systems along with advanced distributed architecture based On Board Computer Systems. The electronic systems are hardened for higher vibration, thermal and acoustic effects. A high performance indigenous Ring Laser Gyro based Navigation System is flight tested for the first time in AGNI Missile Systems.

The Missile was tracked by various telemetry stations, electro optic systems and radars located along the coast, Port Blair and by the downrange ships positioned near the target location. The data from the various stations is transmitted in real time through an advanced communication network of DRDO for online performance evaluation and range safety.

AGNI 3 Missile is a two stage solid propellant system with a length 17 metres, diameter of 2 metres and launch weight of 50 tons, carries a payload of 1.5 tons. The Missile Re-enters into the atmosphere with a very high velocity and experiences a deceleration of more than 35 g and a temperature of more than 2500 °C. The payload is protected by Carbon-Carbon all composite heat shield. The A3 is Rail Mobile System capable of being launched from any where in India.

The complete Integration and launch activities are carried out under the leadership of AGNI Programme Director, Sri Avinash Chander, who declared the AGNI 3 flight test a complete success and met all the Mission objectives. He also said that, with this flight, the developmental flights of AGNI 3 are complete and the system is ready for induction.

The successful launch of AGNI 3 was witnessed by Sri M Natarajan, Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri, Sri Sundaram Krishnan, Advisor to Raksha Mantri, Sri Shekhar Dutt, Deputy National Security Advisor, Dr V.K. Saraswat, Chief Controller (R&D) and other senior officials of the Forces. Defence Minister Sri A.K. Antony congratulated the Mission Director and all the scientists of DRDO for the successful launch of AGNI 3.

Sitanshu Kar from Wheeler island, Bay of Bengal off Orissa coast.
maybe Arunji can sift thru this...3000 km in 800 s 1.5 t paylaod for a 50 ton missile looks like a low performance... unless there was, say a quantity of ballast equal to the third stage weight....anyway, now that it is ready for serial production, they should produce it in large numbers.
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Great news. Made my day.
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ramdas wrote:maybe Arunji can sift thru this...3000 km in 800 s 1.5 t paylaod for a 50 ton missile looks like a low performance... unless there was, say a quantity of ballast equal to the third stage weight.....
Its only an old Indian rope-trick mathematics that does not converge to local gravity 8)

But intelligent-idiots (yes that is not oxymoron, they do exist on high rarefied plane) are inclined to believe the GoI press release fudge numbers as the Brahma Vakya.
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Paul wrote: Not ginna happen...Chandipur is located in prime agricultural land and is the source of income for lot of farmers. They magnamimously gave up liberties to enable this range to come up. To get a background suggest reading up newspaper articles in the late 80s.
Like they have a choice in the first place. Land can be aquired by the government at any time without the owners by or leave as long as compensation is provided. There is no right to land guaranteed by the Indian constitution. At most the farmers can go to court for the next 100 years over the compensation but thats all. They cant contest the governments decision to aquire land.
Paul wrote: This HUMINT info is already being collated most likely through PRC satellites and passed on to Slumabad. So I am not sure what useful technical parameters the resident barber will pass on to his fellow abdul in pindi.
No matter how clear the images from the satellite are, I would expect the trials be done taking into account those considerations but the advantages of having men on the ground outweighs any INT from reconnaissance satellites. As for defectors, numerous blatant breeches have occured even in New Delhi, not expecting the same from this remote location is just foolhardy.
Paul wrote: sorry to puncture your psy-ops trial balloon here....but per my sources the security is quite tight there. Even in Pokhran they have villages close to the test sites.
Security is quite tight ?? Yeah I'm sure it is.

I live right next to a defense complex called Research Center Imarat, it is considered a vital research center and you can ask anybody there and they will claim that the security is very "tight" but that "tight" is relative to what they consider "tight". Any tom, dick and harry can go for a drive in that locality at any time of the day and night. At most they would be stopped and asked for their driving license, thats all. Compare that to say what they have the Electric Boat Corp at Groton, CT where you cant even approach the dock yard, the difference between "tight" is apparent.

As for India not depriving its farmers for economic or security gains, please preach this propaganda to somebody who would actually believe it, I know different. The babu's would just as soon demolish entire villages and hand them over to developer's and MNC's without any hesitation. Security however takes a back seat because there is no profit from doing the right thing.
Brando this is notable and right cognizance. You are seeing the truth. But, paul being not able to dijest that we are surrounded by corruption of politics, because of his patriotism; convincing himself that we are fine and our defence laboratories are doing the best. I too use to be like this frequently. Any how good conversation.
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From The Hindu report . .
A miniaturised submarine-launched version of the Agni-III called Agni-III SL is also being developed and could be test-fired shortly.

Unlike Agni-I and Agni-II, the Agni-III missile has been designed and optimised to carry lighter 200 KT thermo nuclear pay-load weapons.

The third stage booster being installed for the future Agni range of missiles will give them capability of hitting targets at longer distances fairly accurately.
With the revival of the Indo-Russian GLONASS project, which will be in orbit by 2010, Indian missiles are expected to have more precision. {RLGs will get GPS updates}
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With the revival of the Indo-Russian GLONASS project, which will be in orbit by 2010, Indian missiles are expected to have more precision. {RLGs will get GPS updates}
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Sir

what is Indian contribution in GLONASS? Like how many satellites India is going to launch.
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Arun_S wrote:
ramdas wrote:maybe Arunji can sift thru this...3000 km in 800 s 1.5 t paylaod for a 50 ton missile looks like a low performance... unless there was, say a quantity of ballast equal to the third stage weight.....
Its only an old Indian rope-trick mathematics that does not converge to local gravity 8)

But intelligent-idiots (yes that is not oxymoron, they do exist on high rarefied plane) are inclined to believe the GoI press release fudge numbers as the Brahma Vakya.
The Hindu says

"The missile reached the pre-designated target in a time of 800 seconds, travelling through a peak height of 350 kms with a velocity of more than 4000 mts a second," Avinash Chander, Director of the Agni Project, told reporters here.


350km max height ? 800secs flight time? Thats a giveaway..

Rocksim says Agni3-TD3 did indeed travel only 3000kms.. But that is inly because it was launched in a highly (sub-optimal) depressed trajectory.. I ran a very conservative Agni3 model (2 stage, no PBV, mass fraction ~0.88 only)..

for a 50deg launch angle -- it should attain a 1000km max altitude at 4km/sec... re-entry speed of 5.7km/sec.. a range of 4900km for a total flight time of 1455secs..

But the quoted numbers 350km altitude & 800sec flight time correspond to a very sub-optimal ~36deg launch angle..

For a 36deg depressed launch, Rocksim predicts a max height of 380Km and a velocity of 4700m/s (As AvinashChander says "more than 4000m/s).... Reentry velocity is 5300m/sec... Range is 3300km and total flight time is 872secs...

All these numbers are closer to the advertised values of 350km height, 3000km range, 800sec flight... So the missile was launched at an angle close to 35deg, rather than the optimal of 45-50deg..

Thanks Arun - for Rocksim.
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Congrats to Avinash Chander and his team :) .
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This picture released by Indian Defence Ministry shows the launch of the Agni III missile from Wheeler Island, some 180 kilometres, north-east of Bhubaneswar. India's military have tested a medium-range nuclear-capable missile, which can hit targets inside China, its third such test in two years, defence research officials said. The missile, which has a 3,000-kilometre range and can carry nuclear or conventional warheads, was first tested in 2006.
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This is a very significant achievement ahead of Technology day.


http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/may/07ntest.htm
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SSridhar wrote:From The Hindu report . .
A miniaturised submarine-launched version of the Agni-III called Agni-III SL is also being developed and could be test-fired shortly.

Unlike Agni-I and Agni-II, the Agni-III missile has been designed and optimised to carry lighter 200 KT thermo nuclear pay-load weapons.

The third stage booster being installed for the future Agni range of missiles will give them capability of hitting targets at longer distances fairly accurately.
With the revival of the Indo-Russian GLONASS project, which will be in orbit by 2010, Indian missiles are expected to have more precision. {RLGs will get GPS updates}
Congratulations to all the hardworking guys on the project. Proud moment :)
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Can the Gurus work through the numbers to see what the range turns out to be at optimal trajectory without changing the payload?

Would greatly appreciate the non-gravity-defying physics numbers :)
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Think about it..

From the psy-ops perspective, taking into account international geopolitics and threat perceptions - 3000 Km is all the range we need.

A 5000 plus Km range threatens so many more entities that they will react by encouraging more local rivalries to oppose India and resort to more proliferation and MTCR breaches for the same purpose.

If they do that NOW - they will be giving India an excuse to "open up" more capability and they then lose the opportunity to pressurize India. This way they cannot pressurize India or even "proactively" or "prospectively" arm new rivals to "balance India"

The short paunchy guys need a bit of credit.

Fire uo Google Earth and draw 3000 Km lines from India and 5000 Km lines from India and then decide how long you want yours to be and whom you are trying to impress. If it's only for impressing yourself - forget it - especially if you are scaring meddling m'chods who should remain asleep and not be awoken.
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Congratulations-III
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JAI!

psy ops ke liye.. hw about 4999 km? :twisted: /kidding. 3500kms targeting china and then doing all that A3SL with the same psy ops range is the greatest thing to have happen., with the much needed mirv dummy tests is also needed in the future, especially from a3sl.
nitesh wrote: Dont make any sense to fight with unkil, I think they are unnecessarily sensationalizing the news by putting something US in the perspective.
deigo is brits territory btw, should it make some difference. their hawks chewed us billion $$$ investment. they may not get the mrca-ef2k order as well.
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shiv wrote:Fire uo Google Earth and draw 3000 Km lines from India
3000 km from GAU
and 5000 Km lines from India and then decide
5000 km at NGP

Yup..5000 is the max we would go to before threatening Oierope. For Panda 3000 is more than enough. Just enough to keep Japan and Korea from feeling any takleef!.
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shiv wrote:Think about it..

From the psy-ops perspective, taking into account international geopolitics and threat perceptions - 3000 Km is all the range we need.

A 5000 plus Km range threatens so many more entities that they will react by encouraging more local rivalries to oppose India and resort to more proliferation and MTCR breaches for the same purpose.

If they do that NOW - they will be giving India an excuse to "open up" more capability and they then lose the opportunity to pressurize India. This way they cannot pressurize India or even "proactively" or "prospectively" arm new rivals to "balance India"

The short paunchy guys need a bit of credit.

Fire uo Google Earth and draw 3000 Km lines from India and 5000 Km lines from India and then decide how long you want yours to be and whom you are trying to impress. If it's only for impressing yourself - forget it - especially if you are scaring meddling m'chods who should remain asleep and not be awoken.
Shiv, with all due respect i dont think the countries you are implying are just going to believe the figures or range as given out by GOI in PTI news releases.
They will know the true extent of Agni's range across the different paylod configurations and will plan accordingly.
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Vipul wrote:
shiv wrote:
Shiv, with all due respect i dont think the countries you are implying are just going to believe the figures or range as given out by GOI in PTI news releases.
They will know the true extent of Agni's range across the different paylod configurations and will plan accordingly.
True - but if they play games based on what they think (rather than what they hear) they will have to proliferate or arm themselves or someone else and that gives us a ready made excuse to openly proliferate (for ourselves)and strengthen our own arsenal. If we did that openly without provocation it would have a different effect from saying _"Hey this is now a new threat - so we are responding with a 5000 Km or 8000 Km range missile". We can claim that one is reactive to someone else's anti-India action,, rather than being blamed for "unprovoked" build up of missile capability.

What you say has one effect. What you do has another. If what you say gets a response that is inappropriate, you can respond by doing something openly that you would have done surreptitiously.If what you say gets an appropriate response, what you do can be kept close to your chest - to be revealed at an appropriate time.

There is a massive psy ops game in progress - but most of the time we on the forum seem to rave and rant about ineffectiveness and incapability. The only one thing that India is sure of is the firm grip we have on both military missile and military nuclear technology. It's all ours and not seriosuly sanctionable.

Can I prove what i am saying?

No

Am I going to try?

No

It is best for all psy ops games that everyone continues to believe whatever he wants to believe.
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Makes Chanakian sense to me now. Thanks Shiv. :)
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