vic wrote:RE Shiv
9mm is practically effective only till 25-50m and not 200m. Ask any infantry guy and he wil tell you that the bullet is heavy and slow, starts falling/curving after 20-30m only. Shooting at a range is different.
AKs are good for point targets only till 100m though for area targets they will go till 400m. Now, it seems you are golfer, try aiming your theoratical rifle/golf club at 600m target and you will know the meaning of spray and pray.
Vic in my younger days I was a crack shot with air rifles and owned a couple of the most desirable sports rifles on the market those days - one of which is still worth over 25,000 INR. Hitting a target even at 50 meters is pretty difficult even if you are standing still and the target is standing still. If you are breathing heavily or the target is moving - hitting anything over 100 meters accurately involves Allah. Same as good golf. That is why I was skeptical about that NATO complaint that the Taliban were hitting at 600 meters plus. They must have been filling the air with lead and pinning the NATO soldiers down at those ranges.
I will try and link that video of Col Imam (or was it his pal?) being shot by Hakimullah Mehsud's men - I have deliberately downloaded the video and slowed it down. The killer shoots the man several times from a range of about 2 meters. And guess what? He clearly misses one of the shots. Shooting is more than having a gun with a claimed long range.
The point about the 9 mm is that it is compact in size and can be pointed at mango man from back seat of Ambassador car carrying a politician. Even if the bullet falls after 25 meters (at 500 meters per sec it will fall a centimeter or so) no one wants to be within 200 meters of that weapon - which my auntie Wiki says can empty its magazine in seconds