INS Arihant (ATV) News and Discussion -2

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Dec 2013 15:42

The key event of the sea trials will be firing the K-15 missile.We've seen Russian efforts to perfect the BUlava ICBM take several years with many failures.Ultimately,the success of the missile when fired from the sub is what matters.The sub will have to fire at least 3-5 missiles successfully and see them hit their targets with the planned CEP,before one can breathe more easily and declare the sub fully operational.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Dec 2013 17:28

Some news about Chakra-3.According to some sources,the approval for the second Akula -2 took place in Oct. before the PM's visit to Russia and negotiations were supposedly "concluded".The unfinished Irbis is reportedly the sub ,which will be a more improved version,with VLS silos for BMos,apart from other improvements.The sub will take 3-4 years to complete,hopefully arriving by 2017-18.

With a proposal to extend the life of 6 Kilos also on the anvil,interim crisis management decisions appear to have been taken by the MOD in the wake of the SRakshak disaster.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/ ... 937834.ece

Defence Minister A K Antony on Monday told the Lok Sabha that the Centre was examining a Navy proposal to extend the service life of six of the 13 conventional submarines, even as it was processing a tender to select an agency for salvaging the INS Sindhurakshak that sunk in the Mumbai naval dockyard on August 14.

“The government had approved a submarine-building plan, which is being progressed. Further, a proposal for extending the service life of six submarines is also being examined,” Antony said in a written reply.

In late 1990s, India approved a 30-year plan to build 24 diesel-electric submarines to augment its submarine fleet strength. The first six submarines from Scorpene are under construction at the Mumbai-based Mazagon Docks, though there is a three-year delay in the delivery of the first submarine.

The government is processing a tender for the second line of six submarines, which too is delayed by two years now.

The Navy has proposed life extension for six Russian-built Kilo-class submarines. The INS Sindhurakshak had just returned from Russia after a refit programme when it suffered an internal explosion and sank.

On the salvage operation plans, Antony said the Board of Inquiry constituted to investigate the incident would submit its report to the Western Naval Command headquarters, following the salvation of the submarine and investigation of the vessel.

The Navy has carried out a safety audit of all its existing procedures for the storage and handling of weapons and damage-control procedures on board all of the 13 submarines and found them satisfactory.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Jan 2014 19:25

Nuclear submarine INS Arihant to be ready for sea trials soon

With the indigenous nuclear submarine INS Arihant set to be launched for sea trials in few weeks, India will soon complete its nuclear triad giving it the capability to respond to nuclear strikes from sea, land and air-based systems.

Navy sources said INS Arihant was going through harbour acceptance trials phase where it did not face any hiccups and is ready for being launched for the sea trials, which are expected to be completed by the end of this year.

“INS Arihant will provide us with the option for sea-based strategic deterrence, the third leg of the triad,” Assistant Chief of Navy Staff (Submarine) Rear Admiral L Sarat Babu told reporters.

Attaining a nuclear triad would be significant for India, which has a ‘no first-strike’ policy regarding the use of its nuclear weapons and requires a strong retaliatory capability as a deterrence.

He said the submarine achieved a major milestone by achieving criticality of its nuclear reactor on August 10 last year and “the next milestone would be when Arihant puts to sea for her sea trials.”

“It would be Navy’s efforts to provide every possible assistance and support during the conduct of these extensive ’first of class’ trials,” Babu said.

On the INS Chakra submarine leased from Russia, Babu said the vessel during its around one-and-a-half years with the force has been helping Navy hone its skill of integrating nuclear submarines across the entire spectrum of naval operations.

“Presently, a part of the crew comprises those who have been trained in India, thus indicating that Navy has also attained self sufficiency in training personnel for operating such complex platforms besides operations and maintenance,” he said.

The officer said the size of Navy’s nuclear submarine fleet would depend on the “maritime security dynamics in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) and our extended neighbourhood would dictate our overall plans to augment our fleet.”

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Jan 2014 20:29

Considering Deep Sea Trials are yet to start and post that weapons trials .....I would expect Arihant to be commisioned some where around late 2015 or early 2016

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 21 Jan 2014 20:35

pankajs wrote:Nuclear submarine INS Arihant to be ready for sea trials soon
With the indigenous nuclear submarine INS Arihant set to be launched for sea trials in few weeks, India will soon complete its nuclear triad giving it the capability to respond to nuclear strikes from sea, land and air-based systems.

Navy sources said INS Arihant was going through harbour acceptance trials phase where it did not face any hiccups and is ready for being launched for the sea trials, which are expected to be completed by the end of this year.

“INS Arihant will provide us with the option for sea-based strategic deterrence, the third leg of the triad,” Assistant Chief of Navy Staff (Submarine) Rear Admiral L Sarat Babu told reporters.

Attaining a nuclear triad would be significant for India, which has a ‘no first-strike’ policy regarding the use of its nuclear weapons and requires a strong retaliatory capability as a deterrence.

He said the submarine achieved a major milestone by achieving criticality of its nuclear reactor on August 10 last year and “the next milestone would be when Arihant puts to sea for her sea trials.”

“It would be Navy’s efforts to provide every possible assistance and support during the conduct of these extensive ’first of class’ trials,” Babu said.

On the INS Chakra submarine leased from Russia, Babu said the vessel during its around one-and-a-half years with the force has been helping Navy hone its skill of integrating nuclear submarines across the entire spectrum of naval operations.

“Presently, a part of the crew comprises those who have been trained in India, thus indicating that Navy has also attained self sufficiency in training personnel for operating such complex platforms besides operations and maintenance,” he said.

The officer said the size of Navy’s nuclear submarine fleet would depend on the “maritime security dynamics in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) and our extended neighbourhood would dictate our overall plans to augment our fleet.”

We have been hearing this for last 6 months...

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Jan 2014 20:59

With first nuclear submarine INS Arihant set for sea trials, Navy wants more for strategic deterrence

We expect INS Arihant to finish its harbour trials in a few weeks, a month or so, and then head for sea trials. All its capabilities will be tested as the third leg of the triad, the sea-based strategic deterrence, which will include firing of its ballistic missiles," said assistant chief of naval staff (submarines) Rear Admiral LVS Babu on Tuesday.

This confidence about finally achieving its dream of deploying a nuclear-powered submarine armed with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles — called a SSBN in military parlance — is reflected in the naval Republic Day tableau this year. It depicts models of INS Arihant and a submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM).

But the Navy wants more, at least three SSBNs and six SSNs (nuclear-powered attack submarines but without ballistic missiles) in the long term. Consequently, the work on the hulls of the follow-on SSBNs to INS Arihant is already in progress at the ship-building centre at Visakhapatnam, with the second one to be named INS Aridhaman.

Concurrently, India is also negotiating the lease of a second Akula-II class SSN from Russia, at a cost of about $1.5 billion, after inducting the first one INS Chakra on a 10-year lease since April 2012 after paying almost $1 billion.

INS Arihant, with its 750km range K-15 missiles, will finally plug the big operational gap. The progress, of course, has been slow. Ever since the 83MW pressurized light-water reactor on board the 6,000-tonne INS Arihant went "critical" on August 10 last year, there has been talk of "impending sea trials" but they are yet to kick off.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Jan 2014 22:14

Does the Arihant have two crews for the missile stations?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Jan 2014 07:09

Blue and Gold? Other reports indicate that the Chakra is being used to train N-crews. The Hindu has a report but a pic of the "Arihant",at Vizag,actually the Chakra!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Jan 2014 07:48

sea trials are surely delayed for unknown reasons. was supposed to happen in 4Q 2013.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 22 Jan 2014 07:52

Singha wrote:sea trials are surely delayed for unknown reasons. was supposed to happen in 4Q 2013.

I remember post Kilo disaster they were waiting for Russian submarine rescue vehicle...

Snehashis · Post by **Snehashis** » 24 Jan 2014 01:21

Arihant tableu via PIB.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 24 Jan 2014 12:31

Snehashis wrote:Arihant tableu via PIB.

Does anyone have bigger views & alternate angles? Paging MAK & Chacko.

I am surprised to see missiles fired from the bow like US Virginia class.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 24 Jan 2014 13:19

Higher resolution picture here http://www.pib.nic.in/newsite/photo.aspx

And its NOT Arihant but a normal EKM submarine. The missile is not Shourya but a standard Klub LACM, that is the most common missile for the class. And its fired via TT & not VLS.

Given its shabbiness, looks like a really pissed written off officer gave technical inputs for it.

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 24 Jan 2014 14:05

Nothing like actual but anyways..

maz · Post by **maz** » 24 Jan 2014 20:12

I agree with tsarkar. This is shabbiness at its peak. Not quite the way to do good PR is it? BR types would have been able put together a far better maquette (model) of the float with a very good likeness of the Arihant

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 24 Jan 2014 20:42

^^^ Evil yindoos , I like what I see that is how it should be no one that needs to know should know anything about it. This is more like eyewash since read end is of Kilo for sure.

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 Jan 2014 00:23

Given the secrecy around Arihant, maybe the shabbiness was intentional

Even media reports on Arihant carry a pic of Chakra.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 25 Jan 2014 00:45

This has to be the sh!ttiest looking model ever made. Its pathetic really. One can only cry or

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 25 Jan 2014 00:58

Karan M wrote:This has to be the sh!ttiest looking model ever made. Its pathetic really. One can only cry or

Looks like they used a Boeing 747 model and made modifications by adding the lower rudder and the stabilizer fins.

-M

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 25 Jan 2014 01:12

Its in the Navy display section to boot.. not like some 2 year old kids contributed it. They didnt even bother hiding the front of the rear display, you can see the shabby struts, tires etc.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 25 Jan 2014 02:00

Maybe the orders came too late from PMO; and at 11th hour that's all which could be prepared.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 25 Jan 2014 02:05

What's that beetle like thing in front? Can't be a real republic day display....

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 25 Jan 2014 03:04

It is...for showing off in front of Shinzo Abe.

This is what Abes nation makes.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 023%29.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Kongo.jpg

And we put up this shabby contraption as a symbol of our nation. When we actually have made the Arihant..

Its pathetic really...and like most things run under this admin, slapstick black comedy. Only this will be their last and change is coming hopefully

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 25 Jan 2014 05:31

Karan M wrote: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Kongo.jpg

Japanese Navy battle flag flying in Pearl Harbor with USS Arizona memorial in the background. Best buddies again.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 25 Jan 2014 06:06

The JMSDF Kongo's are variants of the Arleigh Burke DDG class anyway, so it's practically an American ship... The Soryu's on the other hand are all Japanese subs.

I hope the IN top brass are appalled by the float and remove it from their section of the parade. Perhaps it was a 11th hour effort but there's no need to present something that looks so amateurish.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Jan 2014 06:22

What's that beetle like thing in front? Can't be a real republic day display....

The front end of a sub!!!! Those "eyes" are supposed to be TT.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 25 Jan 2014 07:15

dinesha wrote:Nothing like actual but anyways..

We need more discipline and artistic talent. The people at the top don't give a sh*t so this is the type of quality we will get. They will just poke their heads out for a few hrs and then head back inside to count the money.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Jan 2014 07:34

a large sign saying "Can we license build the Soryu, Abe san?" would be more appropriate lol

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 25 Jan 2014 07:46

Shame

Unless it is some papier-mâché effort by kids and is clearly indicated as such...

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 25 Jan 2014 08:43

The Soryu class building process is very fast. four years from keel laying to commissioning.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Jan 2014 15:07

are these even necessary ????

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 25 Jan 2014 15:20

krishnan wrote:are these even necessary ????

sattili · Post by **sattili** » 25 Jan 2014 15:38

NRao wrote:
What's that beetle like thing in front? Can't be a real republic day display....
The front end of a sub!!!! Those "eyes" are supposed to be TT.

Nope those holes for the driver and the cleaner(err..navigator) of the tractor to see the road

Just kidding, couldn't resist.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 25 Jan 2014 16:13

Is that disgusting shitty model of an abomination going to be displayed for real ???

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 25 Jan 2014 16:42

Yes... and a pic will be online at Getty Images for Rs 20,000 for a 1 year license. No kidding, thats what they charge.

Thats probably more than the amount spent on that float.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 25 Jan 2014 17:38

This is an abomination and disgrace.Come on CNS,don't you even vet the floats,or are you too busy with graver matters? And what is the Kilo doing in the parade? A memorial to the SRakshak perhaps? In extremely poor taste...and it would've all been built by a contractor ,a turd rate one at that for an arm and a leg .A Bollywood set designer would've done a far better job.Someone should file a case of murder of the IN's reputation!

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 25 Jan 2014 20:04

Let's BRFites pool money together and have some skilled carpenter make a wooden model 30 feet long like this and present it to navy :

Also have two K-4 and K-15 aluminium missile models.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 25 Jan 2014 20:33

Well, at least there are no sailors standing at attention and holding a salute on top of the sub.

Actually, a lot of the floats have been quite amateurish for years. Even some of the marches are terrible. Hopping middle eastern style marches with full camo, motorcycle circus acts just don't have the right "ishtyle" IMHO but maybe I'm just old school. OTOH, the flypast has been truncated to 2, 3 minutes when they used to be a good 15 minutes to half an hour in the "old" days.

One recent RDay, the first thing we saw was soldiers crouched in fetal position wearing scooter helmets floating by above the fog. It took me a few seconds to realize that they were actually perched on and steering motorcycles via 10-foot high handlebars. Then there were the foot salutes that could hit the guy behind on the head. Nice expertise and all but do we need this stuff?

Much better if we had actual motorcycle troops like the camel and horse troops.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 26 Jan 2014 06:28

I was no fan of the hopping march either, but it does demo the intense physical fitness of the Paras - they literally run past the podium.

The funny/weird motorcycle poses IMHO, daredevil or not, just need to go. They are just plain tacky in todays world.

sattili · Post by **sattili** » 26 Jan 2014 10:53

dinesha wrote:Nothing like actual but anyways..

I am watching the webcast live and saw this model. Announcer never said its Arihant nor is there any display board with that name. They simply said a submarine...so it could be anything in our service. Wonder why didnt they display atleast Chakra if they can display Arihant.