Why the surprise or disbelief if the incidents are commonplace? SDREs can't do it, eh?
Marten this whole crap stared with someone claiming Arihant's sonar is better than that on Ohio's, for a start can someone even provide a link to support that ?
Where did I question Kilo's capability to detect Ohio, I don't understand your point . I only asked for the relevant link to support the claim.
Who talked about them being chased away -- we're talking of pinging them. Did I claim at any point that they chased them away? Why put words in my mouth?
Read Udddu's post I suppose that is what you are basing your argument on if not then from where do you quote 'We are talking of pinging them' ?. More importantly Kilo detecting a Ohio does tell how good the USHUS is, however it does not tell how good the BQQ-6/15 suite on Ohio is that is why my emphasis on not quoting that incident out of context, for instance there was yet another incident involving Chinese navy and Indian Kilo where a lot of gibbersih was printed in Chinese and International media about IN sub being forced to surface which was categorically denied by the IN .
The point was simple: If such incidents are commonplace, why would the gazillions being poured into US tech be considered superior? No one is talking of Ushus being superior -- in terms of the $$$ and years of research, would one not expect a more superlative result???
Huh did you even notice how this debate even started ? A statement was made about Arihant's sonar being superior to that on Ohio .
So? I mentioned 2 bases.
You certainly follow the reasons for Swedes being chased for depleting their fleet at Muskö. The US tech obviously needed recalibration.
It is not just US everyone needs it , the difference is USN manages to get access to the platform in question to improve their capability.
IN would for that matter would love to get a sneak peak into the Agostas or even the U-214s .
Now, if the HMS Galland "defeated" SSNs during the Mediterranean wargames as did the Gotland that "got" Ronald Reagan much later while on lease, why would we deny the (admittedly inferior) Kilo any chances at all?
Firstly Gotland <> Kilo for former is half the size of a Kilo and is equipped with AIP propulsion , secondly when we talk about ability to detect a SSK we are not only talking about how good the Sonar suite of pursuer is but the acoustic signature of the submarine in question too so the Gotland episode has little relevance to the topic being discussed here.
Seriously, Negi... we can discount all SDREs, but your own statement and the reports from those incidents indicate US ASW tech was found deficient (by the USN, not me or anyone else on this forum).
Boss USN also claims that Gotland is the quietest SSK out there, they also claim that after their lease of Gotland they have improved their ability to detect modern SSKs .http://www.cus.navy.mil/paofiles/27JAN06.pdf
Paulraj does not work on defense tech. I personally know at least three others working at senior levels in Raytheon HQ that have family very rooted in India. One of the research heads of the Patriot program is an SDRE. Chances are it works both ways. Or do SDREs only commit espionage when they have moved to the US? Methinks not.
This is even more ridiculous, I hope you are aware of the differences between working for a country of your residence (it cannot be termed espionage by any stretch of an imagination if that is the case then all SDREs working in USA are in a way indulging in espionage against India) vs passing information about about your host country's classified programme to another .
Someone claimed Ushus was better. I did not.
For all the $$$ and years of superior research, US SSNs have been pinged/surprised/photographed by subs a decade older than themselves and fifty times as noisy.
What are these decade old subs ? The Sindhughosh class were built around the same time frame as that of the Ohios. Gotlands are newer afaik 90's vintage.
I suppose we can agree perhaps one of us SDREs chanced upon an Ohio and put forth a friendly Hi (since they would have known the Ohio would have "seen" them 150 miles away).
May be it happened but why bring it up to here ? How does it support the claim that USHUS or whatever is there on Arihant is superior to Ohio ?
Unfortunately I have no links. If there were an Internet link or an Admiral who would vouch for such an incident, I will let you know for sure. Until then, I would go by the assumption that the US is not getting as much return on its ASW research investments as the SDREs were with Dr Paulraj around.
[/quote]Return on investment is an economic aspect and I don't think we are discussing anything remotely related with ROI .