INS Arihant (ATV) News and Discussion -2

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Postby D Roy » 17 Sep 2010 08:05

Also understand the significance of the new Barc at Vishakapatnam and Chitradurga-2 which will come up on the outskirts of Kolkata.



The book and its excerpts which is causing so much 'consternation" among some members here is the usual modus operandi to provoke yindoos to release information.

The whining about the 'mismatch' between Indian defense planning and threats is part of the usual "buy yamriki weapons to counter Chicom and sign specific agreements if you want to use them optimally".

of course this doesn't mean that we don't buy yamriki. but we buy based on what the Indian military thinks it requires and not what yamriki analysts say.

During the Cold war we had the same problem with the Soviets. They often tried to ram acquisitions down our throats depending on the views of their own analysts.

But this is not the Cold war. And this is a very different India.

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Postby Suresh S » 17 Sep 2010 08:27

singha sir I enjoyed that post immensely. on a more serious note very true though.

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Postby SSridhar » 21 Sep 2010 18:45

From an interview by Dr. Srikumar Bannerjee
Excerpts
It has been more than a year since India's nuclear-powered submarine, Arihant, was launched. What is the progress on that? Has the LWR on board the submarine been started up?

Our nuclear steam supply system is ready 100 per cent. From our [DAE] side, everything is ready. We are only waiting for other systems to become operational so that we can start the commissioning activity of the reactor. The rest of the submarine parts have to be ready before we can start the reactor. I do not know when the harbour trials will be done.

The Navy will need three or four nuclear-powered submarines for this arm to be a viable force. Arihant will not do. Will you build more LWRs for these nuclear-powered submarines?

We are already doing that. I will not be able to tell you the number, but it is a fact that we are in that game. The next nuclear steam-generating plants are getting ready for future applications.

Where will the enriched uranium for these boats come from? Only the Rare Materials Plant at Ratnahalli, near Mysore, produces enriched uranium. Will the proposed special material enrichment facility in Chitradurga district be helpful?

Chitradurga will come a little later, not immediately. Our Ratnahalli plant capacity has been enhanced. But more than that, there is significant improvement in our technology. Usually, a term called separating work units [SWUs] defines the technology level that we have achieved in this, and I can assure you that there has been considerable improvement in SWUs of our next-generation caskets of centrifuges. The separating capacity of our centrifuges has improved. So, total capacity enhancement has been done at Ratnahalli. We are confident of supplying the entire fuel for the set of…. This has given us the confidence to build the [enrichment] plant. You cannot say anymore that India does not have enrichment technology. India has its own technology and can produce [enriched uranium]. We have not started doing it for large-scale commercial nuclear power stations, which require a much larger quantity of enriched uranium. We will be able to do that once we go to Chitradurga.

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Postby Willy » 21 Sep 2010 19:06

SSridhar wrote:From an interview by Dr. Srikumar Bannerjee
Excerpts
It has been more than a year since India's nuclear-powered submarine, Arihant, was launched. What is the progress on that? Has the LWR on board the submarine been started up?

Our nuclear steam supply system is ready 100 per cent. From our [DAE] side, everything is ready. We are only waiting for other systems to become operational so that we can start the commissioning activity of the reactor. The rest of the submarine parts have to be ready before we can start the reactor. I do not know when the harbour trials will be done.

The Navy will need three or four nuclear-powered submarines for this arm to be a viable force. Arihant will not do. Will you build more LWRs for these nuclear-powered submarines?

We are already doing that. I will not be able to tell you the number, but it is a fact that we are in that game. The next nuclear steam-generating plants are getting ready for future applications.

Where will the enriched uranium for these boats come from? Only the Rare Materials Plant at Ratnahalli, near Mysore, produces enriched uranium. Will the proposed special material enrichment facility in Chitradurga district be helpful?

Chitradurga will come a little later, not immediately. Our Ratnahalli plant capacity has been enhanced. But more than that, there is significant improvement in our technology. Usually, a term called separating work units [SWUs] defines the technology level that we have achieved in this, and I can assure you that there has been considerable improvement in SWUs of our next-generation caskets of centrifuges. The separating capacity of our centrifuges has improved. So, total capacity enhancement has been done at Ratnahalli. We are confident of supplying the entire fuel for the set of…. This has given us the confidence to build the [enrichment] plant. You cannot say anymore that India does not have enrichment technology. India has its own technology and can produce [enriched uranium]. We have not started doing it for large-scale commercial nuclear power stations, which require a much larger quantity of enriched uranium. We will be able to do that once we go to Chitradurga.


Chitradurga will have to either cater to the military or the commercial sector. It cant do both as per the recent nuclear deal.

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Postby Aditya_V » 21 Sep 2010 20:12

Willy wrote:"SSridhar"]From an interview by Dr. Srikumar Bannerjee
Excerpts
It has been more than a year since India's nuclear-powered submarine, Arihant, was launched. What is the progress on that? Has the LWR on board the submarine been started up?

Our nuclear steam supply system is ready 100 per cent. From our [DAE] side, everything is ready. We are only waiting for other systems to become operational so that we can start the commissioning activity of the reactor. The rest of the submarine parts have to be ready before we can start the reactor. I do not know when the harbour trials will be done.

The Navy will need three or four nuclear-powered submarines for this arm to be a viable force. Arihant will not do. Will you build more LWRs for these nuclear-powered submarines?

We are already doing that. I will not be able to tell you the number, but it is a fact that we are in that game. The next nuclear steam-generating plants are getting ready for future applications.

Where will the enriched uranium for these boats come from? Only the Rare Materials Plant at Ratnahalli, near Mysore, produces enriched uranium. Will the proposed special material enrichment facility in Chitradurga district be helpful?

Chitradurga will come a little later, not immediately. Our Ratnahalli plant capacity has been enhanced. But more than that, there is significant improvement in our technology. Usually, a term called separating work units [SWUs] defines the technology level that we have achieved in this, and I can assure you that there has been considerable improvement in SWUs of our next-generation caskets of centrifuges. The separating capacity of our centrifuges has improved. So, total capacity enhancement has been done at Ratnahalli. We are confident of supplying the entire fuel for the set of…. This has given us the confidence to build the [enrichment] plant. You cannot say anymore that India does not have enrichment technology. India has its own technology and can produce [enriched uranium]. We have not started doing it for large-scale commercial nuclear power stations, which require a much larger quantity of enriched uranium. We will be able to do that once we go to Chitradurga

Chitradurga will have to either cater to the military or the commercial sector. It cant do both as per the recent nuclear deal.


There is no such restriction, Plants are either in the safeguarded list or the not in the safeguarded list. If a power plant is not in list covered by IAEA controls it can do both

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Postby JTull » 21 Sep 2010 20:12

Willy wrote:
SSridhar wrote: We have not started doing it for large-scale commercial nuclear power stations, which require a much larger quantity of enriched uranium. We will be able to do that once we go to Chitradurga.


Chitradurga will have to either cater to the military or the commercial sector. It cant do both as per the recent nuclear deal.


Not quite correct. In India's case this is irrelevant. So long as India uses the enriched uranium from it's domestic sources in the reactors that have not been notified, India can do what it wants. For the reactors that have been notified and brought under IAEA monitoring (to be able to use imported fuel), the re-processing facilities have to be separate. The imported (unspent) fuel or the spent fuel cannot be diverted.

Note that the source of fuel is irrelevant. India need not import fuel for the monitored reactors and can use any domestic fuel source. But once the fuel enters the commercial space for the monitored reactors, it cannot be take out.

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Postby svinayak » 21 Sep 2010 20:37

putnanja wrote:
Kersi D wrote:
Where is Chitradurga ? Sound it is somewhere in South India. Any coordinates please ?

K


Chitradurga is in central Karnataka. Check out this map

Chitradurga, also called Durga by the locals(yours truly) has a NRI US returned MP. He is an IISc alumni and recently met lot of people. He told about the many programs which are planned for the district.
He has been taking some help from DRDO to get water to villages and taluk in the district.
OT:
As far as India’s strategic R&D is concerned, Chitradurga distt. is going to be place of action in few years time. Four Major activities there:
1. DRDO has acquired 4,290 acres for an advanced R&D complex, a 3.5 km runway and test centre for long-endurance ( 48-72 hours) UAVs and UCAVs
2. BARC has acquired 2000 acres for "Special Material Enrichment Facility".
3. IISc has acquired 1700 acres to develop Energy Research Centre and Advanced Aerospace Research Centre, whatever that means..
4. Indian Army is seeking 10000 acres to establish some “top secret facility” and also to station a Brigade there

The district has one of the largest windmill farms. It is the historical capital of the Nayak chieftains under the Vijayanagara empire.
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/blewis/www/chitradurga.htm

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Postby dinesha » 21 Sep 2010 21:21

dinesha wrote:OT:
As far as India’s strategic R&D is concerned, Chitradurga distt. is going to be place of action in few years time. Four Major activities there:
1. DRDO has acquired 4,290 acres for an advanced R&D complex, a 3.5 km runway and test centre for long-endurance ( 48-72 hours) UAVs and UCAVs
2. BARC has acquired 2000 acres for "Special Material Enrichment Facility".
3. IISc has acquired 1700 acres to develop Energy Research Centre and Advanced Aerospace Research Centre, whatever that means..
4. Indian Army is seeking 10000 acres to establish some “top secret facility” and also to station a Brigade there

BTW: IISc is going to use 100 acres there to build a Third generation "Synchrotron", which will be able to accelerate electrons up to 6GeV. I think third highest energy synchrotron in Asia, first and second being in Japan which accelerate electrons upto 12 GeV and 8 GeV.

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Postby kmc_chacko » 21 Sep 2010 22:20

Chitradurga . . . . . so a very big R&D area is coming close to my place.

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Postby Bade » 21 Sep 2010 23:49

“The facility will fill a huge gap in research infrastructure in the country. The absence of a next-generation synchrotron is beginning to bite,” he told The Hindu. “It is a vital tool for building scientific capability within the country rather than having to use such facilities elsewhere.” The synchrotron will be in the range of 2.5-6 GeV (Giga electron Volts). China's Shanghai Synchrotron Radiation Facility, for instance, is 3.5 GeV.

IISc. to install ‘synchrotron' on Chitradurga campus

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Postby dinesha » 06 Oct 2010 10:04

X-post
Russia may offer strategic technologies
Vladimir Radyuhin
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 814932.ece
Russia may offer India strategic defence technologies to retain dominant position in the Indian crowded weapons market, said a Russian expert.

“Growing international competition for the Indian defence market will push Russia to expand its cooperation with India into new sectors where it has no rivals, such as strategic weapons and technologies,” said Konstantin Makienko of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) ahead of the 10th session of the India-Russia intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation.

The IGC commission will meet in New Delhi on October 7 under co-chair of Defence Minister A. K. Antony and his Russian counterpart, Anatoly Serdyukov.

The Russian expert suggested that the two countries could diversify their defence ties into nuclear submarine technologies despite continuing international restrictions against India.

“India's de-facto joining of the nuclear club makes such restrictions rather pointless.”

In fact, Russia is already helping India acquire nuclear submarine capability. Next March, Russia will hand over an Akula-class attack submarine, Nerpa, to India on a 10-year lease.

Its design has been largely incorporated in India's first indigenously built nuclear submarine, INS Arihant, launched last year.
Cooperation in strategic weapons will be in line with Russia's long-time policy of offering India advanced defence technologies.

“Russia is interested in strengthening India's defence potential without any limitations,” said Mr. Makienko, adding Russia was not prepared to supply China high-end weapons systems that India received.

The fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), which India will build jointly with Russia, is one example of this policy.

“The FGFA programme will enable India to join the exclusive club of nations who have such weapon systems,” he said. “It will give India an overkill capability over China, not to mention Pakistan.”

The FGFA project marks a further shift in Indo-Russian defence ties from a buyer-seller relationship to joint design and construction of new weapons systems.

Top destination
In coming years India will remain number one destination for Russian defence sales, according to the Russian Centre for Analysis of International Weapons Trade (CAIWT). “In 2010-2013 India will account for 54.4 percent of Russian weapons exports estimated at over $15 billion,” the CAIWT said.

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Postby Willy » 06 Oct 2010 13:37

dinesha wrote:
dinesha wrote:OT:
As far as India’s strategic R&D is concerned, Chitradurga distt. is going to be place of action in few years time. Four Major activities there:
1. DRDO has acquired 4,290 acres for an advanced R&D complex, a 3.5 km runway and test centre for long-endurance ( 48-72 hours) UAVs and UCAVs
2. BARC has acquired 2000 acres for "Special Material Enrichment Facility".
3. IISc has acquired 1700 acres to develop Energy Research Centre and Advanced Aerospace Research Centre, whatever that means..
4. Indian Army is seeking 10000 acres to establish some “top secret facility” and also to station a Brigade there

BTW: IISc is going to use 100 acres there to build a Third generation "Synchrotron", which will be able to accelerate electrons up to 6GeV. I think third highest energy synchrotron in Asia, first and second being in Japan which accelerate electrons upto 12 GeV and 8 GeV.



Wont a test site for UCAVS and UAVs close to a nuclear enrichment plant be dangerous? Imagine one of them crashing into a nuke building.

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Postby Singha » 06 Oct 2010 13:57

mostly such facilities will be underground I think, to avoid prying IMINT satellites.

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Postby Shankar » 06 Oct 2010 14:00

The Russian expert suggested that the two countries could diversify their defence ties into nuclear submarine technologies despite continuing international restrictions against India.

“India's de-facto joining of the nuclear club makes such restrictions rather pointless.”
In fact, Russia is already helping India acquire nuclear submarine capability. Next March, Russia will hand over an Akula-class attack submarine, Nerpa, to India on a 10-year lease.

Its design has been largely incorporated in India's first indigenously built nuclear submarine, INS Arihant, launched last year.


thats what was trying to prove during initial discussions on Arihant -which very few agreed to that time

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Postby Austin » 06 Oct 2010 14:16

^^^ IIRC the previous Russian Ambassador in the interview said the same thing

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Postby Philip » 06 Oct 2010 14:26

Indo-Russian Def.Mins are in talks right now.A top Russian def. official,head of CAST (cros-posted in Indo-Russ.thread),accompanying the Russian Def. Min. has recommended that to maintain its close ties with India,Russia should provide India with strategic "triad" technology,SSBN tech,Oscar class SSGNs to counter Chinese carriers,TU-22M3 strategic bombers,Kirov nuclear powered battle cruisers,etc.,etc.If this happens then it will give a huge boost to Indian manufacture of N-subs,especially that of our SSBNs and future SSGNs.


PS:Excerpt from a Hindu report on the current Russian Def. Min's visit.

In fact, Russia is already helping India acquire nuclear submarine capability. Next March, Russia will hand over an Akula-class attack submarine, Nerpa, to India on a 10-year lease.

Its design has been largely incorporated in India's first indigenously built nuclear submarine, INS Arihant, launched last year.

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Postby SaiK » 12 Oct 2010 17:15

the hindu wrote:Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission Srikumar Banerjee said, “India is working towards the development of indigenous LWRs of large size of 700 MWe capacity. We are planning them.”

The Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) has demonstrated its expertise in LWR technology by building an 80 MWt LWR that will power nuclear-powered submarine Arihant, which was launched in July 2009.

As a forerunner to the LWR installed onboard the Arihant, the BARC built an 80 MWt LWR, also called Pressurised Water Reactor (PWR), at Kalpakkam, 60 km from Chennai. The PWR at Kalpakkam and the submarine version are on a 1:1 scale.

India is also planning to import 36 LWRs, with a total capacity of 40,000 MWe, from Russia, France and the U.S. These include the two under construction at Kudankulam.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/10/12/stories/2010101262110800.htm

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Postby Willy » 15 Oct 2010 16:35

Philip wrote:Indo-Russian Def.Mins are in talks right now.A top Russian def. official,head of CAST (cros-posted in Indo-Russ.thread),accompanying the Russian Def. Min. has recommended that to maintain its close ties with India,Russia should provide India with strategic "triad" technology,SSBN tech,Oscar class SSGNs to counter Chinese carriers,TU-22M3 strategic bombers,Kirov nuclear powered battle cruisers,etc.,etc.If this happens then it will give a huge boost to Indian manufacture of N-subs,especially that of our SSBNs and future SSGNs.


PS:Excerpt from a Hindu report on the current Russian Def. Min's visit.



Dream Dream Dream lol :mrgreen:

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Postby Christopher Sidor » 15 Oct 2010 17:27

dinesha wrote:X-post
Russia may offer strategic technologies
Vladimir Radyuhin
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 814932.ece
Russia may offer India strategic defence technologies to retain dominant position in the Indian crowded weapons market, said a Russian expert.

“Growing international competition for the Indian defence market will push Russia to expand its cooperation with India into new sectors where it has no rivals, such as strategic weapons and technologies,” said Konstantin Makienko of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) ahead of the 10th session of the India-Russia intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation.

The IGC commission will meet in New Delhi on October 7 under co-chair of Defence Minister A. K. Antony and his Russian counterpart, Anatoly Serdyukov.

The Russian expert suggested that the two countries could diversify their defence ties into nuclear submarine technologies despite continuing international restrictions against India.

“India's de-facto joining of the nuclear club makes such restrictions rather pointless.”

In fact, Russia is already helping India acquire nuclear submarine capability. Next March, Russia will hand over an Akula-class attack submarine, Nerpa, to India on a 10-year lease.

Its design has been largely incorporated in India's first indigenously built nuclear submarine, INS Arihant, launched last year.
Cooperation in strategic weapons will be in line with Russia's long-time policy of offering India advanced defence technologies.

“Russia is interested in strengthening India's defence potential without any limitations,” said Mr. Makienko, adding Russia was not prepared to supply China high-end weapons systems that India received.

The fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), which India will build jointly with Russia, is one example of this policy.

“The FGFA programme will enable India to join the exclusive club of nations who have such weapon systems,” he said. “It will give India an overkill capability over China, not to mention Pakistan.”

The FGFA project marks a further shift in Indo-Russian defence ties from a buyer-seller relationship to joint design and construction of new weapons systems.

Top destination
In coming years India will remain number one destination for Russian defence sales, according to the Russian Centre for Analysis of International Weapons Trade (CAIWT). “In 2010-2013 India will account for 54.4 percent of Russian weapons exports estimated at over $15 billion,” the CAIWT said.



Goodie. India should play hardball and get these. The best thing about russia is that it gives the latest tech without any strings unlike the US. The down side is the schedule slippages, cost escalations and off course the tendency to share weapon systems with china.

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Postby Pratik_S » 15 Oct 2010 17:46

All the above news could possibly be precursor to signing of much delayed deal of 4 Tu-22M for IN.

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Postby Surya » 15 Oct 2010 19:28

provide India with strategic "triad" technology,SSBN tech,Oscar class SSGNs to counter Chinese carriers,TU-22M3 strategic bombers,Kirov nuclear powered battle cruisers,etc


Kirov ?? Oscar??

a lot of it is cold war stuff - expensive and nightmarish to maintain. Not sure this is your wish list or was an actual quote

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Postby Pratyush » 15 Oct 2010 19:37

Getting an oscar may work for India if it is a new construction and fitted with the Brahmos. Else the last one bulit and if still in service was built in earlt 90s.

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Postby Surya » 15 Oct 2010 20:46

pratyush and that will start the debacle all over again

All these have non existing supply chain and the IA,IAF and IN have suffered dearly for exisitn gproducts in inventory

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Postby Avik » 15 Oct 2010 21:54

Only the Oscar's would be of use. The rest are junk and are a ploy to keep Russians employed with Indian money...

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Postby Singha » 15 Oct 2010 22:17

tu22 is no longer in production I expect. usual nightmare to maintain using cannibalized spares from siberian boneyard probably. and anyways 4 hardly make any sense at all. 50 new build ones would be a credible force armed with 3 brahmos/6 nirbhay each but nobody is going to reopen that ancient production line.

with the tu160 having high cost, perhaps a upscale and more stealthy "silent eagle" type su34 is what Russia plans? we can buy in one that idea...but must have the 5th gen fuel sipping engine, totally pakfa avionic and radar ... !

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Postby Willy » 15 Oct 2010 22:23

Singha wrote:tu22 is no longer in production I expect. usual nightmare to maintain using cannibalized spares from siberian boneyard probably. and anyways 4 hardly make any sense at all. 50 new build ones would be a credible force armed with 3 brahmos/6 nirbhay each but nobody is going to reopen that ancient production line.

with the tu160 having high cost, perhaps a upscale and more stealthy "silent eagle" type su34 is what Russia plans? we can buy in one that idea...but must have the 5th gen fuel sipping engine, totally pakfa avionic and radar ... !



Maybe India will co-develop the new Russian Bomber :) :mrgreen:

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Postby Vivek K » 15 Oct 2010 23:09

Avik wrote:Only the Oscar's would be of use. The rest are junk and are a ploy to keep Russians employed with Indian money...

Get tech to make more Arihants. Get aero engine tech and make the MCA. Re-engine the 27s with AL-31 or a Rolls/PW/Honeywell/... Increase the range of Brahmos.

But first and foremost improve the road/rail infrastructure to Arunachal/Tawang. Get the LCA and the MRCA in service. Get 1000 Arjuns in service. Get the MPAs in operation and the DRDO AEW&C operational. Most of all work on the ABM and deploy it.

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Postby Surya » 15 Oct 2010 23:39

Finally sense returns :)

agree with Vivek - lots of smaller steps then take old crapola white elephants

also rengine the Jaguar so that it does not have to depend on the curvature of the earth to take off :)

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Postby Vivek K » 15 Oct 2010 23:59

Surya wrote:also rengine the Jaguar so that it does not have to depend on the curvature of the earth to take off :)

:rotfl: !

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Postby pkudva » 16 Oct 2010 06:42

Though i dont disclose on anything in this topic.

Just a Update,things at Vizag are moving smoothly....some hick ups here and there but they are being over come......

Cheers.

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Postby Pratyush » 16 Oct 2010 10:22

Guys, just how soon can we expect to see the Arihant in IN service.

Or it has disappeared after acquiring the Romulan cloking device. :P

Also, the level of security seems to be terriffic that none of the ouside powers are able to accurately comment on its capabilities.

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Postby Singha » 16 Oct 2010 10:30

wouldnt it need the Akula available to conduct submerged sea trials or speed trials? eta for akula is march next yr.

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Postby pkudva » 16 Oct 2010 10:32

you are right. The Navy only allows the firm representative to enter the compartments which are related to them. As a result no one as of now knows the actual status.

But , The boat is very much sophisticated. Although critics have their own say.....but....it has got the required punch....what it needs to survive in waters.

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Postby Pratyush » 16 Oct 2010 11:33

Singha wrote:wouldnt it need the Akula available to conduct submerged sea trials or speed trials? eta for akula is march next yr.



No reason why it will need another sub for sea trials. It can do so by it self. Its just that was hopinng the Navy and the SBC to announce the number of visits to the open sea. Like it is done for the LCA. :wink: But the security is such that no one is aware of the accurate status of the project.

Which is a great thing for a submarine. 8)

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Re: INS Arihant (ATV) News and Discussion -2

Postby Philip » 16 Oct 2010 13:06

There are several sqds. of TU-22/22M3s available.They have been mothballed.They have to have better AEW and anti-missile warning systems,but are excellent platforms with a couple of decades of life left in them.Equipped with hypersonic Brahmos and our 1500km LR cruise missile being developed,they would be hugely capable platforms.Why,the US is still using a large number of B-52s and plan to modernise even these too! Thanks to stand-off missiles,any Cold War LR bomber is relevant today.Even our pensioned off Canberra's can be resurrected with the right knid of stand-off missiles.The Oscars are extremely formidable,with a v.heavy weaponload specifically built to destroy carrier task forces (one Oscar built for each US carrier task force).These are being offered to us specifically to deal with any PLAN carrier group,as 4 carriers are being built.LR Backfires operating from our land and island bases and Oscars combined would be a deadly combination able to deal with any navy that challenges the IN in the future.

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Re: INS Arihant (ATV) News and Discussion -2

Postby ramana » 27 Oct 2010 07:24

When are the sea trails to be complete for the vessel?

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Re: INS Arihant (ATV) News and Discussion -2

Postby Austin » 27 Oct 2010 10:56

ramana wrote:When are the sea trails to be complete for the vessel?


From what I know they have not yet started the harbor trial , the navy seems not too happy with the first one and plans to make it into a TD platform.

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Re: INS Arihant (ATV) News and Discussion -2

Postby Vivek K » 27 Oct 2010 11:02

so the Russian Ambassador was lying when he said that the arihant was the Akula? The Navy does not like Akulas, is that it? is that why the Chakra is taking forever to be delivered?

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Re: INS Arihant (ATV) News and Discussion -2

Postby Christopher Sidor » 27 Oct 2010 11:08

^^^
INS Chakra II has left Russia for India. It happened a few months ago. It is just that India is not keen on advertising the fact that we are going to get a SSN in addition to Arihant.

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Re: INS Arihant (ATV) News and Discussion -2

Postby sum » 27 Oct 2010 11:27

Austin wrote:
ramana wrote:When are the sea trails to be complete for the vessel?


From what I know they have not yet started the harbor trial , the navy seems not too happy with the first one and plans to make it into a TD platform.

Navy seems not too happy?


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