Negi saab, to start with, Avadi is not as big a factor with the T90 as it is with Arjun - in case they goof up on the former, there is always Nizhny Tagril to turn to to fill up the numbers, for Arjun, they are basically it!! And that is a big factor IMO in the Army's thinking...
on the contrary avadi is a very big factor in T-90, beyond a certain number no govt is going to allow unlimited imports from russia (it's tagil btw, not tagril) and IA knows this quite well.
But your (and many others') point on Army's GSQR is very moot - obvioulsy GSQR management is something that IA learnt the hard way in the last couple of decades...The initial GSQRs might well have been put down as a response to a reported Paki acquisition of the M1 (Gen Zia's last act in office was to view a demo of the M1!)...Over the years, that "threat" didnt materialise, and possibly the Army itself realised the infrastructural/logisitical challenges of a heavier tank..Its a fair point you are making actually, but for the DRDO (and Arjun lovers), it earns nothing but brownie points...
a bad tank is a bad tank is a bad tank, even russia, with her decades of investment in infrastructure for t-series tanks understands that and is going away from the faulty design of the T-72/90.
you do not go to war in an inferior system just because you have the infrastructure for it, when better alternatives are available. it's not as if GOI was going to deny funds required for setting up arjun infra. as of now the army is unable to even spend the funds allotted to it, (albeit due to MOD shenangians and also due unreasonable demands from IA) so it's not as if it is massively cash-strapped. secondly, has the army ever made this point that logistics is the problem ? it's a moot point raised by people to defend this indefensible decision.
The point of GWI and II, made repeatedly, by you and others on the other hand, is not so simple though IMHO..It presumes that in modern warfare, a tank squares off against anotehr tank in a sort of a duel
which only makes it clear that you haven't bothered to read the points raised ("by him and others") in the first place. may I request you to do that first before discussing the merits of those points ?
it is against MANPATGMs and RPG's that the tincans will be most vulnerable and PA has been massively stocking up on those.
...Its a system that comes into play, not a piece of equipment..By that logic, even Russian aircraft operated by the Iraqis performed very poorly against Coalition aircraft - should we then banish Russian aircraft as well and plump for Western stuff only? Neither are Indians operating T72s Iraqis, nor are our adversaries Amercican/British forces with the sort of situational awareness and firepower and above all, materiel resupply capabilities that Pakistan can think only in their dreams....
apples and oranges. no one is arguing on those general terms, the weakness of the T-90's armour and ammo storage arrangement is well documented. it's precisely because the situations of the air force was different that you don't see people arguing across the board about them.
These things dont work acording to plan always in any case...Merkava is the most "armoured" piece of beast in the world, custom made by Israel due to its unique needs...Israeli armoured forces didnt really cover themselves in glory in the last couple of campaigns did they?
as against which army ? the russian army in chechnya ? or the T-series tanks on both sides in the georgian conflict ?
what % of merkava's were write-offs ? how many crews died out of the total number that were hit ? what would the situation have been if those were T-90/T-72 in stead of merkavas ?
And they were facing precisely the sort of general threats that the Merkava has been designed for (ATGMs, RPGs, IEDs etc)...
and it gave a very good account of itself in one of the most hostile environments for a tank, urban warfare with the adversary armed with modern ATGMs.
So its a bit of a simplistic fallacy to conclude that a "heavier", western design tank is the "best solution...
the fallacy is in this quoted simplistic rehetorical statement.
Wrong. Arjun Was ready.
Joseph saab, well thats news then, we were still reading of engine related problems at that time..In any case even if it were, was Avadi ready to deliver 200 odd nos in short time?
within a year of starting production of arjun,
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2008/07/ ... arjun.html
Arjun production line is already very close to producing its installed capacity of 50 tanks a year.
if higher production rate was required, I daresay that would have been done too. at any rate better than the T-series for which TOT was always being withheld.
oh and btw, how quickly were the T-90's supplied ? the original interest was noted in 1998-99, when did the first tanks arrive ?
The FMBT is very important to carry on the Arjun legacy..And I wont be surprised if India's FMBT is a "lighter tank", of the 45-50 ton class...the lessons in Kanchan armour, electronics, BMS can be utilised there...And DRDO can do nothing better than pro bono say that the manufacturing will be handled by a Tata Motors or M&M....A production run of 1500 tanks would be business of 30k crores (assuming 20 crores/tank)..Enough for the Tatas to acquire even a Mannesmann or a Rhinemtall in case that adds value..
wishful thinking at this point. we are much better off not wasting public money on trying to develop a tank that will not be accepted at the end of the day. the best way would be to disband CVRDE for there is absolutely no hope that IA is going to accept an Indian designed tank.