mody wrote: Rather than rant and rave, why don't you do a simple exercise which would actually add something to the debate - Pen down 10 items which WERE available or would have been available with domestic MIL-IND complex and which would have elevated the shortfall in IA - only if IA had not salivating after the foreign products rather than domestic ones.
1). OFB Bofors clone 155 mm 45-cal gun, available from 2004 onwards.
2). Arjun MBT, available atleast from 2007 onwards if not earlier.
3). DRDO APFSDS rounds, available and further development possible. IA not interested.
4). DRDO 120 mm/88 mm mortars, development not pursued by IA.
5). Follow on assault rifle for INSAS, IA not interested in Indian/DRDO developed solution.
These are just a few that immediately jump out. [/quote]
By making the above post, you've pointed out the main issue of how points are being mixed and completely nonsensical and inane posts are being made. Let me elaborate.
Now, go back to the original debate about Army pointing out deficiencies to Narendra Modi. General Bikram Singh has highlighted the same points as did General VK Singh. The Indian Army has raised two major issues:
(a) Shortage of War Wastage Reserve (WWR) - lesser number of holding of critical equipment like tank and artillery ammunition, anti-tank missiles etc.
(b) Transformation of the army (technological obsolescence) - induction of new generation weapon system like tanks, night fighting equipment for tanks, air-defense system etc.
Of the examples quoted by you, which one would fall under category (a) and which would fall under category (b)? Secondly, just because you've quoted them as examples, does not mean they hold good. But I will skip the part about countering points raised by you. As far as I'm concerned, apart from APFSDS point, none of the other points are valid.
The lack of involvement of IA with DRDO during weapon development is one thing and hold up of procurement of basic and transformation items by MOD/GOI is completely different.
Only a part of transformation of Indian Army (or Services) can and will be met by DRDO. And there are multiple reasons for the same. Time frame of requirement, lack of technology, limited budget etc.
Fact of the matter is bulk of first tranche of transformation required by the IA is going to be met by imports - and IMO, this is not by value but by the sheer number of different items required across the various arms of Indian Army.
Where ever development and delivery of indigenous products has kept reasonable pace with requirement (even accounting for delays), it has been inducted in large numbers. Dhruv ALH, Rudra, confirmed orders for LCH, Akash SAM, Electronic Warfare system, light weight radars in various categories, Pinaka MBRL, Bridge laying equipment etc. - the list is huge. One just needs to scan the pages of DRDO and its affiliate laboratories to see what all has been inducted.
But if you - and others - come back and whine about IA's proclivity for 'imports' being the be-all and end-all argument for delays in transformation of IA and short-fall of equipment, then it nothing but plain intellectual lethargy. Where making sweeping statements suffices to vent your steam and make a point.