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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 28 Jan 2015 09:05

india has generally been lagging behind in propellants compared to state of art...if one looks at range of RAM and essm...

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Pratyush » 28 Jan 2015 09:21

Is the Mk2 rocket compatible with the original launcher vehicle.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby srai » 28 Jan 2015 10:58

Pratyush wrote:Is the Mk2 rocket compatible with the original launcher vehicle.
A Sharma wrote:DRDO Newsletter

On Pinaka2

The rocket incorporates a high performance solid rocket propulsion system and advanced stabiliser system with six flat fin configuration developed by ARDE. The energetic propellant has been developed by High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL), Pune. Pinaka Mk-II uses in-service warheads and fuzes and existing ground systems with minor modifications in Launcher, Loader Cum Replenishment (LCR) vehicle, Replenishment vehicle (RV) and Battery Command Post. Demonstration of the strike capability of Pinaka Mk-II rocket beyond 60 km is a landmark in the field of unguided rocket artillery.

Another milestone was reached when turbo generator- based Electronic Time Fuzes for artillery rockets developed in-house functioned satisfactorily, meeting the designed parameters during the dynamic trials. Flight performance of the entire mission, covering from low range to high range along with turbo generator based ET Fuze was captured by telemetry and tracking radars of PXE and ITR achieving all the mission objectives.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby John » 28 Jan 2015 21:13

Singha wrote:india has generally been lagging behind in propellants compared to state of art...if one looks at range of RAM and essm...


If you compare current generation of missiles' they are quite comparable Singha. ESSM range is similar to Barak-8 and AAD if modified for Anti aircraft purpose should have range in upwards of 150km+.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby member_28932 » 30 Jan 2015 14:54

mody wrote:The original offer for 145 M777 guns increased by about $ 200 million, when the potential order from India got delayed, citing re-start cost of the assembly plant. Wonder how much the guns will now cost, if assembly line doesn't only have to be re-started, but also has to be shifted to India.

The answer actually lies in the news report itself. The offer would probably be valid if we plan to purchase atleast 450 guns, instead of 145 as per the original plan. Offcourse the plant would be used to offer guns to other potential customers around the world, as well, if we plan to buy a minimum of 450 guns.

Good artillery guns seem to be well within the capabilities of DRDO and some of the Indian private sector players. In my opinion, no need to buy any more guns from any foreign company.


Exactly,

and they are bringing manufactured barrels from US to assemble with other parts so we are not getting critical barrel manufacturing technology and metallurgy as well.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby pankajs » 21 Mar 2015 22:00

Sitanshu Kar ‏@SpokespersonMoD Mar 20 New Delhi, Delhi

155-mm artillery guns made by Ordnance Factory Board are at trials stage: Def Min @manoharparrikar

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby member_28990 » 22 Mar 2015 10:59

This is the 155/45 concept right? Wonder what happened to the Kalyani concept.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 22 Mar 2015 12:34

pankajs wrote:
Sitanshu Kar ‏@SpokespersonMoD Mar 20 New Delhi, Delhi

155-mm artillery guns made by Ordnance Factory Board are at trials stage: Def Min @manoharparrikar

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That is top notch dilly dallying. The orders were supposed to be placed in October 2014.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 22 Mar 2015 12:46

Was about to say it. Perhaps another round of winter nd summer trials was ordered.

But with namo on the throne they can whine and paw but
Onlee bajra roti and dal is on menu.

No pizza or steak shall be served.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby pankajs » 22 Mar 2015 13:12

We are fast approaching the 1st anniversary of the this gov taking over. Modi and Parrikar are about done with getting an insiders view of their respective domain.

Things have already started moving with the GOI suggesting HAL to up the production Infra to churn out 16 LCAs per year. Many critical decisions taken and more in the offering. Expect the pace to pick up.

The RM was very clear about goalpost shifting, etc with regards to domestic weapons. Expect him to now start asking the top defense brass and MOD babus tough questions on procurements.

BTW, did anyone notice his war wastage comments. I would suggest folks listen to that comment very carefully. In that innocuous comment is a hint of things to come.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Vipul » 05 Apr 2015 03:53

DRDO exploring possibility of increasing range of Pinaka MBRL.

The Armament and Combat Engineering Cluster wing of DRDO, Pune is exploring the possibility of increasing the range of Pinaka Multi Barrel Rocket Launch System ( MBRL) from 40 km to 60 km, a top official said here today.

"The trials are in the process at the cluster, which will be followed by field based trials," Anil M Datar, the distinguished scientist and ACE Director General told reporters on the sidelines of a graduation day function at the Sri Ramakrishna Engineering College here.

On ongoing projects, Datar said that ACE is engaged in making weapons for the next six to 10 years, considering the technological advancements.
He said ACE was working to get more accuracy to target in guided rockets, even as manual labour is reduced and automation increased.ACE was also in the process of developing a quick launcher portable bridge that can move along with the equipment, Datar said.

Earlier addressing the graduates, Datar said there was a huge gap between defence technology in India and that found worldwide and called for steps to bridge it. Further research was essential for improving existing systems and developing new ones, he said.

Datar stressed the need for educational institutes to impart the latest knowledge to enable young engineers develop technologies for advanced weapons systems to make the nation self reliant in critical defence technology systems.

Any war strategies are directly related to availabilityand efficiency of weapons, he said, adding that in thechanging scenario, global wars
and space wars may become a reality.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Sanjay » 05 Apr 2015 05:11

pankajs, what were his war wastage comments ?

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Neshant » 06 Apr 2015 01:32



Rocket artillery

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby aadiverma » 07 Apr 2015 16:23

Also speaking of the Kalyani product and a tad off topic as a newbie pooch...if memory serves correctly...didn't the BSF also ask for better artillery equipment (i forget if it was on news or newspaper eons ago)..wouldn't this fit into the BSF requirements?

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Nikhil T » 08 Apr 2015 11:42

ET Slideshow: Dhanush - India's 155mm artillery gun in trial stages

The Army wants 414 such guns. They have been upgraded to 45-calibre from the original 39-calibre to give the new howitzer a 38-km range compared to the 30-km of the original Bofors gun.


Both the Army and OFB, in fact, are 'quite excited' about Dhanush, which they claim performs '20-25% better' than the original Bofors gun in virtually all parameters like range, accuracy, consistency, low and high angle of fire and shoot-and-scoot ability.


'Dhanush is around 80% indigenous now. It costs just about Rs 14 crore apiece. Only its APU (auxiliary power unit), electronic dial sights and a few other small items are imported.,' an official has told TOI.


Hope they conclude the trials quickly and start rolling these out like sausages.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Gyan » 08 Apr 2015 17:50

Hope the Services don't do a LCA or Arjun on Dhanush.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby suryag » 09 Apr 2015 00:03

In your dreams guys!! these trials will go on forever

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby member_26622 » 09 Apr 2015 08:47

Back to my old suggestion - 500 155 mm guns to border security force with license to fire at will. Enough to cover all Paki border - fire at first sight of anything living walking across.

Suggest using air burst munitions to limit topography damage- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_burst

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 09 Apr 2015 23:16

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 10 Apr 2015 06:14

If I got a proposal from such a beautiful girl would marry her asap.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby chaitanya » 10 Apr 2015 06:41

Nikhil T wrote:
The Army wants 414 such guns. They have been upgraded to 45-calibre from the original 39-calibre to give the new howitzer a 38-km range compared to the 30-km of the original Bofors gun.



I don't understand why the IA is thinking of such a small order at the beginning, I thought all the aging towed artillery needed to be replaced?

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 10 Apr 2015 06:43

After failure of ulh deal now
Its ulrv circus about to start.

Idrw has report

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby pankajs » 15 Apr 2015 18:49

Bloomberg TV India ‏@BloombergTVInd 7m7 minutes ago

How can SMEs scale up and deliver on @makeinindia? Catch Kalyani Grp Chairman tonight @8.30pm on #InsideIndia w/ @MiniMenon
Kalyanis have done well but they seem to be getting disproportionate airtime these days. Plus they have recently declared setting up new defense facilities in Gujarat.

Are they on the verge of getting a some Atry orders?

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby srai » 16 Apr 2015 03:54

pankajs wrote:
Bloomberg TV India ‏@BloombergTVInd 7m7 minutes ago

How can SMEs scale up and deliver on @makeinindia? Catch Kalyani Grp Chairman tonight @8.30pm on #InsideIndia w/ @MiniMenon
Kalyanis have done well but they seem to be getting disproportionate airtime these days.
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PR is what private companies are good at. They have dedicated sales, marketing and advertising departments that strategize on messaging, promotion and have loads of money to spend at their disposal. Wining, dining and other discrete sales activities of client/media executives are an industry norm too. This is not to take anything from Kalyanis though.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby deejay » 16 Apr 2015 08:26

^^^ What stops PSU's from doing it. They have people for the job.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby pravula » 16 Apr 2015 09:25

deejay wrote:^^^ What stops PSU's from doing it. They have people for the job.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2_Yi-1Ryf4

I think this sums it up well.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 16 Apr 2015 09:55

we need atleast 2 domestic heavy artillery maker (155mm) and 1 domestic (105mm/76mm).
just feeding all the meat to OFB will make for a lazy wolf, secure in the knowledge meat will appear on the plate always.

I think its worth also proofing the GHN45 design and ordering that for atleast 40% of our needs and make it 52cal rather than the dhanush 45cal.
its a bulkier design than the FH77 but in the plains the 52cal will impart a huge range and it will bring kalyani into the ecosystem and develop a umbrella of parts makers.

we operate a zoo of 105mm, 122mm, 130mm, 155m soltam upg to 130mm, fh77......there aint no reason why a duopoly of strong 155mm guns cannot be supported and get rid of the old soviet era pieces all the way down to 105mm.

we need a new 105mm light cannon both towed and 4x4 and defexpo already had a model.

instead of spending our piggy bank on the ^&%$#$# T90, we should be investing in tons of heavy and light artillery....nothing scares people more than good artillery.
in WW2 the american army despite the inferior sherman tank was able to target and beat back german tanks and mech units by pioneering the co-ordinated fire of multiple regiments...the birth pangs of artillery networking and MRSI. and the TSPA artillery is well drilled in these procedures and must have shared the manuals with PLA for sure.

we are setting ourself up for a lot of pain if we think the T90 trooplets are going to solve any problem.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby dinesh_kimar » 18 Apr 2015 09:21

Dear friends,
Some interesting aspects of "the Dhanush journey" from Shri N.K. Sinha of OFB; pg 18 onwards.

http://www.claws.in/images/events%20/pdf/1875165708_Seminarreport_Indigenisation_30April2014.pdf

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby putnanja » 18 Apr 2015 09:42

dinesh_kumar wrote:Dear friends,
Some interesting aspects of "the Dhanush journey" from Shri N.K. Sinha of OFB; pg 18 onwards.

http://www.claws.in/images/events%20/pdf/1875165708_Seminarreport_Indigenisation_30April2014.pdf


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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 18 Apr 2015 09:45

Dgmf and arty directorate should be disbanded

Khal drogo must be hired as komissar to push indic things

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby srai » 21 Apr 2015 07:28

deejay wrote:^^^ What stops PSU's from doing it. They have people for the job.


Good question. Their communication policies need to change and they probably need to bring in outside help.

Anantha Krishnan's (Tarmak007) did his thesis paper on this:
Impact of Corporate Communication on Internal Public -- A Case Study of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL)

ABSTRACT
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The researcher adopted the stratified random sampling technique. A total of 1050 respondents participated in the survey. The research tool was a questionnaire, built in accordance with the objectives of the study. The questionnaire contained 51 questions, 47 closed-ended and four open-ended.

Using the SPSS software, all of the closed-ended questions were analyzed against different demographic variables (age, gender, education, position, and location of the respondent). Every question has corresponding data, but histograms were presented only for the data deemed significant by the various statistical tests conducted as part of this study. The open-ended questions were analyzed separately.

To summarize the findings of the study in one sentence, Corporate Communication—which is composed of both External and Internal Communication--had a significant impact on the employees of HAL.

HAL’s External Communication created a key impact in a number of ways. First, respondents became more aware of HAL’s communication initiatives. Second, respondents’ perception of HAL’s brand value increased. Third, respondents came to believe that business prospects and work conditions would improve with sustained media campaigns. Fourth, respondents noticed a positive change in the media’s attitude towards HAL, and appreciated that HAL’s External Communication had helped to bring that about. Finally, the respondents felt that their social standing among their friends and family had been elevated due to HAL’s increased media visibility.

HAL’s Internal Communication also had a strong positive influence. First, due to the Internal Communication, the respondents felt better-informed. Second, respondents felt more attached to HAL, and took pride in news about the Company’s achievements. Third, the in-house publications created a sense of bonding among respondents, regardless of their job positions or geographical locations. Finally, the respondents felt that the technical information conveyed through the in-house publications was useful to them in the growth of their careers.

The findings of this research can be used as a reference by HAL when it upgrades its Corporate Communication network in the future. The implications of the study can be used by other Defence PSUs and the Ministry of Defence, when they amend their communication policies. The researcher feels that it would be Corporate Communication practitioners and students who would benefit the most from the study, as it brings to light some simple, yet effective, communication tools used in HAL.
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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby VinodTK » 22 Apr 2015 02:43

Modernising artillery to fight future wars
Modernisation of artillery has been neglected for over two decades. This despite the lessons learnt during the Kargil conflict of 1999, in which artillery firepower had undeniably paved the way for victory.

AFTER a decade of neglect under the two UPA regimes, military modernisation appears to be picking up pace again under the new NDA government. The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), headed by interim Defence Minister Arun Jaitley, had approved projects worth Rs 80,000 crore in October 2014. The new Defence Minister, Manohar Parrikar, while chairing his maiden meeting of the DAC on November 22, 2014, cleared the long-pending proposal to acquire 814 truck-mounted guns of 155 mm/ 52-calibre for approximately Rs 15,750 crore. However, the approval merely amounted to “acceptance of necessity” (AON) — the first step in the acquisition process. It will be many years before the first few regiments are equipped with these guns.

Limitations of manoeuvre
Firepower and manoeuvre are generally considered the two complementary sides of the tactics coin. During future conventional conflict on the Indian Sub-continent, large-scale manoeuvre will not be possible in the mountains due to the restrictions imposed by the difficult terrain and in the plains against Pakistan due to the need to avoid escalation to nuclear levels. Hence, India's firepower capabilities need to be enhanced by an order of magnitude, especially in terms of Precision-Guided Munitions (PGMs). This will require substantial upgradation of the firepower capabilities of India's armed forces. Ground-based firepower resources comprising artillery guns, rockets and missiles and aerially-delivered firepower consisting of fighter-bomber aircraft and attack helicopters, both must be qualitatively as well as quantitatively augmented. Similarly, sea-to-land attack capabilities must also be enhanced.

Modernisation of the artillery has been neglected for over two decades, despite the lessons learnt during the Kargil conflict of 1999, in which artillery firepower had undeniably paved the way for victory. Approximately 400 pieces of the 155 mm/39-calibre FH-77B Bofors howitzers were acquired over 25 years ago. Though India paid for the designs, the guns were never manufactured locally as commissions were alleged to have been paid and Bofors brought down a government.

Since then, no new guns or howitzers have been introduced into service. The artillery is now equipped with obsolescent weapons and equipment like the 105 mm Indian Field Gun (IFG) that needs immediate replacement. The artillery also requires large quantities of precision guided munitions (PGMs) for the destruction of hard targets such as tanks and bunkers and a potent real-time reconnaissance, surveillance and target acquisition (RSTA) capability. And, in view of their performance in Afghanistan and Iraq, the time has come to add UCAVs armed with PGMs to the artillery's arsenal. Only then will it be possible to achieve future military objectives, including the destruction of the adversary's war machinery.

Large-scale overhaul
Under the army's Field Artillery Rationalisation Plan (FARP) formulated in 1999, the Regiment of Artillery had decided to standardise the calibre of its guns at 155 mm so as to ensure commonality of ammunition. The artillery plans to acquire a total of 2,820 guns of all types to replace obsolescent guns and to equip the new regiments that will form part of 17 Corps, the Mountain Strike Corps now under raising. The modernisation plan had been stymied by the blacklisting of some firms in the fray. One example is that of the project for the acquisition of 180 pieces of 155mm/52-caliber wheeled self-propelled (SP) guns.

The tender was cancelled after the trials were completed. The contenders included Rheinmetal Defence of Germany and Konstrukta of the Slovak Republic. Fresh tenders were issued and the proposals received are being reviewed. The primary contenders now are the Teckwin 'K-9 Thunder' of Samsung, South Korea and the Russian Rosoboronexport's tracked gun, which is an upgraded 155 mm version of the 152 mm MSTA-S SP Gun.

The single largest artillery acquisition will be of 1,580 pieces of towed 155 mm/52-calibre guns over a period of 12 to 15 years. Of these, 400 guns are to be imported and the remaining 1,180 produced in India with transfer of technology (ToT). Over the last eight to 10 years, several request for proposals that were floated for this project were cancelled due to the corrupt practices being followed by some companies. New tenders were floated for 155 mm/52-calibre long-range guns for the plains and trials have been underway since October 2013. Trials are also reported to be in progress for 100 pieces of self-propelled guns for the desert terrain. 180 pieces of 130 mm M46 Russian guns have been upgraded to 155mm/45-caliber with kits supplied by Soltam of Israel. The maximum range of the gun has gone up from 27.5 to 39 km. Another 300 guns are proposed to be upgraded in due course.

Taking to long to decide

The MoD is also considering the acquisition of 145 pieces of 155 mm/39-calibre M777 howitzers of the US-based MNC BAE Systems for the mountains through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route from the US in a government-to-government deal. However, the deal is reportedly stuck for want of agreement on the offsets obligations and upward revision in the price intimated to Congress by the US government from $647 million to $885 million. Also, as India has taken too long to decide, some of the factories involved in the manufacture of various components of the M777 have begun to close down. If this acquisition falls through, the process will have to begin afresh.

Indigenous efforts to manufacture 155 mm howitzers include that by the Ordnance Factories Board to produce a 45-calibre 155 mm howitzer. This project was initially based on the designs for which Transfer of Technology (ToT) was obtained from Bofors in the 1980s, but has matured into an indigenous design during development.

Technical trials
The DAC approved a proposal from the OFB to manufacture 144 pieces of 155 mm/45-calibre howitzers with the option to acquire another 400 provided the prototypes successfully meet the army's GSQR in user trials. The prototype of the OFB gun is undergoing technical trials. Meanwhile, the DRDO has embarked on its own venture to design and develop a 155 mm howitzer in partnership with a private sector company. The acquisition of 814 truck-mounted guns that has been approved by the Defence Minister recently will be undertaken under the “buy and make in India” category with ToT. While the first 100 guns will be imported, the remaining 714 will be produced in India. The total project cost is estimated to be Rs 15,750 crore.

Several Indian companies are known to be interested in the indigenous design and development of modern artillery systems in conjunction with overseas partners. Bharat Forge (partner Elbit of Israel), Tata Power SED (Denel, South Africa) and L&T (Nexter, France) are likely to bid for this contract when the RfP is issued by the MoD.

Rocket launchers
Progress on the multi-barrel rocket launcher front has been better than that in the acquisition of tube artillery. A contract for the acquisition of two regiments of the 12-tube, 300 mm Smerch multi-barrel rocket launcher (MBRL) system with 90 km range was signed with Russia's Rosoboronexport in early-2006. The BrahMos supersonic cruise missile (Mach 2.8 to 3.0), with a precision strike capability, very high kill energy and maximum range of 290 km, was inducted into the army in July 2007.

These terrain-hugging missiles are virtually immune to counter measures due to their high speed and very low radar cross section. The indigenously designed and manufactured Pinaka multi-barrel rocket system is likely to enter service in the near future. These three weapon systems together will provide a major boost to the artillery's ability to destroy key targets at long ranges. However, a surface-to-surface missile (SSM), with a range of 500-600 km, so that it can be fired from the plains on targets in Tibet, is the missing link in planning for a future war in the mountains.

Counter-bombardment capability
The counter-bombardment capability of the Army also needs to be upgraded. At least about 40 to 50 weapon-locating radars (WLRs) are required for effective counter-bombardment, especially in the plains, but only 12 AN-TPQ 37 Firefinder WLRs have been acquired from Raytheon, USA, under a 2002 contract worth US$200 million. Defence PSU Bharat Electronics Limited is reported to be assembling 28 WLRs.

These radars will be based primarily on indigenous components with very little import content and are likely to be approved for introduction into service after extensive trials that are ongoing. The radar is expected to match the capabilities of the Firefinder system and will have a detection range of about 40 km.

Artillery modernisation must be given a major boost so that the Army's firepower is enhanced quickly to the levels required to ensure victory on future battlefields. In conjunction with aerially delivered firepower, the artillery is the only combat arm that can cause degradation and destruction of the adversary's combat potential and ultimately break his will to fight.

Any further delay in the implementation of artillery modernisation plans will be extremely detrimental to national security interests. If the new projects that are now in the pipeline are pursued vigorously, artillery modernisation will once again begin to gather steam.

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Home grown 155mm 45 Calib Arty Gun Dhanush

Postby member_28990 » 27 Apr 2015 11:33

From Sitanshu Kar, Principal Spokesperson, Ministry of Defence, Government of India, via twitter


With the offset regime in place, OFB is looking towards delivering many sub-systems to leading overseas players:@manoharparrikar

OFB's new role will encompass design, development, bulk production and life cycle support of equipment: @manoharparrikar

OFB is undergoing a paradigm shift from a manufacturer of defence equipment to a complete solution provider: @manoharparrikar

Quality audit of 8 #OFB factories will be undertaken by a globally reputed firm to improve process & quality of products: @manoharparrikar

Ordnance Factory Board will adopt the best practices of a commercial department with a commercial accounting system:@manoharparrikar

Home grown 155mm 45 Calib Arty Gun Dhanush has met all tech parameters in Winter and Summer Trials:@manoharparrikar


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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby sum » 27 Apr 2015 11:53

Home grown 155mm 45 Calib Arty Gun Dhanush has met all tech parameters in Winter and Summer Trials:@manoharparrikar

Maybe next in line is spring and monsoon trials?

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Gyan » 27 Apr 2015 15:58

Will Army move the goal posts or place order for balance 1580-144=1436 Howitzers on OFB?

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby pankajs » 27 Apr 2015 16:14

Frankly Dhanush was only a part of the requirements. So instead of paltry 144 we might see 414. The bulk of the procurement will be a mix of other options.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby mody » 27 Apr 2015 17:33

MoD and IA should finalize and place order for 414 Dhanush and MP should specify to OFB, that the project will be monitored closely and any lapse in the manufacturing or quality control will not go unpunished.

Apart from Dhanush, the upgradation of 300-400 M46 guns, should also be given to OFB. It is well within their scope and they had developed the prototypes for the same. To go along with GCF-Jabalpur and Kanpur OFB etc, the Vehicles factory Jabalpur, should be put under GCF and converted to work on the M46 upgrade project. Ashok Leyland can make all the stallion truck themselves.

The order for 180 nos. of Bhim should also be finalized. Denel is now no longer on the blacklist. Bhim is tested and ready concept. Place the above orders and get the ball rolling on the artillery rationalization project.

The bigger orders for towed and wheeled guns can follow later, once the private players and DRDO have ready prototypes to offer.

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Re: Home grown 155mm 45 Calib Arty Gun Dhanush

Postby Thakur_B » 27 Apr 2015 18:29

maxratul wrote:From Sitanshu Kar, Principal Spokesperson, Ministry of Defence, Government of India, via twitter


With the offset regime in place, OFB is looking towards delivering many sub-systems to leading overseas players:@manoharparrikar

OFB's new role will encompass design, development, bulk production and life cycle support of equipment: @manoharparrikar

OFB is undergoing a paradigm shift from a manufacturer of defence equipment to a complete solution provider: @manoharparrikar

Quality audit of 8 #OFB factories will be undertaken by a globally reputed firm to improve process & quality of products: @manoharparrikar

Ordnance Factory Board will adopt the best practices of a commercial department with a commercial accounting system:@manoharparrikar

Home grown 155mm 45 Calib Arty Gun Dhanush has met all tech parameters in Winter and Summer Trials:@manoharparrikar


Lungi Dance Time?


Silent Lungi dance time indeed. Even minor improvements in quality from OFB will bring huge cheers from the services.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby pragnya » 27 Apr 2015 18:58

great news indeed this.

mody wrote:MoD and IA should finalize and place order for 414 Dhanush and MP should specify to OFB, that the project will be monitored closely and any lapse in the manufacturing or quality control will not go unpunished.


right.

Apart from Dhanush, the upgradation of 300-400 M46 guns, should also be given to OFB. It is well within their scope and they had developed the prototypes for the same. To go along with GCF-Jabalpur and Kanpur OFB etc, the Vehicles factory Jabalpur, should be put under GCF and converted to work on the M46 upgrade project. Ashok Leyland can make all the stallion truck themselves.


according to the info given by the then minister, OFB would be able to produce 24 guns after the first year from 'bulk' clearance. i think it would be better all those non upgraded M46 guns are retired progressively and even the upgraded ones too later. these are long in tooth and must be a maintainence nightmare!! if needed may be the production rate can be jacked up to say 36 or 48/yr so these can be gotten away quickly.

The order for 180 nos. of Bhim should also be finalized. Denel is now no longer on the blacklist. Bhim is tested and ready concept. Place the above orders and get the ball rolling on the artillery rationalization project.

The bigger orders for towed and wheeled guns can follow later, once the private players and DRDO have ready prototypes to offer.


agree with that.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 27 Apr 2015 19:17

pragnya wrote:great news indeed this.

Apart from Dhanush, the upgradation of 300-400 M46 guns, should also be given to OFB. It is well within their scope and they had developed the prototypes for the same. To go along with GCF-Jabalpur and Kanpur OFB etc, the Vehicles factory Jabalpur, should be put under GCF and converted to work on the M46 upgrade project. Ashok Leyland can make all the stallion truck themselves.


according to the info given by the then minister, OFB would be able to produce 24 guns after the first year from 'bulk' clearance. i think it would be better all those non upgraded M46 guns are retired progressively and even the upgraded ones too later. these are long in tooth and must be a maintainence nightmare!! if needed may be the production rate can be jacked up to say 36 or 48/yr so these can be gotten away quickly.


M-46 upgrade should be proving grounds for private sector players. Its easy to slap indigenous label on imported guns like all the private players are doing. Doing low margin upgrade work where you won't have anything left once you pay off your gora "consultants", that's where their inhouse design capabilities will be put to test if they have to remain competitive.


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