Indian Missiles News & Discussions - May 2017

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Postby Aditya_V » 19 Jun 2017 12:17

How does it matter, Cruise or Ballistic Missiles? If China is going to launch Nukes on Vietnam what attacks them.

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Postby Chinmay » 19 Jun 2017 12:31

Aditya_V wrote:How does it matter, Cruise or Ballistic Missiles? If China is going to launch Nukes on Vietnam what attacks them.


Because sinking a PLAN frigate doesn't merit a thermonuclear countervalue response?

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Postby Aditya_V » 19 Jun 2017 12:35

So why would a Ballistic missile hitting any target in China get a Thermonuclear countervalue response. If China is going to Nuke a Non nuclear country why does is matter if a Frigate is hit with a Cruise missile or Airfield hit by a Ballistic Missile?

This discussion is anyway OT.

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Postby ramana » 19 Jun 2017 20:55

PROSPINA is probably an arcane Venkiah Naidu generated type of acronym.
What matters is it works now and finally IGMP can be closed out.

Hope the IA decides to accept the missile and it gets inducted in large numbers.


it really kills the Paki dreams of an armoured riposte.

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Postby Kakarat » 19 Jun 2017 21:41

I think the gov note released on the test called it Nag and not PROSPINA

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Postby kurup » 20 Jun 2017 14:03

sas wrote:Can any one id the missile in this video link close to 19 min mark ?
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/videos/1556612511068860/

TEL is a BEML-TATRA 8x8 VVL
A single tail fin is visible in the video, other than that a conduit is visible in the mid-section of the missile.


Nice find ...... Looks like a missile based on Prithvi but w/o wings or fins ..... could be the Pralay which is said to be based on PDV ....... or worst case , must be just a dummy to test the TEL ..... :mrgreen:

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Postby Yagnasri » 20 Jun 2017 14:35

ramana wrote:
it really kills the Paki dreams of an armoured riposte.


As it is they will be crazy to do it. They will not have air cover and do not have numbers to take any large offensive armoured operations. Minor incursions may be. But Pakis are anything but logical.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby JTull » 21 Jun 2017 12:56

I don't know if anyone noticed that the new LORA (no pun) missile tested by Israel was infact launched from a cargo ship. If you observe the images carefully, it looks a TEL vehicle is parked on the ship.

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Worth considering the consequences if our neighbours decide to equip their cargo ships like that. Similarly, it's high time we start considering how our ABM capabilities can equip a new class of destroyers.

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Postby Chinmay » 21 Jun 2017 16:09

JTull wrote:I don't know if anyone noticed that the new LORA (no pun) missile tested by Israel was infact launched from a cargo ship. If you observe the images carefully, it looks a TEL vehicle is parked on the ship.

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Worth considering the consequences if our neighbours decide to equip their cargo ships like that. Similarly, it's high time we start considering how our ABM capabilities can equip a new class of destroyers.


Won't this open up merchant shipping to pre-emptive strikes, as nobody will know whether a cargo ship contains a missile or not?

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Postby tsarkar » 21 Jun 2017 17:37

^^ Merchant Ships, like aircraft, following well defined shipping lanes. Any ship outside lanes is investigated by Coast Guard.

Secondly, shipping lanes are closed during war via NOTAM, and own mercantile shipping diverted. For example, in 1971, traffic from Bombay was diverted to Cochin with old WW2 vintage Godavari class ships providing escort.

Loading missiles on merchant ships is a bad idea - they don't generate targeting information, nor carry datalinks. Any military standard communication from these ships will be triangulated by ESM.

INAS 310 Cobra Patrol Squadron specializes in Information Warfare since 1990s.

Added later from Transition to Triumph
On 4 December, GODAVARI captured Pakistani merchant ship PASNI and sent her under escort to Cochin. Interrogation of the PASNI's crew indicated that Pakistani merchant ships had been instructed to use the 8 Degree Channel.

In the course of their patrols during the war AMBA, GODAVARI and GANGA interrogated a total of 144 neutral merchant ships for contraband and cleared them as not bound for Pakistan ports.


BTW this discussion can go to Pakistan or International threads - LORA is NOT an Indian missile or has India any interest in it.
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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby shiv » 21 Jun 2017 17:39

What is a LORA mijjile?

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Postby ArjunPandit » 21 Jun 2017 17:51

tsarkar wrote:^^ Merchant Ships, like aircraft, following well defined shipping lanes. Any ship outside lanes is investigated by Coast Guard.

Secondly, shipping lanes are closed during war via NOTAM, and own mercantile shipping diverted. For example, in 1971, traffic from Bombay was diverted to Cochin with old WW2 vintage Godavari class ships providing escort.

Loading missiles on merchant ships is a bad idea - they don't generate targeting information, nor carry datalinks. Any military standard communication from these ships will be triangulated by ESM.

INAS 310 Cobra Patrol Squadron specializes in Information Warfare since 1990s.

Sarkaar sir,
noob pooch,
1. wont that provide higher survivability/stealth for crude Surface to surface missiles and can't data links be added; afterall the data links wont be present in hinterland
2. It might not be a good idea against India, but do pakis have such robust capability and that too say 500 Km from coast and even if they detect do they have rapid interdiction capabilities?

I think In a no holds barred match, it wont be a bad idea actually. Look forward to hear from the ancient (sub)mariner

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Postby tsarkar » 21 Jun 2017 17:53

Arjun, please refer to the updated post, 144 ships interrogated and 1 captured by WW2 vintage destroyers explains the thoroughness of the patrolling.

There will be Israeli Hanit type incidents but our forces have significantly multiplied. The Pakistani "fishing boat" sinking is testimony to the efficiency
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Postby brar_w » 21 Jun 2017 17:56

shiv wrote:What is a LORA mijjile?


Long range fires - SRBM, roughly an ATACMS analogous

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Postby sas » 21 Jun 2017 23:44

kurup wrote:
sas wrote:Can any one id the missile in this video link close to 19 min mark ?
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/videos/1556612511068860/

TEL is a BEML-TATRA 8x8 VVL
A single tail fin is visible in the video, other than that a conduit is visible in the mid-section of the missile.


Nice find ...... Looks like a missile based on Prithvi but w/o wings or fins ..... could be the Pralay which is said to be based on PDV ....... or worst case , must be just a dummy to test the TEL ..... :mrgreen:

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Yeah, even I thought it could be an inert one to test the TEL, but there is a conduit cover assembly covering the entire mid-section and also connecting the aft-section.Also the paint scheme of the missile matches the paint scheme of the TEL.

This mystery green missile, IMO looks like a further derivative based on Prithvi-3 or could be an actual Prithvi-3 itself.

Here is another pic of same Prithvi derivative without large central-fins.
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Picture of dummy Prithvi derivative.
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Dummy in the picture resembles the unknown derivative based on Prithvi.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby sas » 22 Jun 2017 00:28

kurup wrote:
sas wrote:Can any one id the missile in this video link close to 19 min mark ?
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/videos/1556612511068860/

TEL is a BEML-TATRA 8x8 VVL
A single tail fin is visible in the video, other than that a conduit is visible in the mid-section of the missile.


Nice find ...... Looks like a missile based on Prithvi but w/o wings or fins ..... could be the Pralay which is said to be based on PDV ....... or worst case , must be just a dummy to test the TEL ..... :mrgreen:

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^^^^
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Pralay if based on the above 2D-drawing is much sleeker than Prithvi, Pralay is 0.94m in dia and length is almost similar to Prithvi 9.038m.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby ramana » 22 Jun 2017 02:29

LORA is Long Range Missile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORA_(missile)

Israeli missile

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Postby SajeevJino » 22 Jun 2017 12:38

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Our DRDO is master when comes to Ballistic missile ...But almost all based on same base model, we have tons of Ballistic missile series

But what the military need is large number of Cruise missiles, where DRDO not even have single line up for that

DRDO brings whatever model's and whatever number of Ballistic missiles, which is going to see battle in very rare cases only.. But the urgent need of Cruise missile is Big No from them

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Postby jamwal » 22 Jun 2017 13:50

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Postby Akshay Kapoor » 22 Jun 2017 14:17

SajeevJino wrote:.

Our DRDO is master when comes to Ballistic missile ...But almost all based on same base model, we have tons of Ballistic missile series

But what the military need is large number of Cruise missiles, where DRDO not even have single line up for that

DRDO brings whatever model's and whatever number of Ballistic missiles, which is going to see battle in very rare cases only.. But the urgent need of Cruise missile is Big No from them


Yes same base model - long rocket standing up usually white coloured and burning chemical fuel and fire coming from back side. I agree this needs to be changed. Have recommended inter depratumenal committee to look at all aspects of this.

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Postby JayS » 22 Jun 2017 14:26

Akshay Kapoor wrote:
SajeevJino wrote:.

Our DRDO is master when comes to Ballistic missile ...But almost all based on same base model, we have tons of Ballistic missile series

But what the military need is large number of Cruise missiles, where DRDO not even have single line up for that

DRDO brings whatever model's and whatever number of Ballistic missiles, which is going to see battle in very rare cases only.. But the urgent need of Cruise missile is Big No from them


Yes same base model - long rocket standing up usually white coloured and burning chemical fuel and fire coming from back side. I agree this needs to be changed. Have recommended inter depratumenal committee to look at all aspects of this.


LOL.

But on serious note, had GOI given a blank check and a clear mandate on CMs, like they did for BMs, DRDO would have come up with "large number of cruise missiles" by now.

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Postby Akshay Kapoor » 22 Jun 2017 15:34

I agree Jay. I just couldn't resist the comment on 'base model'. Naughty I know. No offence meant Sanjeev.

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Postby JTull » 22 Jun 2017 15:49

JayS wrote:But on serious note, had GOI given a blank check and a clear mandate on CMs, like they did for BMs, DRDO would have come up with "large number of cruise missiles" by now.


Interesting hypothesis!

You've to understand we've taken 30 years from first Prithvi launch to get to where we're on BMs. And, that was when we had a successful SLV program at ISRO. Many of the technologies, manufacturing capabilities, test facilities already existed.

CMs are different beast. We've employed depressed trajectories in Prithvi series and SLBMs, but not a true CM with way-point navigation and variety of altitudes. With Nirbhay. DRDO has found design was easy because of availability of various components (turbo fan, guidance tech, etc), but they've faced system integration challenges. To be honest, it's better to have initial failures so robust processes are put in place earlier. Otherwise, quick success can mask some of the underlying frailties. Scale and scope of our CM programs will grow once these processes are in place and success becomes routine.

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Postby Yagnasri » 22 Jun 2017 16:25

I think we are as of now acquiring capabilities with Nirbhay and once one or two types of such systems mature we may be seeing huge number of various kinds of CMs

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Postby Karan M » 22 Jun 2017 16:59

Brahmos, LCA do way point navigation at different alts. So does Rustom, Nishant. Its not the key issue which is our lack of local seekers and engines, which are now maturing.

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Postby JayS » 23 Jun 2017 08:50

JTull wrote:
JayS wrote:But on serious note, had GOI given a blank check and a clear mandate on CMs, like they did for BMs, DRDO would have come up with "large number of cruise missiles" by now.


Interesting hypothesis!

You've to understand we've taken 30 years from first Prithvi launch to get to where we're on BMs. And, that was when we had a successful SLV program at ISRO. Many of the technologies, manufacturing capabilities, test facilities already existed.

CMs are different beast. We've employed depressed trajectories in Prithvi series and SLBMs, but not a true CM with way-point navigation and variety of altitudes. With Nirbhay. DRDO has found design was easy because of availability of various components (turbo fan, guidance tech, etc), but they've faced system integration challenges. To be honest, it's better to have initial failures so robust processes are put in place earlier. Otherwise, quick success can mask some of the underlying frailties. Scale and scope of our CM programs will grow once these processes are in place and success becomes routine.


I understand the difference in level of tech in BM vs CM saar. It was an oversimplification to start with, to which I replied with oversimplification. But still, my response is valid. CM is not a jinn technology that only peacefuls can have with mercy of Allah and evil yindoos cannot get it however hard they try. Say some country has already achieved certain level in CM tech with an input of "X" efforts, may be evil yindoos will need 2X efforts to reach there, given our lack of proper base in academia, basic RnT and MIC. But I see no damn reason had we put 2X efforts in getting CM tech, why we could not have had best in the world CMs by now. Its a very simple premise. Blank check signifies 'whatever it takes'. Wherever we have gone to that level we have achieved quite good success. Elsewhere we soon falter and look for import. We put 0.01x efforts and expect very first iteration to be world beater. It ain't happening like that. Yes, for sure we should be taking lesser time than some other countries have taken in past, given the general technological advances that we have access to now such as computational tools or improved engineering capabilities across the board. But it will be still significant effort. If US took 3-4 decades to master CM we will not get it in 1 decade, certainly not with 95Cr funding and 4 tests in 6-8yrs.

Akshay Kapoor wrote:I agree Jay. I just couldn't resist the comment on 'base model'. Naughty I know. No offence meant Sanjeev.

My response was not targeted to you. I got your intended meaning. :D

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

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Postby SSridhar » 24 Jun 2017 06:43

Is the above a video from the first separation test that was done on August 31, 2016 ?

We haven't heard much since then on BrahMos-A except during Aero-India 2017 when the BrahMos Chief said that air launch tests would be carried out in the ‘next few months’

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Postby Neela » 26 Jun 2017 18:01

Karan M wrote:Brahmos, LCA do way point navigation at different alts. So does Rustom, Nishant. Its not the key issue which is our lack of local seekers and engines, which are now maturing.

I get confused between Tercom and Waypoint navigation.
And trying to understand which seeker is used and what the related RCI products are .

For way point navigation, a GPS system is needed. What do Rustom, Nishant use? Is a different seeker needed?
For Tercom, you will need a radar/laser altimeter (seeker ? ) to compare with barometric elevation, stored topographical data (from Cartosats) ? What seeker is used here.

PS>
Just some googling led me to this annual report of ESSO-Indian National Centre for Ocean Information Services
4.4 Coastal MHVM (Multi-Hazard Vulnerability
Mapping)
ESSO-INCOIS has taken up the Multi-Hazard Vulnerability Mapping (MHVM) project with an
objective to identify the regions which are most vulnerable to process line changes in the sea
level and shoreline due to several reasons. The vulnerability along the entire coastal belt of the
country was carried out using the parameters such as sea level trend, shoreline change rate,
contours, extreme water level and the return periods. Coastal topography at 0.5 m contour
interval was generated from ALTM (Airborne Laser Altimeter) and Cartosat-1 DTM data
.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby vasu raya » 26 Jun 2017 23:49

why don't they pair up the MKI squad with an LCA for the high altitude extreme low level flying? while using LCA's way point navigation until the MKI crosses the Himalayan mountains. Am referring to the recent MKI crash in Arunachal

Weather and Wind data will take time to be part of the system anyways.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby Karthik S » 26 Jun 2017 23:57

srai wrote:


Aside, that plane sheds 2.5 Tonnes weight but still hardly a jerk up we see happening to other fighters when they drop a bomb. Big sturdy plane.

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Postby Philip » 28 Jun 2017 13:58

Bl**dy impressive! The beast doesn't even move an inch while dropping the missile. What a capability,esp. when BMos-L arrives and a Super S will thne carry 3 missiles. Even now,the MKI could carry the other KH family of ASMs underwing.What is also excellent is the huge space between missile and runway,virtually the same,perhaps a trifle less than the intakes. IL-38 integration was supposedly a problem due to insufficient ground clearance.However,the bird has two internal weapons bays which can hold a variety of weaponry. Perhaps the IN is waiting for the smaller BMos-L to arrive.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby SajeevJino » 28 Jun 2017 14:09

:P

We have no. of Ballistic missile, But I don't think so, they will see combat in case of Chinese or Pakistan or twin front war, Since Ballistic missiles are considered as nuke missiles, So mostly none of them will fire those Ballistic missile, our side not even those Pritivi or Prahaar whatever.

meanwhile we will see barrage of Cruise missile and rocket artillery strike from China, the Rocket artillery's were ranging more than some 120-200 kilometers, in case of war with Pakistan, China won't sit idle but they do ship such long range tube artillery's to Pakistan. meanwhile we have to keep the WAR as conventional only by not firing any ballistic missiles same goes to them too.

whats our answer to counter them is Pinaka and Brahmos

Yet pinaka will not go beyond 120 Km, and Military won't fire the Brahmos in large numbers due to its huge cost, So the need of long range tube artillery is must, question is

why don't DRDO try for increased range of Rocket by making new rocket similar like the size of Smerch (300mm)

Otherside on Cruise missile, Really we need a low cost subsonic cruise missile at the range of some 500-800 kilometers in large numbers, which can be launched from 4 cell land based launchers, to boost our offensive capability little bit harder.

The Air force game also similar case, we are going to buy some hundreds of Strom shadows and we have those Popeyes, yet Saurav Jha quotes today we looks more numbers of Stand off missile

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/879741260034068484

IAF is now fully sold on the need to acquire stand-off strike guided missiles in numbers. Only the indigenous route will be affordable.


DRDO is making something in the name of NGARM, which is for SEAD/DEAD role, by making few changes in the NGARM by adding new seeker may give IAF a good boost for Stand off strike.


PS: please stop cheering for Ballistic missile, as per my knowledge its very hard to see Ballistic missiles seeing combat in our condition, The need is Cruise missiles and long range tube artillery's

bit conspiracy : Do the Russians keeping us stay away from Cruise missile to keep buying the much costlier Brahmos

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby nash » 30 Jun 2017 16:50

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/06 ... ption.html

Seems like Brahmos mini is coming.

First test expected 2021:

air launched and Torpedo tube launched variant.

3 in MKI and maybe 1-2 in Mig-29 and Rafale.

It will certainly give more viability to Mig-29 after 2025

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby Karan M » 30 Jun 2017 17:25

Neela wrote:
Karan M wrote:Brahmos, LCA do way point navigation at different alts. So does Rustom, Nishant. Its not the key issue which is our lack of local seekers and engines, which are now maturing.

I get confused between Tercom and Waypoint navigation.
And trying to understand which seeker is used and what the related RCI products are .

For way point navigation, a GPS system is needed. What do Rustom, Nishant use? Is a different seeker needed?
For Tercom, you will need a radar/laser altimeter (seeker ? ) to compare with barometric elevation, stored topographical data (from Cartosats) ? What seeker is used here.

PS>
Just some googling led me to this annual report of ESSO-Indian National Centre for Ocean Information Services
4.4 Coastal MHVM (Multi-Hazard Vulnerability
Mapping)
ESSO-INCOIS has taken up the Multi-Hazard Vulnerability Mapping (MHVM) project with an
objective to identify the regions which are most vulnerable to process line changes in the sea
level and shoreline due to several reasons. The vulnerability along the entire coastal belt of the
country was carried out using the parameters such as sea level trend, shoreline change rate,
contours, extreme water level and the return periods. Coastal topography at 0.5 m contour
interval was generated from ALTM (Airborne Laser Altimeter) and Cartosat-1 DTM data
.


Hi Neela sir,
Seekers are in development for both Nirbhay & Brahmos, we don't have any yet.
Way point navigation - i.e. moving from predetermined point to the next, as a means of methodically navigating has been done with Rustom, Nishant, and of course we have experience with aircraft too which can be preloaded with coordinates & NAL was working on a LCA autopilot (for Jaguars we got them from France)
TERCOM - at this point I am not certain whether we have that capability demonstrated or inducted in any of our missiles, though it may well be on Nirbhay.
For radar altimeter locked guidance, look no further than Trishul, which constantly demonstrated its capability to sea skim (in order to defeat other sea skimmers).
Our advances in compact guidance and nav packages are occurring, for instance Akash to Astra (latter has a very compact package) and similar stuff is being used for SAAW and other RCI programs.
In my view, the seeker & propulsion are the two main areas where India needs to get items out of the door. Seeker significant progress. Propulsion, its still wait & watch. HAL has some programs, so do NAL & GTRE. HAL's QA for its inhouse engines needs to be validated. Their engine for Lakshya was developed but stumbled there on QA & lack of HAL support for really fixing it.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby Neela » 30 Jun 2017 17:58

Karan M wrote:
Hi Neela sir,
Seekers are in development for both Nirbhay & Brahmos, we don't have any yet.
Way point navigation - i.e. moving from predetermined point to the next, as a means of methodically navigating has been done with Rustom, Nishant, and of course we have experience with aircraft too which can be preloaded with coordinates & NAL was working on a LCA autopilot (for Jaguars we got them from France)
TERCOM - at this point I am not certain whether we have that capability demonstrated or inducted in any of our missiles, though it may well be on Nirbhay.
For radar altimeter locked guidance, look no further than Trishul, which constantly demonstrated its capability to sea skim (in order to defeat other sea skimmers).
Our advances in compact guidance and nav packages are occurring, for instance Akash to Astra (latter has a very compact package) and similar stuff is being used for SAAW and other RCI programs.
In my view, the seeker & propulsion are the two main areas where India needs to get items out of the door. Seeker significant progress. Propulsion, its still wait & watch. HAL has some programs, so do NAL & GTRE. HAL's QA for its inhouse engines needs to be validated. Their engine for Lakshya was developed but stumbled there on QA & lack of HAL support for really fixing it.


Thanks Karan for taking the time.
In the meantime , I have checked this from DRDO Techfocus . Wealth of info and confirms waypoint navigation on Nishant and Rustom.

I thought PTAE-7 was all ok . They are moving to bigger ones in HTFE and HTSE. Hope they iron out issues.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby SSridhar » 30 Jun 2017 18:51

nash wrote:https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/06/the-iaf-wants-a-3-x-brahmos-load-out-option.html

From the above,
. . . . one of two modified IAF Su-30 MKIs will test-fire a BrahMos-A from its belly hardpoint for the first time next month against a ship target in the Bay of Bengal.

Great news. Look out for Notam guys.

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby Nitesh » 30 Jun 2017 21:33

From the above article:
Given the stand-off posture an air-launched BrahMos will have with its 300 km range (to be extended progressively to over 900 km), a three-weapon loadout option is an sharp leg up for mission flexibility and planning.

Current BrhaMos is capable of 900km range? Or only air version will be capable of this? Or it is a typo

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby Karthik S » 30 Jun 2017 21:37

Any info about Nirbhay?

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Re: Indian Missiles News and Discussions-May 2017

Postby DrRatnadip » 30 Jun 2017 23:13

http://idrw.org/brahmos-slcm-will-be-st ... es-report/

BrohMos SLCM will be standard weapon in project 75i..


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